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Liberty is find, rejected scientific evidence or any source that does not tell you what you want to hear is not intellectual liberty however, it is mental slavery.
So, socialism just killed 120 million. It is by far the most evil idea in human history and yet Democrats embrace it. It that scientific thinking and plain pure stupidity??
Totolitarian communism killed more than that actually.

As raw, unregulated capitalism has mass killed as well. The trans Atlantic slave trade enslaved 10 million to 12 million and there are no reliable figures on how many died. The Irish potato famine occurred largely due to capitalist notions the market should sort it out and the state not provide mass aid. The list could go on and on as capitalist exploitation of global resources led to global colonialism in the 19th century which killed hundreds of million.

Extremes of any economic ideology kills.

Democratic social welfare states such as Norway or Denmark actually proved their people with a better overall standard of living than the USA.
give us an example of when "unregulated capitalism" mass killed.

Slavery is not a feature of capitalism, moron. Capitalism did not cause the Irish Potato famine. It was the British government that prevented the import of grain to Ireland. That has nothing to do with the free market.

You list is full of the typical bogus examples. When Gengis Khan wiped out entire nations, was that capitalism? Can you define precisely what you believe capitalism is?

I just did, slavery was totally based on capitalism, every historian on the planet will tell you that.

The Triangular Trade, which connected capitalist trading connections with the policy of capitalism. Indeed every aspect of capitalism drove the slave trade, from the rise of insurance to cover risk of the voyages and losses of dead slaves to stock markets which floated stocks in slave trading companies to credit extended with slaves as collateral.

Most of Thomas Jefferson's wealth was due to loans based on his slaves as colleterial.
No you didn't give an example, moron. capitalism is not compatible with slavery.

You are dismissed.


The Irish Potato Famine was directly caused by capitalist philosophy. The British government was being flooded with pleas to offer help, they refused because it violated their capitalist ideology government should not intervene in what they saw as a market rather than a humanitarian disaster.

One could go on and on through the evolution of capitalism.
The British government prevented Ireland from importing grain. A famine caused by government is not an example of capitalism.

You're a moron.


The slaughter of the Native American tribes was often driven by capitalist greed for land, either by individuals or capitalist organisations. The Black Hills were taken from the Native Americans not by the government, but by capitalist individuals and mining companies searching for gold against the government's objections for a time.
In the first place, there's no credible argument that native Americans owned the black hills. In the second place, you're blaming capitalism for government policy. Apparently, no matter what the government does, capitalism is to blame. That's a stupid argument.

And now we come to the biggie, global warming, which if we do nothing about it will end up killing hundreds of millions, that is directly caused by capitalist development of fossil fuels and the capitalist idea consumption and economies should ever grow.
Global warming is a hoax, If anything, fewer people will die if the global climate warms.


"Despite the shortages, the British government decided not to interfere in the marketplace to provide food to the poor Irish, but left food import and distribution to free market forces. Moreover, they allowed foodstuffs – vast amounts of foodstuffs – to be exported from Ireland. Merchants made large profits while people starved. "
That's a giant lie. The British government outlawed the import of cheap American grain.

You need to quit reading Marxist propaganda.

It is clear if you actually read historians and not just the voices in your mind, the British government did not provide relief because they believed market forces should sort it out and even allowed capitalist traders to make money exporting food away from Ireland.

They allowed the free market to make all the decisions and it caused mass death.

Now you can call historians liars because they are telling you something you do not want to know, but that does not make it any less a historical fact.

The Black Hills never belonged to the Lakota Souix?

Not according to the Fort Laramie Treaty between the United States and the Sioux Nation unambiguously recognized their ownership of the land. It is just capitalists Americans rushed in and ignored the treaty to get gold, against the wishes of the US government.

Climate Change a hoax.

So is gravity I suppose or the Moon landing?

climate change is a hoax in the sense that silly communists and socialists in America are making you believe that if you drive a Prius it will make a difference while China and India are adding tremendously to the net carbon content of the atmosphere every day and will continue to do so for decades to come. If it is real the solution is Geo engineering not battery powered cars.

If climate change is a hoax why worry about Geo thermal power?

Now I now those who cannot believe all the science because it is not what they want to hear are never going to be convinced until Florida is under water, even then you will make up some deluded excuse that it had nothing to do with climate change, but the sane world, most of us know it is happening and things have to be done to slow it or adapt.
Still waiting for you to show us anyone who claims the climate doesn't change, Donk.

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The question itself is so ignorant of what climate change is you would be incapable of understanding the answer.

There is plenty of scientific site which explain the difference between short term climate change and a long term warming.

But unless Trump says it, you are not interested.
You claimed someone thinks climate change is a hoax.

You can't back up that claim, Donk.

So, you can post as many times as you want that I don't understand this or that if it makes you feel better, but it won't change the fact I exposed you as an idiot.
Every link I have ever posted on any subject from scientists to economists to historians you have claimed is false or you did not know how to read the charts.

I personally find you engaging, like some dumb beagle where you fake throw the ball and they run off chasing it down the park and into the dark, but there is no real intelligent discussion to be had.

This is a subject of science and beagles do not do science.
There are no Scientist, only High Priests mascarading as Scientists

Science jumped the shark when they tried to tell us Eggs were bad for us, and that the Universe is 14 Billion Light years old, despite the fact that it is 193 Billion light years wide
Fake news. It is eleventy bazillion parsecs thick.

That fake news is fake news.
Thats fake news.

That fake news is faker news than the news that was fake before that news faked it.
Thats fake.

That fake news was faked before the news was news and new news could be faked and used and fake news.

Sam I am.
No, the fake news faked the fake news so that you thought the fake news was fake news, but in reality it was always fake news, Dont fake that you believe the fake news.
 

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If 760 million have the virus, and 1,042,982 die as a direct result.......the fatality rate is not .14%
That would be nearly 105 million dead.

Let me do the math for you: a fatality rate of 0.0013 percent.
Holyfuck, are you ever rightarded. :lmao:

1,042,982 ÷ 760,000,000 = 0.001372345

That result is NOT a percent. To convert it into a percent, you multiply it by 100. Rounding to 2 decimal places becomes 0.14 percent.

Like I always say, conservatives should never go near numbers. They only hurt themselves every time they try.



Your division, just like your intellectual ability, is backwards.


It's 760 million into the million figure.
Jeeeezzzz......


Bet you're a government school grad, huh?

Special ed?
LOLOLOL

You moron, "It's 760 million into the million figure," is the same as the million figure divided by the 760 million, which is what I posted.

Faun: 1,042,982 ÷ 760,000,000 = 0.001372345

You'll note the operator I used ... ÷

I'll teach you what that is since you clearly don't know...

For example:​
6 ÷ 2 = 3​
means 6 divided by 2, which is the division of 6 by 2, which is equal to 3.​
[emphasis added to highlight PoliticalHag's immense ignorance]

What's that you say? You still don't understand??

Here, try using a calculator. It will show you exactly what I said...


Do you see now why you look like such an idiot? I can't believe you're such an imbecile, you'd actually triple down on stupid and post that nonsense rather than simply admit you made a mistake. Actually, just kidding... I totally believe it! :lmao:

Like I always say, conservatives should never go near numbers. They only hurt themselves every time they try.
And just to add a little salt to the wound... PoliticalHag actually said...

If 760 million have the virus, and 1,042,982 die as a direct result.......the fatality rate is not .14%
That would be nearly 105 million dead.


... now watch this ... again, put the following into your calculator...

1,042,982 ÷ 760,000,000 =​


You'll get ... 0.001372345

Now comes the fun part... now press the [%] key ... and *BOOM*

You get 0.1372345 percent, or rounded as 0.14 percent, the very figure PoliticalHag said is wrong.



Like I always say, conservatives should never go near numbers. They only hurt themselves every time they try.

Are ya feeling stupid yet, PoliticalHag? Or are you too stupid to feel stupid?

:abgg2q.jpg:



So your conclusion is that the death rate is one eighth of one percent?


But closing the economy is required for that fatality rate?


What is the death rate for the seasonal flu?
How about the rate for fatal car accidents? Do we ban all cars, or require that they only go 30 miles an hour? I'm risking my life more every day by driving to and from work than I am with Covid-19.




At some point, either leftists are going to have to learn that life is risky and no one gets out of it alive, no matter what the government does, or we're going to have to just ignore them.

"How about the rate for fatal car accidents? "

Only if Trump says he is for cars.
 

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Liberty is find, rejected scientific evidence or any source that does not tell you what you want to hear is not intellectual liberty however, it is mental slavery.
So, socialism just killed 120 million. It is by far the most evil idea in human history and yet Democrats embrace it. It that scientific thinking and plain pure stupidity??
Totolitarian communism killed more than that actually.

As raw, unregulated capitalism has mass killed as well. The trans Atlantic slave trade enslaved 10 million to 12 million and there are no reliable figures on how many died. The Irish potato famine occurred largely due to capitalist notions the market should sort it out and the state not provide mass aid. The list could go on and on as capitalist exploitation of global resources led to global colonialism in the 19th century which killed hundreds of million.

Extremes of any economic ideology kills.

Democratic social welfare states such as Norway or Denmark actually proved their people with a better overall standard of living than the USA.
give us an example of when "unregulated capitalism" mass killed.

Slavery is not a feature of capitalism, moron. Capitalism did not cause the Irish Potato famine. It was the British government that prevented the import of grain to Ireland. That has nothing to do with the free market.

You list is full of the typical bogus examples. When Gengis Khan wiped out entire nations, was that capitalism? Can you define precisely what you believe capitalism is?

I just did, slavery was totally based on capitalism, every historian on the planet will tell you that.

The Triangular Trade, which connected capitalist trading connections with the policy of capitalism. Indeed every aspect of capitalism drove the slave trade, from the rise of insurance to cover risk of the voyages and losses of dead slaves to stock markets which floated stocks in slave trading companies to credit extended with slaves as collateral.

Most of Thomas Jefferson's wealth was due to loans based on his slaves as colleterial.
No you didn't give an example, moron. capitalism is not compatible with slavery.

You are dismissed.


The Irish Potato Famine was directly caused by capitalist philosophy. The British government was being flooded with pleas to offer help, they refused because it violated their capitalist ideology government should not intervene in what they saw as a market rather than a humanitarian disaster.

One could go on and on through the evolution of capitalism.
The British government prevented Ireland from importing grain. A famine caused by government is not an example of capitalism.

You're a moron.


The slaughter of the Native American tribes was often driven by capitalist greed for land, either by individuals or capitalist organisations. The Black Hills were taken from the Native Americans not by the government, but by capitalist individuals and mining companies searching for gold against the government's objections for a time.
In the first place, there's no credible argument that native Americans owned the black hills. In the second place, you're blaming capitalism for government policy. Apparently, no matter what the government does, capitalism is to blame. That's a stupid argument.

And now we come to the biggie, global warming, which if we do nothing about it will end up killing hundreds of millions, that is directly caused by capitalist development of fossil fuels and the capitalist idea consumption and economies should ever grow.
Global warming is a hoax, If anything, fewer people will die if the global climate warms.


"Despite the shortages, the British government decided not to interfere in the marketplace to provide food to the poor Irish, but left food import and distribution to free market forces. Moreover, they allowed foodstuffs – vast amounts of foodstuffs – to be exported from Ireland. Merchants made large profits while people starved. "
That's a giant lie. The British government outlawed the import of cheap American grain.

