Ghost of a Rider
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I keep using the Hitler analogy because I retain hope that your Bingo brain can eventually process my very simple point.
It doesn't matter if you want to venerate Hitler for his art work. Objectively that still makes you a Hitler venerator.
Likewise, wanting to venerate a slaver like Washington, for whatever reason, still makes you a slaver venerator.
Wrong. This implies veneration of his slave ownership and that is not the case.
I don't care what your excuses are. It's irrelevant to me. Your veneration of slavers is what's useful to me politically and socially.
"Useful"? Useful how?
Not at all. Public support of monsters is how we cancel pieces of human trash and push them to the fringes of society.
Because it pisses you off.
You're the one who's been promoting the idea of emotional
Well you aren't yet but you could be, one day.
If we agree democratically to take responsibility for the mistreatment of Black Americans then yes. That's how democracy works.
Slaver colonies. That's the kind of shit you venerate huh?
I was speaking legally. Whether something is legal or not has an objective answer, no?
Maybe not according to the definition of justice that is a reference to your feelings but to the one that's a reference to the functioning of law, maybe. I don't really care how you feel about it, I care more about the debt being paid.
It doesn't mean those laws are based on what you find to be moral or unethical. Not unless you're the sole arbiter of the law. Are you?
Who's? Yours or mine?
To answer this we have the democratic process.
My confusion comes from your claiming to be morally opposed to slavery yet you seem to celebrate slaver colonies gaining their independence. Do you also root for the Taliban or Boko Haram?
What do you think I have been doing? It's hard getting through that cognitive dissonance. You have a romanticized view of slaver society.
I don't defend white moderates who make promises to the Black community that go unfulfilled, like their promise to pass the John Lewis voting rights act when the Democrats controlled the House. That's a far cry from Republicans however who actively target black voters to disenfranchise us. Take voter ID laws. The people who fight those things are black communities led by black advocates like Stacy Abrams who understand how these laws impact her community better than you do. For instance it doesn't affect a lot of voters but some older black voters don't have birth certificates. That's because they were born in the midst of segregation where many black families in the south were denied access to hospitals and were forced to give birth at home via midwives and didn't get proper documentation. Now that isn't a large number of people but if affects some though what's more damning are the instances where Republican legislators have "targeted black voters with surgical precision." That was an actual ruling by a court against North Carolina Republicans that was upheld by the Supreme Court. In that case Republican legislators looked up county records to find out what IDs black voters disportionately used verse white voters (which turned out to be county employee IDs) and tried to ban those. So in that case Black voters had IDs and Republicans wanted to disqualify them specifically to harm black voters. Then there are the instances of Republican legislators in places like Alabama who fought tooth and nail to deny adding a second black district to a state that is over 25% black.
I don't claim that white Democrats are heroes of the black community. I just think Republicans and conservatives are obviously worse. So obvious in fact they struggle to get more than 10% of the Black vote. That's a pretty definitive statement in and of itself. My solution to this however isn't to continue to rely on white liberals but to keep making the Democratic party and America itself blacker and browner.
How should I feel about you trying to explain to me how I should feel about white liberals?
It doesn't? If it doesn't why are you so afraid of cancel culture?
The same thing that's wrong with lying in general?
Tell me how do you know people are lying and don't genuinely find these people to be racist?
If its their honest opinion it can't be false. Opinions aren't true or false.
The majority that makes you worried about cancel culture.
Perhaps. But I'm not going for wit, I'm just trying to get this jackass to look at things other than through the wrong end of the eyeglass./——/ “Brevity is the soul of wit.” - Some English guy a long time ago.