NYC: disaster - thank team blue for this one.

[d0gbreath]

Its an anchor that will drag down the state. Wealth creators are fleeing more and more. Thank you democrat socialists

You keep mentioning "wealth creators". Do you mean the stingy, high and mighty, that create wealth for themselves only?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Southern states should not be pointing fingers and ding a Nelson about weather related flooding, just saying. God already hates Florida and Louisiana.

 

[StarAnus]

I disagree it is not a power elegated to the federal Government by the Constitution.

Making laws and spending money is definitely a power granted to Congress by the constitution.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Making laws and spending money is definitely a power granted to Congress by the constitution.

the congress has specific powers only not absolute at all. I realize you lefties think you can ignore the Constitution and just do what you want.

 

[BackAgain]

Assuming that everyone has a good paying job, I agree. Unfortunately, that`s not reality.

So? Your magic “cure” is, as always, imposing the cost on everyone else.

From a purely philosophical perspective, by what grant of authority does the government have the legitimate power to spend public tax dollars in that fashion?

It is nice for anyone to help feed another person who is destitute. But, the decision about whether to give money for charity (and how much to give) is ours, individually. It isn’t an authority granted to our government.

 

[BackAgain]

Making laws and spending money is definitely a power granted to Congress by the constitution.

In specifically enumerated matters, sure.

But to simply ignore those enumerated powers is definitely not anything which we granted Congress the authority to do.

The enumerations of authority granted to Congress is not supposed to be something Congress may properly ignore. The enumerated powers are LIMITATIONS on their power.

So your sentiment is less than half baked.

 

[StarAnus]

In specifically enumerated matters, sure.

But to simply ignore those enumerated powers is definitely not anything which we granted Congress the authority to do.

The enumerations of authority granted to Congress is not supposed to be something Congress may properly ignore. The enumerated powers are LIMITATIONS on their power.

So your sentiment is less than half baked.

"provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;"

That would be the first enumerated power, friend.

 

[StarAnus]

the congress has specific powers only not absolute at all. I realize you lefties think you can ignore the Constitution and just do what you want.

Article 1, section 8: "provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;"

 

[BackAgain]

"provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;"

That would be the first enumerated power, friend.

Wrong.

The preamble does not — in any way — authorize Congress to legislate outside of the actual ENUMERATED powers. In fact, if it did, there would be no reason to have limited Congressional authority specifically spelled-out.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

"provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;"

That would be the first enumerated power, friend.

No it isnt an enumerated power it is a prelude and a statement about what the following list powers are meant to do.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Article 1, section 8: "provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;"

if that were the actual enumerated power then they would not have needed to actually go on to list them now would they? that is a preamble stating what the enumerated powers are meant to do.

 

[StarAnus]

Wrong.

The preamble does not — in any way — authorize Congress to legislate outside of the actual ENUMERATED powers. In fact, if it did, there would be no reason to have limited Congressional authority specifically spelled-out.

This is not from the preamble, this is from Article 1, section 8 where the powers of Congress are enumerated. It is the very first enumerated power:

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

 

[StarAnus]

if that were the actual enumerated power then they would not have needed to actually go on to list them now would they? that is a preamble stating what the enumerated powers are meant to do.

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"


Congress has the power to collect taxes to pay debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States. That's clear as crystal. Sorry you don't like the constitution, but that's what it says. Take it up with Hamilton.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

This is not from the preamble, this is from Article 1, section 8 where the powers of Congress are enumerated. It is the very first enumerated power:

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

again stupid if that meant what you claim they would not have needed to list the delegated powers.

 

[StarAnus]

again stupid if that meant what you claim they would not have needed to list the delegated powers.

I am begging you guys to actually read the constitution at some point.

It lays out the enumerated powers as a list in the form of

The Congress shall have the power to...;

To...;

To...;

Every single power is laid out as an item in that list in the form of "Congress shall have the power to...;"

The very first item in the list says Congress shall have the power to tax and spend on the general welfare of the United States. That is the clause which gives Congress the power to tax. If you're saying that's just a preamble that doesn't count as an enumerated power, you have an awful lot of 'splaining to do.

 

[Hafar1014]

You keep mentioning "wealth creators". Do you mean the stingy, high and mighty, that create wealth for themselves only?

They create wealth for you only if youre smart enough to get it. Do you have any skills? Maybe thats the problem youre not worth anything

 

[d0gbreath]

They create wealth for you only if youre smart enough to get it. Do you have any skills? Maybe thats the problem youre not worth anything

I haz gun. And gun skillz. Guess I'm smart enough to get it afterall.

 

[BackAgain]

This is not from the preamble, this is from Article 1, section 8 where the powers of Congress are enumerated. It is the very first enumerated power:

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

Addressing what? The collection of revenues and payment of debts for our national Defense and debts needed the GENERAL Welfare.

Now share with us all how spending taxpayer money on a select group of citizens (and worse yet on non citizens) comes within the ambit of “general welfare.”

Is it really your view that the preamble or anything you just quoted from Article 1 constitutes an exception to the enumerated powers?

That would be the same as forbidding the quartering of troops in our private residences “except” whenever Congress wants to legislate the allowing of it.

So, no. Your analysis is wrong. It is, indeed, darn silly. Your view of “the General Welfare” would allow Congress the ability to simply ignore the enumerated powers restrictions on their authority.

 

[Meathead]

Scandal of the century! Feeding people is money wasted?

Apparently at least in Minnesota it is.

 

[StarAnus]

Addressing what? The collection of revenues and payment of debts for our national Defense and debts needed the GENERAL Welfare.

Now share with us all how spending taxpayer money on a select group of citizens (and worse yet on non citizens) comes within the ambit of “general welfare.”

Is it really your view that the preamble or anything you just quoted from Article 1 constitutes an exception to the enumerated powers?

That would be the same as forbidding the quartering of troops in our private residences “except” whenever Congress wants to legislate the allowing of it.

So, no. Your analysis is wrong. It is, indeed, darn silly. Your view of “the General Welfare” would allow Congress the ability to simply ignore the enumerated powers restrictions on their authority.

I didn't make an analysis, I merely quoted the very first enumerated power in the constitution. It is not a "preamble", it's the first enumerated power. If you don't like what it says, take it up with Hamilton.