North Korea vs Gun Control

[Slade3200]

North Korea isn't just possessing a weapon, it's called "brandishing", which is illegal in most states. Or "using a weapon in a threatening manner".

How are they using it in a threatening manner? How is it different than when our military tests its weapons, or when a citizen shoots guns at the range?

Well, Nk. Korea did threaten to bring nuclear destruction to the US. Yes, you CAN go to the gun range and shoot off your weapons. It's where the proper place is to do that.

However.................you CAN'T discharge a weapon in the city limits here in Amarillo, because there is a chance of hitting your neighbor. N. Korea is basically firing a weapon in the city limits, as well as threatening it's neighbors.

Sorry, but your analogy doesn't work very well. If N. Korea hadn't threatened the US, and if they had kept all their tests in their own country, then there wouldn't be much of a problem and your analogy would work.

However.................N. Korea is the equivalent of the redneck neighbor that likes to go in their backyard and shoot off guns for celebrations, as well as threatens to shoot any neighbor they don't like.

Thats an interesting comparison... But NK is not firing weapons here in the US they are doing it in their own country so I don't think your analogy of firing within the city limits is comparable. I haven't seen reports that the missile tests they are doing as being an immediate threat to harming anybody.

Now your point about their threats is interesting. Im curious about what laws they are breaking by making threats? How their threats are different than the ones that Trump just made? And what is the punishment for making threats...

And to tie it back to the comparison in the OP... If a citizen makes a threat with their gun, "any intruder that tries to break into my house will be shot dead by my gun"... Should they be arrested? Should their gun be taken away?

You're right, N. Korea isn't firing weapons here in the US. If they did that, it would be considered an act of war. But my analogy still stands, because the missiles that they have test fired so far have been landing in international waters (the equivalent of shooting in the middle of the street), and if they carry out their threat to land some within 20 miles of Guam, those missiles will be flying over other countries (equivalent of shooting at someone through someone else's yard).

As far as the threatening? Yeah, again the analogy stands and N. Korea is doing the equivalent of standing on their back porch with a bullhorn, and threatening to shoot the person across the street. If you were to do that in the city limits, you would be charged with threatening, and if you had a gun in your hand and were shaking it (or test firing missiles), that would be considered brandishing.

Ok, fair points. How is N. Koreas "brandishing" different from what Trump just said?

Also, are they the only nation that is or has testing missile that have landed in the Ocean or cross over other countries?

 

[Slade3200]

North Korea isn't just possessing a weapon, it's called "brandishing", which is illegal in most states. Or "using a weapon in a threatening manner".

How are they using it in a threatening manner? How is it different than when our military tests its weapons, or when a citizen shoots guns at the range?

Live in South Korea for a while and you would understand.

I understand and don't support N. Koreas actions in the least. I'm drawing a comparison between why we want to take away their nukes verses, domestically, taking away our guns, by looking at actions and the law.

 

[ABikerSailor]

North Korea isn't just possessing a weapon, it's called "brandishing", which is illegal in most states. Or "using a weapon in a threatening manner".

How are they using it in a threatening manner? How is it different than when our military tests its weapons, or when a citizen shoots guns at the range?

Well, Nk. Korea did threaten to bring nuclear destruction to the US. Yes, you CAN go to the gun range and shoot off your weapons. It's where the proper place is to do that.

However.................you CAN'T discharge a weapon in the city limits here in Amarillo, because there is a chance of hitting your neighbor. N. Korea is basically firing a weapon in the city limits, as well as threatening it's neighbors.

Sorry, but your analogy doesn't work very well. If N. Korea hadn't threatened the US, and if they had kept all their tests in their own country, then there wouldn't be much of a problem and your analogy would work.

However.................N. Korea is the equivalent of the redneck neighbor that likes to go in their backyard and shoot off guns for celebrations, as well as threatens to shoot any neighbor they don't like.

Thats an interesting comparison... But NK is not firing weapons here in the US they are doing it in their own country so I don't think your analogy of firing within the city limits is comparable. I haven't seen reports that the missile tests they are doing as being an immediate threat to harming anybody.

Now your point about their threats is interesting. Im curious about what laws they are breaking by making threats? How their threats are different than the ones that Trump just made? And what is the punishment for making threats...

And to tie it back to the comparison in the OP... If a citizen makes a threat with their gun, "any intruder that tries to break into my house will be shot dead by my gun"... Should they be arrested? Should their gun be taken away?

You're right, N. Korea isn't firing weapons here in the US. If they did that, it would be considered an act of war. But my analogy still stands, because the missiles that they have test fired so far have been landing in international waters (the equivalent of shooting in the middle of the street), and if they carry out their threat to land some within 20 miles of Guam, those missiles will be flying over other countries (equivalent of shooting at someone through someone else's yard).

