Now we know Trump's economic plan to enrich the rich and screw over the GOP base. Happy?

[kaz]

All the fact checkers have been reviewing Trump's economic plan and what they all agree on is the middle class get screwed just like the GOP always does.

OK Trump supporters. If you win, bend over and grab your ankles.

Yes, socialism is so great for the middle class

 

[buckeye45_73]

Yeah rdean...Obama has done such a great job....spent trillions and we have shit. No growth. Keep sucking that democrat dick

 

[rdean]

The middle class hasn't been screwed under Obama? Really?

No it hasn't. Really.
It's the GOP who shutdown government. Twice.
It's the GOP who block Jobs bills, health care and infrastructure rebuilding.

But you knew that. You've always know it.

Good grief, toad the middle class has been decimated under Obungle's reign of error and you're one ignorant, stupid sob

4.7% unemployment and 5.8 million jobs available, over 73 months of job growth and the Middle Class is decimated? Are you sure the GOP swill hasn't affected your perception of reality?

Have things gotten better or worse for the Middle Class under Obama? Simple question, R-Derp. That's "reality" not a bunch of statistics that Obama supporters rattle off to hide how bad economic growth has been under this Administration.

Under Bush, millions of jobs were moved to China. Over 42,000 factories closed. The country losing jobs at the rate of 750,000 a month. Unemployment went over 10%. Republicans wanted the car industry to go bankrupt.

Now we have 4.7% unemployment. The auto industry is strong. Over 73 months of private sector job growth. Millions more have health care. Umm, what was the question again?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The middle class hasn't been screwed under Obama? Really?

No it hasn't. Really.
It's the GOP who shutdown government. Twice.
It's the GOP who block Jobs bills, health care and infrastructure rebuilding.

But you knew that. You've always know it.

Good grief, toad the middle class has been decimated under Obungle's reign of error and you're one ignorant, stupid sob

4.7% unemployment and 5.8 million jobs available, over 73 months of job growth and the Middle Class is decimated? Are you sure the GOP swill hasn't affected your perception of reality?

Have things gotten better or worse for the Middle Class under Obama? Simple question, R-Derp. That's "reality" not a bunch of statistics that Obama supporters rattle off to hide how bad economic growth has been under this Administration.

Under Bush, millions of jobs were moved to China. Over 42,000 factories closed. The country losing jobs at the rate of 750,000 a month. Unemployment went over 10%. Republicans wanted the car industry to go bankrupt.

Now we have 4.7% unemployment. The auto industry is strong. Over 73 months of private sector job growth. Millions more have health care. Umm, what was the question again?

Derp

 

[Deleted member 53821]

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[kaz]

How is Trump paying for the tax cut

Yes, Comrade Mrs. Mao. To take less of the people's money is to spend money because all money is the people's money

 

[rdean]

All the fact checkers have been reviewing Trump's economic plan and what they all agree on is the middle class get screwed just like the GOP always does.

OK Trump supporters. If you win, bend over and grab your ankles.

Yes, socialism is so great for the middle class

Guess what: Barack Obama has been a great president for job creation

The December jobs data are out from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and the news is good: last month, the U.S. economy added 292,000 jobs. So at the end of this president’s seventh year in office, we can make a conclusion that may be surprising: when it comes to job growth, Barack Obama’s record isn’t just good, it’s outstanding.

As for Barack Obama, if we measure this from when he was inaugurated, then after seven years in office we has seen the creation of 9.2 million jobs. But when Obama took office, the economy was hemorrhaging hundreds of thousands of jobs a month — 700,000 were lost in his first month as president, which he can hardly be blamed for. And in general it may not be fair to give credit or blame to a president for what happens at the beginning of his first term.

Those are the facts sweetpeas. Plain and simple.

 

[kaz]

All the fact checkers have been reviewing Trump's economic plan and what they all agree on is the middle class get screwed just like the GOP always does.

OK Trump supporters. If you win, bend over and grab your ankles.

Yes, socialism is so great for the middle class

Guess what: Barack Obama has been a great president for job creation

The December jobs data are out from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and the news is good: last month, the U.S. economy added 292,000 jobs. So at the end of this president’s seventh year in office, we can make a conclusion that may be surprising: when it comes to job growth, Barack Obama’s record isn’t just good, it’s outstanding.

As for Barack Obama, if we measure this from when he was inaugurated, then after seven years in office we has seen the creation of 9.2 million jobs. But when Obama took office, the economy was hemorrhaging hundreds of thousands of jobs a month — 700,000 were lost in his first month as president, which he can hardly be blamed for. And in general it may not be fair to give credit or blame to a president for what happens at the beginning of his first term.

