Obama expresses sympathy for victims but no apology in Hiroshima

[gipper]

Was the Emperor ready to surrender? Absolutely not, even after the Potsdam Declaration in July of 45, the Emperor decided it would not capitulate. When they refused to surrender the bombs were dropped. Finally, shortly after the second bomb drop, on Aug 15, 1945 Emperor Hirohito then surrendered.

The reason for this was FDR's murderous unconditional surrender policy.

And besides, do you think civilians deserve destruction because their emperor is nuts?

The reason for this was FDR's murderous unconditional surrender policy.

And besides, do you think civilians deserve destruction because their emperor is nuts?

 

[Contumacious]

Was the Emperor ready to surrender? Absolutely not, even after the Potsdam Declaration in July of 45, the Emperor decided it would not capitulate. When they refused to surrender the bombs were dropped. Finally, shortly after the second bomb drop, on Aug 15, 1945 Emperor Hirohito then surrendered.

The reason for this was FDR's murderous unconditional surrender policy.

And besides, do you think civilians deserve destruction because their emperor is nuts?

The reason for this was FDR's murderous unconditional surrender policy.

And besides, do you think civilians deserve destruction because their emperor is nuts?

Hirohito may have been nuts.

But FDR worsened the condition when he froze Japanese assets and would not allow oil companies to sell them petroleum BEFORE the Peal Harbor attack. An Act of War indeed.

 

[BluesLegend]

"How easily we learn to justify violence in the name of some higher cause." What utter bullshit. They attacked and killed thousands of American citizens so we kicked the living shit out of them. They are lucky we didn't fire bomb their whole damn island those assholes killed millions of people. Hiroshima, an example of what savages get when they **** with America!

He is right but NO APOLOGY LIARS!

Righties go with the old nazi propaganda. "If u say a lie enough , it becomes the truth ."

They can't quote any apology because obama hasn't apologized .

Projection ^^^ of epic proportions.

How about an example of one of these "apologies ".

He apologized for being a lying filth liberal, oh wait no were still waiting for that one.

 

[depotoo]

After Japan ordered China's principal supply road closed. You do not seem to know it was only high octane aviation oil that was sanctioned-NOT all oil/petroleum. There was a legitimate reason for that.

Was the Emperor ready to surrender? Absolutely not, even after the Potsdam Declaration in July of 45, the Emperor decided it would not capitulate. When they refused to surrender the bombs were dropped. Finally, shortly after the second bomb drop, on Aug 15, 1945 Emperor Hirohito then surrendered.

The reason for this was FDR's murderous unconditional surrender policy.

And besides, do you think civilians deserve destruction because their emperor is nuts?

The reason for this was FDR's murderous unconditional surrender policy.

And besides, do you think civilians deserve destruction because their emperor is nuts?

Hirohito may have been nuts.

But FDR worsened the condition when he froze Japanese assets and would not allow oil companies to sell them petroleum BEFORE the Peal Harbor attack. An Act of War indeed.

 

[gipper]

Was the Emperor ready to surrender? Absolutely not, even after the Potsdam Declaration in July of 45, the Emperor decided it would not capitulate. When they refused to surrender the bombs were dropped. Finally, shortly after the second bomb drop, on Aug 15, 1945 Emperor Hirohito then surrendered.

The reason for this was FDR's murderous unconditional surrender policy.

And besides, do you think civilians deserve destruction because their emperor is nuts?

The reason for this was FDR's murderous unconditional surrender policy.

And besides, do you think civilians deserve destruction because their emperor is nuts?

Hirohito may have been nuts.

But FDR worsened the condition when he froze Japanese assets and would not allow oil companies to sell them petroleum BEFORE the Peal Harbor attack. An Act of War indeed.

Yes it is clear FDR did his best to get the Japanese to start the war. His actions before Pearl Harbor clearly indicate his intentions, yet few Americans know what he did. It is also likely he knew beforehand that they would attack Pearl and he warned no one.

Politicians are the worst among us.

