Sorry, but the delusion that :Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?
Arab Palestinians have nationality rights in a hopefully if they can get their act together future state of Palestine.
Arab Israelis can exercise their Israeli nationality in Israel.
A nationality is formed around a culture. You aren't suggesting that Arab Israeli is a separate and distinct culture from Arab Palestinian, are you?
I am to the degree that they've formed something of their own culture with regional differences including dialect, we did talk about that in other threads and doubtless don't agree . But it's irrelevant.
Israel is a new state, imposed on a region with multiple ethnic groups already residing there. It has since decided create a "nationality" law that only includes ONE of those groups despite the fact that most of those groups have been in that region since ancient history. As a state does Israel have the right to do that? Yes. Any state does. Does it make it right? That is questionable. How can you maintain equality?
Think about it - you are citizen of Israel. You have served in the IDF, defended your country, supported it, and were born there. But now - because you are NOT Jewish - you do not have any "national rights" there. There is no way to look at that and not somehow see yourself as a different category of citizen. As an outsider or somehow less than. Why should you fight for Israel and defend it?
Nationality - Wikipedia
Nationality is a legal relationship between an individual person and a state.[1] Nationality affords the state jurisdiction over the person and affords the person the protection of the state. What these rights and duties are varies from state to state.[2]
By custom and international conventions, it is the right of each state to determine who its nationals are.[3] Such determinations are part of nationality law. In some cases, determinations of nationality are also governed by public international law—for example, by treaties on statelessness and the European Convention on Nationality.
Nationality differs technically and legally from citizenship, which is a different legal relationship between a person and a country. The noun national can include both citizens and non-citizens. The most common distinguishing feature of citizenship is that citizens have the right to participate in the political life of the state, such as by voting or standing for election. However, in most modern countries all nationals are citizens of the state, and full citizens are always nationals of the state.[1][4]
In older texts, the word nationality rather than ethnicity, often used to refer to an ethnic group (a group of people who share a common ethnic identity, language, culture, descent, history, and so forth). This older meaning of nationality is not defined by political borders or passport ownership and includes nations that lack an independent state (such as the Arameans, Scots, Welsh, English, Basques, Catalans, Kurds, Kabyles, Baloch, Berbers, Bosniaks, Kashmiris, Palestinians, Sindhi, Tamils, Hmong, Inuit, Copts, Māori, Sikhs, Wakhi and Székelys).[citation needed]
The Jews seem to be "imposing" their will on all other "ancient people" of the land.
There is no such thing.
The Jewish People are the most ancient of those people. The Palestinian Arabs are not. Neither would be the Greeks, the Romans or any other people who stayed after they invaded and conquered the land after the Jewish People had established themselves over 3000 years ago.
There are no Philistines.
There are no Amorites.
There are no Hitites, etc. to come and claim the land as the ancient people from that very place.
There are no Romans, Greeks, Crusaders claiming anything over the Jewish People's rights to their ancient homeland.
Are you to tell me that all people who now inhabit Kurdistan (even though not allow to declare Independence) have the same National rights as the descendants of the ancient Kurds?
Do the Yazidis who fled to that area have the right to demand some National rights to the land, which should only be for the Kurdish people?
We will have to agree to disagree on this, since I don't want to derail this into another thread on who is indiginous. There are multiple indiginous groups there, and they all have rights.
The question is - how do you maintain equality? In most modern countries citizenship confers nationality rights.
It is a very simple example, which shows how the descendants of the Jewish People are the ones with the rights for any National self-determination definition on that land.
It does not take away one bit the rights of all of those who are not Jewish, and are either citizens or residents of Israel.
Their rights are written in the laws of the land.
What they do not have the right to do, as Arabs, etc, is to demand that Israel be their Ancestral national anything in place of the Jewish People's rights, which is Exactly what the Muslim Arabs have been doing in the past decades with their endless "The Jews are from Europe", "There was no Temple Mount", "There were no Jews in the area", etc, which continues to come hard and furious from the Arab side.
Why does it have to be in place of? Why can't any citizen of Israel have nationality rights in Israel? If a Palestinian state is ever established, there will likely be Jewish communities within it. Jewish communities in those areas should have every right to nationality rights within Palestine.
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Individual rights, Netanyahu said, are anchored in many of the Jewish state’s (existing) laws, but not so Jewish national rights. No one was harmed by the Nationality Law and no one intends to to harm anyone’s individual rights.
(full article online)
Netanyahu at Cabinet Meeting: Israel is the National State of the Jewish People, Exclusively
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The only reason why so many are complaining is because it is the State of the Jews.
Any other place on the planet, they will never care less.
I think that remains to be seen. Most other modern countries do not confer nationality rights only to one ethnic group.
That is exactly the point:'Sorry, but the delusion that :Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?
Arab Palestinians have nationality rights in a hopefully if they can get their act together future state of Palestine.
Arab Israelis can exercise their Israeli nationality in Israel.
A nationality is formed around a culture. You aren't suggesting that Arab Israeli is a separate and distinct culture from Arab Palestinian, are you?
I am to the degree that they've formed something of their own culture with regional differences including dialect, we did talk about that in other threads and doubtless don't agree . But it's irrelevant.