You need to quit reading Marxist propaganda.

It is clear if you actually read historians and not just the voices in your mind, the British government did not provide relief because they believed market forces should sort it out and even allowed capitalist traders to make money exporting food away from Ireland.

They allowed the free market to make all the decisions and it caused mass death.

Now you can call historians liars because they are telling you something you do not want to know, but that does not make it any less a historical fact.

The Black Hills never belonged to the Lakota Souix?

Not according to the Fort Laramie Treaty between the United States and the Sioux Nation unambiguously recognized their ownership of the land. It is just capitalists Americans rushed in and ignored the treaty to get gold, against the wishes of the US government.

Climate Change a hoax.

So is gravity I suppose or the Moon landing?

climate change is a hoax in the sense that silly communists and socialists in America are making you believe that if you drive a Prius it will make a difference while China and India are adding tremendously to the net carbon content of the atmosphere every day and will continue to do so for decades to come. If it is real the solution is Geo engineering not battery powered cars.

If climate change is a hoax why worry about Geo thermal power?

Now I now those who cannot believe all the science because it is not what they want to hear are never going to be convinced until Florida is under water, even then you will make up some deluded excuse that it had nothing to do with climate change, but the sane world, most of us know it is happening and things have to be done to slow it or adapt.
I don't worry about geothermal power. I don't believe in hoaxes, and the AGW theory is an obvious hoax. None of the predictions made by the people who support this nonsense has come true. They have been wrong time after time after time.

You can't know what you can't know. You only wish it were true so you can preach your end-of-the-world nonsese where you get to run everyone else's life.
 
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Liberty is find, rejected scientific evidence or any source that does not tell you what you want to hear is not intellectual liberty however, it is mental slavery.
So, socialism just killed 120 million. It is by far the most evil idea in human history and yet Democrats embrace it. It that scientific thinking and plain pure stupidity??
Totolitarian communism killed more than that actually.

As raw, unregulated capitalism has mass killed as well. The trans Atlantic slave trade enslaved 10 million to 12 million and there are no reliable figures on how many died. The Irish potato famine occurred largely due to capitalist notions the market should sort it out and the state not provide mass aid. The list could go on and on as capitalist exploitation of global resources led to global colonialism in the 19th century which killed hundreds of million.

Extremes of any economic ideology kills.

Democratic social welfare states such as Norway or Denmark actually proved their people with a better overall standard of living than the USA.
give us an example of when "unregulated capitalism" mass killed.

Slavery is not a feature of capitalism, moron. Capitalism did not cause the Irish Potato famine. It was the British government that prevented the import of grain to Ireland. That has nothing to do with the free market.

You list is full of the typical bogus examples. When Gengis Khan wiped out entire nations, was that capitalism? Can you define precisely what you believe capitalism is?

I just did, slavery was totally based on capitalism, every historian on the planet will tell you that.

The Triangular Trade, which connected capitalist trading connections with the policy of capitalism. Indeed every aspect of capitalism drove the slave trade, from the rise of insurance to cover risk of the voyages and losses of dead slaves to stock markets which floated stocks in slave trading companies to credit extended with slaves as collateral.

Most of Thomas Jefferson's wealth was due to loans based on his slaves as colleterial.
No you didn't give an example, moron. capitalism is not compatible with slavery.

You are dismissed.


The Irish Potato Famine was directly caused by capitalist philosophy. The British government was being flooded with pleas to offer help, they refused because it violated their capitalist ideology government should not intervene in what they saw as a market rather than a humanitarian disaster.

One could go on and on through the evolution of capitalism.
The British government prevented Ireland from importing grain. A famine caused by government is not an example of capitalism.

You're a moron.


The slaughter of the Native American tribes was often driven by capitalist greed for land, either by individuals or capitalist organisations. The Black Hills were taken from the Native Americans not by the government, but by capitalist individuals and mining companies searching for gold against the government's objections for a time.
In the first place, there's no credible argument that native Americans owned the black hills. In the second place, you're blaming capitalism for government policy. Apparently, no matter what the government does, capitalism is to blame. That's a stupid argument.

And now we come to the biggie, global warming, which if we do nothing about it will end up killing hundreds of millions, that is directly caused by capitalist development of fossil fuels and the capitalist idea consumption and economies should ever grow.
Global warming is a hoax, If anything, fewer people will die if the global climate warms.


"Despite the shortages, the British government decided not to interfere in the marketplace to provide food to the poor Irish, but left food import and distribution to free market forces. Moreover, they allowed foodstuffs – vast amounts of foodstuffs – to be exported from Ireland. Merchants made large profits while people starved. "
That's a giant lie. The British government outlawed the import of cheap American grain.

You need to quit reading Marxist propaganda.

It is clear if you actually read historians and not just the voices in your mind, the British government did not provide relief because they believed market forces should sort it out and even allowed capitalist traders to make money exporting food away from Ireland.

They allowed the free market to make all the decisions and it caused mass death.

Now you can call historians liars because they are telling you something you do not want to know, but that does not make it any less a historical fact.

The Black Hills never belonged to the Lakota Souix?

Not according to the Fort Laramie Treaty between the United States and the Sioux Nation unambiguously recognized their ownership of the land. It is just capitalists Americans rushed in and ignored the treaty to get gold, against the wishes of the US government.

Climate Change a hoax.

So is gravity I suppose or the Moon landing?

climate change is a hoax in the sense that silly communists and socialists in America are making you believe that if you drive a Prius it will make a difference while China and India are adding tremendously to the net carbon content of the atmosphere every day and will continue to do so for decades to come. If it is real the solution is Geo engineering not battery powered cars.

If climate change is a hoax why worry about Geo thermal power?

Now I now those who cannot believe all the science because it is not what they want to hear are never going to be convinced until Florida is under water, even then you will make up some deluded excuse that it had nothing to do with climate change, but the sane world, most of us know it is happening and things have to be done to slow it or adapt.
Still waiting for you to show us anyone who claims the climate doesn't change, Donk.

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The question itself is so ignorant of what climate change is you would be incapable of understanding the answer.

There is plenty of scientific site which explain the difference between short term climate change and a long term warming.

But unless Trump says it, you are not interested.
I laughed at the climate change hoax over 20 years ago.
 

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And that of course would be the case through out the world, so we can still rationally compare outcomes and Germany's outcome is much better than America's.
NO. That is NOT the case throughout the world unless the CDC is now managing the health of the entire planet.
The subject is how the CDC inflated deaths in the US by attributing all deaths to the Chinese originated
covid virus if the virus was present at all. So much so that the CDC was pressured into changing that policy.

Nevertheless that policy was in place for months and the US death toll remains inflated and uncorrected
and you remain disingenuous.

All countries are using that methodology, they have an "excess death mythology" as defined as " A range of estimates for the number of excess deaths was calculated as the difference between the observed count and one of two thresholds (either the average expected count or the upper bound threshold), by week and jurisdiction. Negative values, where the observed count fell below the threshold, were set to zero."

And the method of if one did not have a prognosis of death within the year and contracted COVID it is counted across the globe as a Covid related death.

There is no world health body, or American for that matter, which believes the USA is doing well in this pandemic.

Just wishing Americans were not dropping like flies by playing semantics with the numbers is not going to save any American lives.
America is far from the worst record when it comes to covid deaths and far from the best.
I know it serves your agenda to state otherwise, however. Saying we are "dropping like flies" is disingenuous and misleading and it won't win Joe the election you so desperately want.
Nothing will including all the post election chaos and disorder the left has planned.


As things stand right now we will have a covid vaccine soon and society will begin to come out of
politicized lockdown box leftist swine has tried to keep us in.

Joe Biden and all the Karens can wear their little masks all day long, if it thrills them to do so.

Only Spain in Europe has a worse death per 100K rate right now.

As in the chart I have provided in this thread many times.
Just to be clear....

There are other countries...just not in Europe....that have worse rates.
Also, we pay our hospitals more for treating COVID, so anyone who dies, that has COVID is listed as a "COVID" death, whereas in most countries unless COVID is actually what caused your death, your cause of death is not listed as COVID. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
Medical stats from country to country are NEVER an apples-to-apples comparison, because they don't compile ANY medical stats the same way we do. How many times have we heard the canard that infant mortality in the US is so much worse than the rest of the world, only to find out that it's largely because other countries simply don't count children who die in the first week of life as ever having existed at all?

On COVID the death rates per 100k most developed nations are using the same method, indeed it is the USA that most world health bodies are concerned are vastly under reporting due to your fragment health care system run by 50 different states. Some estimates are that the USA is under reporting by 33%.
You mean our health care system that bodies the DHSC for legit life threatening diseases like cancer. Our health care system where you can actually get the surgery you need within a week. Our healthcare system that the rest of the world, except Switzerland, has been leaching off of our innovation and the tens of billions we drop into R+D every year. That healthcare system? Y’all treat the healthy for dumb shit like broken arms and infections, while taxing the fuck out of your citizens and pretend like you’re hero’s for doing so. Meanwhile Canada sends all their cancer patients TO ME, to get the very best treatment that WE develop, and then pay for it. Your nurses and doctors are garbage. When y’all can start actually saving your cancer patients and stop sending them to me, and actually preform surgeries on things like joint replacements that aren’t outdated 30 years, when your hospitals have as many top of the line critical care beds as ours do, when you actually do your part in the world and start developing drugs, procedures, and technologies...then you can lecture us on our healthcare.

Me and my wife both work in one of the largest hospitals right next to the covid epicenter. We’re over reporting. 100%. Notice how the flu has effectively disappeared? In this current “spike”, we have 6 covid patients who are actually suffering from covid, among other things.
Australia has similar wait times as the USA, in fact shorter wait times for GP visits, yet gets far better results in every macro category except breast cancer treatment, and even there we are just behind the USA.

All at much cheaper cost.
BECUASE YOU SEND YOUR WORST CANCER PATIENTS TO US TO FIX. Ipso facto, y’all fucks don’t take the hit in death rates. We take on the worst cases, and still have a better death rate than all of y’all. Turns out, it’s pretty easy to take care of healthy people. In Europe they go to Switzerland. What’s the last medical innovation that came out of Australia? At least the French have Sanofi. Stop fucking swimming in our wake. We’re basically subsidizing the entire globes R+D. We’ve been subsidizing NATOs defense spending for decades. We just invented a goddamn missile that goes Mach 45. Why? Because y’all made incredibly stupid deals with China and now you’re having buyers remorse. And now we’re gonna have to arm you once again. What have you done recently for me Australia? The fucking gall of you foreigners who come here and lecture us about our politics while we’re the ones putting in the elbow grease to make YOUR lives better, healthier, and safer.

No we do not actually.

Australia has the best cancer treatment survival rates in the world.


Here is a good article about Australian heath care and why over all it gets better outcomes than the USA at much lower cost.

Nobody cares about your healthcare system....especially the spin from America hating Vox idiots.

You don't have to care.

You can continue to naval gaze as many Americans love to do.

I am just throwing the facts out there for the intelligent minority of Americans to consider.

Intelligent people learn from the rest of the world, both good and bad.
Facts? The only thing you threw out was Vox bullshit.