Those are the facts sweetpeas. Plain and simple.

Now do a chart by who controlled congress

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Derp and Obungle's wonderful economy.....

Productivity declines for third straight quarter

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Productivity, a sore spot for the U.S. economy over the past few years, has now declined in three straight quarters, according to data released Tuesday.

Productivity declines for third straight quarter

 

[Oldstyle]

The middle class hasn't been screwed under Obama? Really?

No it hasn't. Really.
It's the GOP who shutdown government. Twice.
It's the GOP who block Jobs bills, health care and infrastructure rebuilding.

But you knew that. You've always know it.

Good grief, toad the middle class has been decimated under Obungle's reign of error and you're one ignorant, stupid sob

4.7% unemployment and 5.8 million jobs available, over 73 months of job growth and the Middle Class is decimated? Are you sure the GOP swill hasn't affected your perception of reality?

Have things gotten better or worse for the Middle Class under Obama? Simple question, R-Derp. That's "reality" not a bunch of statistics that Obama supporters rattle off to hide how bad economic growth has been under this Administration.

Under Bush, millions of jobs were moved to China. Over 42,000 factories closed. The country losing jobs at the rate of 750,000 a month. Unemployment went over 10%. Republicans wanted the car industry to go bankrupt.

Now we have 4.7% unemployment. The auto industry is strong. Over 73 months of private sector job growth. Millions more have health care. Umm, what was the question again?

The question...which you so clumsily avoided answering...is whether things got better or worse for the Middle Class under Barack Obama?

 

[Claudette]

All the fact checkers have been reviewing Trump's economic plan and what they all agree on is the middle class get screwed just like the GOP always does.

OK Trump supporters. If you win, bend over and grab your ankles.

Yeah, that tax cut for the Middle Class and the ability to write off their child care expenses is going to really "screw" the Middle Class, R-Derp! What they REALLY need is the tax increases that Hillary's going to hit them with! (God, you're clueless!)

Yes he is. Clueless and a sheep who follows Hitlery like a drone.

He wouldn't know a good economic deal it one bit his lefty loon ass.

 

[Iceweasel]

Derp and Obungle's wonderful economy.....

Productivity declines for third straight quarter

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Productivity, a sore spot for the U.S. economy over the past few years, has now declined in three straight quarters, according to data released Tuesday.

Productivity declines for third straight quarter

If a Republican was in office it would be non stop hysteria.

 

[bendog]

Notice that R-Derp doesn't explain how it is that the Trump plan will screw the Middle Class...he just states that it will...and that "all" the "fact checkers" agree it will! To translate for you..that means all of the folks at Think Progress and the Huffington Post agree it will!

I've seen at least 4 fact checkings on reputable sites, and they all pretty much agree that it's just more of the same old everyone gets a tax cut, and the rich get a much bigger one than the middle class, and it blows up the deficits even more.

I'm not a big fan of dean, but I don't see that it's asking too much for people to read news sites and basically google.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The middle class hasn't been screwed under Obama? Really?

How?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Lol. Clinton is the globalist who is screwing the middle class. Another delusional one.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The middle class hasn't been screwed under Obama? Really?

How?

Really?

 

[imawhosure]

All the fact checkers have been reviewing Trump's economic plan and what they all agree on is the middle class get screwed just like the GOP always does.

OK Trump supporters. If you win, bend over and grab your ankles.

Yet you post none of them! Typical deaner!

Wait a second. Are you saying Republicans don't want to know anything about Trumps tax plan unless they are spoon fed the details? So they can say "I don't believe it"?

the child care tax write off is a joke and only for those wealthier people...the majority of the poor and middle class don't take deductions and fill out the long form, most Americans file their taxes on the short form, with no tax write offs....so the tax write off deduction is simply a tax benefit and gift for the wealthy...

The inheritance tax repeal again is simply for the very wealthiest and allows them to avoid their entire life taxes on their investment capital gains and then when they die with their 10 million per couple, they still avoid paying taxes on their capital gains while the middle class is forced to pay them.

Lowering the top marginal tax bracket down to 33% on the wealthiest allows those making tens of millions a year pay the same tax rate as the couple earning $250 thousand a year....

the whole economic / tax plan is for the wealthiest, a perfect, as usual, Republican plan for the wealthy in hopes of some trickle down our legs...

