OBAMA Does anyone really believe a word he says anymore?

[frigidweirdo]

What chemical weapons did the US use in Vietnam?

The name's Orange, James Orange. Well doesn't quite have the same ring to it as Agent Orange.

Agent Orange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The 2,4,5-T used to produce Agent Orange was contaminated with 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzodioxin (TCDD), an extremely toxic dioxin compound. In some areas, TCDD concentrations in soil and water were hundreds of times greater than the levels considered safe by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency."

"U.S., British, and other Allied authorities officially stated that the use of herbicides and defoliants in warfare were not carried out in forms of chlorine, mustard, nerve, and sarin gases (all which were classified as chemical weapons). Rather, these substances were considered extremely harmless to human life and were mainly used in both Malaya and Vietnam to defoliate plants to deprive the enemy of cover or concealment so as to protect Allied troops from ambushes and/or expose their lines of communication to Allied reconnaissance aircraft and not as a weapon of war against human populations and human-made structures. Therefore, Agent Orange fall under the category of herbicidal warfare, not chemical warfare."

They claimed it wasn't chemical warfare.

"Many experts at the time, including Arthur Galston, the biologist who developed and intensively studied 2,4,5-T and TCDD, opposed herbicidal warfare, due to concerns about the side effects to humans and the environment by indiscriminately spraying the chemical over a wide area. As early as 1966, resolutions were introduced to the United Nations charging that the U.S. was violating the 1925 Geneva Protocol, which regulated the use of chemical and biological weapons. The U.S. defeated most of the resolutions,[40][62] arguing that Agent Orange was not a chemical or a biological weapon as it was considered a herbicide and a defoliant and it was used in effort to destroy plant crops to deprive the enemy of cover and not meant to target human beings. A weapon, by definition, is any device used to injure, defeat, or destroy living beings, structures, or systems, and Agent Orange did not qualify under that definition. It also argued that if the U.S. were to be charged for using Agent Orange, then Britain and its Commonwealth nations should be charged since they also used it widely during the Malayan Emergency in the 1950s"

 

[frigidweirdo]

Good Lord! Dumb is everywhere on the left!

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334#.U0fiT9-etc8

The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aunacceptable sourceid its nuclear ambitions.

What's now left is the final and complicated push to clean up the remaining radioactive debris at the former Tuwaitha nuclear complex about 12 miles south of Baghdad — using teams that include Iraqi experts recently trained in the Chernobyl fallout zone in Ukraine.
"Everyone is very happy to have this safely out of Iraq," said a senior U.S. official who outlined the nearly three-month operation to The Associated Press. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment.

The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium producer, Cameco Corp., in a transaction the official described as worth "tens of millions of dollars." A Cameco spokesman, Lyle Krahn, declined to discuss the price, but said the yellowcake will be processed at facilities in Ontario for use in energy-producing reactors.

"We are pleased ... that we have taken (the yellowcake) from a volatile region into a stable area to produce clean electricity," he said.

What is it you think I'm arguing here?

This isn't about whether there were WMDs or not. This is about whether Bush lied.
Now, it doesn't matter whether they found yellowcake or not, Bush didn't know what he was saying when he said it. He didn't know if Iraq had WMDs or not. So, when he said Saddam had them, was he speaking from what he knew, or was he making it up?

Also, the Yellowcake could merely have been used for a nuclear power program, or perhaps for nuclear weapons. Most countries who fear the US want to get a nuclear bomb to defend themselves, rather than to attack.

Now, what did Saddam have?

"While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. "

He didn't have a WMD. He had material that could have been used for something down the line, but no Weapon of Mass Destruction was found in Iraq. Just material that could have been used for that or for something else.

 

[Vigilante]

Good Lord! Dumb is everywhere on the left!

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334#.U0fiT9-etc8

The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aunacceptable sourceid its nuclear ambitions.

What's now left is the final and complicated push to clean up the remaining radioactive debris at the former Tuwaitha nuclear complex about 12 miles south of Baghdad — using teams that include Iraqi experts recently trained in the Chernobyl fallout zone in Ukraine.
"Everyone is very happy to have this safely out of Iraq," said a senior U.S. official who outlined the nearly three-month operation to The Associated Press. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment.

The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium producer, Cameco Corp., in a transaction the official described as worth "tens of millions of dollars." A Cameco spokesman, Lyle Krahn, declined to discuss the price, but said the yellowcake will be processed at facilities in Ontario for use in energy-producing reactors.

"We are pleased ... that we have taken (the yellowcake) from a volatile region into a stable area to produce clean electricity," he said.

What is it you think I'm arguing here?

This isn't about whether there were WMDs or not. This is about whether Bush lied.
Now, it doesn't matter whether they found yellowcake or not, Bush didn't know what he was saying when he said it. He didn't know if Iraq had WMDs or not. So, when he said Saddam had them, was he speaking from what he knew, or was he making it up?

Also, the Yellowcake could merely have been used for a nuclear power program, or perhaps for nuclear weapons. Most countries who fear the US want to get a nuclear bomb to defend themselves, rather than to attack.

Now, what did Saddam have?

"While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. "

He didn't have a WMD. He had material that could have been used for something down the line, but no Weapon of Mass Destruction was found in Iraq. Just material that could have been used for that or for something else.