I understand, the cult of Trump only believes anything Trump says, nothing else.

All cults work this way.
what cult? Trump and Republicans are about limited govt or individual liberty while Dims are about cult-like socialist group behavior. You need to think before you post.
Trump is hardly about limited government, indeed he loved government tax subsidies in almost every last building he ever put up, and he is one of the biggest spenders of tax dollars in US history.
no one said he was about limited government. I said he was primarily a capitalist which is very much about limited government and very much on the ballot in November while the opposition is treasonous and socialist Like we have never seen in America before. Now do you understand?
... Trump is not a limited government man...
Give your definition of a "limited government person".
... When it benefits Trump he spends money like a drunken sailor, when it benefits him to cut he cuts money...
In our system, the House of Representatives has the greatest power over the Purse.
 

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Liberty is find, rejected scientific evidence or any source that does not tell you what you want to hear is not intellectual liberty however, it is mental slavery.
So, socialism just killed 120 million. It is by far the most evil idea in human history and yet Democrats embrace it. It that scientific thinking and plain pure stupidity??
Totolitarian communism killed more than that actually.

As raw, unregulated capitalism has mass killed as well. The trans Atlantic slave trade enslaved 10 million to 12 million and there are no reliable figures on how many died. The Irish potato famine occurred largely due to capitalist notions the market should sort it out and the state not provide mass aid. The list could go on and on as capitalist exploitation of global resources led to global colonialism in the 19th century which killed hundreds of million.

Extremes of any economic ideology kills.

Democratic social welfare states such as Norway or Denmark actually proved their people with a better overall standard of living than the USA.
give us an example of when "unregulated capitalism" mass killed.

Slavery is not a feature of capitalism, moron. Capitalism did not cause the Irish Potato famine. It was the British government that prevented the import of grain to Ireland. That has nothing to do with the free market.

You list is full of the typical bogus examples. When Gengis Khan wiped out entire nations, was that capitalism? Can you define precisely what you believe capitalism is?

I just did, slavery was totally based on capitalism, every historian on the planet will tell you that.

The Triangular Trade, which connected capitalist trading connections with the policy of capitalism. Indeed every aspect of capitalism drove the slave trade, from the rise of insurance to cover risk of the voyages and losses of dead slaves to stock markets which floated stocks in slave trading companies to credit extended with slaves as collateral.

Most of Thomas Jefferson's wealth was due to loans based on his slaves as colleterial.
No you didn't give an example, moron. capitalism is not compatible with slavery.

You are dismissed.


The Irish Potato Famine was directly caused by capitalist philosophy. The British government was being flooded with pleas to offer help, they refused because it violated their capitalist ideology government should not intervene in what they saw as a market rather than a humanitarian disaster.

One could go on and on through the evolution of capitalism.
The British government prevented Ireland from importing grain. A famine caused by government is not an example of capitalism.

You're a moron.


The slaughter of the Native American tribes was often driven by capitalist greed for land, either by individuals or capitalist organisations. The Black Hills were taken from the Native Americans not by the government, but by capitalist individuals and mining companies searching for gold against the government's objections for a time.
In the first place, there's no credible argument that native Americans owned the black hills. In the second place, you're blaming capitalism for government policy. Apparently, no matter what the government does, capitalism is to blame. That's a stupid argument.

And now we come to the biggie, global warming, which if we do nothing about it will end up killing hundreds of millions, that is directly caused by capitalist development of fossil fuels and the capitalist idea consumption and economies should ever grow.
Global warming is a hoax, If anything, fewer people will die if the global climate warms.


"Despite the shortages, the British government decided not to interfere in the marketplace to provide food to the poor Irish, but left food import and distribution to free market forces. Moreover, they allowed foodstuffs – vast amounts of foodstuffs – to be exported from Ireland. Merchants made large profits while people starved. "
That's a giant lie. The British government outlawed the import of cheap American grain.

You need to quit reading Marxist propaganda.

It is clear if you actually read historians and not just the voices in your mind, the British government did not provide relief because they believed market forces should sort it out and even allowed capitalist traders to make money exporting food away from Ireland.

They allowed the free market to make all the decisions and it caused mass death.

Now you can call historians liars because they are telling you something you do not want to know, but that does not make it any less a historical fact.

The Black Hills never belonged to the Lakota Souix?

Not according to the Fort Laramie Treaty between the United States and the Sioux Nation unambiguously recognized their ownership of the land. It is just capitalists Americans rushed in and ignored the treaty to get gold, against the wishes of the US government.

Climate Change a hoax.

So is gravity I suppose or the Moon landing?

climate change is a hoax in the sense that silly communists and socialists in America are making you believe that if you drive a Prius it will make a difference while China and India are adding tremendously to the net carbon content of the atmosphere every day and will continue to do so for decades to come. If it is real the solution is Geo engineering not battery powered cars.

Yes the moon landing was a hoax and 5G towers will control your mind and vaccines are mind control drugs.
And that of course would be the case through out the world, so we can still rationally compare outcomes and Germany's outcome is much better than America's.
NO. That is NOT the case throughout the world unless the CDC is now managing the health of the entire planet.
The subject is how the CDC inflated deaths in the US by attributing all deaths to the Chinese originated
covid virus if the virus was present at all. So much so that the CDC was pressured into changing that policy.

Nevertheless that policy was in place for months and the US death toll remains inflated and uncorrected
and you remain disingenuous.

All countries are using that methodology, they have an "excess death mythology" as defined as " A range of estimates for the number of excess deaths was calculated as the difference between the observed count and one of two thresholds (either the average expected count or the upper bound threshold), by week and jurisdiction. Negative values, where the observed count fell below the threshold, were set to zero."

And the method of if one did not have a prognosis of death within the year and contracted COVID it is counted across the globe as a Covid related death.

There is no world health body, or American for that matter, which believes the USA is doing well in this pandemic.

Just wishing Americans were not dropping like flies by playing semantics with the numbers is not going to save any American lives.
America is far from the worst record when it comes to covid deaths and far from the best.
I know it serves your agenda to state otherwise, however. Saying we are "dropping like flies" is disingenuous and misleading and it won't win Joe the election you so desperately want.
Nothing will including all the post election chaos and disorder the left has planned.


As things stand right now we will have a covid vaccine soon and society will begin to come out of
politicized lockdown box leftist swine has tried to keep us in.

Joe Biden and all the Karens can wear their little masks all day long, if it thrills them to do so.

Only Spain in Europe has a worse death per 100K rate right now.

As in the chart I have provided in this thread many times.
Just to be clear....

There are other countries...just not in Europe....that have worse rates.
Also, we pay our hospitals more for treating COVID, so anyone who dies, that has COVID is listed as a "COVID" death, whereas in most countries unless COVID is actually what caused your death, your cause of death is not listed as COVID. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
Medical stats from country to country are NEVER an apples-to-apples comparison, because they don't compile ANY medical stats the same way we do. How many times have we heard the canard that infant mortality in the US is so much worse than the rest of the world, only to find out that it's largely because other countries simply don't count children who die in the first week of life as ever having existed at all?

On COVID the death rates per 100k most developed nations are using the same method, indeed it is the USA that most world health bodies are concerned are vastly under reporting due to your fragment health care system run by 50 different states. Some estimates are that the USA is under reporting by 33%.
You mean our health care system that bodies the DHSC for legit life threatening diseases like cancer. Our health care system where you can actually get the surgery you need within a week. Our healthcare system that the rest of the world, except Switzerland, has been leaching off of our innovation and the tens of billions we drop into R+D every year. That healthcare system? Y’all treat the healthy for dumb shit like broken arms and infections, while taxing the fuck out of your citizens and pretend like you’re hero’s for doing so. Meanwhile Canada sends all their cancer patients TO ME, to get the very best treatment that WE develop, and then pay for it. Your nurses and doctors are garbage. When y’all can start actually saving your cancer patients and stop sending them to me, and actually preform surgeries on things like joint replacements that aren’t outdated 30 years, when your hospitals have as many top of the line critical care beds as ours do, when you actually do your part in the world and start developing drugs, procedures, and technologies...then you can lecture us on our healthcare.

Me and my wife both work in one of the largest hospitals right next to the covid epicenter. We’re over reporting. 100%. Notice how the flu has effectively disappeared? In this current “spike”, we have 6 covid patients who are actually suffering from covid, among other things.
Australia has similar wait times as the USA, in fact shorter wait times for GP visits, yet gets far better results in every macro category except breast cancer treatment, and even there we are just behind the USA.

All at much cheaper cost.
BECUASE YOU SEND YOUR WORST CANCER PATIENTS TO US TO FIX. Ipso facto, y’all fucks don’t take the hit in death rates. We take on the worst cases, and still have a better death rate than all of y’all. Turns out, it’s pretty easy to take care of healthy people. In Europe they go to Switzerland. What’s the last medical innovation that came out of Australia? At least the French have Sanofi. Stop fucking swimming in our wake. We’re basically subsidizing the entire globes R+D. We’ve been subsidizing NATOs defense spending for decades. We just invented a goddamn missile that goes Mach 45. Why? Because y’all made incredibly stupid deals with China and now you’re having buyers remorse. And now we’re gonna have to arm you once again. What have you done recently for me Australia? The fucking gall of you foreigners who come here and lecture us about our politics while we’re the ones putting in the elbow grease to make YOUR lives better, healthier, and safer.

No we do not actually.

Australia has the best cancer treatment survival rates in the world.


Here is a good article about Australian heath care and why over all it gets better outcomes than the USA at much lower cost.

Nobody cares about your healthcare system....especially the spin from America hating Vox idiots.

You don't have to care.

You can continue to naval gaze as many Americans love to do.

I am just throwing the facts out there for the intelligent minority of Americans to consider.

Intelligent people learn from the rest of the world, both good and bad.
Facts? The only thing you threw out was Vox bullshit.

I understand, the cult of Trump only believes anything Trump says, nothing else.

All cults work this way.
You sound as if you are involved in the cult of the bubble.
A real true believer.

Though only thing I believe in is scientific method, blue skies and cold Australian beer, the rest is just an opinion.
You believe in global warming, so you don't believe in the scientific method.

Yes I do and so does NASA.

You mean some political hacks in NASA believe in it. As a space agency, Nasa political hacks make great climate scientists.

No that is the official position of the agency as well as most scientists (though not all) in the entire world.

I am sure you can find a few meth addles scientists who disagree.
Science doesn't have anything to do with "official positions." That's politics, not science.

Plenty of real scientists disgree. NASA bureaucrats are not scientists.

You do know NASA has scientists in it?

They put a man on the moon, not the PR guy announcing how they did it.

Jesus American education has totally collapsed since I left.

And you have never won a war since I left.

My leaving was a tragedy for America.
Because Australians have been winning wars left and right, and inventing shit left and right... We had to bail your dingo asses out with a crippled navy from the Japanese. while bailing out your brothers across the pond from the nazis, all while bailing out the soviets with weapons and equipment. How many countries are you protecting with your aircraft carriers...oh wait you have none. Y’all can’t even protect your tourist from crocodiles. Oh yeah, let’s not forget, you can count the war against ISIS, the only terrorist organization to take and hold mass swathes of land and operate as a country, as a win for the US. We’re the only ones holding China and Russia at bay The only ones to actually do something when assholes use chemical weapons against civilian pops. Name me something Australia has done or stop talking shit, go back to your stupid island, and get bit by your stupid trap door spiders, and die of priapism
Well America has not been able to win the last two wars, and then there is Vietnam.

