Now Bush Says War About Oil

[CSM]

Chimpy has been lying for so long, about so many things, that the truth was bound to accidentally slip out at some point. Such was the case in this matter.

Really? Do you apply that same logic to Lurch Kerry? How about the lying liberal media....


Mornin Bully!

 

[Stephanie]

Chimpy has been lying for so long, about so many things, that the truth was bound to accidentally slip out at some point. Such was the case in this matter.

Well.....I hope you and all your liberal like minded thinkers, live in a tent, use no electricity, eat no food, and drive no car......
.Since you don't think we don't need THE OIL......
Since we can't seem to get anything passed here(for drilling oil or anything else for that matter, thanks to you liberal minded, global warming mongers, us humans are destroying the earth types) here at home....... Ugh......

That's not the reason we went into Iraq,(I'm pretty convinced you all will never see that one), that the Iraqi people for the most part, have a lot of well educated, freedom loving people, that were just waiting to be liberated from a brutal tyrant, and could be a great alley for us, smack dap in the hostile Middle East......
And if oil is one of the outcomes of it........GOOD for US and THEM.......

The stupidity runs so high sometimes on the left, liberal thinking minds.
I'm afraid it's becoming like quicksand, and if it takes hold in this country,
we're all gonna drown in it.......... soon....

 

[dilloduck]

So Bush is lying when he says it's about oil? :alco:

Avatar has exposed your pathic little attempt to misrepresent the truth. Liberals are screaming it's ALL about oil ( "no blood for oil", etc). Now that Bush has stated that oil supply is a concern that should be considered in the WOT, you attempt to imply he is "admitting" it was the ONLY reason that we invaded Iraq.

 

[Avatar4321]

Chimpy has been lying for so long, about so many things, that the truth was bound to accidentally slip out at some point. Such was the case in this matter.

Bully, You havent established that the President has lied about anything. Ive been here years and you still havent jack squat that the President has lied about. Of course, I dont think you ever will.

 

[dmp]

Oh my, I think I'm falling in love:


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to manu1959 again.

Took care of that for ya

 

[dmp]

Depends on how you define 'lying'...depends on what 'has' means.

 

[Nienna]

Jillian,

I have to ask, Ive heard it said you are a lawyer. How did you get through law school? Im serious. I just cant concieve that you dont see the difference between reasons for going in and reasons for remaining in there. Im not trying to mean or anything. I seriously want to know why it is you dont see the difference. Its pretty distinct.

Hey! That's basically what I was going to say!

 

[jillian]

Jillian,

I have to ask, Ive heard it said you are a lawyer. How did you get through law school? Im serious. I just cant concieve that you dont see the difference between reasons for going in and reasons for remaining in there. Im not trying to mean or anything. I seriously want to know why it is you dont see the difference. Its pretty distinct.

I think the halfwit president is making it up as he goes along and you have to be seriously deranged to listen to a word he says anyway. I just think it's amusing that he's come up with a new rationale and its the one that you guys have been whining wasn't the case for the past three years.

Oh... as for law school darling, got through it rather easily..... what have you done with your life?

I do so love how it's always the loony right that goes immediately for the insults. :teeth:

 

[dmp]

I think the halfwit president is making it up as he goes along and you have to be seriously deranged to listen to a word he says anyway. I just think it's amusing that he's come up with a new rationale and its the one that you guys have been whining wasn't the case for the past three years.

Oh... as for law school darling, got through it rather easily..... what have you done with your life?

I do so love how it's always the loony right that goes immediately for the insults. :teeth:

Wow? It's TRUE? You're a law-school graduate? You're an example of how 'education does not bring wisdom'. You SERIOUSLY can't see the proper context of what your President said? I bet if GWB said "We can't allow Krispy Kreme to fall into the hands of terrorists" you'd think the war was ALL about Donuts.

 

[jillian]

Wow? It's TRUE? You're a law-school graduate? You're an example of how 'education does not bring wisdom'. You SERIOUSLY can't see the proper context of what your President said? I bet if GWB said "We can't allow Krispy Kreme to fall into the hands of terrorists" you'd think the war was ALL about Donuts.

You've exhibited wisdom?!?!?! LOL... Let me give it to you straight, honey bear. The pres is full of crap.... and if he didn't say he believed in Jesus, you wouldn't listen to a word he says either.

Seems it's only you die-hard Bushies who actually accept him at his word.

But try this for wisdom....

Bush has been 'making it up' for too long, and the people have let him
Thus is our perspective, inevitably that of the explorer looking into the wrong end of the telescope.

But even accounting for our myopia, it’s hard to imagine there have been many elections more important than this one, certainly not in non-presidential years.

And so we look at the verdict in the trial of Saddam Hussein yesterday, and, with the very phrase “October, or November, Surprise” now a part of our vernacular, and the chest-thumping coming from so many of the Republican campaigners today, each of us must wonder about the convenience of the timing of his conviction and sentencing.

But let us give history and coincidence the benefit of the doubt—let’s say it’s just “happened” that way—and for a moment not look into the wrong end of the telescope.

Let’s perceive instead the bigger picture:

Saddam Hussein, found guilty in an Iraqi court.

Who can argue against that?

He is officially, what the world always knew he was: a war criminal.

Mr. Bush, was this imprimatur, worth the cost of 2,832 American lives, and thousands more American lives yet to be lost?

Is the conviction of Saddam Hussein the reason you went to war in Iraq?

Or did you go to war in Iraq because of the weapons of mass destruction that did not exist?

Or did you go to war in Iraq because of the connection between Iraq and al-Qaida that did not exist?

Or did you go to war in Iraq to break the bonds of tyranny there, while installing the mechanisms of tyranny here?

Or did you go to war in Iraq because you felt the need to wreak vengeance against somebody, anybody?