Of course he knew that WMD was in Iraq. The WORLD KNEW as the U.N. was GUARDING the 550 METRIC TONS of Yellow Cake!!!

And the loony lefts BIG mantra is Bush Lied about WMD...were you even sperm when that happened? You deny that Yellow Cake isn't the necessary ingredient for a nuclear bomb? Is that why all the personnel that shipped that WMD to Canada wore full protective coverings to do it? I know you people get caught up in spin and lies, but when, even NBC News states as such, it's not believed....You idiots have a suspension of reality!

 

[frigidweirdo]

Of course he knew that WMD was in Iraq. The WORLD KNEW as the U.N. was GUARDING the 550 METRIC TONS of Yellow Cake!!!

And the loony lefts BIG mantra is Bush Lied about WMD...were you even sperm when that happened? You deny that Yellow Cake isn't the necessary ingredient for a nuclear bomb? Is that why all the personnel that shipped that WMD to Canada wore full protective coverings to do it? I know you people get caught up in spin and lies, but when, even NBC News states as such, it's not believed....You idiots have a suspension of reality!

So in 2003, before the invasion if Iraq, the UN was guarding this material?

I'm not denying it isn't a necessary ingredient. I'm saying in the form they found it in, it ISN'T A WMD.

They wore protective clothing, because that's what people do when they carry this stuff around. However your own source, with a quote YOU QUOTED, said "While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. "

Now, why would you quote this, then claim that it's a WMD? Doesn't make sense.

So what suspension of reality do I have?

Bush said Saddam had WMDs. At the time he didn't know, he lied.

At the time he went looking for a reason to invade Iraq. Why did he want to invade Iraq then? It wasn't for the WMDs. They found this reason for him AFTER he decided he wanted to invade.

So what was it, and why didn't he tell people this reason?

 

[Vigilante]

Of course he knew that WMD was in Iraq. The WORLD KNEW as the U.N. was GUARDING the 550 METRIC TONS of Yellow Cake!!!

And the loony lefts BIG mantra is Bush Lied about WMD...were you even sperm when that happened? You deny that Yellow Cake isn't the necessary ingredient for a nuclear bomb? Is that why all the personnel that shipped that WMD to Canada wore full protective coverings to do it? I know you people get caught up in spin and lies, but when, even NBC News states as such, it's not believed....You idiots have a suspension of reality!

So in 2003, before the invasion if Iraq, the UN was guarding this material?

I'm not denying it isn't a necessary ingredient. I'm saying in the form they found it in, it ISN'T A WMD.

They wore protective clothing, because that's what people do when they carry this stuff around. However your own source, with a quote YOU QUOTED, said "While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. "

Now, why would you quote this, then claim that it's a WMD? Doesn't make sense.

So what suspension of reality do I have?

Bush said Saddam had WMDs. At the time he didn't know, he lied.

At the time he went looking for a reason to invade Iraq. Why did he want to invade Iraq then? It wasn't for the WMDs. They found this reason for him AFTER he decided he wanted to invade.

So what was it, and why didn't he tell people this reason?

Even CNN finally got it right, but you idiots keep believing the shit force fed you!

WMD - Yellow Cake - Bush was right - CNN iReport

They were SHOOTING at our planes in the NO FLY ZONE, you asshole! Plus 16 U.N. resolutions, and a CORRUPT OIL FOR FOOD PROGRAM where Saddam was paying off France, Germany, Russia, and that Corrupt Se, Gen. of the U.N. Anin with over $10BILLION to make sure he had NO U.N. problems!

 

[TooTall]

What chemical weapons did the US use in Vietnam?

The name's Orange, James Orange. Well doesn't quite have the same ring to it as Agent Orange.

Agent Orange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The 2,4,5-T used to produce Agent Orange was contaminated with 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzodioxin (TCDD), an extremely toxic dioxin compound. In some areas, TCDD concentrations in soil and water were hundreds of times greater than the levels considered safe by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency."

"U.S., British, and other Allied authorities officially stated that the use of herbicides and defoliants in warfare were not carried out in forms of chlorine, mustard, nerve, and sarin gases (all which were classified as chemical weapons). Rather, these substances were considered extremely harmless to human life and were mainly used in both Malaya and Vietnam to defoliate plants to deprive the enemy of cover or concealment so as to protect Allied troops from ambushes and/or expose their lines of communication to Allied reconnaissance aircraft and not as a weapon of war against human populations and human-made structures. Therefore, Agent Orange fall under the category of herbicidal warfare, not chemical warfare."

They claimed it wasn't chemical warfare.

"Many experts at the time, including Arthur Galston, the biologist who developed and intensively studied 2,4,5-T and TCDD, opposed herbicidal warfare, due to concerns about the side effects to humans and the environment by indiscriminately spraying the chemical over a wide area. As early as 1966, resolutions were introduced to the United Nations charging that the U.S. was violating the 1925 Geneva Protocol, which regulated the use of chemical and biological weapons. The U.S. defeated most of the resolutions,[40][62] arguing that Agent Orange was not a chemical or a biological weapon as it was considered a herbicide and a defoliant and it was used in effort to destroy plant crops to deprive the enemy of cover and not meant to target human beings. A weapon, by definition, is any device used to injure, defeat, or destroy living beings, structures, or systems, and Agent Orange did not qualify under that definition. It also argued that if the U.S. were to be charged for using Agent Orange, then Britain and its Commonwealth nations should be charged since they also used it widely during the Malayan Emergency in the 1950s"

Thank you for admitting the US didn't use chemical or biological weapons in Vietnam as you original stated.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Even CNN finally got it right, but you idiots keep believing the shit force fed you!