 

[JimH52]

"How easily we learn to justify violence in the name of some higher cause." What utter bullshit. They attacked and killed thousands of American citizens so we kicked the living shit out of them. They are lucky we didn't fire bomb their whole damn island those assholes killed millions of people. Hiroshima, an example of what savages get when they **** with America!

He is right but NO APOLOGY LIARS!

Righties go with the old nazi propaganda. "If u say a lie enough , it becomes the truth ."

They can't quote any apology because obama hasn't apologized .

Projection ^^^ of epic proportions.

How about an example of one of these "apologies ".

He apologized for being a lying filth liberal, oh wait no were still waiting for that one.

LIAR!

 

[BluesLegend]

He is right but NO APOLOGY LIARS!

Righties go with the old nazi propaganda. "If u say a lie enough , it becomes the truth ."

They can't quote any apology because obama hasn't apologized .

Projection ^^^ of epic proportions.

How about an example of one of these "apologies ".

He apologized for being a lying filth liberal, oh wait no were still waiting for that one.

LIAR!

LOL your losing it, go watch your soaps and try to calm down.

 

[JimH52]

Righties go with the old nazi propaganda. "If u say a lie enough , it becomes the truth ."

They can't quote any apology because obama hasn't apologized .

Projection ^^^ of epic proportions.

How about an example of one of these "apologies ".

He apologized for being a lying filth liberal, oh wait no were still waiting for that one.

LIAR!

LOL your losing it, go watch your soaps and try to calm down.

Admit you are a Liar.

 

[BluesLegend]

Projection ^^^ of epic proportions.

How about an example of one of these "apologies ".

He apologized for being a lying filth liberal, oh wait no were still waiting for that one.

LIAR!

LOL your losing it, go watch your soaps and try to calm down.

Admit you are a Liar.

LOL Since you insist on being a jackass let me just ban you to the ignore lounge, later fool.

 

[Contumacious]

After Japan ordered China's principal supply road closed. You do not seem to know it was only high octane aviation oil that was sanctioned-NOT all oil/petroleum. There was a legitimate reason for that.

Was the Emperor ready to surrender? Absolutely not, even after the Potsdam Declaration in July of 45, the Emperor decided it would not capitulate. When they refused to surrender the bombs were dropped. Finally, shortly after the second bomb drop, on Aug 15, 1945 Emperor Hirohito then surrendered.

The reason for this was FDR's murderous unconditional surrender policy.

And besides, do you think civilians deserve destruction because their emperor is nuts?

The reason for this was FDR's murderous unconditional surrender policy.

And besides, do you think civilians deserve destruction because their emperor is nuts?

Hirohito may have been nuts.

But FDR worsened the condition when he froze Japanese assets and would not allow oil companies to sell them petroleum BEFORE the Peal Harbor attack. An Act of War indeed.

How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan’s Attack on Pearl Harbor

Roosevelt hoped that such sanctions would goad the Japanese into making a rash mistake by launching a war against the United States, which would bring in Germany because Japan and Germany were allied.

Accordingly, the Roosevelt administration, while curtly dismissing Japanese diplomatic overtures to harmonize relations, imposed a series of increasingly stringent economic sanctions on Japan. In 1939 the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty with Japan. “On July 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materials.” Under this authority, “[o]n July 31, exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restricted.” Next, in a move aimed at Japan, Roosevelt slapped an embargo, effective October 16, “on all exports of scrap iron and steel to destinations other than Britain and the nations of the Western Hemisphere.” Finally, on July 26, 1941, Roosevelt “froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus bringing commercial relations between the nations to an effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan.”[2] The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia"

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[gipper]

After Japan ordered China's principal supply road closed. You do not seem to know it was only high octane aviation oil that was sanctioned-NOT all oil/petroleum. There was a legitimate reason for that.

Was the Emperor ready to surrender? Absolutely not, even after the Potsdam Declaration in July of 45, the Emperor decided it would not capitulate. When they refused to surrender the bombs were dropped. Finally, shortly after the second bomb drop, on Aug 15, 1945 Emperor Hirohito then surrendered.

The reason for this was FDR's murderous unconditional surrender policy.

And besides, do you think civilians deserve destruction because their emperor is nuts?

Hirohito may have been nuts.

