Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people

[Shusha]

I know there are several "mixed" private schools and daycares in the West Bank.

In Jerusalem? In Area C? In Palestine government-controlled areas?

 

[Shusha]

It is Jew free because Israel removed them.

Well, yes and no. From Gaza, yes. Because Israel feared for their safety. From Jerusalem and the "West Bank" no -- they were forcibly removed during the war. You are veering awfully close to justifying ethnic cleansing here.

And Israel IS the enemy.

Sure. But the CONTEXT is a punishment of death or a lifetime of hard labor for selling property to the "enemy". Surely, you can not be saying that it is legally and morally permissible for Israel to imprison or execute those who sell land to non-Israelis, are you? Surely you are not saying that it is legally and morally permissible for Israel to block all sale of land to Arabs as "enemy", are you? Your double standards are showing.

You can’t make judgements on a nonexistent state.

What? You most certainly can. The governments of Palestine and Gaza can most certainly be held responsible for their actions. They must be. They don't get a pass on bad behavior ("break down the border fence and rip the hearts out of Jews") because they are not a "real" country. Please. Your double standards are showing.

The double standard is that we are not giving the Palestinians the same leeway Israel had when it got its state.

Not giving Palestinians the same leeway? I'm sorry, but where was the uproar about Palestine's constitution again?

Team Israel has already decided what to hat state would be like when the Palestinians can’t even agree on what it will be like.

When people tell you who they are -- believe them.

 

[P F Tinmore]

My point is not to absolve Israel from discrimination. I have said time and again that there is clearly deeply rooted, even systemic discrimination in Israel.

What you are saying is not enough. Prove it. Until now I didn't see even one confirmation.

You are arguing that Israel is discrimination-free?

Even if they are; So what? Look at the AntiSemetic background of the Arab World long before 1948

We can always look at other countries that are worse. Are you saying that it justifies discrimination?

Standard deflection tactic.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is Jew free because Israel removed them.

Well, yes and no. From Gaza, yes. Because Israel feared for their safety. From Jerusalem and the "West Bank" no -- they were forcibly removed during the war. You are veering awfully close to justifying ethnic cleansing here.

And Israel IS the enemy.

Sure. But the CONTEXT is a punishment of death or a lifetime of hard labor for selling property to the "enemy". Surely, you can not be saying that it is legally and morally permissible for Israel to imprison or execute those who sell land to non-Israelis, are you? Surely you are not saying that it is legally and morally permissible for Israel to block all sale of land to Arabs as "enemy", are you? Your double standards are showing.

You can’t make judgements on a nonexistent state.

What? You most certainly can. The governments of Palestine and Gaza can most certainly be held responsible for their actions. They must be. They don't get a pass on bad behavior ("break down the border fence and rip the hearts out of Jews") because they are not a "real" country. Please. Your double standards are showing.

The double standard is that we are not giving the Palestinians the same leeway Israel had when it got its state.

Not giving Palestinians the same leeway? I'm sorry, but where was the uproar about Palestine's constitution again?

Team Israel has already decided what to hat state would be like when the Palestinians can’t even agree on what it will be like.

When people tell you who they are -- believe them.

and the "West Bank" no -- they were forcibly removed during the war.

Yes but that was by Jordan. The Palestinians had nothing to do with it.

 

[Shusha]

Yes but that was by Jordan. The Palestinians had nothing to do with it.

They are not exactly welcoming them back, now are they?

 

[Humanity]

STOP MAKING SHIT UP!

Jesus! Team Israel are on good liar form today!

Can you please show me where I accused Israel of apartheid?

Consummate liars!!

Post #698

Arab Israelis are not being moved to Bantustans.

Yet!

The obvious implication is apartheid. And you are demonizing Israel for something they have not, in fact, done based on a belief you have that they will do such a thing at some point in the future. That is NOT fair criticism of Israel's policies. That is demonization.

Is this a continuation of lies? Post #698 is YOUR post!

Still no demonization!

And to deal with "That is NOT fair criticism of Israel's policies" - Whether it is "fair" to critisize the policy of a government is a matter of opinion. Don't you think?

If I critisize the policies of the US am I demonizing the US and the people of the US?

 

[Olde Europe]

Again -- the emphasis seems to be on strategic immigration policy -- not discrimination against the fully incorporated CURRENT Arab citizens. What good is the promise and priority of providing sanctuary to World Jewry if the very limited land held BY the state (not occupied territories) is not reserved in a fashion that ALLOWS them to honor that pledge.