Still we are a small nation, we will never be a global power but we do like our global power of choice to be competent, and America is not at the moment.

As to WWII we were fighting in World War Two while Americans were hiding behind two oceans pretending it had nothing to do with the USA.

Pearl Harbour woke you up from that cowardly dream.

And Australians are the first nation in World War Two to have a victory over Japanese forces in a land battle at Kokoda.
Fake News.

The Japanese had advanced to within sight of Port Moresby but withdrew on 26 September. They had outrun their supply line and had been ordered to withdraw in consequence of reverses suffered at Guadalcanal where US Marines were kicking their asses.

16 November, 1942, two brigades of the Australian 7th Division had crossed the Kumusi River at Wairopi, and advanced on the Japanese beachheads in a joint Australian and United States operation. So you are bad-mouthing us when we were fighting shoulder to shoulder with you and together we were prevailing.
 

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And that of course would be the case through out the world, so we can still rationally compare outcomes and Germany's outcome is much better than America's.
NO. That is NOT the case throughout the world unless the CDC is now managing the health of the entire planet.
The subject is how the CDC inflated deaths in the US by attributing all deaths to the Chinese originated
covid virus if the virus was present at all. So much so that the CDC was pressured into changing that policy.

Nevertheless that policy was in place for months and the US death toll remains inflated and uncorrected
and you remain disingenuous.

All countries are using that methodology, they have an "excess death mythology" as defined as " A range of estimates for the number of excess deaths was calculated as the difference between the observed count and one of two thresholds (either the average expected count or the upper bound threshold), by week and jurisdiction. Negative values, where the observed count fell below the threshold, were set to zero."

And the method of if one did not have a prognosis of death within the year and contracted COVID it is counted across the globe as a Covid related death.

There is no world health body, or American for that matter, which believes the USA is doing well in this pandemic.

Just wishing Americans were not dropping like flies by playing semantics with the numbers is not going to save any American lives.
America is far from the worst record when it comes to covid deaths and far from the best.
I know it serves your agenda to state otherwise, however. Saying we are "dropping like flies" is disingenuous and misleading and it won't win Joe the election you so desperately want.
Nothing will including all the post election chaos and disorder the left has planned.


As things stand right now we will have a covid vaccine soon and society will begin to come out of
politicized lockdown box leftist swine has tried to keep us in.

Joe Biden and all the Karens can wear their little masks all day long, if it thrills them to do so.

Only Spain in Europe has a worse death per 100K rate right now.

As in the chart I have provided in this thread many times.
Just to be clear....

There are other countries...just not in Europe....that have worse rates.
Also, we pay our hospitals more for treating COVID, so anyone who dies, that has COVID is listed as a "COVID" death, whereas in most countries unless COVID is actually what caused your death, your cause of death is not listed as COVID. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
Medical stats from country to country are NEVER an apples-to-apples comparison, because they don't compile ANY medical stats the same way we do. How many times have we heard the canard that infant mortality in the US is so much worse than the rest of the world, only to find out that it's largely because other countries simply don't count children who die in the first week of life as ever having existed at all?

On COVID the death rates per 100k most developed nations are using the same method, indeed it is the USA that most world health bodies are concerned are vastly under reporting due to your fragment health care system run by 50 different states. Some estimates are that the USA is under reporting by 33%.
You mean our health care system that bodies the DHSC for legit life threatening diseases like cancer. Our health care system where you can actually get the surgery you need within a week. Our healthcare system that the rest of the world, except Switzerland, has been leaching off of our innovation and the tens of billions we drop into R+D every year. That healthcare system? Y’all treat the healthy for dumb shit like broken arms and infections, while taxing the fuck out of your citizens and pretend like you’re hero’s for doing so. Meanwhile Canada sends all their cancer patients TO ME, to get the very best treatment that WE develop, and then pay for it. Your nurses and doctors are garbage. When y’all can start actually saving your cancer patients and stop sending them to me, and actually preform surgeries on things like joint replacements that aren’t outdated 30 years, when your hospitals have as many top of the line critical care beds as ours do, when you actually do your part in the world and start developing drugs, procedures, and technologies...then you can lecture us on our healthcare.

Me and my wife both work in one of the largest hospitals right next to the covid epicenter. We’re over reporting. 100%. Notice how the flu has effectively disappeared? In this current “spike”, we have 6 covid patients who are actually suffering from covid, among other things.
Australia has similar wait times as the USA, in fact shorter wait times for GP visits, yet gets far better results in every macro category except breast cancer treatment, and even there we are just behind the USA.

All at much cheaper cost.
BECUASE YOU SEND YOUR WORST CANCER PATIENTS TO US TO FIX. Ipso facto, y’all fucks don’t take the hit in death rates. We take on the worst cases, and still have a better death rate than all of y’all. Turns out, it’s pretty easy to take care of healthy people. In Europe they go to Switzerland. What’s the last medical innovation that came out of Australia? At least the French have Sanofi. Stop fucking swimming in our wake. We’re basically subsidizing the entire globes R+D. We’ve been subsidizing NATOs defense spending for decades. We just invented a goddamn missile that goes Mach 45. Why? Because y’all made incredibly stupid deals with China and now you’re having buyers remorse. And now we’re gonna have to arm you once again. What have you done recently for me Australia? The fucking gall of you foreigners who come here and lecture us about our politics while we’re the ones putting in the elbow grease to make YOUR lives better, healthier, and safer.

No we do not actually.

Australia has the best cancer treatment survival rates in the world.


Here is a good article about Australian heath care and why over all it gets better outcomes than the USA at much lower cost.

Nobody cares about your healthcare system....especially the spin from America hating Vox idiots.

You don't have to care.

You can continue to naval gaze as many Americans love to do.

I am just throwing the facts out there for the intelligent minority of Americans to consider.

Intelligent people learn from the rest of the world, both good and bad.
Facts? The only thing you threw out was Vox bullshit.

I understand, the cult of Trump only believes anything Trump says, nothing else.

All cults work this way.
You sound as if you are involved in the cult of the bubble.
A real true believer.

Though only thing I believe in is scientific method, blue skies and cold Australian beer, the rest is just an opinion.
You believe in global warming, so you don't believe in the scientific method.

Yes I do and so does NASA.

You mean some political hacks in NASA believe in it. As a space agency, Nasa political hacks make great climate scientists.

No that is the official position of the agency as well as most scientists (though not all) in the entire world.

I am sure you can find a few meth addles scientists who disagree.
Science doesn't have anything to do with "official positions." That's politics, not science.

Plenty of real scientists disgree. NASA bureaucrats are not scientists.

You do know NASA has scientists in it?

They put a man on the moon, not the PR guy announcing how they did it.

Jesus American education has totally collapsed since I left.

And you have never won a war since I left.

My leaving was a tragedy for America.
Because Australians have been winning wars left and right, and inventing shit left and right... We had to bail your dingo asses out with a crippled navy from the Japanese. while bailing out your brothers across the pond from the nazis, all while bailing out the soviets with weapons and equipment. How many countries are you protecting with your aircraft carriers...oh wait you have none. Y’all can’t even protect your tourist from crocodiles. Oh yeah, let’s not forget, you can count the war against ISIS, the only terrorist organization to take and hold mass swathes of land and operate as a country, as a win for the US. We’re the only ones holding China and Russia at bay The only ones to actually do something when assholes use chemical weapons against civilian pops. Name me something Australia has done or stop talking shit, go back to your stupid island, and get bit by your stupid trap door spiders, and die of priapism
Don't let this clown sour you against the Aussies. They have fought shoulder to shoulder with the US in war after war, and they fight very well. He sounds more like a Leftwing US x-pat than an Aussie.

As China confirms itself as an Outlaw Nation, should they turn to external aggression, it will be the combined navies of The Quad (US/Japan/India/Australia) that hold the line at The First Island chain.
 
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And that of course would be the case through out the world, so we can still rationally compare outcomes and Germany's outcome is much better than America's.
NO. That is NOT the case throughout the world unless the CDC is now managing the health of the entire planet.
The subject is how the CDC inflated deaths in the US by attributing all deaths to the Chinese originated
covid virus if the virus was present at all. So much so that the CDC was pressured into changing that policy.

Nevertheless that policy was in place for months and the US death toll remains inflated and uncorrected
and you remain disingenuous.

All countries are using that methodology, they have an "excess death mythology" as defined as " A range of estimates for the number of excess deaths was calculated as the difference between the observed count and one of two thresholds (either the average expected count or the upper bound threshold), by week and jurisdiction. Negative values, where the observed count fell below the threshold, were set to zero."

And the method of if one did not have a prognosis of death within the year and contracted COVID it is counted across the globe as a Covid related death.

There is no world health body, or American for that matter, which believes the USA is doing well in this pandemic.

Just wishing Americans were not dropping like flies by playing semantics with the numbers is not going to save any American lives.
America is far from the worst record when it comes to covid deaths and far from the best.
I know it serves your agenda to state otherwise, however. Saying we are "dropping like flies" is disingenuous and misleading and it won't win Joe the election you so desperately want.
Nothing will including all the post election chaos and disorder the left has planned.


As things stand right now we will have a covid vaccine soon and society will begin to come out of
politicized lockdown box leftist swine has tried to keep us in.

Joe Biden and all the Karens can wear their little masks all day long, if it thrills them to do so.

Only Spain in Europe has a worse death per 100K rate right now.

As in the chart I have provided in this thread many times.
Just to be clear....

There are other countries...just not in Europe....that have worse rates.
Also, we pay our hospitals more for treating COVID, so anyone who dies, that has COVID is listed as a "COVID" death, whereas in most countries unless COVID is actually what caused your death, your cause of death is not listed as COVID. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
Medical stats from country to country are NEVER an apples-to-apples comparison, because they don't compile ANY medical stats the same way we do. How many times have we heard the canard that infant mortality in the US is so much worse than the rest of the world, only to find out that it's largely because other countries simply don't count children who die in the first week of life as ever having existed at all?

On COVID the death rates per 100k most developed nations are using the same method, indeed it is the USA that most world health bodies are concerned are vastly under reporting due to your fragment health care system run by 50 different states. Some estimates are that the USA is under reporting by 33%.
You mean our health care system that bodies the DHSC for legit life threatening diseases like cancer. Our health care system where you can actually get the surgery you need within a week. Our healthcare system that the rest of the world, except Switzerland, has been leaching off of our innovation and the tens of billions we drop into R+D every year. That healthcare system? Y’all treat the healthy for dumb shit like broken arms and infections, while taxing the fuck out of your citizens and pretend like you’re hero’s for doing so. Meanwhile Canada sends all their cancer patients TO ME, to get the very best treatment that WE develop, and then pay for it. Your nurses and doctors are garbage. When y’all can start actually saving your cancer patients and stop sending them to me, and actually preform surgeries on things like joint replacements that aren’t outdated 30 years, when your hospitals have as many top of the line critical care beds as ours do, when you actually do your part in the world and start developing drugs, procedures, and technologies...then you can lecture us on our healthcare.