As far as the threatening? Yeah, again the analogy stands and N. Korea is doing the equivalent of standing on their back porch with a bullhorn, and threatening to shoot the person across the street. If you were to do that in the city limits, you would be charged with threatening, and if you had a gun in your hand and were shaking it (or test firing missiles), that would be considered brandishing.

Ok, fair points. How is N. Koreas "brandishing" different from what Trump just said?

Also, are they the only nation that is or has testing missile that have landed in the Ocean or cross over other countries?

All Trump has done so far is scream about N. Korea and what he would do if they launched against us. Kinda the equivalent of standing on your own front porch and yelling at the neighbor that's doing the brandishing, that if they fire at you, you will fire back and probably tear down their house.

In the eyes of the law, who started it (N. Korea) and who is the larger potential threat, based on the evidence at hand? Currently, it's N. Korea.

And while shouting back at them "you better not do it" is a lot less likely to incite your neighbor than "yeah, go ahead and shoot, and I will level your house with my guns". The second is more likely to get a bad response.

 

[JGalt]

Threatening to nuke the US? That's not "target practice."

Didn't we make the same threats? Did you see Trumps statements over the past week? What laws are the threats breaking, i'm being sincere, i'm curious about the legality.

Ok, whatever. Believe the NORKS are entitled to threaten us with nuclear weapons, I don't care. The Iranians too.

I'm posing questions and observations, not stating my beliefs. Are you not able to engage in an intelligent debate? You seem to give up or resort to insults when challenging questions are posed.

Would you care to try again to answer the questions?

You're not merely "stating your beliefs". What you are doing is attempting to use libertarian precepts in order to reinforce liberal progressive ideologies.

Was I born yesterday or something?

You are acting like it... Instead of answering questions and having an intelligent debate/conversation you inject motive and distortions about what my agenda is behind my comments. How about you just stick to the topics at hand and we stop wasting time

You're wasting your own time and everyone else's time if you think you're going to convince anyone that North Korea or Iran should be allowed to threaten the US with nuclear weapons. It's not up for discussion.

I've carried a concealed weapon for 8 years and the last thing I would think of should I feel an eminent threat, was whether or not I should debate the attacker's right to threaten my safety, or the safety of my family. Lofty ideals are all well and good, but whether North Korea has the right to threaten the US is not debatable..

 

[JGalt]

North Korea isn't just possessing a weapon, it's called "brandishing", which is illegal in most states. Or "using a weapon in a threatening manner".

How are they using it in a threatening manner? How is it different than when our military tests its weapons, or when a citizen shoots guns at the range?

Well, Nk. Korea did threaten to bring nuclear destruction to the US. Yes, you CAN go to the gun range and shoot off your weapons. It's where the proper place is to do that.

However.................you CAN'T discharge a weapon in the city limits here in Amarillo, because there is a chance of hitting your neighbor. N. Korea is basically firing a weapon in the city limits, as well as threatening it's neighbors.

Sorry, but your analogy doesn't work very well. If N. Korea hadn't threatened the US, and if they had kept all their tests in their own country, then there wouldn't be much of a problem and your analogy would work.

However.................N. Korea is the equivalent of the redneck neighbor that likes to go in their backyard and shoot off guns for celebrations, as well as threatens to shoot any neighbor they don't like.

Thats an interesting comparison... But NK is not firing weapons here in the US they are doing it in their own country so I don't think your analogy of firing within the city limits is comparable. I haven't seen reports that the missile tests they are doing as being an immediate threat to harming anybody.

Now your point about their threats is interesting. Im curious about what laws they are breaking by making threats? How their threats are different than the ones that Trump just made? And what is the punishment for making threats...

And to tie it back to the comparison in the OP... If a citizen makes a threat with their gun, "any intruder that tries to break into my house will be shot dead by my gun"... Should they be arrested? Should their gun be taken away?

You're right, N. Korea isn't firing weapons here in the US. If they did that, it would be considered an act of war. But my analogy still stands, because the missiles that they have test fired so far have been landing in international waters (the equivalent of shooting in the middle of the street), and if they carry out their threat to land some within 20 miles of Guam, those missiles will be flying over other countries (equivalent of shooting at someone through someone else's yard).

As far as the threatening? Yeah, again the analogy stands and N. Korea is doing the equivalent of standing on their back porch with a bullhorn, and threatening to shoot the person across the street. If you were to do that in the city limits, you would be charged with threatening, and if you had a gun in your hand and were shaking it (or test firing missiles), that would be considered brandishing.

Ok, fair points. How is N. Koreas "brandishing" different from what Trump just said?

Also, are they the only nation that is or has testing missile that have landed in the Ocean or cross over other countries?

Because you as an American should believe your country is right, and that globalism and communism is and has always been a threat to your way of life.

 

[Slade3200]

North Korea isn't just possessing a weapon, it's called "brandishing", which is illegal in most states. Or "using a weapon in a threatening manner".

