Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people

[USAF 2023]

I'm not assuming it. They've said as much.

In what Constitution? What laws?

Abbas just said it yesterday. During negotiations.

Take a look at this:

The continuous attachment of the Jewish people to the land of their fathers and forefathers, on which this people has historically lived, is a fact which has been expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The strength of this attachment is confirmed by its consistency over time and place, by keeping faith with and holding on to national identity, and in the wonderous accomplishments of struggle. The organic relationship between the Jewish people, their history and their land has confirmed itself in their unceasing effort to prompt the world to recognize the rights of the Jewish people and their national entity on equal footing with other nations.

Israel is part of the larger Jewish world and the Jewish people are part of Israel.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

Judaism is the official religion in Israel. Respect for the sanctity of all other religions shall be maintained.

Halacha shall be the principle source of legislation.

Hebrew shall be the official language.



Admirable or Apartheid?

Do you have a link to what Abbas said? And again, there is NO state. What he says is no different then what different factions in the formation of Israel said. What counts is what is put into law once a state is established.

Apartheid? No.

Admirable? Not sure.

Halacha will be the principle source of legislation? Halacha: The Laws of Jewish Life | My Jewish Learning

In a democratic society?

I find that as disturbing as the use of Sharia as the principle source of legislation. Is that legislation then imposed on unbelievers? What does this mean exactly?

No matter how you look at it...it has the potential to exacerbate inequality.

Can it really coexist with democracy?

I'm not assuming it. They've said as much.

In what Constitution? What laws?

Abbas just said it yesterday. During negotiations.

Take a look at this:

The continuous attachment of the Jewish people to the land of their fathers and forefathers, on which this people has historically lived, is a fact which has been expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The strength of this attachment is confirmed by its consistency over time and place, by keeping faith with and holding on to national identity, and in the wonderous accomplishments of struggle. The organic relationship between the Jewish people, their history and their land has confirmed itself in their unceasing effort to prompt the world to recognize the rights of the Jewish people and their national entity on equal footing with other nations.

Israel is part of the larger Jewish world and the Jewish people are part of Israel.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

Judaism is the official religion in Israel. Respect for the sanctity of all other religions shall be maintained.

Halacha shall be the principle source of legislation.

Hebrew shall be the official language.



Admirable or Apartheid?

Do you have a link to what Abbas said? And again, there is NO state. What he says is no different then what different factions in the formation of Israel said. What counts is what is put into law once a state is established.

Apartheid? No.

Admirable? Not sure.

Halacha will be the principle source of legislation? Halacha: The Laws of Jewish Life | My Jewish Learning

In a democratic society?

I find that as disturbing as the use of Sharia as the principle source of legislation. Is that legislation then imposed on unbelievers? What does this mean exactly?

No matter how you look at it...it has the potential to exacerbate inequality.

Can it really coexist with democracy?

“ In the final resolution; there will not be a single Israeli( either Civilian or Soldier on our Lands” That statement has come from Abbas several times This can be easily confirmed by those who want the truth. I

Israeli. Not Jew.

So what?? You don’t consider that discriminatory?

 

[USAF 2023]

The only person who brought up choseness is you. It is a pattern on this board that the only people who bring up choseness are people wishing to demonize the Jewish people. Oh, and its not "providing valid criticism of Israel's government policies" -- its a direct attack on the Jewish people.

Jewish people do not bring up choseness. It is a tool used by those who have an unreasonable hatred of Jews in order to apply traits of arrogance and superiority to Jews so that they can be demonized. (Which, btw, is NOT what choseness means and anyone with any knowledge of actual Torah, rather than canards said about Torah, would know that.)

So, to get this straight, you are trying to tell me that not a single Team Israel member has ever said that Israel was given to them by god?

You are trying to tell me that Jews do not think that they are the chosen ones?

“ Chosen “ isn’t about good or bad according to your thread. . It’s about the Torah. So what?? I know Christians who feel that one day the Jewish people will recognize Jesus as their “ savior” and we know about the religious intolerance of the Muslim World. During the Gulf War our Military weren’t even allowed to bring their bibles into Saudi Arabia. How would you feel if that were Israel??

What a fascinating load of gibberish!

Surely even you can string a sentence together that makes SOME sense? Hmmm I guess not!

Nothing to say about Christmas who feel they are the true Religion or Muslims who have no tolerance or respect for others?
Not surprised!!!

More gibberish?

Maybe you need to get back to the docs and get a change of meds... You are posting unintelligible nonsense

I’m not telling the truth about my comments about Jordan or Abbas? Maybe you should have yourself committed to get a reality check.