WMD - Yellow Cake - Bush was right - CNN iReport

They were SHOOTING at our planes in the NO FLY ZONE, you asshole! Plus 16 U.N. resolutions, and a CORRUPT OIL FOR FOOD PROGRAM where Saddam was paying off France, Germany, Russia, and that Corrupt Se, Gen. of the U.N. Anin with over $10BILLION to make sure he had NO U.N. problems!

But you're missing the point.

The point is that Bush wanted to invade Iraq BEFORE he thought about WMDs. He spoke about WMDs because he was told this was the easiest way of invading Iraq. So they went and told everyone about WMDs when A) they didn't know what Saddam had and B) Saddam didn't have WMDs.

As for shooting at planes in the no fly zone, shock horror.

This still isn't the reason Bush went to war in Iraq.

Firstly, Bush lied, which is the topic of this post. He lied because he's a US President and that's generally what US Presidents do.

Secondly, he wanted to take down OPEC Iraq and stop OPEC having so much power. He succeed in this. Once Saddam was taken down after a short war, mission accomplished, the post war effort was neither here nor there and the US soldiers's lives were worth expending to get Iraq pumping oil.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Thank you for admitting the US didn't use chemical or biological weapons in Vietnam as you original stated.

Agent Orange is a chemical weapon. The US used it claiming it wasn't, that doesn't mean it isn't.

It's chemical. They used it as a weapon. It killed loads of people. They claimed it was just to get rid of food production for the Communist troops. Yet they sprayed 20% of the land. Hmmmm.

It's called politicians saying one thing and doing something else.

Or are we just expected to believe the lies?

 

[TooTall]

The point is what is the lie that Bush told.

The point is Bush lied about WMD.

This isn't a case of whether they found WMD later on or not. At the point when he said there was WMD, he DIDN'T KNOW what the situation was.

CNN.com - Woodward: Tenet told Bush WMD case a 'slam dunk' - Apr 19, 2004

"The book also reports that in the summer of 2002, $700 million was diverted from a congressional appropriation for the war in Afghanistan to develop a war plan for Iraq.

Woodward suggests the diversion may have been illegal, and that Congress was deliberately kept in the dark about what had been done."

So why was Bush keeping Congress in the dark?

"In the book, Woodward reports that on November 21, 2001 -- about three months after the September 11 attacks and shortly after the Taliban regime crumbled in Afghanistan -- Bush took Rumsfeld aside, ordered him to develop a war plan for Iraq and told him to keep it secret"

Bush wanted to go to war. He got his guys to find a way.

"As the war planning progressed, on December 21, 2002, Tenet and his top deputy, John McLaughlin, went to the White House to brief Bush and Cheney on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, Woodward reports."

Clearly going to war came BEFORE caring about WMDs, caring about an al Qaeda-Saddam link.

"She urged him to act on his stated threat to take military action if Saddam did not provide a full accounting of his weapons of mass destruction, Woodward reports."

So, all of this was about deceiving, about getting what you want and about presenting it in a way that allows you to get what you want. It's not about concern for WMDs or the people of Iraq.

He used the situation of 9/11 and tried to connect Saddam with al Qaeda.

Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship (washingtonpost.com)

"Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship "

""The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda: because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," Bush said after a Cabinet meeting. As evidence, he cited Iraqi intelligence officers' meeting with bin Laden in Sudan. "There's numerous contacts between the two," Bush said."

"The finding of the commission's staff led Bush's Democratic challenger, Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), to escalate his accusations that Bush deceived both the Senate and the American public about the rationale for war in Iraq. "The president owes the American people a fundamental explanation about why he rushed to war for a purpose that it now turns out is not supported by the facts," Kerry told reporters at the Detroit airport. "That is the finding of this commission.""

"In challenging the commission's finding, Bush and his aides argued that their previous assertions about the ties between Iraq and the terrorist organization were justified by the contacts that occurred."

So, basically intelligence was told to find a connection. They found one thing, which appears to say that some people met each other, and they didn't know WHAT was said and what happened, but hell, this "intelligence" was enough for Bush.

"While not explicitly declaring Iraqi culpability in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, administration officials did, at various times, imply a link. In late 2001, Cheney said it was "pretty well confirmed" that attack mastermind Mohamed Atta had met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official. Later, Cheney called Iraq the "geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

Bush, in 2003, said "the battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001.""

The Iraq War in Quotes

"11/01/2002, George W. Bush, President
"... for the sake of protecting our friends and allies, the United States will lead a mighty coalition of freedom-loving nations and disarm Saddam Hussein. See, I can't imagine what was going through the mind of this enemy when they hit us. They probably thought the national religion was materialism, that we were so selfish and so self-absorbed that after 9/11/2001 this mighty nation would take a couple of steps back and file a lawsuit."

