Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people

[Wyatt earp]

For the same reason that the U.S. cannot decide to be a Christian state, at the expense of Jews, Muslims, Hindus etc.

The US is a Christian state

 

[member]

Such is impossible in Syria.

Why? There're plenty of examples in Syria, as in other countries with a variety of minorities (virtually every one) that don't suffer from civil war.

Diversity is actually a part of Syria´s pride and identity. Whether you are Jew, Muslim, Christian, socialist or right-winger, there is no difference before the law. "Oppressed" Sunnis can even apply Sharia law instead of regular law in a suitcase.

Civil War is also not the correct description. There is no Alawite vs Sunni. It is an attempted Islamist takeover, jihad.

....like israel, too bad it isn't a BASIC law here in America to be .... an american while living here - instead of.....NOT being an american. LoL....only in look-the-other-way-free-for-all america.



July, 2018: ". . .Diversity is actually a part of Syria´s pride and identity. Whether you are Jew, Muslim, Christian, socialist or right-winger, there is no difference before the law."


The law ? what laws in syria? it became a lawless evil hellhole where terrorists took over the country and killed a bunch of people, the gov't unleashed chemical weapons against Men, women & children, and barrel-bombed innocent M/W/C. Pride ?

Bleipreister……


Syrian pride…all those “diverse” people you just mentioned – that doesn't exist. Even when you posted this …gunk -- all that dwells there now is EVIL terrorists and no real government.




"Oppressed" Sunnis can even apply Sharia law instead of regular law in a suitcase."


right, "R e g u l a r L a w" .......in a suitcase...whaah?















Syria is one big insane asylum. like they all are.


Bleipreister …. this wasn't that long ago... your feelings about syria.....



It’s


..one of the most hair-raising things I’ve read from someone about Syria after all the EVIL that has happened there - where this diverse world doesn't exist. ....and how you've tried to paint a picture about Syrian tolerancy and mentioning "laws"....….. you gotta be kidding?.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[rylah]

In what way exactly?
Give me an objective parameter, one that doesn't turn Greece, Jordan, Slovenia or England, into the same perceived "apartheid".

How about PLO demanding a Jew-free state, is that apartheid?

 

[Shusha]

Having to resort to outright lies because facts elude you, huh?

 

[Mindful]

• It is far from clear why the Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip should be concerned about Israel's new Nation-State Law. The Palestinians living in these areas are not Israeli citizens and are not part of the Israeli political system. The Palestinians living in these areas have their own (Palestinian) citizenship, their own flag, their own parliament and their own government. They are not affected by the law in any way. This fact renders their opposition to the law little less than ridiculous.
  
  
• This is the logic of Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinians: Israel defining itself as a Jewish state is an act of "racism" and "apartheid," while, as a matter of course, the future Palestinian state will be an Islamic state governed by Sharia law, and that, presumably, is not an act of "racism" or "apartheid."
  
  
• Before condemning Israel for seeking to preserve its character as a Jewish state, the world needs to explain why it is all right for the Palestinians to plan that their future state will be ruled by Islamic law.
  
  
• We are witnessing yet another remarkable mirror image brought to us by the Palestinians: once again, they seek to deny Israel precisely what they believe should come to them on a silver platter.
  
  It is far from clear, however, why the Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip should be concerned about the new law. The Palestinians living in these areas are not Israeli citizens and are not part of the Israeli political system. The Palestinians living in these areas have their own (Palestinian) citizenship, their own flag, their own parliament and their own government. They are not affected by the law in any way. This fact renders their opposition to the law little less than ridiculous.
  
  Because they have their own parliament and state institutions, the Palestinians are free to pass any laws they wish without seeking permission from Israel or any other party.
  
  Most people are unaware that the Palestinians do have their own laws, including the "Palestinian Basic Law," which was passed by the Palestinian Legislative Council in 2002.
  