How are they using it in a threatening manner? How is it different than when our military tests its weapons, or when a citizen shoots guns at the range?

Well, Nk. Korea did threaten to bring nuclear destruction to the US. Yes, you CAN go to the gun range and shoot off your weapons. It's where the proper place is to do that.

However.................you CAN'T discharge a weapon in the city limits here in Amarillo, because there is a chance of hitting your neighbor. N. Korea is basically firing a weapon in the city limits, as well as threatening it's neighbors.

Sorry, but your analogy doesn't work very well. If N. Korea hadn't threatened the US, and if they had kept all their tests in their own country, then there wouldn't be much of a problem and your analogy would work.

However.................N. Korea is the equivalent of the redneck neighbor that likes to go in their backyard and shoot off guns for celebrations, as well as threatens to shoot any neighbor they don't like.

Thats an interesting comparison... But NK is not firing weapons here in the US they are doing it in their own country so I don't think your analogy of firing within the city limits is comparable. I haven't seen reports that the missile tests they are doing as being an immediate threat to harming anybody.

Now your point about their threats is interesting. Im curious about what laws they are breaking by making threats? How their threats are different than the ones that Trump just made? And what is the punishment for making threats...

And to tie it back to the comparison in the OP... If a citizen makes a threat with their gun, "any intruder that tries to break into my house will be shot dead by my gun"... Should they be arrested? Should their gun be taken away?

You're right, N. Korea isn't firing weapons here in the US. If they did that, it would be considered an act of war. But my analogy still stands, because the missiles that they have test fired so far have been landing in international waters (the equivalent of shooting in the middle of the street), and if they carry out their threat to land some within 20 miles of Guam, those missiles will be flying over other countries (equivalent of shooting at someone through someone else's yard).

As far as the threatening? Yeah, again the analogy stands and N. Korea is doing the equivalent of standing on their back porch with a bullhorn, and threatening to shoot the person across the street. If you were to do that in the city limits, you would be charged with threatening, and if you had a gun in your hand and were shaking it (or test firing missiles), that would be considered brandishing.

North Korean WMD programs must be eradicated for safety of all mankind.

Does the same logic apply to guns in America to a lesser degree?

 

[Slade3200]

There is an interesting parallel between the NK situation and the gun control debate that I want to throw out there...

Based on the slogan, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" does that also apply to Nukes? "Nukes don't kill people, people who push the button kill people" So does the rationale apply to both situations?

Is North Korea breaking international law by testing and developing weapons? Are they breaking laws by talking shit and making threats? If so, what laws are being broken? If not, then does the fact that they are developing weapons and threatening to use them if attacked warrant a military response like Trump has proclaimed?

Last time I checked it isn't illegal for a US citizen to threaten to use lethal force if they are attacked or if somebody threatens their life or family.

I know it isn't exactly apples to apples but thought it would stir an interesting debate. thoughts?

North Korea isn't just possessing a weapon, it's called "brandishing", which is illegal in most states. Or "using a weapon in a threatening manner".

How are they using it in a threatening manner? How is it different than when our military tests its weapons, or when a citizen shoots guns at the range?

Well, Nk. Korea did threaten to bring nuclear destruction to the US. Yes, you CAN go to the gun range and shoot off your weapons. It's where the proper place is to do that.

However.................you CAN'T discharge a weapon in the city limits here in Amarillo, because there is a chance of hitting your neighbor. N. Korea is basically firing a weapon in the city limits, as well as threatening it's neighbors.

Sorry, but your analogy doesn't work very well. If N. Korea hadn't threatened the US, and if they had kept all their tests in their own country, then there wouldn't be much of a problem and your analogy would work.

However.................N. Korea is the equivalent of the redneck neighbor that likes to go in their backyard and shoot off guns for celebrations, as well as threatens to shoot any neighbor they don't like.

Thats an interesting comparison... But NK is not firing weapons here in the US they are doing it in their own country so I don't think your analogy of firing within the city limits is comparable. I haven't seen reports that the missile tests they are doing as being an immediate threat to harming anybody.

Now your point about their threats is interesting. Im curious about what laws they are breaking by making threats? How their threats are different than the ones that Trump just made? And what is the punishment for making threats...

And to tie it back to the comparison in the OP... If a citizen makes a threat with their gun, "any intruder that tries to break into my house will be shot dead by my gun"... Should they be arrested? Should their gun be taken away?

You're right, N. Korea isn't firing weapons here in the US. If they did that, it would be considered an act of war. But my analogy still stands, because the missiles that they have test fired so far have been landing in international waters (the equivalent of shooting in the middle of the street), and if they carry out their threat to land some within 20 miles of Guam, those missiles will be flying over other countries (equivalent of shooting at someone through someone else's yard).

