Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people

And, just for a fact check, NO dear, Spain is NOT the only country that compels citizens to learn the language of the majority... Think about it for **** sake!

Link?

Hahaha let's see if you can actually engage your brain...

France - French speaking nation... What is the first language that French children learn?

Germany - German speaking nation... What is the first language that German children learn?

You are flogging a dead horse with your "state compulsory" bullshit Shusha...

Did you not read my previous post where I told you that, to be a resident of the country I live in, I had to pass a language test?

Give it up Shusha... You have ZERO argument! Just accept and move on!

Have you even bothered to read Spain's Constitution?

The wording of the Constitution states that is is the DUTY of every Spanish citizen to learn Castilian. As far as I know, no other country compels learning a specific language as a constitutional requirement.

Are you agreeing that this is perfectly fair and reasonable to have in a Constitution? If yes, just say so. Its not hard.

I lived in Spain Shusha... I know what is and isn't required!

I know, let's try this... Turn up in Spain, with zero knowledge of Spanish and see how long you last! No, I am NOT talking about the Costas, I am talking about real Spain where English is hardly spoken... In fact, 'your' compulsory Spanish is also hardly spoken!

You need to get into the real world Shusha...

Let me tell you AGAIN....

I am resident in a country where it is compulsory to speak the language of the country or you are simply NOT going to be resident... This, in case you are unaware, is becoming a Europe wide requirement!

Now, either accept the facts or, respectfully, shut the **** up!

Meanwhile, you are in luck. I am off to NYC for work and you won't hear much from me in the next two weeks. Have a lovely vacay from me. MMMMWHA.

Oh thats a shame Shusha...

Nice way to avoid having to deal with your belief in "positive discrimination".

Though, to be honest, once a zionut always a zionut eh.

Of course, let me just touch on the Spain bee in your bonnet...

Did you actually read that I had to learn a new language to be resident?

Did you read that MANY countries in Europe are insisting on being of a linguistic level, as natives, before you can achieve residency?

Nah, of course you didn't!

That bee a buzzin in your head is blocking factual statements!

Enjoy your trip... We can discuss you being an apartheid promoter, discrimination believing nazi upon your return.
 
yet they're distinctly Kurds plain and simple.

What makes them distinctly Kurds?
They weren't Kurds until they were called Kurds. Like everybody else, they weren't until they were.

That's just idiotic.
A mere name doesn't make a distinct people,
but we all know why You're trying to sell us this BS,

Your guys don't even know the meaning of "Palestine" - the name of their fantasy nation.
 
You are oblivious to the fact that Israel has two rights systems. There are citizens rights where all citizens have (more or less) equal rights. Then there are nationality rights. Only the Jewish nationality has access to these rights

Only the Jewish people have nationality rights IN ISRAEL. Others have nationality rights elsewhere. That is actually how the global system currently works. Citizens have national rights in their nation.

Are you suggesting that the Jewish people should have nationality rights in Palestine? Or not?
Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?
 
You are oblivious to the fact that Israel has two rights systems. There are citizens rights where all citizens have (more or less) equal rights. Then there are nationality rights. Only the Jewish nationality has access to these rights

Only the Jewish people have nationality rights IN ISRAEL. Others have nationality rights elsewhere. That is actually how the global system currently works. Citizens have national rights in their nation.

Are you suggesting that the Jewish people should have nationality rights in Palestine? Or not?
Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?

Arab Palestinians have nationality rights in a hopefully if they can get their act together future state of Palestine.

Arab Israelis can exercise their Israeli nationality in Israel.

A nationality is formed around a culture. You aren't suggesting that Arab Israeli is a separate and distinct culture from Arab Palestinian, are you?
 
You are oblivious to the fact that Israel has two rights systems. There are citizens rights where all citizens have (more or less) equal rights. Then there are nationality rights. Only the Jewish nationality has access to these rights

Only the Jewish people have nationality rights IN ISRAEL. Others have nationality rights elsewhere. That is actually how the global system currently works. Citizens have national rights in their nation.

Are you suggesting that the Jewish people should have nationality rights in Palestine? Or not?
Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?
Ever heard of the Arabian Peninsula?
Being Arabs they would have the right to any of the nationalities
created in the past century. Saudi, Yemenite, etc, etc.
It all depends on where their ancestors came from in the first place within that Peninsula, would it not?

Irish Americans are Americans, but their ancestral roots are in Ireland.

Arab Israelis are Israelis, but their ancestral roots are in Arabia.

One gets the gist.
 
You are oblivious to the fact that Israel has two rights systems. There are citizens rights where all citizens have (more or less) equal rights. Then there are nationality rights. Only the Jewish nationality has access to these rights

Only the Jewish people have nationality rights IN ISRAEL. Others have nationality rights elsewhere. That is actually how the global system currently works. Citizens have national rights in their nation.

Are you suggesting that the Jewish people should have nationality rights in Palestine? Or not?
Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?

Arab Palestinians have nationality rights in a hopefully if they can get their act together future state of Palestine.