Here's a pretty weird one. He can't imagine what was going through the mind of "this enemy" when it attacked the US, er.... what does this have to do with Saddam?

"02/08/2003, George W. Bush, President
"We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner. This network runs a poison and explosive training camp in northeast Iraq, and many of its leaders are known to be in Baghdad.""

They knew this huh?

"09/17/2003, George W. Bush, President
Q: Mr. President, Dr. Rice and Secretary Rumsfeld both said yesterday that they have seen no evidence that Iraq had anything to do with September 11th. THE PRESIDENT: "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11th."'

"03/31/2005, President's Commission on WMD
We conclude that the Intelligence Community was dead wrong in almost all of its pre-war judgments about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. —Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction"

No lies huh? Well either Bush was incredibly stupid, and lied, or he was getting what he wanted, by lying. Your choice I guess.

I have another choice. Bush knew what the intelligence community in the US and in several other nations in the free world told him about Saddam Hussein. That is not telling a lie.

Saddam Hussen had used gas to kill Iranians and Kurds in the past and, if left alone would most certainly do it again. Bush and a multi-national force of the US and other nations saw to it that he would no longer pose a threat to the other countries on the middle east.

Re-writing history by liberal Bush haters is rather disgusting, and we all bat 100% with hindsight.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I have another choice. Bush knew what the intelligence community in the US and in several other nations in the free world told him about Saddam Hussein. That is not telling a lie.

Saddam Hussen had used gas to kill Iranians and Kurds in the past and, if left alone would most certainly do it again. Bush and a multi-national force of the US and other nations saw to it that he would no longer pose a threat to the other countries on the middle east.

Re-writing history by liberal Bush haters is rather disgusting, and we all bat 100% with hindsight.

Ah, so Bush knew what he was told by the intelligence community. Now, if Bush told the intelligence community to tell him this, does this still not make him a liar? He told someone to go find a way of making war with Iraq.

Yes, Saddam used chemical weapons before. Certain he would use them again? Not certain, there was a chance.

The US is the only country to have ever used nukes on humans in war, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Is it certain the US will use them again?

Sure, if they got rid of Saddam he would no longer be able to pose a threat. So the US could take down anyone who posed any kind of threat to US interests huh? Sounds like a blank check.

It's not about "re-writing history", it's about finding the truth.

Now, answer this question.

Why did the US target Chavez in Venezuela by helping a coup in Venezuela in 2002, Saddam in Iraq in 2003, Gaddafi in Libya in 2011 and have sanctions against Iran right now?
Also, why all this but they ignored the civil war in the Ivory Coast, haven't done anything in Syria, haven't done anything in the Ukraine?

Am I re-writing history by asking these questions?

 

[TooTall]

Thank you for admitting the US didn't use chemical or biological weapons in Vietnam as you original stated.

Agent Orange is a chemical weapon. The US used it claiming it wasn't, that doesn't mean it isn't.

It's chemical. They used it as a weapon. It killed loads of people. They claimed it was just to get rid of food production for the Communist troops. Yet they sprayed 20% of the land. Hmmmm.

It's called politicians saying one thing and doing something else.

Or are we just expected to believe the lies?

What part of the definition of a weapon do you not understand? A weapon, by definition, is any device used to injure, defeat, or destroy living beings, structures, or systems, and Agent Orange did not qualify under that definition.

You did get it half right. Agent Orange was a powerful mixture of chemical defoliants used by U.S. military forces during the Vietnam War to eliminate forest cover for North Vietnamese and Viet Cong troops, as well as crops that might be used to feed them.

 

[bluesman]

The point is what is the lie that Bush told.

The point is Bush lied about WMD.

This isn't a case of whether they found WMD later on or not. At the point when he said there was WMD, he DIDN'T KNOW what the situation was.

CNN.com - Woodward: Tenet told Bush WMD case a 'slam dunk' - Apr 19, 2004

"The book also reports that in the summer of 2002, $700 million was diverted from a congressional appropriation for the war in Afghanistan to develop a war plan for Iraq.

Woodward suggests the diversion may have been illegal, and that Congress was deliberately kept in the dark about what had been done."

So why was Bush keeping Congress in the dark?

"In the book, Woodward reports that on November 21, 2001 -- about three months after the September 11 attacks and shortly after the Taliban regime crumbled in Afghanistan -- Bush took Rumsfeld aside, ordered him to develop a war plan for Iraq and told him to keep it secret"

Bush wanted to go to war. He got his guys to find a way.

"As the war planning progressed, on December 21, 2002, Tenet and his top deputy, John McLaughlin, went to the White House to brief Bush and Cheney on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, Woodward reports."

Clearly going to war came BEFORE caring about WMDs, caring about an al Qaeda-Saddam link.

"She urged him to act on his stated threat to take military action if Saddam did not provide a full accounting of his weapons of mass destruction, Woodward reports."

So, all of this was about deceiving, about getting what you want and about presenting it in a way that allows you to get what you want. It's not about concern for WMDs or the people of Iraq.

He used the situation of 9/11 and tried to connect Saddam with al Qaeda.

Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship (washingtonpost.com)

"Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship "

""The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda: because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," Bush said after a Cabinet meeting. As evidence, he cited Iraqi intelligence officers' meeting with bin Laden in Sudan. "There's numerous contacts between the two," Bush said."