As far as the threatening? Yeah, again the analogy stands and N. Korea is doing the equivalent of standing on their back porch with a bullhorn, and threatening to shoot the person across the street. If you were to do that in the city limits, you would be charged with threatening, and if you had a gun in your hand and were shaking it (or test firing missiles), that would be considered brandishing.

if someone is landing bullets in the middle of my street

while making remarks that they are going to kill me or my family

you can bank on a massive return volley of shots

Are the North Koreans dropping missiles in the streets of other countries? I'm not seeing the relation. Are they testing their missiles in a reckless way that is a threat to saftey or doing it any differently than we have tested our missiles? I thought the debate was centered around the threat of them using a nuke, not the threat of injury from a bad test.

 

[Slade3200]

How are they using it in a threatening manner? How is it different than when our military tests its weapons, or when a citizen shoots guns at the range?

Well, Nk. Korea did threaten to bring nuclear destruction to the US. Yes, you CAN go to the gun range and shoot off your weapons. It's where the proper place is to do that.

However.................you CAN'T discharge a weapon in the city limits here in Amarillo, because there is a chance of hitting your neighbor. N. Korea is basically firing a weapon in the city limits, as well as threatening it's neighbors.

Sorry, but your analogy doesn't work very well. If N. Korea hadn't threatened the US, and if they had kept all their tests in their own country, then there wouldn't be much of a problem and your analogy would work.

However.................N. Korea is the equivalent of the redneck neighbor that likes to go in their backyard and shoot off guns for celebrations, as well as threatens to shoot any neighbor they don't like.

Thats an interesting comparison... But NK is not firing weapons here in the US they are doing it in their own country so I don't think your analogy of firing within the city limits is comparable. I haven't seen reports that the missile tests they are doing as being an immediate threat to harming anybody.

Now your point about their threats is interesting. Im curious about what laws they are breaking by making threats? How their threats are different than the ones that Trump just made? And what is the punishment for making threats...

And to tie it back to the comparison in the OP... If a citizen makes a threat with their gun, "any intruder that tries to break into my house will be shot dead by my gun"... Should they be arrested? Should their gun be taken away?

You're right, N. Korea isn't firing weapons here in the US. If they did that, it would be considered an act of war. But my analogy still stands, because the missiles that they have test fired so far have been landing in international waters (the equivalent of shooting in the middle of the street), and if they carry out their threat to land some within 20 miles of Guam, those missiles will be flying over other countries (equivalent of shooting at someone through someone else's yard).

As far as the threatening? Yeah, again the analogy stands and N. Korea is doing the equivalent of standing on their back porch with a bullhorn, and threatening to shoot the person across the street. If you were to do that in the city limits, you would be charged with threatening, and if you had a gun in your hand and were shaking it (or test firing missiles), that would be considered brandishing.

Ok, fair points. How is N. Koreas "brandishing" different from what Trump just said?

Also, are they the only nation that is or has testing missile that have landed in the Ocean or cross over other countries?

All Trump has done so far is scream about N. Korea and what he would do if they launched against us. Kinda the equivalent of standing on your own front porch and yelling at the neighbor that's doing the brandishing, that if they fire at you, you will fire back and probably tear down their house.

In the eyes of the law, who started it (N. Korea) and who is the larger potential threat, based on the evidence at hand? Currently, it's N. Korea.

And while shouting back at them "you better not do it" is a lot less likely to incite your neighbor than "yeah, go ahead and shoot, and I will level your house with my guns". The second is more likely to get a bad response.

Interesting, I'll do some research about what threats have been made. I'm curious to see what the back and forth has been. Do you think N. Korea is aggressing us for the hell of it or do you think they are reacting to perceived threats by our government to them?

 

[JGalt]

How are they using it in a threatening manner? How is it different than when our military tests its weapons, or when a citizen shoots guns at the range?

Well, Nk. Korea did threaten to bring nuclear destruction to the US. Yes, you CAN go to the gun range and shoot off your weapons. It's where the proper place is to do that.

However.................you CAN'T discharge a weapon in the city limits here in Amarillo, because there is a chance of hitting your neighbor. N. Korea is basically firing a weapon in the city limits, as well as threatening it's neighbors.

Sorry, but your analogy doesn't work very well. If N. Korea hadn't threatened the US, and if they had kept all their tests in their own country, then there wouldn't be much of a problem and your analogy would work.

However.................N. Korea is the equivalent of the redneck neighbor that likes to go in their backyard and shoot off guns for celebrations, as well as threatens to shoot any neighbor they don't like.

Thats an interesting comparison... But NK is not firing weapons here in the US they are doing it in their own country so I don't think your analogy of firing within the city limits is comparable. I haven't seen reports that the missile tests they are doing as being an immediate threat to harming anybody.

Now your point about their threats is interesting. Im curious about what laws they are breaking by making threats? How their threats are different than the ones that Trump just made? And what is the punishment for making threats...