 

[USAF 2023]

There is nothing that I have written that any sane person would consider "demonization" of anyone! That is your opinion based on you being Team Israel!

Jew traits. And something about the arrogance about being chosen and setting ourselves apart from humanity. Nothing demonizing there at all. /sarcasm

But I'm willing to test it if you want, I can start talking about Arab traits.

Not going to get a response from the.

Well don't you look like a ******* moron again

After you!!!!

 

[Humanity]

So, to get this straight, you are trying to tell me that not a single Team Israel member has ever said that Israel was given to them by god?

You are trying to tell me that Jews do not think that they are the chosen ones?

“ Chosen “ isn’t about good or bad according to your thread. . It’s about the Torah. So what?? I know Christians who feel that one day the Jewish people will recognize Jesus as their “ savior” and we know about the religious intolerance of the Muslim World. During the Gulf War our Military weren’t even allowed to bring their bibles into Saudi Arabia. How would you feel if that were Israel??

What a fascinating load of gibberish!

Surely even you can string a sentence together that makes SOME sense? Hmmm I guess not!

Nothing to say about Christmas who feel they are the true Religion or Muslims who have no tolerance or respect for others?
Not surprised!!!

More gibberish?

Maybe you need to get back to the docs and get a change of meds... You are posting unintelligible nonsense

I’m not telling the truth about my comments about Jordan or Abbas? Maybe you should have yourself committed to get a reality check.

Suggest you try and keep on topic... That may help you post something that actually makes sense moron!

 

[Humanity]

There is nothing that I have written that any sane person would consider "demonization" of anyone! That is your opinion based on you being Team Israel!

Jew traits. And something about the arrogance about being chosen and setting ourselves apart from humanity. Nothing demonizing there at all. /sarcasm

But I'm willing to test it if you want, I can start talking about Arab traits.

Not going to get a response from the.

Well don't you look like a ******* moron again

After you!!!!

Your quick wit and comedic repartee is astounding for someone who is lacking a few brain cells...

Seriously though, are you sure you should be here? You are clearly too young, retarded or too old to make any meaningful contribution to debate!

 

[USAF 2023]

There is nothing that I have written that any sane person would consider "demonization" of anyone! That is your opinion based on you being Team Israel!

Jew traits. And something about the arrogance about being chosen and setting ourselves apart from humanity. Nothing demonizing there at all. /sarcasm

But I'm willing to test it if you want, I can start talking about Arab traits.

Not going to get a response from the.

Well don't you look like a ******* moron again

After you!!!!

Your quick wit and comedic repartee is astounding for someone who is lacking a few brain cells...

Seriously though, are you sure you should be here? You are clearly too young, retarded or too old to make any meaningful contribution to debate!

Denying my post about Abbas and what I saw about Jordan?

 

[USAF 2023]

“ Chosen “ isn’t about good or bad according to your thread. . It’s about the Torah. So what?? I know Christians who feel that one day the Jewish people will recognize Jesus as their “ savior” and we know about the religious intolerance of the Muslim World. During the Gulf War our Military weren’t even allowed to bring their bibles into Saudi Arabia. How would you feel if that were Israel??

What a fascinating load of gibberish!

Surely even you can string a sentence together that makes SOME sense? Hmmm I guess not!

Nothing to say about Christmas who feel they are the true Religion or Muslims who have no tolerance or respect for others?
Not surprised!!!

More gibberish?

Maybe you need to get back to the docs and get a change of meds... You are posting unintelligible nonsense

I’m not telling the truth about my comments about Jordan or Abbas? Maybe you should have yourself committed to get a reality check.

Suggest you try and keep on topic... That may help you post something that actually makes sense moron!

I am on topic. I am not the one who spoke about “Apartheid “
Since 1949
“

 

[USAF 2023]

The only person who brought up choseness is you. It is a pattern on this board that the only people who bring up choseness are people wishing to demonize the Jewish people. Oh, and its not "providing valid criticism of Israel's government policies" -- its a direct attack on the Jewish people.

Jewish people do not bring up choseness. It is a tool used by those who have an unreasonable hatred of Jews in order to apply traits of arrogance and superiority to Jews so that they can be demonized. (Which, btw, is NOT what choseness means and anyone with any knowledge of actual Torah, rather than canards said about Torah, would know that.)

So, to get this straight, you are trying to tell me that not a single Team Israel member has ever said that Israel was given to them by god?

You are trying to tell me that Jews do not think that they are the chosen ones?