AND it adds 10 additional TRILLION to our national debt!!!!!!

the child care tax write off is a joke and only for those wealthier people...the majority of the poor and middle class don't take deductions and fill out the long form, most Americans file their taxes on the short form, with no tax write offs....so the tax write off deduction is simply a tax benefit and gift for the wealthy...

The inheritance tax repeal again is simply for the very wealthiest and allows them to avoid their entire life taxes on their investment capital gains and then when they die with their 10 million per couple, they still avoid paying taxes on their capital gains

Lowering the top marginal tax bracket down to 33% on the wealthiest allows those making tens of millions a year pay the same tax rate as the couple earning $250 thousand a year....

the whole economic / tax plan is for the wealthiest, a perfect, as usual, Republican plan for the wealthy in hopes of some trickle down our legs...

AND it adds 10 additional TRILLION to our national debt!!!!!!

And now you give facts. Trumpbots don't want facts.

Seriously, the thing is that ALL candidates econ plans are not that serious about actual dollars, but they do offer a view to a candidate's priorities. You can see that in Hillary's. Reagan promised to balance the budget .... did anyone actually believe it? Hell no. Those of us who cared voted for Anderson. But, Reagan did accomplish placing budget priorities on social issues closer to the states, and he did confront the Russians.

What Trump showed is just that all that "the rich will pay their fair share" was bullshite.

the child care tax write off is a joke and only for those wealthier people...the majority of the poor and middle class don't take deductions and fill out the long form, most Americans file their taxes on the short form, with no tax write offs....so the tax write off deduction is simply a tax benefit and gift for the wealthy..!

That's stupid even for you. The average costs is 10k a year for childcare and you don't think people will pay a couple hundred to have a long form completed? I know you are a shill but you need to up your game.

So you think the person earning $20k a year or $30k gross a year or $40k a year are paying $10k a year for their child care and will take this as a tax deduction?

I got a bridge to sell ya in Brooklyn....

MOST ALL middle and lower class people do not have enough deductions to fill out the long form, it's not laziness.

And child care is already deductible, what donald is doing is lifting the CAP on child care deductions for those RICHER people who are paying the $10k per child for child care,

IT HAS NOTHING at all to do with the middle class or the poor, it benefits those earning much more.

The middle class hasn't been screwed under Obama? Really?

No it hasn't. Really.
It's the GOP who shutdown government. Twice.
It's the GOP who block Jobs bills, health care and infrastructure rebuilding.

But you knew that. You've always know it.

Good grief, toad the middle class has been decimated under Obungle's reign of error and you're one ignorant, stupid sob

I love some these people who haven't taken even economics 101.

Now unless something changes, (which it very well could) it looks like Trump could very well get crushed. That being said, lets look at the reality------------>

1. If President Obysmal would have had the economy grow at the rate of Reagan, he would NOT have had 14 million jobs; he would have had 23 MILLION jobs. For you lefties, that is a negative of around 9 million jobs lost. In fact, Trump is doing the same thing that Reagan did; and Reagan did the same thing Kennedy did. (Where are the Kennedy Democrats anyway?) Amazingly, both Kennedy AND Reagan had massive expansions of the economy, and BOTH administrations, (if you look AFTER Johnson took over) had a great influx of cash into the treasury. But, as one lefty poster put it----------> "don't let facts get in the way of your narrative!)

2. Corporations pay taxes if they make money, moola, deneiro, cash, greenbacks, or peso's for you illegals from South of the border if you want in this conversation. Now then! How do the corporations make money? By selling their products! And who/whom do they sell them to? Why YOU! So, in extrapolation, YOU are paying the taxes, not the corporation, they are just the tax COLLECTOR, because if YOU did not buy the product in enough bulk to give them a profit, they would pay no taxes. Soooooooooooo, if you were to raise their taxes, do you think they would A. pass the cost on down to you, or B. move their base of operations to a friendlier taxing authority? Or both A and B? And if they did either or both, how does that help you!

3. Lets talk about INFRASTRUCTURE-) Regardless if it is Trump or "Her Thighness," where are they going to get the money to do all this INFRASTRUCTURE? Well Trump has said he will lower the tax rate on returning money into the United States to 10%. 10% of 2 Trillion with a very large T, is a whole lot more than 25 or 35% of absolutely nothing. We know the money is going is going to stay gone..........out of here.......or asta la vista baby, (also for illegals if they want in the conversation) because it hasn't come back yet, now has it lefties! And for those of you who want to talk about all this INFRASTRUCTURE REPAIR, explain what happened to that 800 billion that was given to Obama. Where did it all go? And you want to do exactly what? Give another how much, to whom, to do the same thing? Fool us once, shame on you.........fool us twice, shame on all of us! (regardless if Trump or her thighness)