And to tie it back to the comparison in the OP... If a citizen makes a threat with their gun, "any intruder that tries to break into my house will be shot dead by my gun"... Should they be arrested? Should their gun be taken away?

You're right, N. Korea isn't firing weapons here in the US. If they did that, it would be considered an act of war. But my analogy still stands, because the missiles that they have test fired so far have been landing in international waters (the equivalent of shooting in the middle of the street), and if they carry out their threat to land some within 20 miles of Guam, those missiles will be flying over other countries (equivalent of shooting at someone through someone else's yard).

As far as the threatening? Yeah, again the analogy stands and N. Korea is doing the equivalent of standing on their back porch with a bullhorn, and threatening to shoot the person across the street. If you were to do that in the city limits, you would be charged with threatening, and if you had a gun in your hand and were shaking it (or test firing missiles), that would be considered brandishing.

Ok, fair points. How is N. Koreas "brandishing" different from what Trump just said?

Also, are they the only nation that is or has testing missile that have landed in the Ocean or cross over other countries?

All Trump has done so far is scream about N. Korea and what he would do if they launched against us. Kinda the equivalent of standing on your own front porch and yelling at the neighbor that's doing the brandishing, that if they fire at you, you will fire back and probably tear down their house.

In the eyes of the law, who started it (N. Korea) and who is the larger potential threat, based on the evidence at hand? Currently, it's N. Korea.

And while shouting back at them "you better not do it" is a lot less likely to incite your neighbor than "yeah, go ahead and shoot, and I will level your house with my guns". The second is more likely to get a bad response.

Not when your neighbor has a crappy Saturday-Night Special with questionable ammo and is a bad shot, and you're pointing an M4 carbine at him.

"Yeah, go ahead and shoot. I will level your house with my guns."

 

[Slade3200]

Didn't we make the same threats? Did you see Trumps statements over the past week? What laws are the threats breaking, i'm being sincere, i'm curious about the legality.

Ok, whatever. Believe the NORKS are entitled to threaten us with nuclear weapons, I don't care. The Iranians too.

I'm posing questions and observations, not stating my beliefs. Are you not able to engage in an intelligent debate? You seem to give up or resort to insults when challenging questions are posed.

Would you care to try again to answer the questions?

You're not merely "stating your beliefs". What you are doing is attempting to use libertarian precepts in order to reinforce liberal progressive ideologies.

Was I born yesterday or something?

You are acting like it... Instead of answering questions and having an intelligent debate/conversation you inject motive and distortions about what my agenda is behind my comments. How about you just stick to the topics at hand and we stop wasting time

You're wasting your own time and everyone else's time if you think you're going to convince anyone that North Korea or Iran should be allowed to threaten the US with nuclear weapons. It's not up for discussion.

I've carried a concealed weapon for 8 years and the last thing I would think of should I feel an eminent threat, was whether or not I should debate the attacker's right to threaten my safety, or the safety of my family. Lofty ideals are all well and good, but whether North Korea has the right to threaten the US is not debatable..

Again, i'm not trying to convince anybody of anything, i'm engaging in a thought provoking debate which you seem incapable of engaging in. You can't keep to the topic and always seem to resort to petty insults and inaccurate regurgitations of my motives. Grow up.

 

[JGalt]

How are they using it in a threatening manner? How is it different than when our military tests its weapons, or when a citizen shoots guns at the range?

Well, Nk. Korea did threaten to bring nuclear destruction to the US. Yes, you CAN go to the gun range and shoot off your weapons. It's where the proper place is to do that.

However.................you CAN'T discharge a weapon in the city limits here in Amarillo, because there is a chance of hitting your neighbor. N. Korea is basically firing a weapon in the city limits, as well as threatening it's neighbors.

Sorry, but your analogy doesn't work very well. If N. Korea hadn't threatened the US, and if they had kept all their tests in their own country, then there wouldn't be much of a problem and your analogy would work.

However.................N. Korea is the equivalent of the redneck neighbor that likes to go in their backyard and shoot off guns for celebrations, as well as threatens to shoot any neighbor they don't like.

Thats an interesting comparison... But NK is not firing weapons here in the US they are doing it in their own country so I don't think your analogy of firing within the city limits is comparable. I haven't seen reports that the missile tests they are doing as being an immediate threat to harming anybody.

Now your point about their threats is interesting. Im curious about what laws they are breaking by making threats? How their threats are different than the ones that Trump just made? And what is the punishment for making threats...

And to tie it back to the comparison in the OP... If a citizen makes a threat with their gun, "any intruder that tries to break into my house will be shot dead by my gun"... Should they be arrested? Should their gun be taken away?

You're right, N. Korea isn't firing weapons here in the US. If they did that, it would be considered an act of war. But my analogy still stands, because the missiles that they have test fired so far have been landing in international waters (the equivalent of shooting in the middle of the street), and if they carry out their threat to land some within 20 miles of Guam, those missiles will be flying over other countries (equivalent of shooting at someone through someone else's yard).

