Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people

[Humanity]

The idea of" choseness is not originating with us -- it is PUT ON US by others.

So there is nothing the in the torah or bible giving Jews "choseness"?

The only person who brought up choseness is you. It is a pattern on this board that the only people who bring up choseness are people wishing to demonize the Jewish people. Oh, and its not "providing valid criticism of Israel's government policies" -- its a direct attack on the Jewish people.

Jewish people do not bring up choseness. It is a tool used by those who have an unreasonable hatred of Jews in order to apply traits of arrogance and superiority to Jews so that they can be demonized. (Which, btw, is NOT what choseness means and anyone with any knowledge of actual Torah, rather than canards said about Torah, would know that.)

So, to get this straight, you are trying to tell me that not a single Team Israel member has ever said that Israel was given to them by god?

You are trying to tell me that Jews do not think that they are the chosen ones?

“ Chosen “ isn’t about good or bad according to your thread. . It’s about the Torah. So what?? I know Christians who feel that one day the Jewish people will recognize Jesus as their “ savior” and we know about the religious intolerance of the Muslim World. During the Gulf War our Military weren’t even allowed to bring their bibles into Saudi Arabia. How would you feel if that were Israel??

What a fascinating load of gibberish!

Surely even you can string a sentence together that makes SOME sense? Hmmm I guess not!

 

[Coyote]

They have nothing to gain or lose.

They have absolutely EVERYTHING to gain and potentially a whole lot more to lose. And whether they gain or lose it is directly dependent on THEIR actions -- not on Israel's. Belligerence will bring them loss. Co-operation and peace will bring them gain.

Why is everyone SO reluctant to hold the Palestinians accountable?

Agree, belligerance will result in loss, but as to gain? Nothing is certain there either. Look at Jerusalem.

I have no problem holding them accountable for their actions, but they are not a state, not even under unified leadership.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I guess that would be because I am not a Jew!

..... and here the speculation on such was absolutely rampant.

 

[Coyote]

You can’t just assume their state, should it come to be, will be Jew free ...

I'm not assuming it. They've said as much.

In what Constitution? What laws?

 

[Shusha]

They have nothing to gain or lose.

They have absolutely EVERYTHING to gain and potentially a whole lot more to lose. And whether they gain or lose it is directly dependent on THEIR actions -- not on Israel's. Belligerence will bring them loss. Co-operation and peace will bring them gain.

Why is everyone SO reluctant to hold the Palestinians accountable?

Agree, belligerance will result in loss, but as to gain? Nothing is certain there either. Look at Jerusalem.

I have no problem holding them accountable for their actions, but they are not a state, not even under unified leadership.

Then they need to get their shit together, don't they?

 

[Shusha]

You can’t just assume their state, should it come to be, will be Jew free ...

I'm not assuming it. They've said as much.

In what Constitution? What laws?

Abbas just said it yesterday. During negotiations.

Take a look at this:

The continuous attachment of the Jewish people to the land of their fathers and forefathers, on which this people has historically lived, is a fact which has been expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The strength of this attachment is confirmed by its consistency over time and place, by keeping faith with and holding on to national identity, and in the wonderous accomplishments of struggle. The organic relationship between the Jewish people, their history and their land has confirmed itself in their unceasing effort to prompt the world to recognize the rights of the Jewish people and their national entity on equal footing with other nations.

Israel is part of the larger Jewish world and the Jewish people are part of Israel.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

Judaism is the official religion in Israel. Respect for the sanctity of all other religions shall be maintained.

Halacha shall be the principle source of legislation.

Hebrew shall be the official language.



Admirable or Apartheid?

 

[Shusha]

There is nothing that I have written that any sane person would consider "demonization" of anyone! That is your opinion based on you being Team Israel!

Jew traits. And something about the arrogance about being chosen and setting ourselves apart from humanity. Nothing demonizing there at all. /sarcasm

But I'm willing to test it if you want, I can start talking about Arab traits.

 

[USAF 2023]

The idea of" choseness is not originating with us -- it is PUT ON US by others.

So there is nothing the in the torah or bible giving Jews "choseness"?

The only person who brought up choseness is you. It is a pattern on this board that the only people who bring up choseness are people wishing to demonize the Jewish people. Oh, and its not "providing valid criticism of Israel's government policies" -- its a direct attack on the Jewish people.