"The finding of the commission's staff led Bush's Democratic challenger, Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), to escalate his accusations that Bush deceived both the Senate and the American public about the rationale for war in Iraq. "The president owes the American people a fundamental explanation about why he rushed to war for a purpose that it now turns out is not supported by the facts," Kerry told reporters at the Detroit airport. "That is the finding of this commission.""

"In challenging the commission's finding, Bush and his aides argued that their previous assertions about the ties between Iraq and the terrorist organization were justified by the contacts that occurred."

So, basically intelligence was told to find a connection. They found one thing, which appears to say that some people met each other, and they didn't know WHAT was said and what happened, but hell, this "intelligence" was enough for Bush.

"While not explicitly declaring Iraqi culpability in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, administration officials did, at various times, imply a link. In late 2001, Cheney said it was "pretty well confirmed" that attack mastermind Mohamed Atta had met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official. Later, Cheney called Iraq the "geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

Bush, in 2003, said "the battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001.""

The Iraq War in Quotes

"11/01/2002, George W. Bush, President
"... for the sake of protecting our friends and allies, the United States will lead a mighty coalition of freedom-loving nations and disarm Saddam Hussein. See, I can't imagine what was going through the mind of this enemy when they hit us. They probably thought the national religion was materialism, that we were so selfish and so self-absorbed that after 9/11/2001 this mighty nation would take a couple of steps back and file a lawsuit."

Here's a pretty weird one. He can't imagine what was going through the mind of "this enemy" when it attacked the US, er.... what does this have to do with Saddam?

"02/08/2003, George W. Bush, President
"We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner. This network runs a poison and explosive training camp in northeast Iraq, and many of its leaders are known to be in Baghdad.""

They knew this huh?

"09/17/2003, George W. Bush, President
Q: Mr. President, Dr. Rice and Secretary Rumsfeld both said yesterday that they have seen no evidence that Iraq had anything to do with September 11th. THE PRESIDENT: "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11th."'

"03/31/2005, President's Commission on WMD
We conclude that the Intelligence Community was dead wrong in almost all of its pre-war judgments about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. —Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction"

No lies huh? Well either Bush was incredibly stupid, and lied, or he was getting what he wanted, by lying. Your choice I guess.

Good Lord! Dumb is everywhere on the left!

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334#.U0fiT9-etc8

The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aunacceptable sourceid its nuclear ambitions.

What's now left is the final and complicated push to clean up the remaining radioactive debris at the former Tuwaitha nuclear complex about 12 miles south of Baghdad — using teams that include Iraqi experts recently trained in the Chernobyl fallout zone in Ukraine.
"Everyone is very happy to have this safely out of Iraq," said a senior U.S. official who outlined the nearly three-month operation to The Associated Press. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment.

The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium producer, Cameco Corp., in a transaction the official described as worth "tens of millions of dollars." A Cameco spokesman, Lyle Krahn, declined to discuss the price, but said the yellowcake will be processed at facilities in Ontario for use in energy-producing reactors.

"We are pleased ... that we have taken (the yellowcake) from a volatile region into a stable area to produce clean electricity," he said.

snopes.com: Yellowcake Uranium Removed from Iraq

 

[Oldstyle]

Good Lord! Dumb is everywhere on the left!

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334#.U0fiT9-etc8

The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aunacceptable sourceid its nuclear ambitions.

What's now left is the final and complicated push to clean up the remaining radioactive debris at the former Tuwaitha nuclear complex about 12 miles south of Baghdad — using teams that include Iraqi experts recently trained in the Chernobyl fallout zone in Ukraine.
"Everyone is very happy to have this safely out of Iraq," said a senior U.S. official who outlined the nearly three-month operation to The Associated Press. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment.

The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium producer, Cameco Corp., in a transaction the official described as worth "tens of millions of dollars." A Cameco spokesman, Lyle Krahn, declined to discuss the price, but said the yellowcake will be processed at facilities in Ontario for use in energy-producing reactors.

"We are pleased ... that we have taken (the yellowcake) from a volatile region into a stable area to produce clean electricity," he said.

What is it you think I'm arguing here?

This isn't about whether there were WMDs or not. This is about whether Bush lied.
Now, it doesn't matter whether they found yellowcake or not, Bush didn't know what he was saying when he said it. He didn't know if Iraq had WMDs or not. So, when he said Saddam had them, was he speaking from what he knew, or was he making it up?

Also, the Yellowcake could merely have been used for a nuclear power program, or perhaps for nuclear weapons. Most countries who fear the US want to get a nuclear bomb to defend themselves, rather than to attack.

Now, what did Saddam have?

"While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. "

He didn't have a WMD. He had material that could have been used for something down the line, but no Weapon of Mass Destruction was found in Iraq. Just material that could have been used for that or for something else.

How do you defend yourself with a nuke? Seriously, Dude...you REALLY think Iran wants to defend itself with nuclear weapons? Or that Iraq wanted to defend itself with nuclear weapons? Just how naive are you?

 

[buckeye45_73]

I mean seriously the guy has lied to the American people so many times I have lost count.
He has more scandals under his belt than all the presidents combined and has put us in more debt than all of the previous presidents.

