NYC: disaster - thank team blue for this one.

[Hafar1014]

That is everyone`s problem. They need more training to do what and who pays for their training? The people who pick up our garbage once a week deserve to eat and have a roof over their heads. Being of the Christian persuasion, that`s what I believe.

Your life is your problem not society's mine or anyone else's. Christians dont demand the government support failure. Giving to a real charity is not the same as stealing from your neighbor to support a failure.
The beauty of capitalism is the successful are supported by their efforts and the failures are kept down until they learn to do it right.
Supporting failure just creates more failure thats called socialism.

 

[1srelluc]

It won't be long before NYC will expect capitalists to bail-out their socialist utopia.

Same song, different band.

 

[Hafar1014]

It won't be long before NYC will expect capitalists to bail-out their socialist utopia.

Same song, different band.

Wont happen you dont throw good money after bad. If democrats get in power they will use our taxes to cover up the failure

 

[Darkwind]

It won't be long before NYC will expect capitalists to bail-out their socialist utopia.

Same song, different band.

Well, NYC may be a bigger disaster than even we think it will.

There is an axiom in life: You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.

NYC has been a gun desert for decades, and the people will not have the ability to fight their way out without outside intervention.

I oppose helping them in any way. It is a lesson this current generation needs to learn the hard way.

 

[ColonelAngus]

This is God flooding NYC.

I hope Noah does not take sewer rats with him.

 

[1srelluc]

Wont happen you dont throw good money after bad. If democrats get in power they will use our taxes to cover up the failure

At least Bezos has figured that out as it regards WAPO.

 

[August West]

Your life is your problem not society's mine or anyone else's. Christians dont demand the government support failure. Giving to a real charity is not the same as stealing from your neighbor to support a failure.
The beauty of capitalism is the successful are supported by their efforts and the failures are kept down until they learn to do it right.
Supporting failure just creates more failure thats called socialism.

I`m enjoying my Socialist Medicare and Social Security. Everyone pays in and collects. However, my retired wife who was an RN for nearly 40 years was often a caretaker for handicapped children and adults and THEY were failures that our govt. supported. They never learned to "do it right". I`ve been to quasi-socialistic Costa Rica several times, but I`ve never heard a Costa Rican say that they would rather live in another Central American country like Nicaragua or El Salvador.

 

[Care4all]

Real estate is collapsing and the wealth creators leaving in large numbers. The tax base is shrinking as government increases. NY is in serious decline as democrats tax the wealth right out of the state and city.

New York City provides the State of New York, 58% of their tax revenues....and gets back from the state expenditures only 70 cents on the dollar.

 

[Hafar1014]

New York City provides the State of New York, 58% of their tax revenues....and gets back from the state expenditures only 70 cents on the dollar.

Its an anchor that will drag down the state. Wealth creators are fleeing more and more. Thank you democrat socialists

 

[StarAnus]

Your life is your problem not society's mine or anyone else's. Christians dont demand the government support failure. Giving to a real charity is not the same as stealing from your neighbor to support a failure.
The beauty of capitalism is the successful are supported by their efforts and the failures are kept down until they learn to do it right.
Supporting failure just creates more failure thats called socialism.

This is all predicated on the belief that we live in a true meritocracy, where effort is always rewarded and those who work the hardest are rewarded the most. This is simply not true and it never has been.

A kid born poor in rural Appalachia and a kid born wealthy in Connecticut can work equally hard their whole lives and end up in completely different places. Different schools, different food, different doctors, different connections. Same effort, wildly different results. Which one failed? Which one just got unlucky?

And here's the thing about capitalism "rewarding success": the US has lower social mobility than most of Western Europe. The hardworking poor are less likely to rise here than in countries you'd call socialist.

On charity replacing government programs: it has never worked. Not before social programs existed, not anywhere they've been cut. The donations simply do not add up to what's needed.

And if safety nets breed failure, why do the countries with the strongest ones like Scandinavia, Germany, the Netherlands have higher rates of entrepreneurship and economic growth than we do? Turns out people take risks when failure isn't a death sentence.

 

[Hafar1014]

This is all predicated on the belief that we live in a true meritocracy, where effort is always rewarded and those who work the hardest are rewarded the most. This is simply not true and it never has been.

A kid born poor in rural Appalachia and a kid born wealthy in Connecticut can work equally hard their whole lives and end up in completely different places. Different schools, different food, different doctors, different connections. Same effort, wildly different results. Which one failed? Which one just got unlucky?

And here's the thing about capitalism "rewarding success": the US has lower social mobility than most of Western Europe. The hardworking poor are less likely to rise here than in countries you'd call socialist.