Jewish people do not bring up choseness. It is a tool used by those who have an unreasonable hatred of Jews in order to apply traits of arrogance and superiority to Jews so that they can be demonized. (Which, btw, is NOT what choseness means and anyone with any knowledge of actual Torah, rather than canards said about Torah, would know that.)

So, to get this straight, you are trying to tell me that not a single Team Israel member has ever said that Israel was given to them by god?

You are trying to tell me that Jews do not think that they are the chosen ones?

“ Chosen “ isn’t about good or bad according to your thread. . It’s about the Torah. So what?? I know Christians who feel that one day the Jewish people will recognize Jesus as their “ savior” and we know about the religious intolerance of the Muslim World. During the Gulf War our Military weren’t even allowed to bring their bibles into Saudi Arabia. How would you feel if that were Israel??

What a fascinating load of gibberish!

Surely even you can string a sentence together that makes SOME sense? Hmmm I guess not!

Nothing to say about Christmas who feel they are the true Religion or Muslims who have no tolerance or respect for others?
Not surprised!!!

 

[P F Tinmore]

You can’t just assume their state, should it come to be, will be Jew free ...

I'm not assuming it. They've said as much.

In what Constitution? What laws?

Abbas just said it yesterday. During negotiations.

Take a look at this:

The continuous attachment of the Jewish people to the land of their fathers and forefathers, on which this people has historically lived, is a fact which has been expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The strength of this attachment is confirmed by its consistency over time and place, by keeping faith with and holding on to national identity, and in the wonderous accomplishments of struggle. The organic relationship between the Jewish people, their history and their land has confirmed itself in their unceasing effort to prompt the world to recognize the rights of the Jewish people and their national entity on equal footing with other nations.

Israel is part of the larger Jewish world and the Jewish people are part of Israel.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

Judaism is the official religion in Israel. Respect for the sanctity of all other religions shall be maintained.

Halacha shall be the principle source of legislation.

Hebrew shall be the official language.



Admirable or Apartheid?

Israel has been an apartheid state since 1948. This law is no big change.

 

[Shusha]

You can’t just assume their state, should it come to be, will be Jew free ...

I'm not assuming it. They've said as much.

In what Constitution? What laws?

Abbas just said it yesterday. During negotiations.

Take a look at this:

The continuous attachment of the Jewish people to the land of their fathers and forefathers, on which this people has historically lived, is a fact which has been expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The strength of this attachment is confirmed by its consistency over time and place, by keeping faith with and holding on to national identity, and in the wonderous accomplishments of struggle. The organic relationship between the Jewish people, their history and their land has confirmed itself in their unceasing effort to prompt the world to recognize the rights of the Jewish people and their national entity on equal footing with other nations.

Israel is part of the larger Jewish world and the Jewish people are part of Israel.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

Judaism is the official religion in Israel. Respect for the sanctity of all other religions shall be maintained.

Halacha shall be the principle source of legislation.

Hebrew shall be the official language.



Admirable or Apartheid?

Israel has been an apartheid state since 1948. This law is no big change.

You agree that the law quoted above is an apartheid law, yes?

 

[USAF 2023]

You can’t just assume their state, should it come to be, will be Jew free ...

I'm not assuming it. They've said as much.

In what Constitution? What laws?

Abbas just said it yesterday. During negotiations.

Take a look at this:

The continuous attachment of the Jewish people to the land of their fathers and forefathers, on which this people has historically lived, is a fact which has been expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The strength of this attachment is confirmed by its consistency over time and place, by keeping faith with and holding on to national identity, and in the wonderous accomplishments of struggle. The organic relationship between the Jewish people, their history and their land has confirmed itself in their unceasing effort to prompt the world to recognize the rights of the Jewish people and their national entity on equal footing with other nations.

Israel is part of the larger Jewish world and the Jewish people are part of Israel.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

Judaism is the official religion in Israel. Respect for the sanctity of all other religions shall be maintained.

Halacha shall be the principle source of legislation.

Hebrew shall be the official language.



Admirable or Apartheid?

Israel has been an apartheid state since 1948. This law is no big change.

Now, that is funny! According to the Armistice Agreement that you make reference to the Israelis were supposed to let the Israelis enter E. Jerusalem to have access to their religious sites but of course didn’t. That isn’t Apartheid? Not only did Israelis not live in Jordan they were not even allowed to enter.
What about Abbas No Israeli Allowed Statement? See anything wrong with that? You should get your own comedy show. You can call it “ Fake News”.