You really have to be brain dead at this point to think anything he does is going to benefit the American People.

lakhota, closed caption, luddly, plasmaball, rdean, jillian, and a host of other dupes

 

[bluesman]

Good Lord! Dumb is everywhere on the left!

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334#.U0fiT9-etc8

The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aunacceptable sourceid its nuclear ambitions.

What's now left is the final and complicated push to clean up the remaining radioactive debris at the former Tuwaitha nuclear complex about 12 miles south of Baghdad — using teams that include Iraqi experts recently trained in the Chernobyl fallout zone in Ukraine.
"Everyone is very happy to have this safely out of Iraq," said a senior U.S. official who outlined the nearly three-month operation to The Associated Press. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment.

The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium producer, Cameco Corp., in a transaction the official described as worth "tens of millions of dollars." A Cameco spokesman, Lyle Krahn, declined to discuss the price, but said the yellowcake will be processed at facilities in Ontario for use in energy-producing reactors.

"We are pleased ... that we have taken (the yellowcake) from a volatile region into a stable area to produce clean electricity," he said.

What is it you think I'm arguing here?

This isn't about whether there were WMDs or not. This is about whether Bush lied.
Now, it doesn't matter whether they found yellowcake or not, Bush didn't know what he was saying when he said it. He didn't know if Iraq had WMDs or not. So, when he said Saddam had them, was he speaking from what he knew, or was he making it up?

Also, the Yellowcake could merely have been used for a nuclear power program, or perhaps for nuclear weapons. Most countries who fear the US want to get a nuclear bomb to defend themselves, rather than to attack.

Now, what did Saddam have?

"While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. "

He didn't have a WMD. He had material that could have been used for something down the line, but no Weapon of Mass Destruction was found in Iraq. Just material that could have been used for that or for something else.

How do you defend yourself with a nuke? Seriously, Dude...you REALLY think Iran wants to defend itself with nuclear weapons? Or that Iraq wanted to defend itself with nuclear weapons? Just how naive are you?

Your post makes it seem like you don't understand what was said in the post you are responding to and have not read up on what you are talking about. The yellow cake in question was not even strong enough for a dirty bomb and according to the link provided, it does not qualify as a WMD. George W Bush told two specific lies. The first one was that he knew Saddam had actual WMDs and the second one was that there was a link between Saddam and Bin Laden. Your post supports the "be afraid" message that George W Bush was perpetuating. He specifically engineered a situation where there was a threat to America. However, as the bi-partisan senate intelligence committee report shows, this was a manufactured situation. Another word for that would be "lie". Iraq didn't pose any specific threat to American safety and George W Bush said it did. Just like in your post, he was trying to scare people. I also provided a link showing that within two weeks of 9/11, he was focusing on Iraq.

 

[Avatar4321]

Yes, sadly there are people who still believe a word he says despite the countless times he's been found lying through his teeth.

One can always hope he starts someday soon. Im not expecting it.

 

[bluesman]

Yes, sadly there are people who still believe a word he says despite the countless times he's been found lying through his teeth.

One can always hope he starts someday soon. Im not expecting it.

It doesn't matter which Democrat gets elected. The right will vilify them. That's what happens when people become ideologues. It becomes a battle of good versus evil. If you look at the Taliban, Al Qaeda, or any other extremist group. The enemy is always "evil". Right wing ideologues work the same way. It isn't good enough to attack Obama's policies, they are focused on proving that he is "evil". Examples would be that he is supposedly a "Muslim" who was not born in America. It is stupid level shit and it works perfectly for idiots. Instead of logically pointing out that Obama is the worst president ever, they just say it. When they get proven wrong, then they just keep saying the same shit.

 

[Vigilante]

Even CNN finally got it right, but you idiots keep believing the shit force fed you!

WMD - Yellow Cake - Bush was right - CNN iReport

They were SHOOTING at our planes in the NO FLY ZONE, you asshole! Plus 16 U.N. resolutions, and a CORRUPT OIL FOR FOOD PROGRAM where Saddam was paying off France, Germany, Russia, and that Corrupt Se, Gen. of the U.N. Anin with over $10BILLION to make sure he had NO U.N. problems!

But you're missing the point.

The point is that Bush wanted to invade Iraq BEFORE he thought about WMDs. He spoke about WMDs because he was told this was the easiest way of invading Iraq. So they went and told everyone about WMDs when A) they didn't know what Saddam had and B) Saddam didn't have WMDs.

As for shooting at planes in the no fly zone, shock horror.

This still isn't the reason Bush went to war in Iraq.

Firstly, Bush lied, which is the topic of this post. He lied because he's a US President and that's generally what US Presidents do.

Secondly, he wanted to take down OPEC Iraq and stop OPEC having so much power. He succeed in this. Once Saddam was taken down after a short war, mission accomplished, the post war effort was neither here nor there and the US soldiers's lives were worth expending to get Iraq pumping oil.

Your first statement is pure bullshit. Has absolutely nothing to do with anything except your hatred of Bush.