  Israel's 'Nationality' Law and Palestinian Lies
  

 

[P F Tinmore]

• It is far from clear why the Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip should be concerned about Israel's new Nation-State Law. The Palestinians living in these areas are not Israeli citizens and are not part of the Israeli political system. The Palestinians living in these areas have their own (Palestinian) citizenship, their own flag, their own parliament and their own government. They are not affected by the law in any way. This fact renders their opposition to the law little less than ridiculous.
  
  
• This is the logic of Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinians: Israel defining itself as a Jewish state is an act of "racism" and "apartheid," while, as a matter of course, the future Palestinian state will be an Islamic state governed by Sharia law, and that, presumably, is not an act of "racism" or "apartheid."
  
  
• Before condemning Israel for seeking to preserve its character as a Jewish state, the world needs to explain why it is all right for the Palestinians to plan that their future state will be ruled by Islamic law.
  
  
• We are witnessing yet another remarkable mirror image brought to us by the Palestinians: once again, they seek to deny Israel precisely what they believe should come to them on a silver platter.
  
  It is far from clear, however, why the Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip should be concerned about the new law. The Palestinians living in these areas are not Israeli citizens and are not part of the Israeli political system. The Palestinians living in these areas have their own (Palestinian) citizenship, their own flag, their own parliament and their own government. They are not affected by the law in any way. This fact renders their opposition to the law little less than ridiculous.
  
  Because they have their own parliament and state institutions, the Palestinians are free to pass any laws they wish without seeking permission from Israel or any other party.
  
  Most people are unaware that the Palestinians do have their own laws, including the "Palestinian Basic Law," which was passed by the Palestinian Legislative Council in 2002.
  
  Israel's 'Nationality' Law and Palestinian Lies

Very misleading bunch of hogwash.

while, as a matter of course, the future Palestinian state will be an Islamic state governed by Sharia law, and that, presumably, is not an act of "racism" or "apartheid."

Dr Mitri Raheb - Seven Things You Never Knew About Palestine And The Palestinians



And much more than just that.

 

[rylah]

• Article Eleven:

This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.

The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988

And much more than that... look up what the 4 colors on the Palestinian flag represent.

 

[rylah]

• It is far from clear why the Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip should be concerned about Israel's new Nation-State Law. The Palestinians living in these areas are not Israeli citizens and are not part of the Israeli political system. The Palestinians living in these areas have their own (Palestinian) citizenship, their own flag, their own parliament and their own government. They are not affected by the law in any way. This fact renders their opposition to the law little less than ridiculous.
  
  
• This is the logic of Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinians: Israel defining itself as a Jewish state is an act of "racism" and "apartheid," while, as a matter of course, the future Palestinian state will be an Islamic state governed by Sharia law, and that, presumably, is not an act of "racism" or "apartheid."
  
  
• Before condemning Israel for seeking to preserve its character as a Jewish state, the world needs to explain why it is all right for the Palestinians to plan that their future state will be ruled by Islamic law.
  
  
• We are witnessing yet another remarkable mirror image brought to us by the Palestinians: once again, they seek to deny Israel precisely what they believe should come to them on a silver platter.
  
  It is far from clear, however, why the Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip should be concerned about the new law. The Palestinians living in these areas are not Israeli citizens and are not part of the Israeli political system. The Palestinians living in these areas have their own (Palestinian) citizenship, their own flag, their own parliament and their own government. They are not affected by the law in any way. This fact renders their opposition to the law little less than ridiculous.
  
  Because they have their own parliament and state institutions, the Palestinians are free to pass any laws they wish without seeking permission from Israel or any other party.
  
  Most people are unaware that the Palestinians do have their own laws, including the "Palestinian Basic Law," which was passed by the Palestinian Legislative Council in 2002.
  
  Israel's 'Nationality' Law and Palestinian Lies

Very misleading bunch of hogwash.

while, as a matter of course, the future Palestinian state will be an Islamic state governed by Sharia law, and that, presumably, is not an act of "racism" or "apartheid."