 

[Coyote]

You can’t just assume their state, should it come to be, will be Jew free ...

I'm not assuming it. They've said as much.

In what Constitution? What laws?

Abbas just said it yesterday. During negotiations.

Take a look at this:

The continuous attachment of the Jewish people to the land of their fathers and forefathers, on which this people has historically lived, is a fact which has been expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The strength of this attachment is confirmed by its consistency over time and place, by keeping faith with and holding on to national identity, and in the wonderous accomplishments of struggle. The organic relationship between the Jewish people, their history and their land has confirmed itself in their unceasing effort to prompt the world to recognize the rights of the Jewish people and their national entity on equal footing with other nations.

Israel is part of the larger Jewish world and the Jewish people are part of Israel.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

Judaism is the official religion in Israel. Respect for the sanctity of all other religions shall be maintained.

Halacha shall be the principle source of legislation.

Hebrew shall be the official language.



Admirable or Apartheid?

Do you have a link to what Abbas said? And again, there is NO state. What he says is no different then what different factions in the formation of Israel said. What counts is what is put into law once a state is established.

Apartheid? No.

Admirable? Not sure.

Halacha will be the principle source of legislation? Halacha: The Laws of Jewish Life | My Jewish Learning

In a democratic society?

I find that as disturbing as the use of Sharia as the principle source of legislation. Is that legislation then imposed on unbelievers? What does this mean exactly?

No matter how you look at it...it has the potential to exacerbate inequality.

Can it really coexist with democracy?

 

[USAF 2023]

You can’t just assume their state, should it come to be, will be Jew free ...

I'm not assuming it. They've said as much.

In what Constitution? What laws?

Abbas just said it yesterday. During negotiations.

Take a look at this:

The continuous attachment of the Jewish people to the land of their fathers and forefathers, on which this people has historically lived, is a fact which has been expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The strength of this attachment is confirmed by its consistency over time and place, by keeping faith with and holding on to national identity, and in the wonderous accomplishments of struggle. The organic relationship between the Jewish people, their history and their land has confirmed itself in their unceasing effort to prompt the world to recognize the rights of the Jewish people and their national entity on equal footing with other nations.

Israel is part of the larger Jewish world and the Jewish people are part of Israel.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

Judaism is the official religion in Israel. Respect for the sanctity of all other religions shall be maintained.

Halacha shall be the principle source of legislation.

Hebrew shall be the official language.



Admirable or Apartheid?

Do you have a link to what Abbas said? And again, there is NO state. What he says is no different then what different factions in the formation of Israel said. What counts is what is put into law once a state is established.

Apartheid? No.

Admirable? Not sure.

Halacha will be the principle source of legislation? Halacha: The Laws of Jewish Life | My Jewish Learning

In a democratic society?

I find that as disturbing as the use of Sharia as the principle source of legislation. Is that legislation then imposed on unbelievers? What does this mean exactly?

No matter how you look at it...it has the potential to exacerbate inequality.

Can it really coexist with democracy?

You can’t just assume their state, should it come to be, will be Jew free ...

I'm not assuming it. They've said as much.

In what Constitution? What laws?

Abbas just said it yesterday. During negotiations.

Take a look at this:

The continuous attachment of the Jewish people to the land of their fathers and forefathers, on which this people has historically lived, is a fact which has been expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The strength of this attachment is confirmed by its consistency over time and place, by keeping faith with and holding on to national identity, and in the wonderous accomplishments of struggle. The organic relationship between the Jewish people, their history and their land has confirmed itself in their unceasing effort to prompt the world to recognize the rights of the Jewish people and their national entity on equal footing with other nations.

Israel is part of the larger Jewish world and the Jewish people are part of Israel.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

Judaism is the official religion in Israel. Respect for the sanctity of all other religions shall be maintained.

Halacha shall be the principle source of legislation.

Hebrew shall be the official language.



Admirable or Apartheid?

Do you have a link to what Abbas said? And again, there is NO state. What he says is no different then what different factions in the formation of Israel said. What counts is what is put into law once a state is established.

Apartheid? No.

Admirable? Not sure.

Halacha will be the principle source of legislation? Halacha: The Laws of Jewish Life | My Jewish Learning

In a democratic society?

I find that as disturbing as the use of Sharia as the principle source of legislation. Is that legislation then imposed on unbelievers? What does this mean exactly?