Me and my wife both work in one of the largest hospitals right next to the covid epicenter. We’re over reporting. 100%. Notice how the flu has effectively disappeared? In this current “spike”, we have 6 covid patients who are actually suffering from covid, among other things.
Australia has similar wait times as the USA, in fact shorter wait times for GP visits, yet gets far better results in every macro category except breast cancer treatment, and even there we are just behind the USA.

All at much cheaper cost.
BECUASE YOU SEND YOUR WORST CANCER PATIENTS TO US TO FIX. Ipso facto, y’all fucks don’t take the hit in death rates. We take on the worst cases, and still have a better death rate than all of y’all. Turns out, it’s pretty easy to take care of healthy people. In Europe they go to Switzerland. What’s the last medical innovation that came out of Australia? At least the French have Sanofi. Stop fucking swimming in our wake. We’re basically subsidizing the entire globes R+D. We’ve been subsidizing NATOs defense spending for decades. We just invented a goddamn missile that goes Mach 45. Why? Because y’all made incredibly stupid deals with China and now you’re having buyers remorse. And now we’re gonna have to arm you once again. What have you done recently for me Australia? The fucking gall of you foreigners who come here and lecture us about our politics while we’re the ones putting in the elbow grease to make YOUR lives better, healthier, and safer.

No we do not actually.

Australia has the best cancer treatment survival rates in the world.


Here is a good article about Australian heath care and why over all it gets better outcomes than the USA at much lower cost.

Nobody cares about your healthcare system....especially the spin from America hating Vox idiots.

You don't have to care.

You can continue to naval gaze as many Americans love to do.

I am just throwing the facts out there for the intelligent minority of Americans to consider.

Intelligent people learn from the rest of the world, both good and bad.
Facts? The only thing you threw out was Vox bullshit.

I understand, the cult of Trump only believes anything Trump says, nothing else.

All cults work this way.
You sound as if you are involved in the cult of the bubble.
A real true believer.

Though only thing I believe in is scientific method, blue skies and cold Australian beer, the rest is just an opinion.
You believe in global warming, so you don't believe in the scientific method.

Yes I do and so does NASA.

You mean some political hacks in NASA believe in it. As a space agency, Nasa political hacks make great climate scientists.

No that is the official position of the agency as well as most scientists (though not all) in the entire world.

I am sure you can find a few meth addles scientists who disagree.
What is the testable statement that most scientists agree on, and how did you determine that "most" scientists agree with it?
 

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And that of course would be the case through out the world, so we can still rationally compare outcomes and Germany's outcome is much better than America's.
NO. That is NOT the case throughout the world unless the CDC is now managing the health of the entire planet.
The subject is how the CDC inflated deaths in the US by attributing all deaths to the Chinese originated
covid virus if the virus was present at all. So much so that the CDC was pressured into changing that policy.

Nevertheless that policy was in place for months and the US death toll remains inflated and uncorrected
and you remain disingenuous.

All countries are using that methodology, they have an "excess death mythology" as defined as " A range of estimates for the number of excess deaths was calculated as the difference between the observed count and one of two thresholds (either the average expected count or the upper bound threshold), by week and jurisdiction. Negative values, where the observed count fell below the threshold, were set to zero."

And the method of if one did not have a prognosis of death within the year and contracted COVID it is counted across the globe as a Covid related death.

There is no world health body, or American for that matter, which believes the USA is doing well in this pandemic.

Just wishing Americans were not dropping like flies by playing semantics with the numbers is not going to save any American lives.
America is far from the worst record when it comes to covid deaths and far from the best.
I know it serves your agenda to state otherwise, however. Saying we are "dropping like flies" is disingenuous and misleading and it won't win Joe the election you so desperately want.
Nothing will including all the post election chaos and disorder the left has planned.


As things stand right now we will have a covid vaccine soon and society will begin to come out of
politicized lockdown box leftist swine has tried to keep us in.

Joe Biden and all the Karens can wear their little masks all day long, if it thrills them to do so.

Only Spain in Europe has a worse death per 100K rate right now.

As in the chart I have provided in this thread many times.
Just to be clear....

There are other countries...just not in Europe....that have worse rates.
Also, we pay our hospitals more for treating COVID, so anyone who dies, that has COVID is listed as a "COVID" death, whereas in most countries unless COVID is actually what caused your death, your cause of death is not listed as COVID. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
Medical stats from country to country are NEVER an apples-to-apples comparison, because they don't compile ANY medical stats the same way we do. How many times have we heard the canard that infant mortality in the US is so much worse than the rest of the world, only to find out that it's largely because other countries simply don't count children who die in the first week of life as ever having existed at all?

On COVID the death rates per 100k most developed nations are using the same method, indeed it is the USA that most world health bodies are concerned are vastly under reporting due to your fragment health care system run by 50 different states. Some estimates are that the USA is under reporting by 33%.
You mean our health care system that bodies the DHSC for legit life threatening diseases like cancer. Our health care system where you can actually get the surgery you need within a week. Our healthcare system that the rest of the world, except Switzerland, has been leaching off of our innovation and the tens of billions we drop into R+D every year. That healthcare system? Y’all treat the healthy for dumb shit like broken arms and infections, while taxing the fuck out of your citizens and pretend like you’re hero’s for doing so. Meanwhile Canada sends all their cancer patients TO ME, to get the very best treatment that WE develop, and then pay for it. Your nurses and doctors are garbage. When y’all can start actually saving your cancer patients and stop sending them to me, and actually preform surgeries on things like joint replacements that aren’t outdated 30 years, when your hospitals have as many top of the line critical care beds as ours do, when you actually do your part in the world and start developing drugs, procedures, and technologies...then you can lecture us on our healthcare.

Me and my wife both work in one of the largest hospitals right next to the covid epicenter. We’re over reporting. 100%. Notice how the flu has effectively disappeared? In this current “spike”, we have 6 covid patients who are actually suffering from covid, among other things.
Australia has similar wait times as the USA, in fact shorter wait times for GP visits, yet gets far better results in every macro category except breast cancer treatment, and even there we are just behind the USA.

All at much cheaper cost.
BECUASE YOU SEND YOUR WORST CANCER PATIENTS TO US TO FIX. Ipso facto, y’all fucks don’t take the hit in death rates. We take on the worst cases, and still have a better death rate than all of y’all. Turns out, it’s pretty easy to take care of healthy people. In Europe they go to Switzerland. What’s the last medical innovation that came out of Australia? At least the French have Sanofi. Stop fucking swimming in our wake. We’re basically subsidizing the entire globes R+D. We’ve been subsidizing NATOs defense spending for decades. We just invented a goddamn missile that goes Mach 45. Why? Because y’all made incredibly stupid deals with China and now you’re having buyers remorse. And now we’re gonna have to arm you once again. What have you done recently for me Australia? The fucking gall of you foreigners who come here and lecture us about our politics while we’re the ones putting in the elbow grease to make YOUR lives better, healthier, and safer.

No we do not actually.

Australia has the best cancer treatment survival rates in the world.


Here is a good article about Australian heath care and why over all it gets better outcomes than the USA at much lower cost.

Nobody cares about your healthcare system....especially the spin from America hating Vox idiots.

You don't have to care.

You can continue to naval gaze as many Americans love to do.

I am just throwing the facts out there for the intelligent minority of Americans to consider.

Intelligent people learn from the rest of the world, both good and bad.
Anyone voting for Biden is proving they are idiots.

I have said it elsewhere, a lot of my old Yank relatives and friends are not really thrilled about Biden, they are simply voting against Trump given the titanic failure of his pandemic response.

One is former military shipmate of mine, she is now a nurse and has seen the carnage first hand.
There is no titanic failure.

Your friends have rings through their noses and are being led around.

Carnage......bullshit.
Oh you poorly little thing. Apparently a poorly informed ignorant Trump supporters like you don’t know anything what is going on. El Paso, Texas with Republican governor and republican mayor.... Are on curfew, and shutting down other venues due to upswing infections. Did you even watch news at all? they are making hospital rooms outside to accommodate the surge..... That’s how bad it is....
Maybe if you stop watching Hannity and watch something else you might learn something new from your double TDS ignorance.
Miami Dade county is also on curfew under republican mayor.



A dramatic upswing in COVID-19 cases and positivity rates in El Paso, Texas, has led officials to ask residents to stay at home for two weeks and to impose a mandatory countywide curfew.
Does this mean Biden is not in bed with Chinese and is 100% incapable of representing us in the ongoing economic battle against the Chinese economy?
Biden and the Left sold out the middle and working class as well as the workers in the trades, before, and he'll promptly sell them out again.

Wages have been growing under Trump, they and the crony capitalists don't want that! No, they want the flat wages that went nowhere like we had for 16 years under Dumb and Dumber.

The first thing Biden/Kamala will do, if they get the opportunity, is sell out to China and reverse our hard earned wage gains.

Now this is something I will grant Trump, after decades of stagnant blue collar wages Trump did see some success in wage rises and in part that would be due to his trade war with China, which I support.

But the work force also has continued to go part time, gig and capsulised over all.

That is not his fault, that has been occurring for two decades now.
Workers forced into part time work is a legacy of Obamacare. Millions had their hours reduced to avoid the crushing expense of Obamacare, Moron.
... The casualisation and fragmentation of the world force in the USA ...
What's your point?
 

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And that of course would be the case through out the world, so we can still rationally compare outcomes and Germany's outcome is much better than America's.
NO. That is NOT the case throughout the world unless the CDC is now managing the health of the entire planet.
The subject is how the CDC inflated deaths in the US by attributing all deaths to the Chinese originated
covid virus if the virus was present at all. So much so that the CDC was pressured into changing that policy.

Nevertheless that policy was in place for months and the US death toll remains inflated and uncorrected
and you remain disingenuous.

All countries are using that methodology, they have an "excess death mythology" as defined as " A range of estimates for the number of excess deaths was calculated as the difference between the observed count and one of two thresholds (either the average expected count or the upper bound threshold), by week and jurisdiction. Negative values, where the observed count fell below the threshold, were set to zero."

And the method of if one did not have a prognosis of death within the year and contracted COVID it is counted across the globe as a Covid related death.

There is no world health body, or American for that matter, which believes the USA is doing well in this pandemic.

Just wishing Americans were not dropping like flies by playing semantics with the numbers is not going to save any American lives.
America is far from the worst record when it comes to covid deaths and far from the best.
I know it serves your agenda to state otherwise, however. Saying we are "dropping like flies" is disingenuous and misleading and it won't win Joe the election you so desperately want.
Nothing will including all the post election chaos and disorder the left has planned.


As things stand right now we will have a covid vaccine soon and society will begin to come out of
politicized lockdown box leftist swine has tried to keep us in.

Joe Biden and all the Karens can wear their little masks all day long, if it thrills them to do so.

Only Spain in Europe has a worse death per 100K rate right now.

As in the chart I have provided in this thread many times.
Just to be clear....

There are other countries...just not in Europe....that have worse rates.
Also, we pay our hospitals more for treating COVID, so anyone who dies, that has COVID is listed as a "COVID" death, whereas in most countries unless COVID is actually what caused your death, your cause of death is not listed as COVID. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
Medical stats from country to country are NEVER an apples-to-apples comparison, because they don't compile ANY medical stats the same way we do. How many times have we heard the canard that infant mortality in the US is so much worse than the rest of the world, only to find out that it's largely because other countries simply don't count children who die in the first week of life as ever having existed at all?