Secondly, Saudi Arabia runs OPEC. This is because it is the largest supplier in the global distribution of oil from OPEC. Iraq's production was a drop in the bucket, compared to almost all the other OPEC countries. The price manipulation, at the time of the Iraq War, was sought by the OPEC nations as the price per barrel had plummeted and their cutting back production was the way that they used to raise prices. The HYPE of the cut off of Iraq oil, by the war, although negligible, raised the price on commodity markets, and at the pump. After it was seen that the loss of Iraq oil did NOTHING to production (Saudi Arabia picked up whatever slack Iraq had been) the price subsided again.

It wasn't about oil, That's historically proven.

 

[bluesman]

Even CNN finally got it right, but you idiots keep believing the shit force fed you!

WMD - Yellow Cake - Bush was right - CNN iReport

They were SHOOTING at our planes in the NO FLY ZONE, you asshole! Plus 16 U.N. resolutions, and a CORRUPT OIL FOR FOOD PROGRAM where Saddam was paying off France, Germany, Russia, and that Corrupt Se, Gen. of the U.N. Anin with over $10BILLION to make sure he had NO U.N. problems!

But you're missing the point.

The point is that Bush wanted to invade Iraq BEFORE he thought about WMDs. He spoke about WMDs because he was told this was the easiest way of invading Iraq. So they went and told everyone about WMDs when A) they didn't know what Saddam had and B) Saddam didn't have WMDs.

As for shooting at planes in the no fly zone, shock horror.

This still isn't the reason Bush went to war in Iraq.

Firstly, Bush lied, which is the topic of this post. He lied because he's a US President and that's generally what US Presidents do.

Secondly, he wanted to take down OPEC Iraq and stop OPEC having so much power. He succeed in this. Once Saddam was taken down after a short war, mission accomplished, the post war effort was neither here nor there and the US soldiers's lives were worth expending to get Iraq pumping oil.

Your first statement is pure bullshit. Has absolutely nothing to do with anything except your hatred of Bush.

Secondly, Saudi Arabia runs OPEC. This is because it is the largest supplier in the global distribution of oil from OPEC. Iraq's production was a drop in the bucket, compared to almost all the other OPEC countries. The price manipulation, at the time of the Iraq War, was sought by the OPEC nations as the price per barrel had plummeted and their cutting back production was the way that they used to raise prices. The HYPE of the cut off of Iraq oil, by the war, although negligible, raised the price on commodity markets, and at the pump. After it was seen that the loss of Iraq oil did NOTHING to production (Saudi Arabia picked up whatever slack Iraq had been) the price subsided again.

It wasn't about oil, That's historically proven.

So to say it is pure bullshit is to say that Rumsfeld lied in his book and that the bi-partisan senate intelligence committee lied also. I posted links but you probably just skipped over them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/03/us/politics/03rumsfeld.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

WASHINGTON — Just 15 days after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, President George W. Bush invited his defense secretary, Donald H. Rumsfeld, to meet with him alone in the Oval Office. According to Mr. Rumsfeld’s new memoir, the president leaned back in his leather chair and ordered a review and revision of war plans — but not for Afghanistan, where the Qaeda attacks on New York and Washington had been planned and where American retaliation was imminent.

“He asked that I take a look at the shape of our military plans on Iraq,” Mr. Rumsfeld writes.

“Two weeks after the worst terrorist attack in our nation’s history, those of us in the Department of Defense were fully occupied,” Mr. Rumsfeld recalls. But the president insisted on new military plans for Iraq, Mr. Rumsfeld writes. “He wanted the options to be ‘creative.’ ” [/QUOTE]



U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

Press Release of Intelligence Committee
-- Two Bipartisan Reports Detail Administration Misstatements on Prewar Iraq Intelligence, and Inappropriate Intelligence Activities by Pentagon Policy Office --

“In making the case for war, the Administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent. As a result, the American people were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than actually existed.”

“It is my belief that the Bush Administration was fixated on Iraq, and used the 9/11 attacks by al Qa’ida as justification for overthrowing Saddam Hussein. To accomplish this, top Administration officials made repeated statements that falsely linked Iraq and al Qa’ida as a single threat and insinuated that Iraq played a role in 9/11. Sadly, the Bush Administration led the nation into war under false pretenses..."


"...The Committee’s report cites several conclusions in which the Administration’s public statements were NOT supported by the intelligence. They include:



Ø Statements and implications by the President and Secretary of State suggesting that Iraq and al-Qa’ida had a partnership, or that Iraq had provided al-Qa’ida with weapons training, were not substantiated by the intelligence.



Ø Statements by the President and the Vice President indicating that Saddam Hussein was prepared to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups for attacks against the United States were contradicted by available intelligence information.



Ø Statements by President Bush and Vice President Cheney regarding the postwar situation in Iraq, in terms of the political, security, and economic, did not reflect the concerns and uncertainties expressed in the intelligence products.



Ø Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq’s chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence community’s uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing.



Ø The Secretary of Defense’s statement that the Iraqi government operated underground WMD facilities that were not vulnerable to conventional airstrikes because they were underground and deeply buried was not substantiated by available intelligence information.


Ø The Intelligence Community did not confirm that Muhammad Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001 as the Vice President repeatedly claimed..."


Also, you didn't respond to the snopes.com link I provided that said the Yellow Cake claims were false:

snopes.com: Yellowcake Uranium Removed from Iraq

 

[Vigilante]

The point is Bush lied about WMD.