Arab Israelis can exercise their Israeli nationality in Israel.

A nationality is formed around a culture. You aren't suggesting that Arab Israeli is a separate and distinct culture from Arab Palestinian, are you?
In a broader international legal context, the “Nationality law...showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship”.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the international law perspective. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British Government rightly pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine”. And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality”.

https://doc.rero.ch/record/9065/files/these.pdf
 
You are oblivious to the fact that Israel has two rights systems. There are citizens rights where all citizens have (more or less) equal rights. Then there are nationality rights. Only the Jewish nationality has access to these rights

Only the Jewish people have nationality rights IN ISRAEL. Others have nationality rights elsewhere. That is actually how the global system currently works. Citizens have national rights in their nation.

Are you suggesting that the Jewish people should have nationality rights in Palestine? Or not?
Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?

Arab Palestinians have nationality rights in a hopefully if they can get their act together future state of Palestine.

Arab Israelis can exercise their Israeli nationality in Israel.

A nationality is formed around a culture. You aren't suggesting that Arab Israeli is a separate and distinct culture from Arab Palestinian, are you?
In a broader international legal context, the “Nationality law...showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship”.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the international law perspective. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British Government rightly pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine”. And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality”.

https://doc.rero.ch/record/9065/files/these.pdf

And what's Your point?
 
You are oblivious to the fact that Israel has two rights systems. There are citizens rights where all citizens have (more or less) equal rights. Then there are nationality rights. Only the Jewish nationality has access to these rights

Only the Jewish people have nationality rights IN ISRAEL. Others have nationality rights elsewhere. That is actually how the global system currently works. Citizens have national rights in their nation.

Are you suggesting that the Jewish people should have nationality rights in Palestine? Or not?
Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?

Arab Palestinians have nationality rights in a hopefully if they can get their act together future state of Palestine.

Arab Israelis can exercise their Israeli nationality in Israel.

A nationality is formed around a culture. You aren't suggesting that Arab Israeli is a separate and distinct culture from Arab Palestinian, are you?
In a broader international legal context, the “Nationality law...showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship”.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the international law perspective. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British Government rightly pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine”. And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality”.

https://doc.rero.ch/record/9065/files/these.pdf

And what's Your point?
Glad you asked. Moved it to here:

The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

to stay on topic.
 
You are oblivious to the fact that Israel has two rights systems. There are citizens rights where all citizens have (more or less) equal rights. Then there are nationality rights. Only the Jewish nationality has access to these rights

Only the Jewish people have nationality rights IN ISRAEL. Others have nationality rights elsewhere. That is actually how the global system currently works. Citizens have national rights in their nation.

Are you suggesting that the Jewish people should have nationality rights in Palestine? Or not?
Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?

Arab Palestinians have nationality rights in a hopefully if they can get their act together future state of Palestine.

Arab Israelis can exercise their Israeli nationality in Israel.

A nationality is formed around a culture. You aren't suggesting that Arab Israeli is a separate and distinct culture from Arab Palestinian, are you?
In a broader international legal context, the “Nationality law...showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship”.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the international law perspective. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British Government rightly pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine”. And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality”.

https://doc.rero.ch/record/9065/files/these.pdf

The problem with this is that there were two distinct nationalities within the territory. Could not be more clear. Hence the conflict. The solution is to form two states. Always has been. Standard procedure globally in cases like this.
 
You are oblivious to the fact that Israel has two rights systems. There are citizens rights where all citizens have (more or less) equal rights. Then there are nationality rights. Only the Jewish nationality has access to these rights

Only the Jewish people have nationality rights IN ISRAEL. Others have nationality rights elsewhere. That is actually how the global system currently works. Citizens have national rights in their nation.

Are you suggesting that the Jewish people should have nationality rights in Palestine? Or not?
Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?

Arab Palestinians have nationality rights in a hopefully if they can get their act together future state of Palestine.

Arab Israelis can exercise their Israeli nationality in Israel.

A nationality is formed around a culture. You aren't suggesting that Arab Israeli is a separate and distinct culture from Arab Palestinian, are you?
In a broader international legal context, the “Nationality law...showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship”.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the international law perspective. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British Government rightly pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine”. And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality”.

https://doc.rero.ch/record/9065/files/these.pdf

The problem with this is that there were two distinct nationalities within the territory. Could not be more clear. Hence the conflict. The solution is to form two states. Always has been. Standard procedure globally in cases like this.
Indeed, natives and colonial settlers.
 
Only the Jewish people have nationality rights IN ISRAEL. Others have nationality rights elsewhere. That is actually how the global system currently works. Citizens have national rights in their nation.

Are you suggesting that the Jewish people should have nationality rights in Palestine? Or not?
Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?

Arab Palestinians have nationality rights in a hopefully if they can get their act together future state of Palestine.

Arab Israelis can exercise their Israeli nationality in Israel.