Dr Mitri Raheb - Seven Things You Never Knew About Palestine And The Palestinians



And much more than just that.

After Saturday comes Sunday

After Saturday comes Sunday (Arabic: min sallaf es-sabt lāqā el-ḥadd qiddāmūh‎, lit. ''When Saturday is gone, one will find Sunday''), is a traditional Arab proverb. In the Arabic speaking Maronite community of Lebanon, the proverb has been current in the sense that Muslims will do away with Christians after they have dealt with the Jews.[3][4]

 

[Mindful]

From the Palestine National Charter:

Article 20: The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate Document, and everything based upon them are deemed null and void. The claim of historical or religious ties between Jews and Palestine does not tally with historical realities, nor with the constituents of statehood in their true sense. Judaism, in its character as a religion, is not a nationality with an independent existence. Likewise, the Jews are not one people with an independent identity. They are rather citizens of the states to which they belong.

^Someone should have told Hitler that last.

 

[Hollie]

Indeed, more of your endless befuddlement. Israel is not a “Jews only” nation. That seems obvious to thinking humans, not that I’m accusing you of that.

How would you describe the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza’istan with regard to their status as Judenrein?

 

[Mindful]

Indeed, more of your endless befuddlement. Israel is not a “Jews only” nation. That seems obvious to thinking humans, not that I’m accusing you of that.

How would you describe the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza’istan with regard to their status as Judenrein?

Yeah. All the Jews were kicked out of that place.

And what did they get for their 'gesture'?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people
※→ et al,

As I was writing my response today (Posting #5350), I was reminded of this thread and the underlying importance to the question.

From the Palestine National Charter:

Article 20: The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate Document, and everything based upon them are deemed null and void. The claim of historical or religious ties between Jews and Palestine does not tally with historical realities, nor with the constituents of statehood in their true sense. Judaism, in its character as a religion, is not a nationality with an independent existence. Likewise, the Jews are not one people with an independent identity. They are rather citizens of the states to which they belong.

^Someone should have told Hitler that last.

(COMMENT)

The "Jewish State" was a documented idea behind the partition as it was envisioned by the UN in 1947. It is not something that the Jewish People invented with the Basic Law (Posting #1).

The basic conflict is now, as it has always been, and that is the disregard for the survival of the Jewish People. Humanity has failed the Jewish People dozens and dozens of times in the last thousand years, using one pretext or another in order to strip the Jews of there wealth and property. We must not fall into that same pit again. We must not allow the Middle East Majority (Muslims) to trample the essential needs of the Jewish People (a home → The Jewish National Home). Behind all the major movements for human rights, the background story has always been the classic struggle of the Majority 'vs' Minority.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[USAF 2023]

Indeed, more of your endless befuddlement. Israel is not a “Jews only” nation. That seems obvious to thinking humans, not that I’m accusing you of that.

How would you describe the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza’istan with regard to their status as Judenrein?

Frankly I’m surprised he would make such a stupid and ignorant comment ( as opposeto the Pollack and other posters) Let him
“ prove” that the Israelis want Arabs living in Israel get kicked out.
There is never any response to PA declaring No Israelis or denying them access to the Western Wall
What I noticed ( Surprised that nobody else commented) is that ALL of Israel is now “ Palestine “ but it’s the Israelis that are apartheid?!!!

 

[Sixties Fan]

Why All the Outrage over Israel’s Nation-State Law?

 

[Sixties Fan]

The seminar apparently called the law "racist" before the meeting occurred.

One of the "experts" who spoke at the seminar shows how "intellectual" the event was.

The President of the Solidarity Society of the Palestinian community in Tunisia said that the main aim of the law was to expel one and a half million Muslim and Christian Arabs to the West Bank. Phase 2 is to expand the border of Israel to reach from the Nile to the Euphrates.