This isn't a case of whether they found WMD later on or not. At the point when he said there was WMD, he DIDN'T KNOW what the situation was.

CNN.com - Woodward: Tenet told Bush WMD case a 'slam dunk' - Apr 19, 2004

"The book also reports that in the summer of 2002, $700 million was diverted from a congressional appropriation for the war in Afghanistan to develop a war plan for Iraq.

Woodward suggests the diversion may have been illegal, and that Congress was deliberately kept in the dark about what had been done."

So why was Bush keeping Congress in the dark?

"In the book, Woodward reports that on November 21, 2001 -- about three months after the September 11 attacks and shortly after the Taliban regime crumbled in Afghanistan -- Bush took Rumsfeld aside, ordered him to develop a war plan for Iraq and told him to keep it secret"

Bush wanted to go to war. He got his guys to find a way.

"As the war planning progressed, on December 21, 2002, Tenet and his top deputy, John McLaughlin, went to the White House to brief Bush and Cheney on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, Woodward reports."

Clearly going to war came BEFORE caring about WMDs, caring about an al Qaeda-Saddam link.

"She urged him to act on his stated threat to take military action if Saddam did not provide a full accounting of his weapons of mass destruction, Woodward reports."

So, all of this was about deceiving, about getting what you want and about presenting it in a way that allows you to get what you want. It's not about concern for WMDs or the people of Iraq.

He used the situation of 9/11 and tried to connect Saddam with al Qaeda.

Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship (washingtonpost.com)

"Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship "

""The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda: because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," Bush said after a Cabinet meeting. As evidence, he cited Iraqi intelligence officers' meeting with bin Laden in Sudan. "There's numerous contacts between the two," Bush said."

"The finding of the commission's staff led Bush's Democratic challenger, Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), to escalate his accusations that Bush deceived both the Senate and the American public about the rationale for war in Iraq. "The president owes the American people a fundamental explanation about why he rushed to war for a purpose that it now turns out is not supported by the facts," Kerry told reporters at the Detroit airport. "That is the finding of this commission.""

"In challenging the commission's finding, Bush and his aides argued that their previous assertions about the ties between Iraq and the terrorist organization were justified by the contacts that occurred."

So, basically intelligence was told to find a connection. They found one thing, which appears to say that some people met each other, and they didn't know WHAT was said and what happened, but hell, this "intelligence" was enough for Bush.

"While not explicitly declaring Iraqi culpability in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, administration officials did, at various times, imply a link. In late 2001, Cheney said it was "pretty well confirmed" that attack mastermind Mohamed Atta had met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official. Later, Cheney called Iraq the "geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

Bush, in 2003, said "the battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001.""

The Iraq War in Quotes

"11/01/2002, George W. Bush, President
"... for the sake of protecting our friends and allies, the United States will lead a mighty coalition of freedom-loving nations and disarm Saddam Hussein. See, I can't imagine what was going through the mind of this enemy when they hit us. They probably thought the national religion was materialism, that we were so selfish and so self-absorbed that after 9/11/2001 this mighty nation would take a couple of steps back and file a lawsuit."

Here's a pretty weird one. He can't imagine what was going through the mind of "this enemy" when it attacked the US, er.... what does this have to do with Saddam?

"02/08/2003, George W. Bush, President
"We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner. This network runs a poison and explosive training camp in northeast Iraq, and many of its leaders are known to be in Baghdad.""

They knew this huh?

"09/17/2003, George W. Bush, President
Q: Mr. President, Dr. Rice and Secretary Rumsfeld both said yesterday that they have seen no evidence that Iraq had anything to do with September 11th. THE PRESIDENT: "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11th."'

"03/31/2005, President's Commission on WMD
We conclude that the Intelligence Community was dead wrong in almost all of its pre-war judgments about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. —Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction"

No lies huh? Well either Bush was incredibly stupid, and lied, or he was getting what he wanted, by lying. Your choice I guess.

Good Lord! Dumb is everywhere on the left!

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334#.U0fiT9-etc8

The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aunacceptable sourceid its nuclear ambitions.

What's now left is the final and complicated push to clean up the remaining radioactive debris at the former Tuwaitha nuclear complex about 12 miles south of Baghdad — using teams that include Iraqi experts recently trained in the Chernobyl fallout zone in Ukraine.
"Everyone is very happy to have this safely out of Iraq," said a senior U.S. official who outlined the nearly three-month operation to The Associated Press. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment.

The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium producer, Cameco Corp., in a transaction the official described as worth "tens of millions of dollars." A Cameco spokesman, Lyle Krahn, declined to discuss the price, but said the yellowcake will be processed at facilities in Ontario for use in energy-producing reactors.

"We are pleased ... that we have taken (the yellowcake) from a volatile region into a stable area to produce clean electricity," he said.

snopes.com: Yellowcake Uranium Removed from Iraq

Your SNOPES tale is also MISLEADING as they answer the question "The removal of yellow cake uranium from Iraq in 2008 proved that Saddam Hussein had been trying to start Iraq's nuclear program" PROVES that yellow cake WAS IN IRAQ!!! We haven't stated, nor can anyone tell what Saddam was planning to do with it! He's DEAD and unable to tell us what his plans were for it. If you can CHANNEL Saddam, from wherever he is, please do, and get his statement notarized for proof!