That would be wrong. From the first phrase to the last. The Israeli state holds 93% of Israeli territory. And it has nothing in particular to do with immigration. And keeping Arabs in squalor because there might be Jews arriving is no way to "honor" a pledge. It's merely a way to "justify" inhumanity.

You're kinda off in the weeds and so is Ha'Aretz with this editorial. I encourage you to READ AGAIN the actual bill shown in OP, and point out the places YOU think turns Israel "into a racist Jewish State". It's not there.

The editorial was spot on. I'd suggest you take your time to read the thread.

 

[Humanity]

I'm not demonizing anyone... Certainly not "an entire peoples"!

There in lies a common issue with Team Israel...

The distinction between people and politics!

My critisizing Israeli politics and policies does not, as you might claim, make me antisemetic!

What makes you antisemitic is that demonizing is all you do.

Oh dear, another retarded liar zionut!

Show me one post where I demonize Jews

You don’t, it is just another attempt to derail the thread into personal attacks. Ignore it.

Criticizing Israeli policy is not anti Semitic, I think some tend to use it as a means of stifling opposition. When it becomes potentially anti Semitic, imo, is when Israel is held to a different standard than other comparable countries or it turns in to a conversation on “the Jews”. Recognizing the rights and grievances of minorities or the Palestinians is not anti Semitic.

Israel is different in some ways in that it is in the midst of an unresolved territorial conflict, a capital claimed two peoples, mixed indiginous populations, territory populated by a stateless population with diminished rights, a it is the only nation I am aware of who’s right to even exist is still being argued generations later.

Interesting comment...

"when Israel is held to a different standard than other comparable countries" - When Team Israel holds Israel to a different standard it seems to be acceptable and, when you read through the multitude of comments here that is EXACTLY what Team Israel does...

It depends on who in Team Israel you mean...and in what particulars.

I mean, seriously, how many other countries/peoples were chosen by 'god'? How many other people consider themselves the 'chosen ones'?

Islam, Christianity...

It is this arrogance, this blind faith (faith being another word for ignorance) that is used time and again by Team Israel to try and differentiate themselves from the rest of humanity!

The arrogance and the hypocrisy is astonishing!

Ugh...Christians and Muslims act the same...they believe God made them special through special prophets who spoke for Her.

Humanity, don’t you see that in these words you are demonizing? You are making generalizations about Jews as a group, not Israeli policies or culture

No, these words are not demonizing. These are words taken straight from Team Israel!

You only have to look at comments from some members of Team Israel to see how they feel they are the chosen ones by god.

Need I mention the "Promised Land"?

 

[admonit]

My point is not to absolve Israel from discrimination. I have said time and again that there is clearly deeply rooted, even systemic discrimination in Israel.

What you are saying is not enough. Prove it. Until now I didn't see even one confirmation.

You are arguing that Israel is discrimination-free?

It's a strange question. Discrimination is a general notion. Some people may think that declaring Israel as a Jewish state discriminates Arabs. Others can consider the exemption of Arabs from military service as discrimination towards Jews.
Your words "there is clearly deeply rooted, even systemic discrimination in Israel" is a very strong statement and you should provide very strong evidences to support it.

 

[Humanity]

We do that often with the Palestinians as well as to how their future state would be Jew free or governed.

No we don't. For starters, their future state is ALREADY Jew-free.

Is it clearing yet?

The mists in your crystal ball?

 

[Humanity]

The idea of" choseness is not originating with us -- it is PUT ON US by others.

So there is nothing the in the torah or bible giving Jews "choseness"?

 

[Humanity]

My point is not to absolve Israel from discrimination. I have said time and again that there is clearly deeply rooted, even systemic discrimination in Israel.

What you are saying is not enough. Prove it. Until now I didn't see even one confirmation.

You are arguing that Israel is discrimination-free?

Even if they are; So what? Look at the AntiSemetic background of the Arab World long before 1948

You are very good at deflecting by moving from the question at hand about Israel and asking to look at others....

Typical move by you!

 

[Humanity]

My point is not to absolve Israel from discrimination. I have said time and again that there is clearly deeply rooted, even systemic discrimination in Israel.

What you are saying is not enough. Prove it. Until now I didn't see even one confirmation.

You are arguing that Israel is discrimination-free?

Even if they are; So what? Look at the AntiSemetic background of the Arab World long before 1948

We can always look at other countries that are worse. Are you saying that it justifies discrimination?

Tired of the double standard. Why doesn’t the “ International Community “”. Condemn and do something about it?

YOU are complaining about "double standards"?

 

[Humanity]

What? You most certainly can.

You can make a judgement on something that doesn't even exist?!?!

That is one special kind of psychic power you have there!