But FDR worsened the condition when he froze Japanese assets and would not allow oil companies to sell them petroleum BEFORE the Peal Harbor attack. An Act of War indeed.

How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan’s Attack on Pearl Harbor

Roosevelt hoped that such sanctions would goad the Japanese into making a rash mistake by launching a war against the United States, which would bring in Germany because Japan and Germany were allied.

Accordingly, the Roosevelt administration, while curtly dismissing Japanese diplomatic overtures to harmonize relations, imposed a series of increasingly stringent economic sanctions on Japan. In 1939 the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty with Japan. “On July 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materials.” Under this authority, “[o]n July 31, exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restricted.” Next, in a move aimed at Japan, Roosevelt slapped an embargo, effective October 16, “on all exports of scrap iron and steel to destinations other than Britain and the nations of the Western Hemisphere.” Finally, on July 26, 1941, Roosevelt “froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus bringing commercial relations between the nations to an effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan.”[2] The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia"

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From the article you posted...
Roosevelt and his subordinates knew they were putting Japan in an untenable position and that the Japanese government might well try to escape the stranglehold by going to war. Having broken the Japanese diplomatic code, the Americans knew, among many other things, what Foreign Minister Teijiro Toyoda had communicated to Ambassador Kichisaburo Nomura on July 31: “Commercial and economic relations between Japan and third countries, led by England and the United States, are gradually becoming so horribly strained that we cannot endure it much longer. Consequently, our Empire, to save its very life, must take measures to secure the raw materials of the South Seas.”[3]

Because American cryptographers had also broken the Japanese naval code, the leaders in Washington knew as well that Japan’s “measures” would include an attack on Pearl Harbor.[4] Yet they withheld this critical information from the commanders in Hawaii, who might have headed off the attack or prepared themselves to defend against it. That Roosevelt and his chieftains did not ring the tocsin makes perfect sense: after all, the impending attack constituted precisely what they had been seeking for a long time. As Stimson confided to his diary after a meeting of the war cabinet on November 25, “The question was how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.”[5] After the attack, Stimson confessed that “my first feeling was of relief ... that a crisis had come in a way which would unite all our people.




Now...that is the unknown and untold truth, which most Americans are completely clueless of. FDR did all he could to position Japan to attack. He knew the attack was coming before it occurred and set up our armed forces for death and destruction at Pearl Harbor. He was a traitor.

 

[Contumacious]

After Japan ordered China's principal supply road closed. You do not seem to know it was only high octane aviation oil that was sanctioned-NOT all oil/petroleum. There was a legitimate reason for that.

Was the Emperor ready to surrender? Absolutely not, even after the Potsdam Declaration in July of 45, the Emperor decided it would not capitulate. When they refused to surrender the bombs were dropped. Finally, shortly after the second bomb drop, on Aug 15, 1945 Emperor Hirohito then surrendered.

The reason for this was FDR's murderous unconditional surrender policy.

And besides, do you think civilians deserve destruction because their emperor is nuts?

Hirohito may have been nuts.

But FDR worsened the condition when he froze Japanese assets and would not allow oil companies to sell them petroleum BEFORE the Peal Harbor attack. An Act of War indeed.

How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan’s Attack on Pearl Harbor

Roosevelt hoped that such sanctions would goad the Japanese into making a rash mistake by launching a war against the United States, which would bring in Germany because Japan and Germany were allied.

Accordingly, the Roosevelt administration, while curtly dismissing Japanese diplomatic overtures to harmonize relations, imposed a series of increasingly stringent economic sanctions on Japan. In 1939 the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty with Japan. “On July 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materials.” Under this authority, “[o]n July 31, exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restricted.” Next, in a move aimed at Japan, Roosevelt slapped an embargo, effective October 16, “on all exports of scrap iron and steel to destinations other than Britain and the nations of the Western Hemisphere.” Finally, on July 26, 1941, Roosevelt “froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus bringing commercial relations between the nations to an effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan.”[2] The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia"

.