4. Childcare, oh that amazing childcare credit! QUESTION----------->how can YOU deduct something that we pay for YOU? If I make 70,000 dollars, and pay 10,000 in childcare, then it is a tax break for me. Hurray! But if you make 12,000, how can you deduct 10,000? Are you trying to convince the world that after you paid 10 grand to childcare, you lived on 2,000 bucks? Duh! Of course not. You got help from the government. Now remember, after I worked, made 70 grand, paid taxes of around 20% which was 14,000, I get to DEDUCT from my pay instead, 10,000...........which now makes me pay taxes on 60,000. You, on the other hand, get extra money handed back to you from me, and the rest of the taxpayers of this country, because your income dropped further. It is called TRANSFER OF WEALTH!

5. The very infamous death tax! And so, I own a farm, or a manufacturing plant. I have paid taxes on every penny I made. The farm goes up in value, and been in the family for years. I die. And now my heirs have to sell it to pay the taxes I already paid?!?!?!?! And who/whom do they sell it to? Why a large conglomerate, that is getting subsidies. That is how you want this all to work? In other words, double taxation? Consider on a manufacturing plant-----------> I invest 12 million dollars into a plant to build widgets; that I already paid the tax on of the 12 million I invested. It opens, I have 10 people working for me, 5 family members, and 5 Americans. I assume room temperature from a heart attack, and everyone is out of a job because if my heirs do not have the cash to pay upfront the death tax. That is how you lefties want to do business, and you wonder why people flee your jurisdiction and are starting to refuse to invest to open any sort of business?

6. Younger lefties have to ask themselves this question------------> exactly WHY did you go to school? Why did your parents, or you, or BOTH of you pay through the nose to go to college? Has your job search been easy, and are you making what you should be in the field you spent all that money on? I am betting that unless you work for the government, the answer is a resounding, NO! So then, why would you want more of the same that Obysmal has given you, which is exactly what Hillary has promised? The American dream isn't about going to school, and then letting the government throttle you with edicts. How many of you could be the next Bill Gates? The next Henry Ford? Or maybe, the next Jonas Saulk! None of these people, and in fact 99% of our great inventors, made it happen because of government edicts. They did it because of profit! If the government would have hosed them. Edison would NEVER have done what he did. We want LIBERTY for you............for YOU to lead us into the future, with your brains, and yes; if you are highly successful, you will become extremely rich!! What is wrong with that? Today, when you take out your phone, remember all those people got filthy rich! If I could take all their money from them, but in the process have to take your I-phones, Galaxy's, etc..........and your computers too, would YOU vote YES!

That is the dirty little secret liberalism leaves out of their fairytale. Everybody is selfish, and nobody does anything for nothing, unless in charity mode. And how do YOU get in charity mode? Only 2 ways I know of as I write this...........become wealthy under capitalism and give some of it away, or become fleeced as you work your fingers to the bone under socialism. The road forward is something each of you has to decide. How much confidence do you have in yourself, and do you really want to use the degree you and your parents paid for, or rather; was it all just an exercise in futility, and you are willing to accept it!

 

[Oldstyle]

Notice that R-Derp doesn't explain how it is that the Trump plan will screw the Middle Class...he just states that it will...and that "all" the "fact checkers" agree it will! To translate for you..that means all of the folks at Think Progress and the Huffington Post agree it will!

I've seen at least 4 fact checkings on reputable sites, and they all pretty much agree that it's just more of the same old everyone gets a tax cut, and the rich get a much bigger one than the middle class, and it blows up the deficits even more.

I'm not a big fan of dean, but I don't see that it's asking too much for people to read news sites and basically google.

To be quite blunt, Bendog...I think a lot of these "fact check" sites are nothing more than propaganda mills. They allow people like R-Derp to not think because "Politfact" or some other site told them what's right and what's wrong.

When someone's telling me that a statement by Hillary Clinton is "mostly true" when it's quite obvious that Clinton very carefully crafted her statement so that it wouldn't be untrue but it also be a total misrepresentation of what actually took place...it annoys me.

 

[rdean]

The middle class hasn't been screwed under Obama? Really?

Not when unemployment is at 4.7% and there are 5.8 million unfilled jobs. And millions more have health care.

Really!

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The middle class hasn't been screwed under Obama? Really?

Not when unemployment is at 4.7% and there are 5.8 million unfilled jobs. And millions more have health care.

Really!

Derp derp derp....you're about to go ignore, you're just too stupid to read