As far as the threatening? Yeah, again the analogy stands and N. Korea is doing the equivalent of standing on their back porch with a bullhorn, and threatening to shoot the person across the street. If you were to do that in the city limits, you would be charged with threatening, and if you had a gun in your hand and were shaking it (or test firing missiles), that would be considered brandishing.

North Korean WMD programs must be eradicated for safety of all mankind.

Does the same logic apply to guns in America to a lesser degree?

Nope. The Second Amendment gives us the right to possess them. There's nothing in the constitution that gives an enemy the right to threaten us.

 

[Slade3200]

I've carried a concealed weapon for 8 years and the last thing I would think of should I feel an eminent threat, was whether or not I should debate the attacker's right to threaten my safety, or the safety of my family. Lofty ideals are all well and good, but whether North Korea has the right to threaten the US is not debatable..

If there were robbers breaking into houses in your neighborhood would you threaten to shoot them if they entered your house or tried to steal your property?

 

[JGalt]

Well, Nk. Korea did threaten to bring nuclear destruction to the US. Yes, you CAN go to the gun range and shoot off your weapons. It's where the proper place is to do that.

However.................you CAN'T discharge a weapon in the city limits here in Amarillo, because there is a chance of hitting your neighbor. N. Korea is basically firing a weapon in the city limits, as well as threatening it's neighbors.

Sorry, but your analogy doesn't work very well. If N. Korea hadn't threatened the US, and if they had kept all their tests in their own country, then there wouldn't be much of a problem and your analogy would work.

However.................N. Korea is the equivalent of the redneck neighbor that likes to go in their backyard and shoot off guns for celebrations, as well as threatens to shoot any neighbor they don't like.

Thats an interesting comparison... But NK is not firing weapons here in the US they are doing it in their own country so I don't think your analogy of firing within the city limits is comparable. I haven't seen reports that the missile tests they are doing as being an immediate threat to harming anybody.

Now your point about their threats is interesting. Im curious about what laws they are breaking by making threats? How their threats are different than the ones that Trump just made? And what is the punishment for making threats...

And to tie it back to the comparison in the OP... If a citizen makes a threat with their gun, "any intruder that tries to break into my house will be shot dead by my gun"... Should they be arrested? Should their gun be taken away?

You're right, N. Korea isn't firing weapons here in the US. If they did that, it would be considered an act of war. But my analogy still stands, because the missiles that they have test fired so far have been landing in international waters (the equivalent of shooting in the middle of the street), and if they carry out their threat to land some within 20 miles of Guam, those missiles will be flying over other countries (equivalent of shooting at someone through someone else's yard).

As far as the threatening? Yeah, again the analogy stands and N. Korea is doing the equivalent of standing on their back porch with a bullhorn, and threatening to shoot the person across the street. If you were to do that in the city limits, you would be charged with threatening, and if you had a gun in your hand and were shaking it (or test firing missiles), that would be considered brandishing.

Ok, fair points. How is N. Koreas "brandishing" different from what Trump just said?

Also, are they the only nation that is or has testing missile that have landed in the Ocean or cross over other countries?

All Trump has done so far is scream about N. Korea and what he would do if they launched against us. Kinda the equivalent of standing on your own front porch and yelling at the neighbor that's doing the brandishing, that if they fire at you, you will fire back and probably tear down their house.

In the eyes of the law, who started it (N. Korea) and who is the larger potential threat, based on the evidence at hand? Currently, it's N. Korea.

And while shouting back at them "you better not do it" is a lot less likely to incite your neighbor than "yeah, go ahead and shoot, and I will level your house with my guns". The second is more likely to get a bad response.

Interesting, I'll do some research about what threats have been made. I'm curious to see what the back and forth has been. Do you think N. Korea is aggressing us for the hell of it or do you think they are reacting to perceived threats by our government to them?

Last I remember, they lobbed some artillery rounds into South Korea. They weren't shooting at us. That was several years ago.

 

[Rustic]

There is an interesting parallel between the NK situation and the gun control debate that I want to throw out there...

Based on the slogan, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" does that also apply to Nukes? "Nukes don't kill people, people who push the button kill people" So does the rationale apply to both situations?

Is North Korea breaking international law by testing and developing weapons? Are they breaking laws by talking shit and making threats? If so, what laws are being broken? If not, then does the fact that they are developing weapons and threatening to use them if attacked warrant a military response like Trump has proclaimed?

Last time I checked it isn't illegal for a US citizen to threaten to use lethal force if they are attacked or if somebody threatens their life or family.

I know it isn't exactly apples to apples but thought it would stir an interesting debate. thoughts?

They have a crazy Socialist leader… Enough said

 

[Missouri_Mike]

There is an interesting parallel between the NK situation and the gun control debate that I want to throw out there...