A nationality is formed around a culture. You aren't suggesting that Arab Israeli is a separate and distinct culture from Arab Palestinian, are you?
In a broader international legal context, the “Nationality law...showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship”.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the international law perspective. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British Government rightly pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine”. And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality”.

https://doc.rero.ch/record/9065/files/these.pdf

The problem with this is that there were two distinct nationalities within the territory. Could not be more clear. Hence the conflict. The solution is to form two states. Always has been. Standard procedure globally in cases like this.
Indeed, natives and colonial settlers.
A reminder to all the Tinmores of the world:

 
You are oblivious to the fact that Israel has two rights systems. There are citizens rights where all citizens have (more or less) equal rights. Then there are nationality rights. Only the Jewish nationality has access to these rights

Only the Jewish people have nationality rights IN ISRAEL. Others have nationality rights elsewhere. That is actually how the global system currently works. Citizens have national rights in their nation.

Are you suggesting that the Jewish people should have nationality rights in Palestine? Or not?
Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?
Ever heard of the Arabian Peninsula?
Being Arabs they would have the right to any of the nationalities
created in the past century. Saudi, Yemenite, etc, etc.
It all depends on where their ancestors came from in the first place within that Peninsula, would it not?

Not really. Because many Palestinians descend from older native people's in the area. Not Yemen. We don't even know where they all come from, the nations and countries that existed then do not now. People migrate, from before known history. Even Israel is not old. It's a newly invented state.

Irish Americans are Americans, but their ancestral roots are in Ireland.

Arab Israelis are Israelis, but their ancestral roots are in Arabia.

One gets the gist.

Many Palestinians have their ancestral roots in what is now Israel.

They are citizens of Israel, Israel was formed AROUND them. They didn't move in.

So where do the Non-Jewish citizens of Israel have national rights? How about people of mixed ancestry? That would include both Palestinians and Jews. Where are their national rights?

If you are a citizen, of a state, that is where your national rights should be. Anything else will lead to a multi-tiered system, and inevitably that leads to some inequality and a division between "real Israeli's" and others.
 
You are oblivious to the fact that Israel has two rights systems. There are citizens rights where all citizens have (more or less) equal rights. Then there are nationality rights. Only the Jewish nationality has access to these rights

Only the Jewish people have nationality rights IN ISRAEL. Others have nationality rights elsewhere. That is actually how the global system currently works. Citizens have national rights in their nation.

Are you suggesting that the Jewish people should have nationality rights in Palestine? Or not?
Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?

Arab Palestinians have nationality rights in a hopefully if they can get their act together future state of Palestine.

Arab Israelis can exercise their Israeli nationality in Israel.

A nationality is formed around a culture. You aren't suggesting that Arab Israeli is a separate and distinct culture from Arab Palestinian, are you?

I am to the degree that they've formed something of their own culture with regional differences including dialect, we did talk about that in other threads and doubtless don't agree . But it's irrelevant.

Israel is a new state, imposed on a region with multiple ethnic groups already residing there. It has since decided create a "nationality" law that only includes ONE of those groups despite the fact that most of those groups have been in that region since ancient history. As a state does Israel have the right to do that? Yes. Any state does. Does it make it right? That is questionable. How can you maintain equality?

Think about it - you are citizen of Israel. You have served in the IDF, defended your country, supported it, and were born there. But now - because you are NOT Jewish - you do not have any "national rights" there. There is no way to look at that and not somehow see yourself as a different category of citizen. As an outsider or somehow less than. Why should you fight for Israel and defend it?



Nationality - Wikipedia
Nationality is a legal relationship between an individual person and a state.[1] Nationality affords the state jurisdiction over the person and affords the person the protection of the state. What these rights and duties are varies from state to state.[2]

By custom and international conventions, it is the right of each state to determine who its nationals are.[3] Such determinations are part of nationality law. In some cases, determinations of nationality are also governed by public international law—for example, by treaties on statelessness and the European Convention on Nationality.

Nationality differs technically and legally from citizenship, which is a different legal relationship between a person and a country. The noun national can include both citizens and non-citizens. The most common distinguishing feature of citizenship is that citizens have the right to participate in the political life of the state, such as by voting or standing for election. However, in most modern countries all nationals are citizens of the state, and full citizens are always nationals of the state.[1][4]

In older texts, the word nationality rather than ethnicity, often used to refer to an ethnic group (a group of people who share a common ethnic identity, language, culture, descent, history, and so forth). This older meaning of nationality is not defined by political borders or passport ownership and includes nations that lack an independent state (such as the Arameans, Scots, Welsh, English, Basques, Catalans, Kurds, Kabyles, Baloch, Berbers, Bosniaks, Kashmiris, Palestinians, Sindhi, Tamils, Hmong, Inuit, Copts, Māori, Sikhs, Wakhi and Székelys).[citation needed]
 
You are oblivious to the fact that Israel has two rights systems. There are citizens rights where all citizens have (more or less) equal rights. Then there are nationality rights. Only the Jewish nationality has access to these rights

Only the Jewish people have nationality rights IN ISRAEL. Others have nationality rights elsewhere. That is actually how the global system currently works. Citizens have national rights in their nation.