No matter how you look at it...it has the potential to exacerbate inequality.

Can it really coexist with democracy?

“ In the final resolution; there will not be a single Israeli( either Civilian or Soldier on our Lands” That statement has come from Abbas several times This can be easily confirmed by those who want the truth. I

 

[Coyote]

You can’t just assume their state, should it come to be, will be Jew free ...

I'm not assuming it. They've said as much.

In what Constitution? What laws?

Abbas just said it yesterday. During negotiations.

Take a look at this:

The continuous attachment of the Jewish people to the land of their fathers and forefathers, on which this people has historically lived, is a fact which has been expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The strength of this attachment is confirmed by its consistency over time and place, by keeping faith with and holding on to national identity, and in the wonderous accomplishments of struggle. The organic relationship between the Jewish people, their history and their land has confirmed itself in their unceasing effort to prompt the world to recognize the rights of the Jewish people and their national entity on equal footing with other nations.

Israel is part of the larger Jewish world and the Jewish people are part of Israel.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

Judaism is the official religion in Israel. Respect for the sanctity of all other religions shall be maintained.

Halacha shall be the principle source of legislation.

Hebrew shall be the official language.



Admirable or Apartheid?

Do you have a link to what Abbas said? And again, there is NO state. What he says is no different then what different factions in the formation of Israel said. What counts is what is put into law once a state is established.

Apartheid? No.

Admirable? Not sure.

Halacha will be the principle source of legislation? Halacha: The Laws of Jewish Life | My Jewish Learning

In a democratic society?

I find that as disturbing as the use of Sharia as the principle source of legislation. Is that legislation then imposed on unbelievers? What does this mean exactly?

No matter how you look at it...it has the potential to exacerbate inequality.

Can it really coexist with democracy?

You can’t just assume their state, should it come to be, will be Jew free ...

I'm not assuming it. They've said as much.

In what Constitution? What laws?

Abbas just said it yesterday. During negotiations.

Take a look at this:

The continuous attachment of the Jewish people to the land of their fathers and forefathers, on which this people has historically lived, is a fact which has been expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The strength of this attachment is confirmed by its consistency over time and place, by keeping faith with and holding on to national identity, and in the wonderous accomplishments of struggle. The organic relationship between the Jewish people, their history and their land has confirmed itself in their unceasing effort to prompt the world to recognize the rights of the Jewish people and their national entity on equal footing with other nations.

Israel is part of the larger Jewish world and the Jewish people are part of Israel.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

Judaism is the official religion in Israel. Respect for the sanctity of all other religions shall be maintained.

Halacha shall be the principle source of legislation.

Hebrew shall be the official language.



Admirable or Apartheid?

Do you have a link to what Abbas said? And again, there is NO state. What he says is no different then what different factions in the formation of Israel said. What counts is what is put into law once a state is established.

Apartheid? No.

Admirable? Not sure.

Halacha will be the principle source of legislation? Halacha: The Laws of Jewish Life | My Jewish Learning

In a democratic society?

I find that as disturbing as the use of Sharia as the principle source of legislation. Is that legislation then imposed on unbelievers? What does this mean exactly?

No matter how you look at it...it has the potential to exacerbate inequality.

Can it really coexist with democracy?

“ In the final resolution; there will not be a single Israeli( either Civilian or Soldier on our Lands” That statement has come from Abbas several times This can be easily confirmed by those who want the truth. I

Israeli. Not Jew.

 

[admonit]

You can’t just assume their state, should it come to be, will be Jew free ...

I'm not assuming it. They've said as much.

In what Constitution? What laws?

Abbas just said it yesterday. During negotiations.

Take a look at this:

The continuous attachment of the Jewish people to the land of their fathers and forefathers, on which this people has historically lived, is a fact which has been expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The strength of this attachment is confirmed by its consistency over time and place, by keeping faith with and holding on to national identity, and in the wonderous accomplishments of struggle. The organic relationship between the Jewish people, their history and their land has confirmed itself in their unceasing effort to prompt the world to recognize the rights of the Jewish people and their national entity on equal footing with other nations.

Israel is part of the larger Jewish world and the Jewish people are part of Israel.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

Judaism is the official religion in Israel. Respect for the sanctity of all other religions shall be maintained.

Halacha shall be the principle source of legislation.

Hebrew shall be the official language.



Admirable or Apartheid?