“ Chosen “ isn’t about good or bad according to your thread. . It’s about the Torah. So what?? I know Christians who feel that one day the Jewish people will recognize Jesus as their “ savior” and we know about the religious intolerance of the Muslim World. During the Gulf War our Military weren’t even allowed to bring their bibles into Saudi Arabia. How would you feel if that were Israel??

What a fascinating load of gibberish!

Surely even you can string a sentence together that makes SOME sense? Hmmm I guess not!

Nothing to say about Christmas who feel they are the true Religion or Muslims who have no tolerance or respect for others?
Not surprised!!!

More gibberish?

Maybe you need to get back to the docs and get a change of meds... You are posting unintelligible nonsense

There is nothing that I have written that any sane person would consider "demonization" of anyone! That is your opinion based on you being Team Israel!

Jew traits. And something about the arrogance about being chosen and setting ourselves apart from humanity. Nothing demonizing there at all. /sarcasm

But I'm willing to test it if you want, I can start talking about Arab traits.

Not going to get a response from the.

Well don't you look like a ******* moron again

You are a ******* Moron!

 

[Humanity]

Jew traits. And something about the arrogance about being chosen and setting ourselves apart from humanity. Nothing demonizing there at all. /sarcasm

But I'm willing to test it if you want, I can start talking about Arab traits.

Not going to get a response from the.

Well don't you look like a ******* moron again

After you!!!!

Your quick wit and comedic repartee is astounding for someone who is lacking a few brain cells...

Seriously though, are you sure you should be here? You are clearly too young, retarded or too old to make any meaningful contribution to debate!

Denying my post about Abbas and what I saw about Jordan?

Here dumbass let me help you...

The title of the OP is "Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people"

Not about Abbas or Jordan!

 

[Humanity]

So, to get this straight, you are trying to tell me that not a single Team Israel member has ever said that Israel was given to them by god?

You are trying to tell me that Jews do not think that they are the chosen ones?

“ Chosen “ isn’t about good or bad according to your thread. . It’s about the Torah. So what?? I know Christians who feel that one day the Jewish people will recognize Jesus as their “ savior” and we know about the religious intolerance of the Muslim World. During the Gulf War our Military weren’t even allowed to bring their bibles into Saudi Arabia. How would you feel if that were Israel??

What a fascinating load of gibberish!

Surely even you can string a sentence together that makes SOME sense? Hmmm I guess not!

Nothing to say about Christmas who feel they are the true Religion or Muslims who have no tolerance or respect for others?
Not surprised!!!

More gibberish?

Maybe you need to get back to the docs and get a change of meds... You are posting unintelligible nonsense

There is nothing that I have written that any sane person would consider "demonization" of anyone! That is your opinion based on you being Team Israel!

Jew traits. And something about the arrogance about being chosen and setting ourselves apart from humanity. Nothing demonizing there at all. /sarcasm

But I'm willing to test it if you want, I can start talking about Arab traits.

Not going to get a response from the.

Well don't you look like a ******* moron again

You are a ******* Moron!

You are dumb, plain and simple, emphasis on "simple"!

 

[Humanity]

What a fascinating load of gibberish!

Surely even you can string a sentence together that makes SOME sense? Hmmm I guess not!

Nothing to say about Christmas who feel they are the true Religion or Muslims who have no tolerance or respect for others?
Not surprised!!!

More gibberish?

Maybe you need to get back to the docs and get a change of meds... You are posting unintelligible nonsense

I’m not telling the truth about my comments about Jordan or Abbas? Maybe you should have yourself committed to get a reality check.

Suggest you try and keep on topic... That may help you post something that actually makes sense moron!

I am on topic. I am not the one who spoke about “Apartheid “
Since 1949
“

NOR DID I YOU ******* IDIOT!

 

[USAF 2023]

Nothing to say about Christmas who feel they are the true Religion or Muslims who have no tolerance or respect for others?
Not surprised!!!

More gibberish?

Maybe you need to get back to the docs and get a change of meds... You are posting unintelligible nonsense

I’m not telling the truth about my comments about Jordan or Abbas? Maybe you should have yourself committed to get a reality check.

Suggest you try and keep on topic... That may help you post something that actually makes sense moron!

I am on topic. I am not the one who spoke about “Apartheid “
Since 1949
“

NOR DID I YOU ******* IDIOT!

Don’t talk about yourself that way!!! On the other hand, maybe you should..

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people
※→ Humanity, et al,

"Demonization" is a propaganda technique as old as the concept of the "devil" and "evil" itself. It assigns these two attributes to an entity as a means of communicating how wickedly damaging to the community the entity is → as well as → how threatening entity is relative to the defender's way of life.