From the article you posted...
Roosevelt and his subordinates knew they were putting Japan in an untenable position and that the Japanese government might well try to escape the stranglehold by going to war. Having broken the Japanese diplomatic code, the Americans knew, among many other things, what Foreign Minister Teijiro Toyoda had communicated to Ambassador Kichisaburo Nomura on July 31: “Commercial and economic relations between Japan and third countries, led by England and the United States, are gradually becoming so horribly strained that we cannot endure it much longer. Consequently, our Empire, to save its very life, must take measures to secure the raw materials of the South Seas.”[3]

Because American cryptographers had also broken the Japanese naval code, the leaders in Washington knew as well that Japan’s “measures” would include an attack on Pearl Harbor.[4] Yet they withheld this critical information from the commanders in Hawaii, who might have headed off the attack or prepared themselves to defend against it. That Roosevelt and his chieftains did not ring the tocsin makes perfect sense: after all, the impending attack constituted precisely what they had been seeking for a long time. As Stimson confided to his diary after a meeting of the war cabinet on November 25, “The question was how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.”[5] After the attack, Stimson confessed that “my first feeling was of relief ... that a crisis had come in a way which would unite all our people.




Now...that is the unknown and untold truth, which most Americans are completely clueless of. FDR did all he could to position Japan to attack. He knew the attack was coming before it occurred and set up our armed forces for death and destruction at Pearl Harbor. He was a traitor.

Yes , indeed he was and Americans are clueless.

 

[Deleted member 53821]

Why would Obama do this on memorial day? Think about it for a moment. If he really wanted to express sympathy for the roasted japs then he would choose some other day. A day more significant to the Japanese. He would not have chosen a day significant to American veterans.

 

[Unkotare]

Was the Emperor ready to surrender? Absolutely not, even after the Potsdam Declaration in July of 45, the Emperor decided it would not capitulate. When they refused to surrender the bombs were dropped. Finally, shortly after the second bomb drop, on Aug 15, 1945 Emperor Hirohito then surrendered.

Problem with that is the truth. The truth is Japan had been trying to surrender for nearly two years, but thanks to FDR's murderous policy of unconditional surrender, thousands died unnecessarily. By August 1945, Japan was completely finished and unable to defend itself. There was no need to drop those bombs...well no logical reason. Truman did it over the objections of many American leaders to impress Stalin, and because he was a terrible racist.

They wanted to surrender on their terms and the Allies weren't having it.

And lest we forget we were looking at nearly 1.5 million American casualties alone (and Japanese leaders considered 10 million Japanese civilian casualties a low number) in the event of the invasion kicking off.

Sure the Soviets got a light show, but the primary concern was ending the war before Operation Olympic if at all possible.

Your reasoning is poor.

First, all the Japanese asked for by early 1945 was that the Americans NOT harm the emperor...that is their only condition...which Truman agreed to after he incinerated thousands of innocent people.

Second, it is total propaganda that an invasion would have resulted in the huge death tolls Truman tried to claim...after he incinerated all those innocent civilians. Japan was starving and most of their fighting men were either dead or not in the home islands. They have nothing to fight with, unless you think pitch forks are effective against the world's best military.

Third, there is no need to invade. Why did we need to occupy Japan? It is utterly ignorant.

The Japanese were training civilians on how to attack landing craft and tanks with suicide bombs. And that's not counting the Japanese troops in the home islands (About 4 million uniformed troops). They may have been starving, but the Japanese were looking at a last stand.

There was no need to invade. Japan was done. The US military controlled the sea and air over the entire nation. So, your post in meaningless and mostly just might to deceive.

Ignored Japanese Peace Bids Plague U. S., West, with What Might Have Been (August 14, 1965)

 

[Unkotare]

MILITARY VIEWS About Dropping the Atomic Bomb

 

[depotoo]

They were ignored for a reason. The US was intercepting transmissions between Russia and Japan, stating their desire to join forces to fight Britain and the US., while falsely offering surrender overtures.

Was the Emperor ready to surrender? Absolutely not, even after the Potsdam Declaration in July of 45, the Emperor decided it would not capitulate. When they refused to surrender the bombs were dropped. Finally, shortly after the second bomb drop, on Aug 15, 1945 Emperor Hirohito then surrendered.