Are you suggesting that the Jewish people should have nationality rights in Palestine? Or not?
Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?
Ever heard of the Arabian Peninsula?
Being Arabs they would have the right to any of the nationalities
created in the past century. Saudi, Yemenite, etc, etc.
It all depends on where their ancestors came from in the first place within that Peninsula, would it not?

Not really. Because many Palestinians descend from older native people's in the area. Not Yemen. We don't even know where they all come from, the nations and countries that existed then do not now. People migrate, from before known history. Even Israel is not old. It's a newly invented state.

Irish Americans are Americans, but their ancestral roots are in Ireland.

Arab Israelis are Israelis, but their ancestral roots are in Arabia.

One gets the gist.

Many Palestinians have their ancestral roots in what is now Israel.

They are citizens of Israel, Israel was formed AROUND them. They didn't move in.

So where do the Non-Jewish citizens of Israel have national rights? How about people of mixed ancestry? That would include both Palestinians and Jews. Where are their national rights?

If you are a citizen, of a state, that is where your national rights should be. Anything else will lead to a multi-tiered system, and inevitably that leads to some inequality and a division between "real Israeli's" and others.
Arabs, Druze, Bedouins and all others, if they are citizens of Israel that is where their national rights are.

The rest of what you wrote does not apply to the Arabs in general.

Which Palestinians are you talking about who have ancient roots in the land of Israel before the Muslim Arab invasion?

The Jewish People encompasses ALL of the nations, peoples who lived on the land of Israel before the Muslim Arab invasion.

Modern Israel is not old.

Ancient Israel, with its population, culture, religion, laws, etc, which dealt with ALL of the people who lived there at the time is 3000 years old. And the descendants know very well who they are, scattered around the world or not.

Please read some of the articles posted again.

ALL citizens in Modern Israel have THE SAME RIGHTS under Israeli law.

Do not mix Jews and non Jews living in Israel with "Rea Israelis" or anything else. It does not work.

There are citizens of Israel .
There are residents of Israel.

The laws take care of all of them.
 
You are oblivious to the fact that Israel has two rights systems. There are citizens rights where all citizens have (more or less) equal rights. Then there are nationality rights. Only the Jewish nationality has access to these rights

Only the Jewish people have nationality rights IN ISRAEL. Others have nationality rights elsewhere. That is actually how the global system currently works. Citizens have national rights in their nation.

Are you suggesting that the Jewish people should have nationality rights in Palestine? Or not?
Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?
Ever heard of the Arabian Peninsula?
Being Arabs they would have the right to any of the nationalities
created in the past century. Saudi, Yemenite, etc, etc.
It all depends on where their ancestors came from in the first place within that Peninsula, would it not?

Not really. Because many Palestinians descend from older native people's in the area. Not Yemen. We don't even know where they all come from, the nations and countries that existed then do not now. People migrate, from before known history. Even Israel is not old. It's a newly invented state.

Irish Americans are Americans, but their ancestral roots are in Ireland.

Arab Israelis are Israelis, but their ancestral roots are in Arabia.

One gets the gist.

Many Palestinians have their ancestral roots in what is now Israel.

They are citizens of Israel, Israel was formed AROUND them. They didn't move in.

So where do the Non-Jewish citizens of Israel have national rights? How about people of mixed ancestry? That would include both Palestinians and Jews. Where are their national rights?

If you are a citizen, of a state, that is where your national rights should be. Anything else will lead to a multi-tiered system, and inevitably that leads to some inequality and a division between "real Israeli's" and others.


The term "Palestinian" was not even invented until the middle part of the twentieth century. It was just a propaganda ploy to hoodwink people into seeing Arabs as victim when they were really the aggressor. Arabs have attacked the fledgling state en masse on more than one occasion, yet we are told it was "Palestinians" who are the victims.

It's a great sleight of hand if you can get away with it.

There should be no more furor over Israel's establishment as the Jewish state than there is over all those states established as Arab. The reason there IS such an uproar is patently obvious -- the identity of the people for whom such a state represents their self determination. The utter hypocrisy of the double standards removes all but one single explanation for such, and that is antisemitism.
 
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You are oblivious to the fact that Israel has two rights systems. There are citizens rights where all citizens have (more or less) equal rights. Then there are nationality rights. Only the Jewish nationality has access to these rights

Only the Jewish people have nationality rights IN ISRAEL. Others have nationality rights elsewhere. That is actually how the global system currently works. Citizens have national rights in their nation.

Are you suggesting that the Jewish people should have nationality rights in Palestine? Or not?
Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?

Arab Palestinians have nationality rights in a hopefully if they can get their act together future state of Palestine.

Arab Israelis can exercise their Israeli nationality in Israel.

A nationality is formed around a culture. You aren't suggesting that Arab Israeli is a separate and distinct culture from Arab Palestinian, are you?