On charity replacing government programs: it has never worked. Not before social programs existed, not anywhere they've been cut. The donations simply do not add up to what's needed.

And if safety nets breed failure, why do the countries with the strongest ones like Scandinavia, Germany, the Netherlands have higher rates of entrepreneurship and economic growth than we do? Turns out people take risks when failure isn't a death sentence.

My mother was 16 and father 24. I was put in a foster home. I started 5 businesses, published one book and many research papers, pioneered therapy for trauma and retired a wealthy man.

You know nothing about social mobility. Im in Europe often visiting family and lecturing. Financial mobility is almost impossible. High taxes stifle growth. Mean standard of living is much lower than in America.

I have also been in Scandia which has the one of the highest suicide and alcoholism creates in the world. You cant even afford a car. People ride bikes and take busses.

Why do you think the world comes to America? Becuase this is the best place to be a success.

You dont have clue. So what have you done

Wasnt Vance from Appalachia?

 

[Care4all]

Its an anchor that will drag down the state. Wealth creators are fleeing more and more. Thank you democrat socialists

The wealthy in NYC are getting richer....the middle class and and working class are hurting, not the wealthy.

Gemini A l

No, not in a massive wave anymore. While there was a noticeable spike in high-earners moving out of New York City during the height of the pandemic (peaking in 2020), wealthy tax flight has since sharply declined and stabilized back toward normal, pre-pandemic levels.

Here is what the actual data shows:
The Numbers: According to New York state tax data, the number of millionaires changing their addresses to out-of-state locations peaked at over 3,300 in 2020. That number has steadily dropped, with fewer than 1,700 moving away annually—a tiny fraction of the state’s total millionaire population.

The Ultra-Wealthy vs. The Core Base: A small handful of ultra-wealthy individuals (like hedge fund managers and billionaires) did permanently relocate to lower-tax states like Florida and Texas.

However, the vast majority of high-earning professionals—whose careers depend on Manhattan’s dense financial and legal networks—have stayed put.

The Real Exodus: The people actually leaving NYC in higher numbers are middle- and working-class residents. Driven out by high housing costs, rising rents, and the cost of living, these income brackets now make up the bulk of domestic out-migration.

Meanwhile, NYC's luxury real estate market remains highly active with tight inventory, reflecting a steady, robust demand from affluent buyers who are choosing to stay anchored in the city.

 

[August West]

Its an anchor that will drag down the state. Wealth creators are fleeing more and more. Thank you democrat socialists

Wealth creators are the people who buy things. If everything in your life is about money, I feel sorry for you. Money doesn`t talk, it swears.

 

[StarAnus]

My mother was 16 and father 24. I was put in a foster home. I started 5 businesses, published one book and many research papers, pioneered therapy for trauma and retired a wealthy man.

You know nothing about social mobility. Im in Europe often visiting family and lecturing. Financial mobility is almost impossible. High taxes stifle growth. Mean standard of living is much lower than in America.

I have also been in Scandia which has the one of the highest suicide and alcoholism creates in the world. You cant even afford a car. People ride bikes and take busses.

Why do you think the world comes to America? Becuase this is the best place to be a success.

You dont have clue. So what have you done

Wasnt Vance from Appalachia?

You're making the exact error you're accusing me of. You're taking your experience and assuming it scales to everyone. That's an anecdote, and one extra-ordinary life doesn't tell us how a system works for millions of people.

The population data is not ambiguous. For every person who does what you did, there are thousands who worked just as hard and never got there. That's not because they failed. That's what the statistics show.

On Europe: median American household wealth looks higher until you factor in healthcare costs, student debt, and the fact that a single bad diagnosis can wipe out a lifetime of savings. Europeans aren't riding bikes because they're poor. They're riding bikes because their cities are built for it and gas isn't subsidized.

The suicide and alcoholism rates in Scandinavia are real but they predate the welfare state and are tied to climate and culture, not economics. Their own people consistently rank among the happiest and most financially secure on earth. Those two things can both be true.

 

[Hafar1014]

Wealth creators are the people who buy things. If everything in your life is about money, I feel sorry for you. Money doesn`t talk, it swears.

So how long have you made excuses for your lack of success?
Wealth creators create jobs and opportunity. They but things so be the one who sells it to them maintains their cars and boats.
Your perfect world is Minnesota. The worst social welfare scandal in our history. Man up be something do something fir humanity stop playing the victim. Victims are losers

 

[Lockback]

Scandal of the century! Feeding people is money wasted?
NYC is dealing with unprecedented downpours, and team blue has no way to stop them. What would you suggest they do?