They wanted to surrender on their terms and the Allies weren't having it.

And lest we forget we were looking at nearly 1.5 million American casualties alone (and Japanese leaders considered 10 million Japanese civilian casualties a low number) in the event of the invasion kicking off.

Sure the Soviets got a light show, but the primary concern was ending the war before Operation Olympic if at all possible.

Your reasoning is poor.

First, all the Japanese asked for by early 1945 was that the Americans NOT harm the emperor...that is their only condition...which Truman agreed to after he incinerated thousands of innocent people.

Second, it is total propaganda that an invasion would have resulted in the huge death tolls Truman tried to claim...after he incinerated all those innocent civilians. Japan was starving and most of their fighting men were either dead or not in the home islands. They have nothing to fight with, unless you think pitch forks are effective against the world's best military.

Third, there is no need to invade. Why did we need to occupy Japan? It is utterly ignorant.

The Japanese were training civilians on how to attack landing craft and tanks with suicide bombs. And that's not counting the Japanese troops in the home islands (About 4 million uniformed troops). They may have been starving, but the Japanese were looking at a last stand.

There was no need to invade. Japan was done. The US military controlled the sea and air over the entire nation. So, your post in meaningless and mostly just might to deceive.

Ignored Japanese Peace Bids Plague U. S., West, with What Might Have Been (August 14, 1965)

 

[Unkotare]

They were ignored for a reason. The US was intercepting transmissions between Russia and Japan, stating their desire to join forces to fight Britain and the US., while falsely offering surrender overtures.....

link?

 

[my2¢]

Why would Obama apologize? The plane used was Gay.

 

[Contumacious]

They were ignored for a reason. The US was intercepting transmissions between Russia and Japan, stating their desire to join forces to fight Britain and the US., while falsely offering surrender overtures.

Was the Emperor ready to surrender? Absolutely not, even after the Potsdam Declaration in July of 45, the Emperor decided it would not capitulate. When they refused to surrender the bombs were dropped. Finally, shortly after the second bomb drop, on Aug 15, 1945 Emperor Hirohito then surrendered.

Your reasoning is poor.

First, all the Japanese asked for by early 1945 was that the Americans NOT harm the emperor...that is their only condition...which Truman agreed to after he incinerated thousands of innocent people.

Second, it is total propaganda that an invasion would have resulted in the huge death tolls Truman tried to claim...after he incinerated all those innocent civilians. Japan was starving and most of their fighting men were either dead or not in the home islands. They have nothing to fight with, unless you think pitch forks are effective against the world's best military.

Third, there is no need to invade. Why did we need to occupy Japan? It is utterly ignorant.

The Japanese were training civilians on how to attack landing craft and tanks with suicide bombs. And that's not counting the Japanese troops in the home islands (About 4 million uniformed troops). They may have been starving, but the Japanese were looking at a last stand.

There was no need to invade. Japan was done. The US military controlled the sea and air over the entire nation. So, your post in meaningless and mostly just might to deceive.

Ignored Japanese Peace Bids Plague U. S., West, with What Might Have Been (August 14, 1965)

BULLSHIT


Japan Tried To Surrender
After Midway Defeat


Peace feelers continued through '42, '43 and '44, when the blood was really flowing in the Pacific. They tried through the Soviets, the British and the Siamese. Marshall would not consider anything but Unconditional Surrender, knowing the Japanese would not give up Hirohito to the hangman, which didn't happen anyway. But this was always threatened, deliberately driving the Japanese to desperate acts to protect their god-leader. All well understood by the psychiatrists in FDR's gang. Even after Okinawa, Marshall said the desperate attempts at surrender were "premature." Going through the list of terrible battles in the Pacific while the Japanese were frantically attempting to end the war is mind-numbing.

 

[ogibillm]

"How easily we learn to justify violence in the name of some higher cause." What utter bullshit. They attacked and killed thousands of American citizens so we kicked the living shit out of them. They are lucky we didn't fire bomb their whole damn island those assholes killed millions of people. Hiroshima, an example of what savages get when they **** with America!

You're a dumbass if you believe that was what he meant