I am to the degree that they've formed something of their own culture with regional differences including dialect, we did talk about that in other threads and doubtless don't agree . But it's irrelevant.

Israel is a new state, imposed on a region with multiple ethnic groups already residing there. It has since decided create a "nationality" law that only includes ONE of those groups despite the fact that most of those groups have been in that region since ancient history. As a state does Israel have the right to do that? Yes. Any state does. Does it make it right? That is questionable. How can you maintain equality?

Think about it - you are citizen of Israel. You have served in the IDF, defended your country, supported it, and were born there. But now - because you are NOT Jewish - you do not have any "national rights" there. There is no way to look at that and not somehow see yourself as a different category of citizen. As an outsider or somehow less than. Why should you fight for Israel and defend it?



Nationality - Wikipedia
Nationality is a legal relationship between an individual person and a state.[1] Nationality affords the state jurisdiction over the person and affords the person the protection of the state. What these rights and duties are varies from state to state.[2]

By custom and international conventions, it is the right of each state to determine who its nationals are.[3] Such determinations are part of nationality law. In some cases, determinations of nationality are also governed by public international law—for example, by treaties on statelessness and the European Convention on Nationality.

Nationality differs technically and legally from citizenship, which is a different legal relationship between a person and a country. The noun national can include both citizens and non-citizens. The most common distinguishing feature of citizenship is that citizens have the right to participate in the political life of the state, such as by voting or standing for election. However, in most modern countries all nationals are citizens of the state, and full citizens are always nationals of the state.[1][4]

In older texts, the word nationality rather than ethnicity, often used to refer to an ethnic group (a group of people who share a common ethnic identity, language, culture, descent, history, and so forth). This older meaning of nationality is not defined by political borders or passport ownership and includes nations that lack an independent state (such as the Arameans, Scots, Welsh, English, Basques, Catalans, Kurds, Kabyles, Baloch, Berbers, Bosniaks, Kashmiris, Palestinians, Sindhi, Tamils, Hmong, Inuit, Copts, Māori, Sikhs, Wakhi and Székelys).[citation needed]
Sorry, but the delusion that :

The Jews seem to be "imposing" their will on all other "ancient people" of the land.

There is no such thing.

The Jewish People are the most ancient of those people. The Palestinian Arabs are not. Neither would be the Greeks, the Romans or any other people who stayed after they invaded and conquered the land after the Jewish People had established themselves over 3000 years ago.

There are no Philistines.
There are no Amorites.
There are no Hitites, etc. to come and claim the land as the ancient people from that very place.
There are no Romans, Greeks, Crusaders claiming anything over the Jewish People's rights to their ancient homeland.

Are you to tell me that all people who now inhabit Kurdistan (even though not allow to declare Independence) have the same National rights as the descendants of the ancient Kurds?
Do the Yazidis who fled to that area have the right to demand some National rights to the land, which should only be for the Kurdish people?

It is a very simple example, which shows how the descendants of the Jewish People are the ones with the rights for any National self-determination definition on that land.

It does not take away one bit the rights of all of those who are not Jewish, and are either citizens or residents of Israel.

Their rights are written in the laws of the land.

What they do not have the right to do, as Arabs, etc, is to demand that Israel be their Ancestral national anything in place of the Jewish People's rights, which is Exactly what the Muslim Arabs have been doing in the past decades with their endless "The Jews are from Europe", "There was no Temple Mount", "There were no Jews in the area", etc, which continues to come hard and furious from the Arab side.


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Individual rights, Netanyahu said, are anchored in many of the Jewish state’s (existing) laws, but not so Jewish national rights. No one was harmed by the Nationality Law and no one intends to to harm anyone’s individual rights.

(full article online)

Netanyahu at Cabinet Meeting: Israel is the National State of the Jewish People, Exclusively
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The only reason why so many are complaining is because it is the State of the Jews.

Any other place on the planet, they will never care less.
 
You are oblivious to the fact that Israel has two rights systems. There are citizens rights where all citizens have (more or less) equal rights. Then there are nationality rights. Only the Jewish nationality has access to these rights

Only the Jewish people have nationality rights IN ISRAEL. Others have nationality rights elsewhere. That is actually how the global system currently works. Citizens have national rights in their nation.

Are you suggesting that the Jewish people should have nationality rights in Palestine? Or not?
Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?

Arab Palestinians have nationality rights in a hopefully if they can get their act together future state of Palestine.

Arab Israelis can exercise their Israeli nationality in Israel.

A nationality is formed around a culture. You aren't suggesting that Arab Israeli is a separate and distinct culture from Arab Palestinian, are you?

I am to the degree that they've formed something of their own culture with regional differences including dialect, we did talk about that in other threads and doubtless don't agree . But it's irrelevant.

Israel is a new state, imposed on a region with multiple ethnic groups already residing there. It has since decided create a "nationality" law that only includes ONE of those groups despite the fact that most of those groups have been in that region since ancient history. As a state does Israel have the right to do that? Yes. Any state does. Does it make it right? That is questionable. How can you maintain equality?