On COVID the death rates per 100k most developed nations are using the same method, indeed it is the USA that most world health bodies are concerned are vastly under reporting due to your fragment health care system run by 50 different states. Some estimates are that the USA is under reporting by 33%.
You mean our health care system that bodies the DHSC for legit life threatening diseases like cancer. Our health care system where you can actually get the surgery you need within a week. Our healthcare system that the rest of the world, except Switzerland, has been leaching off of our innovation and the tens of billions we drop into R+D every year. That healthcare system? Y’all treat the healthy for dumb shit like broken arms and infections, while taxing the fuck out of your citizens and pretend like you’re hero’s for doing so. Meanwhile Canada sends all their cancer patients TO ME, to get the very best treatment that WE develop, and then pay for it. Your nurses and doctors are garbage. When y’all can start actually saving your cancer patients and stop sending them to me, and actually preform surgeries on things like joint replacements that aren’t outdated 30 years, when your hospitals have as many top of the line critical care beds as ours do, when you actually do your part in the world and start developing drugs, procedures, and technologies...then you can lecture us on our healthcare.

Me and my wife both work in one of the largest hospitals right next to the covid epicenter. We’re over reporting. 100%. Notice how the flu has effectively disappeared? In this current “spike”, we have 6 covid patients who are actually suffering from covid, among other things.
Australia has similar wait times as the USA, in fact shorter wait times for GP visits, yet gets far better results in every macro category except breast cancer treatment, and even there we are just behind the USA.

All at much cheaper cost.
BECUASE YOU SEND YOUR WORST CANCER PATIENTS TO US TO FIX. Ipso facto, y’all fucks don’t take the hit in death rates. We take on the worst cases, and still have a better death rate than all of y’all. Turns out, it’s pretty easy to take care of healthy people. In Europe they go to Switzerland. What’s the last medical innovation that came out of Australia? At least the French have Sanofi. Stop fucking swimming in our wake. We’re basically subsidizing the entire globes R+D. We’ve been subsidizing NATOs defense spending for decades. We just invented a goddamn missile that goes Mach 45. Why? Because y’all made incredibly stupid deals with China and now you’re having buyers remorse. And now we’re gonna have to arm you once again. What have you done recently for me Australia? The fucking gall of you foreigners who come here and lecture us about our politics while we’re the ones putting in the elbow grease to make YOUR lives better, healthier, and safer.

No we do not actually.

Australia has the best cancer treatment survival rates in the world.


Here is a good article about Australian heath care and why over all it gets better outcomes than the USA at much lower cost.

Nobody cares about your healthcare system....especially the spin from America hating Vox idiots.

You don't have to care.

You can continue to naval gaze as many Americans love to do.

I am just throwing the facts out there for the intelligent minority of Americans to consider.

Intelligent people learn from the rest of the world, both good and bad.
Facts? The only thing you threw out was Vox bullshit.

I understand, the cult of Trump only believes anything Trump says, nothing else.

All cults work this way.
You sound as if you are involved in the cult of the bubble.
A real true believer.

Though only thing I believe in is scientific method, blue skies and cold Australian beer, the rest is just an opinion.
You believe in global warming, so you don't believe in the scientific method.

Yes I do and so does NASA.

We have been in a long term cooling trend for 6,000 years, True or False?
 

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And that of course would be the case through out the world, so we can still rationally compare outcomes and Germany's outcome is much better than America's.
NO. That is NOT the case throughout the world unless the CDC is now managing the health of the entire planet.
The subject is how the CDC inflated deaths in the US by attributing all deaths to the Chinese originated
covid virus if the virus was present at all. So much so that the CDC was pressured into changing that policy.

Nevertheless that policy was in place for months and the US death toll remains inflated and uncorrected
and you remain disingenuous.

All countries are using that methodology, they have an "excess death mythology" as defined as " A range of estimates for the number of excess deaths was calculated as the difference between the observed count and one of two thresholds (either the average expected count or the upper bound threshold), by week and jurisdiction. Negative values, where the observed count fell below the threshold, were set to zero."

And the method of if one did not have a prognosis of death within the year and contracted COVID it is counted across the globe as a Covid related death.

There is no world health body, or American for that matter, which believes the USA is doing well in this pandemic.

Just wishing Americans were not dropping like flies by playing semantics with the numbers is not going to save any American lives.
America is far from the worst record when it comes to covid deaths and far from the best.
I know it serves your agenda to state otherwise, however. Saying we are "dropping like flies" is disingenuous and misleading and it won't win Joe the election you so desperately want.
Nothing will including all the post election chaos and disorder the left has planned.


As things stand right now we will have a covid vaccine soon and society will begin to come out of
politicized lockdown box leftist swine has tried to keep us in.

Joe Biden and all the Karens can wear their little masks all day long, if it thrills them to do so.

Only Spain in Europe has a worse death per 100K rate right now.

As in the chart I have provided in this thread many times.
Just to be clear....

There are other countries...just not in Europe....that have worse rates.
Also, we pay our hospitals more for treating COVID, so anyone who dies, that has COVID is listed as a "COVID" death, whereas in most countries unless COVID is actually what caused your death, your cause of death is not listed as COVID. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
Medical stats from country to country are NEVER an apples-to-apples comparison, because they don't compile ANY medical stats the same way we do. How many times have we heard the canard that infant mortality in the US is so much worse than the rest of the world, only to find out that it's largely because other countries simply don't count children who die in the first week of life as ever having existed at all?

On COVID the death rates per 100k most developed nations are using the same method, indeed it is the USA that most world health bodies are concerned are vastly under reporting due to your fragment health care system run by 50 different states. Some estimates are that the USA is under reporting by 33%.
You mean our health care system that bodies the DHSC for legit life threatening diseases like cancer. Our health care system where you can actually get the surgery you need within a week. Our healthcare system that the rest of the world, except Switzerland, has been leaching off of our innovation and the tens of billions we drop into R+D every year. That healthcare system? Y’all treat the healthy for dumb shit like broken arms and infections, while taxing the fuck out of your citizens and pretend like you’re hero’s for doing so. Meanwhile Canada sends all their cancer patients TO ME, to get the very best treatment that WE develop, and then pay for it. Your nurses and doctors are garbage. When y’all can start actually saving your cancer patients and stop sending them to me, and actually preform surgeries on things like joint replacements that aren’t outdated 30 years, when your hospitals have as many top of the line critical care beds as ours do, when you actually do your part in the world and start developing drugs, procedures, and technologies...then you can lecture us on our healthcare.

Me and my wife both work in one of the largest hospitals right next to the covid epicenter. We’re over reporting. 100%. Notice how the flu has effectively disappeared? In this current “spike”, we have 6 covid patients who are actually suffering from covid, among other things.
Australia has similar wait times as the USA, in fact shorter wait times for GP visits, yet gets far better results in every macro category except breast cancer treatment, and even there we are just behind the USA.

All at much cheaper cost.
BECUASE YOU SEND YOUR WORST CANCER PATIENTS TO US TO FIX. Ipso facto, y’all fucks don’t take the hit in death rates. We take on the worst cases, and still have a better death rate than all of y’all. Turns out, it’s pretty easy to take care of healthy people. In Europe they go to Switzerland. What’s the last medical innovation that came out of Australia? At least the French have Sanofi. Stop fucking swimming in our wake. We’re basically subsidizing the entire globes R+D. We’ve been subsidizing NATOs defense spending for decades. We just invented a goddamn missile that goes Mach 45. Why? Because y’all made incredibly stupid deals with China and now you’re having buyers remorse. And now we’re gonna have to arm you once again. What have you done recently for me Australia? The fucking gall of you foreigners who come here and lecture us about our politics while we’re the ones putting in the elbow grease to make YOUR lives better, healthier, and safer.

No we do not actually.

Australia has the best cancer treatment survival rates in the world.


Here is a good article about Australian heath care and why over all it gets better outcomes than the USA at much lower cost.

Nobody cares about your healthcare system....especially the spin from America hating Vox idiots.

You don't have to care.

You can continue to naval gaze as many Americans love to do.

I am just throwing the facts out there for the intelligent minority of Americans to consider.

Intelligent people learn from the rest of the world, both good and bad.
Anyone voting for Biden is proving they are idiots.

I have said it elsewhere, a lot of my old Yank relatives and friends are not really thrilled about Biden, they are simply voting against Trump given the titanic failure of his pandemic response.

One is former military shipmate of mine, she is now a nurse and has seen the carnage first hand.
There is no titanic failure.

Your friends have rings through their noses and are being led around.

Carnage......bullshit.
Oh you poorly little thing. Apparently a poorly informed ignorant Trump supporters like you don’t know anything what is going on. El Paso, Texas with Republican governor and republican mayor.... Are on curfew, and shutting down other venues due to upswing infections. Did you even watch news at all? they are making hospital rooms outside to accommodate the surge..... That’s how bad it is....
Maybe if you stop watching Hannity and watch something else you might learn something new from your double TDS ignorance.
Miami Dade county is also on curfew under republican mayor.



A dramatic upswing in COVID-19 cases and positivity rates in El Paso, Texas, has led officials to ask residents to stay at home for two weeks and to impose a mandatory countywide curfew.
Does this mean Biden is not in bed with Chinese and is 100% incapable of representing us in the ongoing economic battle against the Chinese economy?
Biden and the Left sold out the middle and working class as well as the workers in the trades, before, and he'll promptly sell them out again.

Wages have been growing under Trump, they and the crony capitalists don't want that! No, they want the flat wages that went nowhere like we had for 16 years under Dumb and Dumber.

The first thing Biden/Kamala will do, if they get the opportunity, is sell out to China and reverse our hard earned wage gains.
... Now this is something I will grant Trump, after decades of stagnant blue collar wages Trump did see some success in wage rises and in part that would be due to his trade war with China, which I support...
Your "grant" is unnecessary, it's solidly supported in real world evidence. His trade war with China has raised US wages, without resulting in inflation, while all the "experts" claimed it wouldn't work and/or it would result in runaway inflation, the "experts" were wrong, Trump was right, and if we are to hold and expand the gains, Trump needs four more years. Biden will promptly reverse all this and take us back to the flat wages we "enjoyed" under the 16 years of misrule by Dumb and Dumber.
... But the work force also has continued to go part time, gig and casualised over all...
Fake News. Here in America we jointly secure each other's fundamental human rights, and one primary among those is:
i) We have the right to exchange our labor for pay, or, refrain from doing so.

In other words, if we choose to work part time, that's our choice, but, there are times when we work part time, because full time work is not available. We monitor that metric and it has been falling all through the Trump pre-pandemic presidency.


Year-end numbers.​

Part time employment for economic reasons are the lowest in 20 years, and you ain't seen nuthin' yet! Another 4 years and Trump will drive them down to the lowest ever, and really, it's not Trump, it's just Trump getting out of the way of the American Worker, who are naturally great.

Clearly Trump has the superior skillset for the post pandemic economy. Biden has been in power for 20% of the Nation's history and never distinguished himself as particularly good anything. If he had a desirable skill set, I think it would have become apparent by now, but, he wasn't much, even in his prime, and he has lost a lot of steps since then.
 