There is nothing that I have written that any sane person would consider "demonization" of anyone! That is your opinion based on you being Team Israel!

(COMMENT)

It is strategies used to identify one's better qualities while, at the time, protect one’s self-image. It sets one party to a confrontation morally above the opponent.

• Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (SEP) •
​

Moral Skepticism
The famous Cartesian hypothesis is of a demon who deceives me in all of my beliefs about the external...experiences or beliefs, because of how the deceiving demon is defined. (Source: SEP) "Demons" do "evil."

When the Arab Palestinians (as an example) → attempts to justify the use of explosives and other lethal devices in, into, or against various defined public places with intent to kill or cause serious bodily injury, or with intent to cause extensive (yet unnecessary) destruction of private property, public place and commercial industry → they take on the image of 'evil."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Coyote]

You can’t just assume their state, should it come to be, will be Jew free ...

I'm not assuming it. They've said as much.

In what Constitution? What laws?

Abbas just said it yesterday. During negotiations.

Take a look at this:

The continuous attachment of the Jewish people to the land of their fathers and forefathers, on which this people has historically lived, is a fact which has been expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The strength of this attachment is confirmed by its consistency over time and place, by keeping faith with and holding on to national identity, and in the wonderous accomplishments of struggle. The organic relationship between the Jewish people, their history and their land has confirmed itself in their unceasing effort to prompt the world to recognize the rights of the Jewish people and their national entity on equal footing with other nations.

Israel is part of the larger Jewish world and the Jewish people are part of Israel.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

Judaism is the official religion in Israel. Respect for the sanctity of all other religions shall be maintained.

Halacha shall be the principle source of legislation.

Hebrew shall be the official language.



Admirable or Apartheid?

Do you have a link to what Abbas said? And again, there is NO state. What he says is no different then what different factions in the formation of Israel said. What counts is what is put into law once a state is established.

Apartheid? No.

Admirable? Not sure.

Halacha will be the principle source of legislation? Halacha: The Laws of Jewish Life | My Jewish Learning

In a democratic society?

I find that as disturbing as the use of Sharia as the principle source of legislation. Is that legislation then imposed on unbelievers? What does this mean exactly?

No matter how you look at it...it has the potential to exacerbate inequality.

Can it really coexist with democracy?

Was the part about Halacha the only part that seems problematic to you?

No. I also question a democratic society having a state religion - but then, I feel that way about any state that has a "state religion" - that is certainly not unique to Israel. Some states have it as a remnant of a past where the monarchy and religion was entertwined. Others have it in a more active sense, where the religion plays an active role in public life. I also question the capital being Jerusalem since theoretically all that was supposed to be resolved through negotiation not fiat.

I thought the part about Halacha was removed?

 

[Coyote]

In what Constitution? What laws?

Abbas just said it yesterday. During negotiations.

Take a look at this:

The continuous attachment of the Jewish people to the land of their fathers and forefathers, on which this people has historically lived, is a fact which has been expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The strength of this attachment is confirmed by its consistency over time and place, by keeping faith with and holding on to national identity, and in the wonderous accomplishments of struggle. The organic relationship between the Jewish people, their history and their land has confirmed itself in their unceasing effort to prompt the world to recognize the rights of the Jewish people and their national entity on equal footing with other nations.

Israel is part of the larger Jewish world and the Jewish people are part of Israel.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

Judaism is the official religion in Israel. Respect for the sanctity of all other religions shall be maintained.

Halacha shall be the principle source of legislation.

Hebrew shall be the official language.



Admirable or Apartheid?

Do you have a link to what Abbas said? And again, there is NO state. What he says is no different then what different factions in the formation of Israel said. What counts is what is put into law once a state is established.

Apartheid? No.

Admirable? Not sure.

Halacha will be the principle source of legislation? Halacha: The Laws of Jewish Life | My Jewish Learning

In a democratic society?

I find that as disturbing as the use of Sharia as the principle source of legislation. Is that legislation then imposed on unbelievers? What does this mean exactly?

No matter how you look at it...it has the potential to exacerbate inequality.

Can it really coexist with democracy?

In what Constitution? What laws?

Abbas just said it yesterday. During negotiations.

Take a look at this:

The continuous attachment of the Jewish people to the land of their fathers and forefathers, on which this people has historically lived, is a fact which has been expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The strength of this attachment is confirmed by its consistency over time and place, by keeping faith with and holding on to national identity, and in the wonderous accomplishments of struggle. The organic relationship between the Jewish people, their history and their land has confirmed itself in their unceasing effort to prompt the world to recognize the rights of the Jewish people and their national entity on equal footing with other nations.