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Stop paying to feed and house illegals would be a great start.

 

[Hafar1014]

You're making the exact error you're accusing me of. You're taking your experience and assuming it scales to everyone. That's an anecdote, and one extra-ordinary life doesn't tell us how a system works for millions of people.

The population data is not ambiguous. For every person who does what you did, there are thousands who worked just as hard and never got there. That's not because they failed. That's what the statistics show.

On Europe: median American household wealth looks higher until you factor in healthcare costs, student debt, and the fact that a single bad diagnosis can wipe out a lifetime of savings. Europeans aren't riding bikes because they're poor. They're riding bikes because their cities are built for it and gas isn't subsidized.

The suicide and alcoholism rates in Scandinavia are real but they predate the welfare state and are tied to climate and culture, not economics. Their own people consistently rank among the happiest and most financially secure on earth. Those two things can both be true.

The NHS in the UK is collapsing broke and has some of the poorest healthcare in the western world. Drs leaving in large numbers to work in private healthcare. Wait times in months even years. No mental health care for minors and they pay more in taxes for it including a 15% VAT tax on everything.
American private healthcare is far superior covers more treatment is faster and never goes broke except Obamacare

Suicide is caused by depression. Depression is caused by a life without meaning.
I have been to all these places and seen first hand how people live. You dont have clue.
So has your life been one big excuse for lack of success.
What have you done for humanity?

 

[StarAnus]

The NHS in the UK is collapsing broke and has some of the poorest healthcare in the western world. Drs leaving in large numbers to work in private healthcare. Wait times in months even years. No mental health care for minors and they pay more in taxes for it including a 15% VAT tax on everything.
American private healthcare is far superior covers more treatment is faster and never goes broke except Obamacare

Suicide is caused by depression. Depression is caused by a life without meaning.
I have been to all these places and seen first hand how people live. You dont have clue.
So has your life been one big excuse for lack of success.
What have you done for humanity?

You're comparing a strained public system to American private healthcare at its best, which isn't an honest comparison. Compare it to what American healthcare looks like if you're uninsured, underinsured, or just unlucky. Medical debt is the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US. That doesn't happen in the UK, France, Germany or anywhere else with universal coverage, however imperfect.

American private healthcare is fast and excellent if you can pay for it. That's exactly the point. A system that works great for wealthy people and ruins poor ones is not evidence against what I'm saying. It's evidence for it.

On meaning and suicide: you're actually agreeing with me without realizing it. If depression comes from a life without meaning, and meaning comes partly from stability, security and opportunity, then a system that denies people those things is contributing to the problem. That's the argument for safety nets in one sentence.

You keep asking me what I've done, and I am not responding to it because my entire point is that individual anecdotes don't mean anything about population level statistics.

 

[Hafar1014]

You're comparing a strained public system to American private healthcare at its best, which isn't an honest comparison. Compare it to what American healthcare looks like if you're uninsured, underinsured, or just unlucky. Medical debt is the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US. That doesn't happen in the UK, France, Germany or anywhere else with universal coverage, however imperfect.

American private healthcare is fast and excellent if you can pay for it. That's exactly the point. A system that works great for wealthy people and ruins poor ones is not evidence against what I'm saying. It's evidence for it.

On meaning and suicide: you're actually agreeing with me without realizing it. If depression comes from a life without meaning, and meaning comes partly from stability, security and opportunity, then a system that denies people those things is contributing to the problem. That's the argument for safety nets in one sentence.

You keep asking me what I've done, and I am not responding to it because my entire point is that individual anecdotes don't mean anything about population level statistics.

What have you done that has any meaning? Your life controls your beliefs and all I hear are excuses and give me other peoples money. Thats called a parasite. Maybe life in America is too hard for you so you think we should change for you.

I worked in health care for 30 years. 4 hospitals and private practice. The poor are treated for free. Often covered by city and local programs.



Move to Europe the food is great.

 

[StarAnus]

What have you done that has any meaning? Your life controls your beliefs and all I hear are excuses and give me other peoples money. Thats called a parasite. Maybe life in America is too hard for you so you think we should change for you.

I worked in health care for 30 years. 4 hospitals and private practice. The poor are treated for free. Often covered by city and local programs.



Move to Europe the food is great.

Again, questioning what my life has been like is a waste of time because it has no bearing on my point. It doesn't matter if anecdotally I am successful or not, or if you had a successful life or not. What matters is what population level statistics show regarding the majority of people on average.

The fact that you keep refusing to engage with this point proves to me that you cannot engage with it.