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And that of course would be the case through out the world, so we can still rationally compare outcomes and Germany's outcome is much better than America's.
NO. That is NOT the case throughout the world unless the CDC is now managing the health of the entire planet.
The subject is how the CDC inflated deaths in the US by attributing all deaths to the Chinese originated
covid virus if the virus was present at all. So much so that the CDC was pressured into changing that policy.

Nevertheless that policy was in place for months and the US death toll remains inflated and uncorrected
and you remain disingenuous.

All countries are using that methodology, they have an "excess death mythology" as defined as " A range of estimates for the number of excess deaths was calculated as the difference between the observed count and one of two thresholds (either the average expected count or the upper bound threshold), by week and jurisdiction. Negative values, where the observed count fell below the threshold, were set to zero."

And the method of if one did not have a prognosis of death within the year and contracted COVID it is counted across the globe as a Covid related death.

There is no world health body, or American for that matter, which believes the USA is doing well in this pandemic.

Just wishing Americans were not dropping like flies by playing semantics with the numbers is not going to save any American lives.
America is far from the worst record when it comes to covid deaths and far from the best.
I know it serves your agenda to state otherwise, however. Saying we are "dropping like flies" is disingenuous and misleading and it won't win Joe the election you so desperately want.
Nothing will including all the post election chaos and disorder the left has planned.


As things stand right now we will have a covid vaccine soon and society will begin to come out of
politicized lockdown box leftist swine has tried to keep us in.

Joe Biden and all the Karens can wear their little masks all day long, if it thrills them to do so.

Only Spain in Europe has a worse death per 100K rate right now.

As in the chart I have provided in this thread many times.
Just to be clear....

There are other countries...just not in Europe....that have worse rates.
Also, we pay our hospitals more for treating COVID, so anyone who dies, that has COVID is listed as a "COVID" death, whereas in most countries unless COVID is actually what caused your death, your cause of death is not listed as COVID. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
Medical stats from country to country are NEVER an apples-to-apples comparison, because they don't compile ANY medical stats the same way we do. How many times have we heard the canard that infant mortality in the US is so much worse than the rest of the world, only to find out that it's largely because other countries simply don't count children who die in the first week of life as ever having existed at all?

On COVID the death rates per 100k most developed nations are using the same method, indeed it is the USA that most world health bodies are concerned are vastly under reporting due to your fragment health care system run by 50 different states. Some estimates are that the USA is under reporting by 33%.
You mean our health care system that bodies the DHSC for legit life threatening diseases like cancer. Our health care system where you can actually get the surgery you need within a week. Our healthcare system that the rest of the world, except Switzerland, has been leaching off of our innovation and the tens of billions we drop into R+D every year. That healthcare system? Y’all treat the healthy for dumb shit like broken arms and infections, while taxing the fuck out of your citizens and pretend like you’re hero’s for doing so. Meanwhile Canada sends all their cancer patients TO ME, to get the very best treatment that WE develop, and then pay for it. Your nurses and doctors are garbage. When y’all can start actually saving your cancer patients and stop sending them to me, and actually preform surgeries on things like joint replacements that aren’t outdated 30 years, when your hospitals have as many top of the line critical care beds as ours do, when you actually do your part in the world and start developing drugs, procedures, and technologies...then you can lecture us on our healthcare.

Me and my wife both work in one of the largest hospitals right next to the covid epicenter. We’re over reporting. 100%. Notice how the flu has effectively disappeared? In this current “spike”, we have 6 covid patients who are actually suffering from covid, among other things.
Australia has similar wait times as the USA, in fact shorter wait times for GP visits, yet gets far better results in every macro category except breast cancer treatment, and even there we are just behind the USA.

All at much cheaper cost.
BECUASE YOU SEND YOUR WORST CANCER PATIENTS TO US TO FIX. Ipso facto, y’all fucks don’t take the hit in death rates. We take on the worst cases, and still have a better death rate than all of y’all. Turns out, it’s pretty easy to take care of healthy people. In Europe they go to Switzerland. What’s the last medical innovation that came out of Australia? At least the French have Sanofi. Stop fucking swimming in our wake. We’re basically subsidizing the entire globes R+D. We’ve been subsidizing NATOs defense spending for decades. We just invented a goddamn missile that goes Mach 45. Why? Because y’all made incredibly stupid deals with China and now you’re having buyers remorse. And now we’re gonna have to arm you once again. What have you done recently for me Australia? The fucking gall of you foreigners who come here and lecture us about our politics while we’re the ones putting in the elbow grease to make YOUR lives better, healthier, and safer.

No we do not actually.

Australia has the best cancer treatment survival rates in the world.


Here is a good article about Australian heath care and why over all it gets better outcomes than the USA at much lower cost.

Nobody cares about your healthcare system....especially the spin from America hating Vox idiots.

You don't have to care.

You can continue to naval gaze as many Americans love to do.

I am just throwing the facts out there for the intelligent minority of Americans to consider.

Intelligent people learn from the rest of the world, both good and bad.
Facts? The only thing you threw out was Vox bullshit.

I understand, the cult of Trump only believes anything Trump says, nothing else.

All cults work this way.
what cult? Trump and Republicans are about limited govt or individual liberty while Dims are about cult-like socialist group behavior. You need to think before you post.
Trump has no relationship to the concept of limited government.
The thousands of regulations he has eliminated proves what a colossal moron you are.
Well if you have a simplistic idea what the concept means, sure he loves to get rid of environmental protections which benefit the country at large but hinder quick profits, he does do that. But then he uses government subsidize such companies.

He gave over 1.6 billion to oil companies in 2018 alone.
I would ask you for links to back up all your lies, but we all know you won't have any.

Run along Dundee, you are an idiot.

We have already established my slow witted juice harp playing friend you do not know how to open and read the charts or evidence on any link that does not tell you what you want to hear.
I accept your admission you are full of shit. It's always easy to destroy the bullshit talking points of a single digit IQ Libtard............just ask them for evidence to back up their claims.

Works every time. :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
Evidence! It's what's for breakfast!

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I told you this Hunter Biden story was garbage.

“The New York Post’s front-page article about Hunter Biden on Wednesday was written mostly by a staff reporter who refused to put his name on it, two Post employees said.

Bruce Golding, a reporter at the Rupert Murdoch-owned tabloid since 2007, did not allow his byline to be used because he had concerns over the article’s credibility, the two Post employees said, speaking on the condition of anonymity out of fear of retaliation.

Coming late in a heated presidential campaign, the article suggested that Joseph R. Biden Jr. had used his position to enrich his son Hunter when he was vice president. The Post based the story on photos and documents the paper said it had taken from the hard drive of a laptop purportedly belonging to Hunter Biden.

Many Post staff members questioned whether the paper had done enough to verify the authenticity of the hard drive’s contents, said five people with knowledge of the tabloid’s inner workings. Staff members also had concerns about the reliability of its sources and its timing, the people said”.


*************

Let me put this in plain English for Trumpist simpletons: The Reporter did not want to have his name used in the by-line because he knew this story about Hunter Biden was a lie.

Only friggin idiots would consider Steve Bannon, a man now being prosecuted for fraud, and Rudy Guiliani, a known Russian useful idiot, credible sources.
So just double checking but this story fell apart right?
Yes "fell apart". I do not think that phrase means what they think it means!

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Liberty is find, rejected scientific evidence or any source that does not tell you what you want to hear is not intellectual liberty however, it is mental slavery.
So, socialism just killed 120 million. It is by far the most evil idea in human history and yet Democrats embrace it. It that scientific thinking and plain pure stupidity??
Totolitarian communism killed more than that actually.

As raw, unregulated capitalism has mass killed as well. The trans Atlantic slave trade enslaved 10 million to 12 million and there are no reliable figures on how many died. The Irish potato famine occurred largely due to capitalist notions the market should sort it out and the state not provide mass aid. The list could go on and on as capitalist exploitation of global resources led to global colonialism in the 19th century which killed hundreds of million.

Extremes of any economic ideology kills.

Democratic social welfare states such as Norway or Denmark actually proved their people with a better overall standard of living than the USA.
give us an example of when "unregulated capitalism" mass killed.

Slavery is not a feature of capitalism, moron. Capitalism did not cause the Irish Potato famine. It was the British government that prevented the import of grain to Ireland. That has nothing to do with the free market.

You list is full of the typical bogus examples. When Gengis Khan wiped out entire nations, was that capitalism? Can you define precisely what you believe capitalism is?

I just did, slavery was totally based on capitalism, every historian on the planet will tell you that.

The Triangular Trade, which connected capitalist trading connections with the policy of capitalism. Indeed every aspect of capitalism drove the slave trade, from the rise of insurance to cover risk of the voyages and losses of dead slaves to stock markets which floated stocks in slave trading companies to credit extended with slaves as collateral.

Most of Thomas Jefferson's wealth was due to loans based on his slaves as colleterial.
No you didn't give an example, moron. capitalism is not compatible with slavery.

You are dismissed.


The Irish Potato Famine was directly caused by capitalist philosophy. The British government was being flooded with pleas to offer help, they refused because it violated their capitalist ideology government should not intervene in what they saw as a market rather than a humanitarian disaster.

One could go on and on through the evolution of capitalism.
The British government prevented Ireland from importing grain. A famine caused by government is not an example of capitalism.

You're a moron.


The slaughter of the Native American tribes was often driven by capitalist greed for land, either by individuals or capitalist organisations. The Black Hills were taken from the Native Americans not by the government, but by capitalist individuals and mining companies searching for gold against the government's objections for a time.
In the first place, there's no credible argument that native Americans owned the black hills. In the second place, you're blaming capitalism for government policy. Apparently, no matter what the government does, capitalism is to blame. That's a stupid argument.

And now we come to the biggie, global warming, which if we do nothing about it will end up killing hundreds of millions, that is directly caused by capitalist development of fossil fuels and the capitalist idea consumption and economies should ever grow.
Global warming is a hoax, If anything, fewer people will die if the global climate warms.


"Despite the shortages, the British government decided not to interfere in the marketplace to provide food to the poor Irish, but left food import and distribution to free market forces. Moreover, they allowed foodstuffs – vast amounts of foodstuffs – to be exported from Ireland. Merchants made large profits while people starved. "
That's a giant lie. The British government outlawed the import of cheap American grain.

You need to quit reading Marxist propaganda.

It is clear if you actually read historians and not just the voices in your mind, the British government did not provide relief because they believed market forces should sort it out and even allowed capitalist traders to make money exporting food away from Ireland.

They allowed the free market to make all the decisions and it caused mass death.

Now you can call historians liars because they are telling you something you do not want to know, but that does not make it any less a historical fact.

The Black Hills never belonged to the Lakota Souix?

Not according to the Fort Laramie Treaty between the United States and the Sioux Nation unambiguously recognized their ownership of the land. It is just capitalists Americans rushed in and ignored the treaty to get gold, against the wishes of the US government.

Climate Change a hoax.

So is gravity I suppose or the Moon landing?

climate change is a hoax in the sense that silly communists and socialists in America are making you believe that if you drive a Prius it will make a difference while China and India are adding tremendously to the net carbon content of the atmosphere every day and will continue to do so for decades to come. If it is real the solution is Geo engineering not battery powered cars.

If climate change is a hoax why worry about Geo thermal power?