Or did you go to war in Iraq to contain a rogue state which, months earlier, your own administration had declared had been fully contained by sanctions?

Or did you go to war in Iraq to keep gas prices down?

How startling it was, sir, to hear you introduce oil to your stump speeches over the weekend.

Not four years removed from the most dismissive, the most condescending, the most ridiculing denials of the very hint at, as Mr. Rumsfeld put it, this “nonsense.”

There you were, campaigning in Colorado, in Nebraska, in Florida, in Kansas -- suddenly turning this ‘unpatriotic idea’ into a platform plank.

"You can imagine a world in which these extremists and radicals got control of energy resources," you told us. "And then you can imagine them saying, 'We're going to pull a bunch of oil off the market to run your price of oil up unless you do the following.'"

Having frightened us, having bullied us, having lied to us, having ignored and rewritten the Constitution under our noses, having stayed the course, having denied you’ve stayed the course, having belittled us about "timelines" but instead extolled "benchmarks," you’ve now resorted, sir, to this?

We must stay in Iraq to save the $2 gallon of gas?

Mr. President, there is no other conclusion we can draw as we go to the polls tomorrow.

Sir, you have been making this up as you went along.

This country was founded to prevent anybody from making it up as they went along.

Those vaunted Founding Fathers of ours have been so quoted up, that they appear as marble statues: like the chiseled guards of China, or the faces on Mount Rushmore. But in fact they were practical people and the thing they obviously feared most was a government of men and not laws.

They provided the checks and balances for a reason.

No one man could run the government the way he saw fit -- unless he, at the least, took into consideration what those he governed saw.

A House of Representatives would be the people's eyes.

A Senate would be the corrective force on that House.

An executive would do the work, and hold the Constitution to his chest like his child.

A Supreme Court would oversee it all.

Checks and balances.

Where did that go, Mr. Bush?

And what price did we pay because we have let it go?

Saddam Hussein will get out of Iraq the same way 2,832 Americans have and thousands more.

He’ll get out faster than we will.

And if nothing changes tomorrow, you, sir, will be out of the White House long before the rest of us can say we are out of Iraq.

And whose fault is this?

Not truly yours. You took advantage of those of us who were afraid, and those of us who believed unity and nation took precedence over all else.

But we let you take that advantage.

And so we let you go to war in Iraq to oust Saddam or find non-existant weapons or avenge 9/11 or fight terrorists who only got there after we did or as cover to change the fabric of our Constitution or for lower prices at The Texaco or…?

There are still a few hours left before the polls open, sir. There are many rationalizations still untried.

And whatever your motives of the moment, we the people have, in true good faith and with the genuine patriotism of self-sacrifice (of which you have shown you know nothing), we have let you go on making it up as you went along.

Unchecked and unbalanced.

Vote.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15595139/

 

[Dr Grump]

You've exhibited wisdom?!?!?! LOL... Let me give it to you straight, honey bear. The pres is full of crap.... and if he didn't say he believed in Jesus, you wouldn't listen to a word he says either.

Seems it's only you die-hard Bushies who actually accept him at his word.

But try this for wisdom....



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15595139/

Do you think they are getting the self-fulfilling prophecy angle, or does it need spelling out??? :tears1:

 

[jillian]

Do you think they are getting the self-fulfilling prophecy angle, or does it need spelling out??? :tears1:

Seems it needs to be spelled out for 'em... since not a single one got it. Though they did toss around plenty of insults. Par for the course.

Now what were they saying about wisdom? :teeth:

 

[Dr Grump]

Seems it needs to be spelled out for 'em... since not a single one got it. Though they did toss around plenty of insults. Par for the course.

Now what were they saying about wisdom? :teeth:

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jillian again.

Not lost on me that a mod helped hijack a thread, too. My, my, the elite move in funny ways around here...:teeth:

 

[jillian]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jillian again.

Why thanks... backatcha.

Not lost on me that a mod helped hijack a thread, too. My, my, the elite move in funny ways around here...:teeth:

You noticed that, too, huh? Thought I mighta been imagining things.

 

[dmp]

Dee-Dee-Dee..

...it'd be a shame for the potential for billions of dollars to find it's way into the hands of terrorists

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[dilloduck]

Jillian,
I just cant concieve that you dont see the difference between reasons for going in and reasons for remaining in there.

I think she knows the difference--admitting it is a whole different ballgame. It would require humility.

 

[theHawk]

Giving his upteenth reason for us being in Iraq, we're now told it's about the oil... and he isn't even a poster on DU. :tng: :funnyface



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/04/AR2006110401025.html

Putting aside the fact that he is talking about why it would be a bad idea to pull out versus a reason we went to war, do you think we should pull out and leave the oil revenue to the terrorists? If not what is the big Dem plan for Iraq? We've been waiting weeks now to hear the plan...:sleepy1:

 

[Mr. P]

Bush Says U.S. Pullout Would Let Iraq Radicals Use Oil as a Weapon

Makes sense to me. Twist it an Tag a war for oil if ya want, it's not, you know it. A factor, sure.

 

[trobinett]

Putting aside the fact that he is talking about why it would be a bad idea to pull out versus a reason we went to war, do you think we should pull out and leave the oil revenue to the terrorists? If not what is the big Dem plan for Iraq? We've been waiting weeks now to hear the plan...:sleepy1:

You'll die of old age Hawk, before the liberals of this world come up with a "plan" for anything, that even resembles something founded in reality, or with even a hope of working.:scratch:

 

[dmp]

You'll die of old age Hawk, before the liberals of this world come up with a "plan" for anything, that even resembles something founded in reality, or with even a hope of working.:scratch:

Liberals 'second-guess' the plan of others. Their "Plan" is to sharp shoot OTHERS' plans to make themselves FEEL better about beind idiots.