Think about it - you are citizen of Israel. You have served in the IDF, defended your country, supported it, and were born there. But now - because you are NOT Jewish - you do not have any "national rights" there. There is no way to look at that and not somehow see yourself as a different category of citizen. As an outsider or somehow less than. Why should you fight for Israel and defend it?



Nationality - Wikipedia
Nationality is a legal relationship between an individual person and a state.[1] Nationality affords the state jurisdiction over the person and affords the person the protection of the state. What these rights and duties are varies from state to state.[2]

By custom and international conventions, it is the right of each state to determine who its nationals are.[3] Such determinations are part of nationality law. In some cases, determinations of nationality are also governed by public international law—for example, by treaties on statelessness and the European Convention on Nationality.

Nationality differs technically and legally from citizenship, which is a different legal relationship between a person and a country. The noun national can include both citizens and non-citizens. The most common distinguishing feature of citizenship is that citizens have the right to participate in the political life of the state, such as by voting or standing for election. However, in most modern countries all nationals are citizens of the state, and full citizens are always nationals of the state.[1][4]

In older texts, the word nationality rather than ethnicity, often used to refer to an ethnic group (a group of people who share a common ethnic identity, language, culture, descent, history, and so forth). This older meaning of nationality is not defined by political borders or passport ownership and includes nations that lack an independent state (such as the Arameans, Scots, Welsh, English, Basques, Catalans, Kurds, Kabyles, Baloch, Berbers, Bosniaks, Kashmiris, Palestinians, Sindhi, Tamils, Hmong, Inuit, Copts, Māori, Sikhs, Wakhi and Székelys).[citation needed]
Sorry, but the delusion that :

The Jews seem to be "imposing" their will on all other "ancient people" of the land.

There is no such thing.

The Jewish People are the most ancient of those people. The Palestinian Arabs are not. Neither would be the Greeks, the Romans or any other people who stayed after they invaded and conquered the land after the Jewish People had established themselves over 3000 years ago.

There are no Philistines.
There are no Amorites.
There are no Hitites, etc. to come and claim the land as the ancient people from that very place.
There are no Romans, Greeks, Crusaders claiming anything over the Jewish People's rights to their ancient homeland.

Are you to tell me that all people who now inhabit Kurdistan (even though not allow to declare Independence) have the same National rights as the descendants of the ancient Kurds?
Do the Yazidis who fled to that area have the right to demand some National rights to the land, which should only be for the Kurdish people?

We will have to agree to disagree on this, since I don't want to derail this into another thread on who is indiginous. There are multiple indiginous groups there, and they all have rights.

The question is - how do you maintain equality? In most modern countries citizenship confers nationality rights.

It is a very simple example, which shows how the descendants of the Jewish People are the ones with the rights for any National self-determination definition on that land.

It does not take away one bit the rights of all of those who are not Jewish, and are either citizens or residents of Israel.

Their rights are written in the laws of the land.

What they do not have the right to do, as Arabs, etc, is to demand that Israel be their Ancestral national anything in place of the Jewish People's rights, which is Exactly what the Muslim Arabs have been doing in the past decades with their endless "The Jews are from Europe", "There was no Temple Mount", "There were no Jews in the area", etc, which continues to come hard and furious from the Arab side.

Why does it have to be in place of? Why can't any citizen of Israel have nationality rights in Israel? If a Palestinian state is ever established, there will likely be Jewish communities within it. Jewish communities in those areas should have every right to nationality rights within Palestine.


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Individual rights, Netanyahu said, are anchored in many of the Jewish state’s (existing) laws, but not so Jewish national rights. No one was harmed by the Nationality Law and no one intends to to harm anyone’s individual rights.

(full article online)

Netanyahu at Cabinet Meeting: Israel is the National State of the Jewish People, Exclusively
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The only reason why so many are complaining is because it is the State of the Jews.

Any other place on the planet, they will never care less.

I think that remains to be seen. Most other modern countries do not confer nationality rights only to one ethnic group.
 
Only the Jewish people have nationality rights IN ISRAEL. Others have nationality rights elsewhere. That is actually how the global system currently works. Citizens have national rights in their nation.

Are you suggesting that the Jewish people should have nationality rights in Palestine? Or not?
Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?

Arab Palestinians have nationality rights in a hopefully if they can get their act together future state of Palestine.

Arab Israelis can exercise their Israeli nationality in Israel.

A nationality is formed around a culture. You aren't suggesting that Arab Israeli is a separate and distinct culture from Arab Palestinian, are you?

I am to the degree that they've formed something of their own culture with regional differences including dialect, we did talk about that in other threads and doubtless don't agree . But it's irrelevant.

Israel is a new state, imposed on a region with multiple ethnic groups already residing there. It has since decided create a "nationality" law that only includes ONE of those groups despite the fact that most of those groups have been in that region since ancient history. As a state does Israel have the right to do that? Yes. Any state does. Does it make it right? That is questionable. How can you maintain equality?