Based on the slogan, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" does that also apply to Nukes? "Nukes don't kill people, people who push the button kill people" So does the rationale apply to both situations?

Is North Korea breaking international law by testing and developing weapons? Are they breaking laws by talking shit and making threats? If so, what laws are being broken? If not, then does the fact that they are developing weapons and threatening to use them if attacked warrant a military response like Trump has proclaimed?

Last time I checked it isn't illegal for a US citizen to threaten to use lethal force if they are attacked or if somebody threatens their life or family.

I know it isn't exactly apples to apples but thought it would stir an interesting debate. thoughts?

Chalk up another pro NK lib.

Equating or personal right to a firearm with NK having nukes. Pathetic.

 

[Slade3200]

How are they using it in a threatening manner? How is it different than when our military tests its weapons, or when a citizen shoots guns at the range?

Well, Nk. Korea did threaten to bring nuclear destruction to the US. Yes, you CAN go to the gun range and shoot off your weapons. It's where the proper place is to do that.

However.................you CAN'T discharge a weapon in the city limits here in Amarillo, because there is a chance of hitting your neighbor. N. Korea is basically firing a weapon in the city limits, as well as threatening it's neighbors.

Sorry, but your analogy doesn't work very well. If N. Korea hadn't threatened the US, and if they had kept all their tests in their own country, then there wouldn't be much of a problem and your analogy would work.

However.................N. Korea is the equivalent of the redneck neighbor that likes to go in their backyard and shoot off guns for celebrations, as well as threatens to shoot any neighbor they don't like.

Thats an interesting comparison... But NK is not firing weapons here in the US they are doing it in their own country so I don't think your analogy of firing within the city limits is comparable. I haven't seen reports that the missile tests they are doing as being an immediate threat to harming anybody.

Now your point about their threats is interesting. Im curious about what laws they are breaking by making threats? How their threats are different than the ones that Trump just made? And what is the punishment for making threats...

And to tie it back to the comparison in the OP... If a citizen makes a threat with their gun, "any intruder that tries to break into my house will be shot dead by my gun"... Should they be arrested? Should their gun be taken away?

You're right, N. Korea isn't firing weapons here in the US. If they did that, it would be considered an act of war. But my analogy still stands, because the missiles that they have test fired so far have been landing in international waters (the equivalent of shooting in the middle of the street), and if they carry out their threat to land some within 20 miles of Guam, those missiles will be flying over other countries (equivalent of shooting at someone through someone else's yard).

As far as the threatening? Yeah, again the analogy stands and N. Korea is doing the equivalent of standing on their back porch with a bullhorn, and threatening to shoot the person across the street. If you were to do that in the city limits, you would be charged with threatening, and if you had a gun in your hand and were shaking it (or test firing missiles), that would be considered brandishing.

Ok, fair points. How is N. Koreas "brandishing" different from what Trump just said?

Also, are they the only nation that is or has testing missile that have landed in the Ocean or cross over other countries?

Because you as an American should believe your country is right, and that globalism and communism is and has always been a threat to your way of life.

You are naive if you automatically assume that your country is always right. What makes us grow is by questioning and scrutinizing and evolving our system for the better. We used to be a slave owning nation. That wasn't right. It was questioned and it was rebelled upon and we progressed. But we need to be capable of honest and civilized debate to contest ideas and search for the best solutions. So far I'm having a very hard time getting that kind of engagement out of you.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

There is an interesting parallel between the NK situation and the gun control debate that I want to throw out there...

Based on the slogan, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" does that also apply to Nukes? "Nukes don't kill people, people who push the button kill people" So does the rationale apply to both situations?

Is North Korea breaking international law by testing and developing weapons? Are they breaking laws by talking shit and making threats? If so, what laws are being broken? If not, then does the fact that they are developing weapons and threatening to use them if attacked warrant a military response like Trump has proclaimed?

Last time I checked it isn't illegal for a US citizen to threaten to use lethal force if they are attacked or if somebody threatens their life or family.

I know it isn't exactly apples to apples but thought it would stir an interesting debate. thoughts?

Here's a thought. NK has gun control. Should we be more like them? If they didn't have gun control maybe they wouldn't be the problem they are today.

 

[JGalt]

I've carried a concealed weapon for 8 years and the last thing I would think of should I feel an eminent threat, was whether or not I should debate the attacker's right to threaten my safety, or the safety of my family. Lofty ideals are all well and good, but whether North Korea has the right to threaten the US is not debatable..

If there were robbers breaking into houses in your neighborhood would you threaten to shoot them if they entered your house or tried to steal your property?

You don't "threaten". The Castle Doctrine or "Stand Your Ground" law in this and most other states doesn't require you to warn an attacker. You just shoot them. Period. Shoot them in the back five times if you want.

The police have the power of arrest, I don't. So if they want, they can warn someone to put the gun down. The Castle Doctrine doesn't work that way.