Your simple and funny trap will change nothing, because "bad Israel" is not factual and logical conclusion, but rather a basic concept of self-proclaimed liberals.

 

[Shusha]

You can’t just assume their state, should it come to be, will be Jew free ...

I'm not assuming it. They've said as much.

In what Constitution? What laws?

Abbas just said it yesterday. During negotiations.

Take a look at this:

The continuous attachment of the Jewish people to the land of their fathers and forefathers, on which this people has historically lived, is a fact which has been expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The strength of this attachment is confirmed by its consistency over time and place, by keeping faith with and holding on to national identity, and in the wonderous accomplishments of struggle. The organic relationship between the Jewish people, their history and their land has confirmed itself in their unceasing effort to prompt the world to recognize the rights of the Jewish people and their national entity on equal footing with other nations.

Israel is part of the larger Jewish world and the Jewish people are part of Israel.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

Judaism is the official religion in Israel. Respect for the sanctity of all other religions shall be maintained.

Halacha shall be the principle source of legislation.

Hebrew shall be the official language.



Admirable or Apartheid?

Do you have a link to what Abbas said? And again, there is NO state. What he says is no different then what different factions in the formation of Israel said. What counts is what is put into law once a state is established.

Apartheid? No.

Admirable? Not sure.

Halacha will be the principle source of legislation? Halacha: The Laws of Jewish Life | My Jewish Learning

In a democratic society?

I find that as disturbing as the use of Sharia as the principle source of legislation. Is that legislation then imposed on unbelievers? What does this mean exactly?

No matter how you look at it...it has the potential to exacerbate inequality.

Can it really coexist with democracy?

Was the part about Halacha the only part that seems problematic to you?

 

[rylah]

You can’t just assume their state, should it come to be, will be Jew free ...

I'm not assuming it. They've said as much.

In what Constitution? What laws?

Abbas just said it yesterday. During negotiations.

Take a look at this:

The continuous attachment of the Jewish people to the land of their fathers and forefathers, on which this people has historically lived, is a fact which has been expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The strength of this attachment is confirmed by its consistency over time and place, by keeping faith with and holding on to national identity, and in the wonderous accomplishments of struggle. The organic relationship between the Jewish people, their history and their land has confirmed itself in their unceasing effort to prompt the world to recognize the rights of the Jewish people and their national entity on equal footing with other nations.

Israel is part of the larger Jewish world and the Jewish people are part of Israel.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

Judaism is the official religion in Israel. Respect for the sanctity of all other religions shall be maintained.

Halacha shall be the principle source of legislation.

Hebrew shall be the official language.



Admirable or Apartheid?

Do you have a link to what Abbas said? And again, there is NO state. What he says is no different then what different factions in the formation of Israel said. What counts is what is put into law once a state is established.

Apartheid? No.

Admirable? Not sure.

Halacha will be the principle source of legislation? Halacha: The Laws of Jewish Life | My Jewish Learning

In a democratic society?

I find that as disturbing as the use of Sharia as the principle source of legislation. Is that legislation then imposed on unbelievers? What does this mean exactly?

No matter how you look at it...it has the potential to exacerbate inequality.

Can it really coexist with democracy?

Was the part about Halacha the only part that seems problematic to you?

My 2 cents:

One of the proposed versions said "Principles of Hebrew court", that's not exactly Halacha.
To the best of my knowledge it's already being in use, where lawyers have to study parts of Gmarah to learn the principles of interpretation. It's useful in cases where modern practice of law has no precedent, or when a case directly involving Jewish custom is viewed in a state court. Aside from that Sharia and Christian court practices are authorized by law.

My understanding was that principles of Hebrew law are not only a natural part of Israeli jurisprudence, but also an integral part of the Western law and its' practice.

 

[Humanity]

Jew traits. And something about the arrogance about being chosen and setting ourselves apart from humanity. Nothing demonizing there at all. /sarcasm

Correct there is NOTHING "demonising" there...

But I'm willing to test it if you want, I can start talking about Arab traits.

Please do!

 

[Linkiloo]

I am fine with the law stating the facts. The law does not impede on human rights in Israel and if all the Arab neighbours can have muslim lands and no one is bothered by that, why shouldn't Israel?

 

[admonit]

According to the portal Walla survey, 58% of Israelis support the nation law and 34% oppose it.
Most Israelis support nation-state law

Supposing that 100% of Arab population (20%) oppose the law, 74% of Jews support the law, while 14% oppose it.