Israel is part of the larger Jewish world and the Jewish people are part of Israel.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

Judaism is the official religion in Israel. Respect for the sanctity of all other religions shall be maintained.

Halacha shall be the principle source of legislation.

Hebrew shall be the official language.



Admirable or Apartheid?

Do you have a link to what Abbas said? And again, there is NO state. What he says is no different then what different factions in the formation of Israel said. What counts is what is put into law once a state is established.

Apartheid? No.

Admirable? Not sure.

Halacha will be the principle source of legislation? Halacha: The Laws of Jewish Life | My Jewish Learning

In a democratic society?

I find that as disturbing as the use of Sharia as the principle source of legislation. Is that legislation then imposed on unbelievers? What does this mean exactly?

No matter how you look at it...it has the potential to exacerbate inequality.

Can it really coexist with democracy?

“ In the final resolution; there will not be a single Israeli( either Civilian or Soldier on our Lands” That statement has come from Abbas several times This can be easily confirmed by those who want the truth. I

Israeli. Not Jew.

So what?? You don’t consider that discriminatory?

Sounds like they are saying they don't want any foriegn nationals of "the enemy" in their state. Whether that occurs or not is up in the air. A lot of it is rhetoric. Let's see what happens when they actually form a state - then we can see if there is discrimmination or not.

 

[Coyote]

Folks - there is some kindergarten fighting going on here, not going to name names, but take it to the Flame Zone if you want to go after each other. Otherwise - let's discuss the topic.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people
※→ Coyote, et al,

No matter what the provailing opinion is about any given political and legal framework is, the dometic population wants what it wants.

No. I also question a democratic society having a state religion - but then, I feel that way about any state that has a "state religion" - that is certainly not unique to Israel. Some states have it as a remnant of a past where the monarchy and religion was entertwined. Others have it in a more active sense, where the religion plays an active role in public life.

(COMMENT)

I agree, there is nothing inherently wrong with a "State Religion" → a "Monarchy" → or a "Theocracy," if it is supported by the general domestic population. No matter what we may think of it [(good, bad, or indifferent) (self-destructive or not)] they will eventually do what they want.

I also question the capital being Jerusalem since theoretically all that was supposed to be resolved through negotiation not fiat.

(COMMENT)

A capitol is wherever the demonsticpopulation settles it; and it can change. This is not the first time Jerusalem has been designated a Capitol, and it will not be the last.

The designated use of Jerusalem as a Capitol was in 1950 almost → 70 years ago. It was inside the 1949 Armnistice Line. Yes, the original concept was that Jerusalem would be a self-governing institution in its own right. But there had been no meaningful negotiations over the issue until the Treaty of 1994 between Jordan and Israel.

Article 9 - Places of Historical and Religious Significance and Interfaith Relations

1. Each Party will provide freedom of access to places of religious and historical significance.

2. In this regard, in accordance with the Washington Declaration, Israel respects the present special role of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in Muslim Holy shrines in Jerusalem. When negotiations on the permanent status will take place, Israel will give high priority to the Jordanian historic role in these shrines.

3. The Parties will act together to promote interfaith relations among the three monotheistic religions, with the aim of working towards religious understanding, moral commitment, freedom of religious worship, and tolerance and peace.​

The deterioration of political and deplomatic relations have come to the end-state we see today.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Humanity]

More gibberish?

Maybe you need to get back to the docs and get a change of meds... You are posting unintelligible nonsense

I’m not telling the truth about my comments about Jordan or Abbas? Maybe you should have yourself committed to get a reality check.

Suggest you try and keep on topic... That may help you post something that actually makes sense moron!

I am on topic. I am not the one who spoke about “Apartheid “
Since 1949
“

NOR DID I YOU ******* IDIOT!

Don’t talk about yourself that way!!! On the other hand, maybe you should..

Are you a child? Good grief!

 

[Shusha]

Sounds like they are saying they don't want any foriegn nationals of "the enemy" in their state. Whether that occurs or not is up in the air. A lot of it is rhetoric. Let's see what happens when they actually form a state - then we can see if there is discrimmination or not.

You don't see that as already being discrimination?

In a final peace treaty, would you support both sides having no "foreign nationals of the enemy" in their State?

 

[Humanity]

Yes, the original concept was that Jerusalem would be a self-governing institution in its own right. But there had been no meaningful negotiations over the issue until the Treaty of 1994 between Jordan and Israel.

Let's be honest about it...

There was NEVER going to be any "meaningful negotiations" as to the who/where/what/why of Jerusalem!

Jerusalem should be, as was set out in 1947, corpus separatum!