Israel is a new state, imposed on a region with multiple ethnic groups already residing there. It has since decided create a "nationality" law that only includes ONE of those groups despite the fact that most of those groups have been in that region since ancient history. As a state does Israel have the right to do that? Yes. Any state does. Does it make it right? That is questionable. How can you maintain equality?
Think about it - you are citizen of Israel. You have served in the IDF, defended your country, supported it, and were born there. But now - because you are NOT Jewish - you do not have any "national rights" there. There is no way to look at that and not somehow see yourself as a different category of citizen. As an outsider or somehow less than. Why should you fight for Israel and defend it?
Nationality - Wikipedia
Nationality is a legal relationship between an individual person and a state.[1] Nationality affords the state jurisdiction over the person and affords the person the protection of the state. What these rights and duties are varies from state to state.[2]
By custom and international conventions, it is the right of each state to determine who its nationals are.[3] Such determinations are part of nationality law. In some cases, determinations of nationality are also governed by public international law—for example, by treaties on statelessness and the European Convention on Nationality.
Nationality differs technically and legally from citizenship, which is a different legal relationship between a person and a country. The noun national can include both citizens and non-citizens. The most common distinguishing feature of citizenship is that citizens have the right to participate in the political life of the state, such as by voting or standing for election. However, in most modern countries all nationals are citizens of the state, and full citizens are always nationals of the state.[1][4]
In older texts, the word nationality rather than ethnicity, often used to refer to an ethnic group (a group of people who share a common ethnic identity, language, culture, descent, history, and so forth). This older meaning of nationality is not defined by political borders or passport ownership and includes nations that lack an independent state (such as the Arameans, Scots, Welsh, English, Basques, Catalans, Kurds, Kabyles, Baloch, Berbers, Bosniaks, Kashmiris, Palestinians, Sindhi, Tamils, Hmong, Inuit, Copts, Māori, Sikhs, Wakhi and Székelys).[citation needed]
The Jews seem to be "imposing" their will on all other "ancient people" of the land.
There is no such thing.
The Jewish People are the most ancient of those people. The Palestinian Arabs are not. Neither would be the Greeks, the Romans or any other people who stayed after they invaded and conquered the land after the Jewish People had established themselves over 3000 years ago.
There are no Philistines.
There are no Amorites.
There are no Hitites, etc. to come and claim the land as the ancient people from that very place.
There are no Romans, Greeks, Crusaders claiming anything over the Jewish People's rights to their ancient homeland.
Are you to tell me that all people who now inhabit Kurdistan (even though not allow to declare Independence) have the same National rights as the descendants of the ancient Kurds?
Do the Yazidis who fled to that area have the right to demand some National rights to the land, which should only be for the Kurdish people?
We will have to agree to disagree on this, since I don't want to derail this into another thread on who is indiginous. There are multiple indiginous groups there, and they all have rights.
The question is - how do you maintain equality? In most modern countries citizenship confers nationality rights.
It is a very simple example, which shows how the descendants of the Jewish People are the ones with the rights for any National self-determination definition on that land.
It does not take away one bit the rights of all of those who are not Jewish, and are either citizens or residents of Israel.
Their rights are written in the laws of the land.
What they do not have the right to do, as Arabs, etc, is to demand that Israel be their Ancestral national anything in place of the Jewish People's rights, which is Exactly what the Muslim Arabs have been doing in the past decades with their endless "The Jews are from Europe", "There was no Temple Mount", "There were no Jews in the area", etc, which continues to come hard and furious from the Arab side.
Why does it have to be in place of? Why can't any citizen of Israel have nationality rights in Israel? If a Palestinian state is ever established, there will likely be Jewish communities within it. Jewish communities in those areas should have every right to nationality rights within Palestine.
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Individual rights, Netanyahu said, are anchored in many of the Jewish state’s (existing) laws, but not so Jewish national rights. No one was harmed by the Nationality Law and no one intends to to harm anyone’s individual rights.
(full article online)
Netanyahu at Cabinet Meeting: Israel is the National State of the Jewish People, Exclusively
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The only reason why so many are complaining is because it is the State of the Jews.
Any other place on the planet, they will never care less.
I think that remains to be seen. Most other modern countries do not confer nationality rights only to one ethnic group.
There are NO OTHER INDIGENOUS PEOPLE with rights to the land and self determination but the Jewish People.
There never has been.
No other people has ever declared indigenous rights to the land of Israel before 1948.
Self Determination is different from "National Rights" to think of myself as an American.
I am not descendant from the First Nations of America. Not one of them.
I do not have the right to demand the same rights to self determination over their ancestral lands as they do. I never will.
Therefore, if the Apaches choose to declare self-determination over their ancient homeland, no other First Nation can do the same, and neither can any European or Asian who came over after 1492.
Therefore, here we have the Arabs, who came into the land 2400 years after the Jewish People established their Nation, culture, etc, saying that They have exactly the same rights, or worse, they have more rights to self-determination over the land then the Jewish People.
And that is exactly what you and others cannot come to understand.
I completely understand and completely disagree. There are mutliple indiginous groups, not just one. But you believe only one has rights to that region. And that is the problem - each side only believes in the legitimacy of their side's position.