Think about it - you are citizen of Israel. You have served in the IDF, defended your country, supported it, and were born there. But now - because you are NOT Jewish - you do not have any "national rights" there. There is no way to look at that and not somehow see yourself as a different category of citizen. As an outsider or somehow less than. Why should you fight for Israel and defend it?



Nationality - Wikipedia
Nationality is a legal relationship between an individual person and a state.[1] Nationality affords the state jurisdiction over the person and affords the person the protection of the state. What these rights and duties are varies from state to state.[2]

By custom and international conventions, it is the right of each state to determine who its nationals are.[3] Such determinations are part of nationality law. In some cases, determinations of nationality are also governed by public international law—for example, by treaties on statelessness and the European Convention on Nationality.

Nationality differs technically and legally from citizenship, which is a different legal relationship between a person and a country. The noun national can include both citizens and non-citizens. The most common distinguishing feature of citizenship is that citizens have the right to participate in the political life of the state, such as by voting or standing for election. However, in most modern countries all nationals are citizens of the state, and full citizens are always nationals of the state.[1][4]

In older texts, the word nationality rather than ethnicity, often used to refer to an ethnic group (a group of people who share a common ethnic identity, language, culture, descent, history, and so forth). This older meaning of nationality is not defined by political borders or passport ownership and includes nations that lack an independent state (such as the Arameans, Scots, Welsh, English, Basques, Catalans, Kurds, Kabyles, Baloch, Berbers, Bosniaks, Kashmiris, Palestinians, Sindhi, Tamils, Hmong, Inuit, Copts, Māori, Sikhs, Wakhi and Székelys).[citation needed]
Sorry, but the delusion that :

The Jews seem to be "imposing" their will on all other "ancient people" of the land.

There is no such thing.

The Jewish People are the most ancient of those people. The Palestinian Arabs are not. Neither would be the Greeks, the Romans or any other people who stayed after they invaded and conquered the land after the Jewish People had established themselves over 3000 years ago.

There are no Philistines.
There are no Amorites.
There are no Hitites, etc. to come and claim the land as the ancient people from that very place.
There are no Romans, Greeks, Crusaders claiming anything over the Jewish People's rights to their ancient homeland.

Are you to tell me that all people who now inhabit Kurdistan (even though not allow to declare Independence) have the same National rights as the descendants of the ancient Kurds?
Do the Yazidis who fled to that area have the right to demand some National rights to the land, which should only be for the Kurdish people?

We will have to agree to disagree on this, since I don't want to derail this into another thread on who is indiginous. There are multiple indiginous groups there, and they all have rights.

The question is - how do you maintain equality? In most modern countries citizenship confers nationality rights.

It is a very simple example, which shows how the descendants of the Jewish People are the ones with the rights for any National self-determination definition on that land.

It does not take away one bit the rights of all of those who are not Jewish, and are either citizens or residents of Israel.

Their rights are written in the laws of the land.

What they do not have the right to do, as Arabs, etc, is to demand that Israel be their Ancestral national anything in place of the Jewish People's rights, which is Exactly what the Muslim Arabs have been doing in the past decades with their endless "The Jews are from Europe", "There was no Temple Mount", "There were no Jews in the area", etc, which continues to come hard and furious from the Arab side.

Why does it have to be in place of? Why can't any citizen of Israel have nationality rights in Israel? If a Palestinian state is ever established, there will likely be Jewish communities within it. Jewish communities in those areas should have every right to nationality rights within Palestine.


--------------
Individual rights, Netanyahu said, are anchored in many of the Jewish state’s (existing) laws, but not so Jewish national rights. No one was harmed by the Nationality Law and no one intends to to harm anyone’s individual rights.

(full article online)

Netanyahu at Cabinet Meeting: Israel is the National State of the Jewish People, Exclusively
-------------
The only reason why so many are complaining is because it is the State of the Jews.

Any other place on the planet, they will never care less.

I think that remains to be seen. Most other modern countries do not confer nationality rights only to one ethnic group.

Only the Jewish people have nationality rights IN ISRAEL. Others have nationality rights elsewhere. That is actually how the global system currently works. Citizens have national rights in their nation.

Are you suggesting that the Jewish people should have nationality rights in Palestine? Or not?
Arab Israeli citizens have nationality rights where?

Arab Palestinians have nationality rights in a hopefully if they can get their act together future state of Palestine.

Arab Israelis can exercise their Israeli nationality in Israel.

A nationality is formed around a culture. You aren't suggesting that Arab Israeli is a separate and distinct culture from Arab Palestinian, are you?

I am to the degree that they've formed something of their own culture with regional differences including dialect, we did talk about that in other threads and doubtless don't agree . But it's irrelevant.