 

[Olde Europe]

No, these words are not demonizing. These are words taken straight from Team Israel!

You only have to look at comments from some members of Team Israel to see how they feel they are the chosen ones by god.

Need I mention the "Promised Land"?

I'd suggest you listen to Coyote on that score. For one, there is no "Team Israel" other than as a form of stereotyping. Second, if they feel they are their god's chosen people, so what? That's perfectly okay, unless they try to legislate their chosen-ness in order to discriminate against the lesser-in-god's-eye people. That means, you'd have to look at actual policies, actual legislation, not just feel-good-about-themselves prayer.

 

[Olde Europe]

National self-determination either includes all citizens, or it creates an apartheid state.

So, any State which names a specific ethnic or cultural group in its constitution is an apartheid state? Slovenia is an apartheid State because it mentions that its purpose is the self-determination of the Slovene people?

(Slovenia is, btw, about 15% non-Slovene)

I say, "National self-determination either includes all citizens, or it creates an apartheid state."

You: "So, any State which names a specific ethnic or cultural group in its constitution is an apartheid state?"

That's just one phrase, and you can't deal with one phrase without misrepresenting it. Serves to demonstrate, yet again, that any reply starting with "So, ..." is undoubtedly a lie. That's true, in particular, in case that reply comes from a devoted propagandist.

As to the Slovenian constitution, you should have read it, for had you done so, you'd realize it's an admirable document, and Israel could have learned how to do it right. But you didn't read it, and you are dutifully re-bleating the hasbara your handlers tasked you with catapulting. Your handlers also knew, apparently, that you'd be too lazy to read the document, and so they confidently lied to you. Why you debase yourself in that way I cannot understand, but hey... to each their own.

The only thing that even so much as smells of discrimination is a provision that allows for ethnic Slovenian citizens of other states to be granted, by law, privileges over other foreigners on Slovenian soil.

Oh, and BTW, as I've decided quite a number of years ago that life is way too short to waste any time debating hasbara peddlers, that's my first and last post to you.

 

[Humanity]

No, these words are not demonizing. These are words taken straight from Team Israel!

You only have to look at comments from some members of Team Israel to see how they feel they are the chosen ones by god.

Need I mention the "Promised Land"?

I'd suggest you listen to Coyote on that score. For one, there is no "Team Israel" other than as a form of stereotyping. Second, if they feel they are their god's chosen people, so what? That's perfectly okay, unless they try to legislate their chosen-ness in order to discriminate against the lesser-in-god's-eye people. That means, you'd have to look at actual policies, actual legislation, not just feel-good-about-themselves prayer.

Thanks for your 'advice'... Not sure I asked for it but hey, that's your free choice.

Well, you really need to have been here a while to what the tag teaming from Team Israel. It really is like a comedy show sometimes.

I have NO problem if "they"(?) feel "they"(?) are gods chosen ones... I just cannot accept it as some kind of excuse for wrong doings through Israeli legistation and policies. When it's used as some kind of defense then you can forget it. Again, stick around, you will see plenty of that shit going on!

The 'holier than thou' attitude from some Team Israel members to defend Israels actions/policies is pretty horrendous!

 

[Humanity]

The only thing that even so much as smells of discrimination is a provision that allows for ethnic Slovenian citizens of other states to be granted, by law, privileges over other foreigners on Slovenian soil.

Pretty much like Israel then

 

[Shusha]

Is this a continuation of lies? Post #698 is YOUR post!

Still no demonization!

And to deal with "That is NOT fair criticism of Israel's policies" - Whether it is "fair" to critisize the policy of a government is a matter of opinion. Don't you think?

If I critisize the policies of the US am I demonizing the US and the people of the US?

My mistake. It was #695.

It is absolutely fair to criticize the policies of a government. What it is NOT fair to do is criticize a government for something they have not done. Like create Bantustans. The implication of your post #695 was that Israel WILL create Bantustans in the future and therefore deserve to be condemned for apartheid even though they have not done so now. That is not fair criticism of a government's policies.

 

[Olde Europe]

I have NO problem if "they"(?) feel "they"(?) are gods chosen ones... I just cannot accept it as some kind of excuse for wrong doings through Israeli legistation and policies. When it's used as some kind of defense then you can forget it.

We agree, then. That's nice.

Thanks for the update on the various trenches and front lines. Any mine fields around?

The only thing that even so much as smells of discrimination is a provision that allows for ethnic Slovenian citizens of other states to be granted, by law, privileges over other foreigners on Slovenian soil.

Pretty much like Israel then

Not at all, since Israel provides privileges to Jewish citizens of other states over Israeli non-Jews. That's an entirely different ballpark.