Now I now those who cannot believe all the science because it is not what they want to hear are never going to be convinced until Florida is under water, even then you will make up some deluded excuse that it had nothing to do with climate change, but the sane world, most of us know it is happening and things have to be done to slow it or adapt.
Still waiting for you to show us anyone who claims the climate doesn't change, Donk.

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The question itself is so ignorant of what climate change is you would be incapable of understanding the answer.

There is plenty of scientific site which explain the difference between short term climate change and a long term warming.

But unless Trump says it, you are not interested.
I laughed at the climate change hoax over 20 years ago.
Or 40 years ago when we were all gonna freeze to death in the impending ice age.
 

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Liberty is find, rejected scientific evidence or any source that does not tell you what you want to hear is not intellectual liberty however, it is mental slavery.
So, socialism just killed 120 million. It is by far the most evil idea in human history and yet Democrats embrace it. It that scientific thinking and plain pure stupidity??
Totolitarian communism killed more than that actually.

As raw, unregulated capitalism has mass killed as well. The trans Atlantic slave trade enslaved 10 million to 12 million and there are no reliable figures on how many died. The Irish potato famine occurred largely due to capitalist notions the market should sort it out and the state not provide mass aid. The list could go on and on as capitalist exploitation of global resources led to global colonialism in the 19th century which killed hundreds of million.

Extremes of any economic ideology kills.

Democratic social welfare states such as Norway or Denmark actually proved their people with a better overall standard of living than the USA.
give us an example of when "unregulated capitalism" mass killed.

Slavery is not a feature of capitalism, moron. Capitalism did not cause the Irish Potato famine. It was the British government that prevented the import of grain to Ireland. That has nothing to do with the free market.

You list is full of the typical bogus examples. When Gengis Khan wiped out entire nations, was that capitalism? Can you define precisely what you believe capitalism is?

I just did, slavery was totally based on capitalism, every historian on the planet will tell you that.

The Triangular Trade, which connected capitalist trading connections with the policy of capitalism. Indeed every aspect of capitalism drove the slave trade, from the rise of insurance to cover risk of the voyages and losses of dead slaves to stock markets which floated stocks in slave trading companies to credit extended with slaves as collateral.

Most of Thomas Jefferson's wealth was due to loans based on his slaves as colleterial.
No you didn't give an example, moron. capitalism is not compatible with slavery.

You are dismissed.


The Irish Potato Famine was directly caused by capitalist philosophy. The British government was being flooded with pleas to offer help, they refused because it violated their capitalist ideology government should not intervene in what they saw as a market rather than a humanitarian disaster.

One could go on and on through the evolution of capitalism.
The British government prevented Ireland from importing grain. A famine caused by government is not an example of capitalism.

You're a moron.


The slaughter of the Native American tribes was often driven by capitalist greed for land, either by individuals or capitalist organisations. The Black Hills were taken from the Native Americans not by the government, but by capitalist individuals and mining companies searching for gold against the government's objections for a time.
In the first place, there's no credible argument that native Americans owned the black hills. In the second place, you're blaming capitalism for government policy. Apparently, no matter what the government does, capitalism is to blame. That's a stupid argument.

And now we come to the biggie, global warming, which if we do nothing about it will end up killing hundreds of millions, that is directly caused by capitalist development of fossil fuels and the capitalist idea consumption and economies should ever grow.
Global warming is a hoax, If anything, fewer people will die if the global climate warms.


"Despite the shortages, the British government decided not to interfere in the marketplace to provide food to the poor Irish, but left food import and distribution to free market forces. Moreover, they allowed foodstuffs – vast amounts of foodstuffs – to be exported from Ireland. Merchants made large profits while people starved. "
That's a giant lie. The British government outlawed the import of cheap American grain.

You need to quit reading Marxist propaganda.

It is clear if you actually read historians and not just the voices in your mind, the British government did not provide relief because they believed market forces should sort it out and even allowed capitalist traders to make money exporting food away from Ireland.

They allowed the free market to make all the decisions and it caused mass death.

Now you can call historians liars because they are telling you something you do not want to know, but that does not make it any less a historical fact.

The Black Hills never belonged to the Lakota Souix?

Not according to the Fort Laramie Treaty between the United States and the Sioux Nation unambiguously recognized their ownership of the land. It is just capitalists Americans rushed in and ignored the treaty to get gold, against the wishes of the US government.

Climate Change a hoax.

So is gravity I suppose or the Moon landing?

climate change is a hoax in the sense that silly communists and socialists in America are making you believe that if you drive a Prius it will make a difference while China and India are adding tremendously to the net carbon content of the atmosphere every day and will continue to do so for decades to come. If it is real the solution is Geo engineering not battery powered cars.

If climate change is a hoax why worry about Geo thermal power?

Now I now those who cannot believe all the science because it is not what they want to hear are never going to be convinced until Florida is under water, even then you will make up some deluded excuse that it had nothing to do with climate change, but the sane world, most of us know it is happening and things have to be done to slow it or adapt.
Still waiting for you to show us anyone who claims the climate doesn't change, Donk.

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The question itself is so ignorant of what climate change is you would be incapable of understanding the answer.

There is plenty of scientific site which explain the difference between short term climate change and a long term warming.

But unless Trump says it, you are not interested.
I laughed at the climate change hoax over 20 years ago.
Or 40 years ago when we were all gonna freeze to death in the impending ice age.
Reasoning isn't their strong point.

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If 760 million have the virus, and 1,042,982 die as a direct result.......the fatality rate is not .14%
That would be nearly 105 million dead.

Let me do the math for you: a fatality rate of 0.0013 percent.
Holyfuck, are you ever rightarded. :lmao:

1,042,982 ÷ 760,000,000 = 0.001372345

That result is NOT a percent. To convert it into a percent, you multiply it by 100. Rounding to 2 decimal places becomes 0.14 percent.

Like I always say, conservatives should never go near numbers. They only hurt themselves every time they try.



Your division, just like your intellectual ability, is backwards.


It's 760 million into the million figure.
Jeeeezzzz......


Bet you're a government school grad, huh?

Special ed?
LOLOLOL

You moron, "It's 760 million into the million figure," is the same as the million figure divided by the 760 million, which is what I posted.

Faun: 1,042,982 ÷ 760,000,000 = 0.001372345

You'll note the operator I used ... ÷

I'll teach you what that is since you clearly don't know...

For example:​
6 ÷ 2 = 3​
means 6 divided by 2, which is the division of 6 by 2, which is equal to 3.​
[emphasis added to highlight PoliticalHag's immense ignorance]

What's that you say? You still don't understand??

Here, try using a calculator. It will show you exactly what I said...


Do you see now why you look like such an idiot? I can't believe you're such an imbecile, you'd actually triple down on stupid and post that nonsense rather than simply admit you made a mistake. Actually, just kidding... I totally believe it! :lmao:

Like I always say, conservatives should never go near numbers. They only hurt themselves every time they try.
And just to add a little salt to the wound... PoliticalHag actually said...

If 760 million have the virus, and 1,042,982 die as a direct result.......the fatality rate is not .14%
That would be nearly 105 million dead.


... now watch this ... again, put the following into your calculator...

1,042,982 ÷ 760,000,000 =​


You'll get ... 0.001372345

Now comes the fun part... now press the [%] key ... and *BOOM*

You get 0.1372345 percent, or rounded as 0.14 percent, the very figure PoliticalHag said is wrong.



Like I always say, conservatives should never go near numbers. They only hurt themselves every time they try.

Are ya feeling stupid yet, PoliticalHag? Or are you too stupid to feel stupid?

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So your conclusion is that the death rate is one eighth of one percent?


But closing the economy is required for that fatality rate?


What is the death rate for the seasonal flu?
No, no, .1%

Do I take this to mean you finally realize how badly you screwed up your math?
So your argument is that we should follow idiot Joe and shut down the economy over something with a .1% death rate?

What a ginormous Snowflake you are, Wimpy. :iyfyus.jpg:
WTF??

I never said we should shut the country down over a 0.1% fatality rate, Twinky. In fact, I said we shouldn't. Exactly how deranged are you to think I did?? :ack-1:
 

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If 760 million have the virus, and 1,042,982 die as a direct result.......the fatality rate is not .14%
That would be nearly 105 million dead.

Let me do the math for you: a fatality rate of 0.0013 percent.
Holyfuck, are you ever rightarded. :lmao:

1,042,982 ÷ 760,000,000 = 0.001372345

That result is NOT a percent. To convert it into a percent, you multiply it by 100. Rounding to 2 decimal places becomes 0.14 percent.

Like I always say, conservatives should never go near numbers. They only hurt themselves every time they try.



Your division, just like your intellectual ability, is backwards.


It's 760 million into the million figure.
Jeeeezzzz......


Bet you're a government school grad, huh?

Special ed?
LOLOLOL

You moron, "It's 760 million into the million figure," is the same as the million figure divided by the 760 million, which is what I posted.

Faun: 1,042,982 ÷ 760,000,000 = 0.001372345

You'll note the operator I used ... ÷

I'll teach you what that is since you clearly don't know...

For example:​
6 ÷ 2 = 3​
means 6 divided by 2, which is the division of 6 by 2, which is equal to 3.​
[emphasis added to highlight PoliticalHag's immense ignorance]

What's that you say? You still don't understand??

Here, try using a calculator. It will show you exactly what I said...


Do you see now why you look like such an idiot? I can't believe you're such an imbecile, you'd actually triple down on stupid and post that nonsense rather than simply admit you made a mistake. Actually, just kidding... I totally believe it! :lmao:

Like I always say, conservatives should never go near numbers. They only hurt themselves every time they try.
And just to add a little salt to the wound... PoliticalHag actually said...

If 760 million have the virus, and 1,042,982 die as a direct result.......the fatality rate is not .14%
That would be nearly 105 million dead.


... now watch this ... again, put the following into your calculator...

1,042,982 ÷ 760,000,000 =​


You'll get ... 0.001372345

Now comes the fun part... now press the [%] key ... and *BOOM*

You get 0.1372345 percent, or rounded as 0.14 percent, the very figure PoliticalHag said is wrong.



Like I always say, conservatives should never go near numbers. They only hurt themselves every time they try.

Are ya feeling stupid yet, PoliticalHag? Or are you too stupid to feel stupid?

:abgg2q.jpg:
I want to make sure I understand, you are complaining that the calculation is wrong, but using your calculation the number is still minuscule? Not sure what point you have made exactly other than to prove that the left has a their panties in a wad for little reason.
My complaint about PolitcalHag's horrid math skills has nothing to do with the actual fatality rate. It may be 0.14%. Or it may not be that. I still don't know. For one, the WHO merely states there "may" be 10% of the world's population infected. That means 10% "may" not be an accurate figure. Secondly, that's for the entire planet, not the U.S.. So let's say, for argument's sake, it is somewhat accurate. That would mean in the U.S., there are 33,000,000 cases. We are currently up to 234,804 deaths. Using my math and not PoliticalHag's, that's a fatality rate of .7%, roughly 5 times deadlier than the flu. And that's assuming the WHO is correct and assuming infection rates are consistent from one country to the next, which they're not.

Seems to me like for someone who has tried to claim intellectual superiority over arguing over the most inane math calculations your post has a shit ton of speculation to come up with your figures.

How "Sciencey" of you, Moron. :itsok:
Oh? Of what did I speculate?
 
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