Israel is a new state, imposed on a region with multiple ethnic groups already residing there. It has since decided create a "nationality" law that only includes ONE of those groups despite the fact that most of those groups have been in that region since ancient history. As a state does Israel have the right to do that? Yes. Any state does. Does it make it right? That is questionable. How can you maintain equality?

Think about it - you are citizen of Israel. You have served in the IDF, defended your country, supported it, and were born there. But now - because you are NOT Jewish - you do not have any "national rights" there. There is no way to look at that and not somehow see yourself as a different category of citizen. As an outsider or somehow less than. Why should you fight for Israel and defend it?



Nationality - Wikipedia
Nationality is a legal relationship between an individual person and a state.[1] Nationality affords the state jurisdiction over the person and affords the person the protection of the state. What these rights and duties are varies from state to state.[2]

By custom and international conventions, it is the right of each state to determine who its nationals are.[3] Such determinations are part of nationality law. In some cases, determinations of nationality are also governed by public international law—for example, by treaties on statelessness and the European Convention on Nationality.

Nationality differs technically and legally from citizenship, which is a different legal relationship between a person and a country. The noun national can include both citizens and non-citizens. The most common distinguishing feature of citizenship is that citizens have the right to participate in the political life of the state, such as by voting or standing for election. However, in most modern countries all nationals are citizens of the state, and full citizens are always nationals of the state.[1][4]

In older texts, the word nationality rather than ethnicity, often used to refer to an ethnic group (a group of people who share a common ethnic identity, language, culture, descent, history, and so forth). This older meaning of nationality is not defined by political borders or passport ownership and includes nations that lack an independent state (such as the Arameans, Scots, Welsh, English, Basques, Catalans, Kurds, Kabyles, Baloch, Berbers, Bosniaks, Kashmiris, Palestinians, Sindhi, Tamils, Hmong, Inuit, Copts, Māori, Sikhs, Wakhi and Székelys).[citation needed]
Sorry, but the delusion that :

The Jews seem to be "imposing" their will on all other "ancient people" of the land.

There is no such thing.

The Jewish People are the most ancient of those people. The Palestinian Arabs are not. Neither would be the Greeks, the Romans or any other people who stayed after they invaded and conquered the land after the Jewish People had established themselves over 3000 years ago.

There are no Philistines.
There are no Amorites.
There are no Hitites, etc. to come and claim the land as the ancient people from that very place.
There are no Romans, Greeks, Crusaders claiming anything over the Jewish People's rights to their ancient homeland.

Are you to tell me that all people who now inhabit Kurdistan (even though not allow to declare Independence) have the same National rights as the descendants of the ancient Kurds?
Do the Yazidis who fled to that area have the right to demand some National rights to the land, which should only be for the Kurdish people?

We will have to agree to disagree on this, since I don't want to derail this into another thread on who is indiginous. There are multiple indiginous groups there, and they all have rights.

The question is - how do you maintain equality? In most modern countries citizenship confers nationality rights.

It is a very simple example, which shows how the descendants of the Jewish People are the ones with the rights for any National self-determination definition on that land.

It does not take away one bit the rights of all of those who are not Jewish, and are either citizens or residents of Israel.

Their rights are written in the laws of the land.

What they do not have the right to do, as Arabs, etc, is to demand that Israel be their Ancestral national anything in place of the Jewish People's rights, which is Exactly what the Muslim Arabs have been doing in the past decades with their endless "The Jews are from Europe", "There was no Temple Mount", "There were no Jews in the area", etc, which continues to come hard and furious from the Arab side.

Why does it have to be in place of? Why can't any citizen of Israel have nationality rights in Israel? If a Palestinian state is ever established, there will likely be Jewish communities within it. Jewish communities in those areas should have every right to nationality rights within Palestine.


--------------
Individual rights, Netanyahu said, are anchored in many of the Jewish state’s (existing) laws, but not so Jewish national rights. No one was harmed by the Nationality Law and no one intends to to harm anyone’s individual rights.

(full article online)

Netanyahu at Cabinet Meeting: Israel is the National State of the Jewish People, Exclusively
-------------
The only reason why so many are complaining is because it is the State of the Jews.

Any other place on the planet, they will never care less.

I think that remains to be seen. Most other modern countries do not confer nationality rights only to one ethnic group.
That is exactly the point:'

There are NO OTHER INDIGENOUS PEOPLE with rights to the land and self determination but the Jewish People.

There never has been.

No other people has ever declared indigenous rights to the land of Israel before 1948.

Self Determination is different from "National Rights" to think of myself as an American.

I am not descendant from the First Nations of America. Not one of them.
I do not have the right to demand the same rights to self determination over their ancestral lands as they do. I never will.

Therefore, if the Apaches choose to declare self-determination over their ancient homeland, no other First Nation can do the same, and neither can any European or Asian who came over after 1492.

Therefore, here we have the Arabs, who came into the land 2400 years after the Jewish People established their Nation, culture, etc, saying that They have exactly the same rights, or worse, they have more rights to self-determination over the land then the Jewish People.

And that is exactly what you and others cannot come to understand.
 

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