It's a good thing we have Arab experts to explain things for us.

(full article online)

"Intellectual seminar" in Tunisia: Israel's Nation State law is meant to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

4.

The truth is that the Law of Return and the nation-state law are simple, natural laws, because at their core lies the deep, moral foundation on which the state of Israel was established as the nation state of the Jewish people. There is one state in all the world that is the homeland of the people of Israel. It is where the Jews have the right to realize the prophecies of the Biblical prophets and to ingather the exiles after years of wandering outside our national home, under constant existential threat. Israel has a historical responsibility for every Jew, wherever they may be. You can't accuse a family of racism for preferring a family member over a stranger, particularly when the family has the kind of bloody history that the family of the Jews has. But regardless of all this, within the national confines, every individual has the right to equal citizenship, without exception.

The critics of the law have a problem with the very meaning of the Jews' return to history. Establishing a state means having to use force. It means police and military action. In other words, it is a shift from being exclusively a cultural civilization and becoming a national entity, adding another dimension to the identity. This is difficult for some Jews, who would prefer to remain the victims rather than hold the sword - in their eyes, that's what Esau would do, not Jacob. Some of these Jews opted to remain in exile, where other people can handle the use of force and the Jews are free to focus on the spirit, commerce and culture.

Schocken, Haaretz's publisher, told me that his problem with nationalism is that "Judaism has nothing to do with nationalism. Judaism is cool." As a rule, he argued, "all this nationalism that you people have stuffed into Judaism is a sign of serious regression."

In short, Judaism is agreeable as long as it is nothing more than folklore, an intellectual amusement, fertile ground for academic research, general prophets' ethics, or even just a religion. But when nationalism becomes involved, it's a different story.

But the truth is that Judaism has never been just a religion. We were a nation thousands of years ago. That is the unique character of our people, as it was recorded in the Bible. It is a national movement that centers around a moral idea that also manifests in a religious manner. It is the national aspect of Judaism that supports the spiritual, moral and religious dimensions not just in the lives of individuals, as righteous as they may be, but in the collective life of a nation comprising all walks of life. Anyone looking to remove the national dimension from Judaism, or sees it as a "serious regression," is trying to alter our identity. That is precisely what the debate is about.

(full article online)

http://www.israelhayom.com/2018/11/16/another-type-of-anti-semitic-incitement/

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You have proven nothing about Israel being a religious State.

Their government being interwined with the Jewish religious institution shows they are not a secular state. No other proof is required, that is conclusive.

 

[Sixties Fan]

You have proven nothing about Israel being a religious State.

Their government being interwined with the Jewish religious institution shows they are not a secular state. No other proof is required, that is conclusive.

You are saying nothing. Nothing. Intertwined in what way. What does that mean?

Or are you mainly saying that because Israel is a Jewish State, as defined by law, that it is a religious State?

Italy, Brazil, all of Europe and the Americas are Christian States?
Are they all religious, then?

Your issue is with Israel defining itself, and rightfully so, with being Jewish. Is it not?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You have proven nothing about Israel being a religious State.

Their government being interwined with the Jewish religious institution shows they are not a secular state. No other proof is required, that is conclusive.

You are saying nothing. Nothing. Intertwined in what way. What does that mean?

Or are you mainly saying that because Israel is a Jewish State, as defined by law, that it is a religious State?

Italy, Brazil, all of Europe and the Americas are Christian States?
Are they all religious, then?

Your issue is with Israel defining itself, and rightfully so, with being Jewish. Is it not?

Israel is, now officially by law, a Jewish supremacy state. On the ground, this means special status for Jews, promotion of new, Jewish only communities, and material sponsorship of Jewish places of worship. The secular forces in the Israeli government are stymied by the right wing and the haredi, and by a corrupt, authoritarian prime minister with an affinity for totalitarian states and their postures. His totalitarianism is for Jews and Judaism.

You do know Judaism is a religion....right?