 

[JGalt]

Well, Nk. Korea did threaten to bring nuclear destruction to the US. Yes, you CAN go to the gun range and shoot off your weapons. It's where the proper place is to do that.

However.................you CAN'T discharge a weapon in the city limits here in Amarillo, because there is a chance of hitting your neighbor. N. Korea is basically firing a weapon in the city limits, as well as threatening it's neighbors.

Sorry, but your analogy doesn't work very well. If N. Korea hadn't threatened the US, and if they had kept all their tests in their own country, then there wouldn't be much of a problem and your analogy would work.

However.................N. Korea is the equivalent of the redneck neighbor that likes to go in their backyard and shoot off guns for celebrations, as well as threatens to shoot any neighbor they don't like.

Thats an interesting comparison... But NK is not firing weapons here in the US they are doing it in their own country so I don't think your analogy of firing within the city limits is comparable. I haven't seen reports that the missile tests they are doing as being an immediate threat to harming anybody.

Now your point about their threats is interesting. Im curious about what laws they are breaking by making threats? How their threats are different than the ones that Trump just made? And what is the punishment for making threats...

And to tie it back to the comparison in the OP... If a citizen makes a threat with their gun, "any intruder that tries to break into my house will be shot dead by my gun"... Should they be arrested? Should their gun be taken away?

You're right, N. Korea isn't firing weapons here in the US. If they did that, it would be considered an act of war. But my analogy still stands, because the missiles that they have test fired so far have been landing in international waters (the equivalent of shooting in the middle of the street), and if they carry out their threat to land some within 20 miles of Guam, those missiles will be flying over other countries (equivalent of shooting at someone through someone else's yard).

As far as the threatening? Yeah, again the analogy stands and N. Korea is doing the equivalent of standing on their back porch with a bullhorn, and threatening to shoot the person across the street. If you were to do that in the city limits, you would be charged with threatening, and if you had a gun in your hand and were shaking it (or test firing missiles), that would be considered brandishing.

Ok, fair points. How is N. Koreas "brandishing" different from what Trump just said?

Also, are they the only nation that is or has testing missile that have landed in the Ocean or cross over other countries?

Because you as an American should believe your country is right, and that globalism and communism is and has always been a threat to your way of life.

You are naive if you automatically assume that your country is always right. What makes us grow is by questioning and scrutinizing and evolving our system for the better. We used to be a slave owning nation. That wasn't right. It was questioned and it was rebelled upon and we progressed. But we need to be capable of honest and civilized debate to contest ideas and search for the best solutions. So far I'm having a very hard time getting that kind of engagement out of you.

As former military, my country is always right. No matter what.

 

[Slade3200]

Well, Nk. Korea did threaten to bring nuclear destruction to the US. Yes, you CAN go to the gun range and shoot off your weapons. It's where the proper place is to do that.

However.................you CAN'T discharge a weapon in the city limits here in Amarillo, because there is a chance of hitting your neighbor. N. Korea is basically firing a weapon in the city limits, as well as threatening it's neighbors.

Sorry, but your analogy doesn't work very well. If N. Korea hadn't threatened the US, and if they had kept all their tests in their own country, then there wouldn't be much of a problem and your analogy would work.

However.................N. Korea is the equivalent of the redneck neighbor that likes to go in their backyard and shoot off guns for celebrations, as well as threatens to shoot any neighbor they don't like.

Thats an interesting comparison... But NK is not firing weapons here in the US they are doing it in their own country so I don't think your analogy of firing within the city limits is comparable. I haven't seen reports that the missile tests they are doing as being an immediate threat to harming anybody.

Now your point about their threats is interesting. Im curious about what laws they are breaking by making threats? How their threats are different than the ones that Trump just made? And what is the punishment for making threats...

And to tie it back to the comparison in the OP... If a citizen makes a threat with their gun, "any intruder that tries to break into my house will be shot dead by my gun"... Should they be arrested? Should their gun be taken away?

You're right, N. Korea isn't firing weapons here in the US. If they did that, it would be considered an act of war. But my analogy still stands, because the missiles that they have test fired so far have been landing in international waters (the equivalent of shooting in the middle of the street), and if they carry out their threat to land some within 20 miles of Guam, those missiles will be flying over other countries (equivalent of shooting at someone through someone else's yard).

As far as the threatening? Yeah, again the analogy stands and N. Korea is doing the equivalent of standing on their back porch with a bullhorn, and threatening to shoot the person across the street. If you were to do that in the city limits, you would be charged with threatening, and if you had a gun in your hand and were shaking it (or test firing missiles), that would be considered brandishing.

North Korean WMD programs must be eradicated for safety of all mankind.

Does the same logic apply to guns in America to a lesser degree?

Nope. The Second Amendment gives us the right to possess them. There's nothing in the constitution that gives an enemy the right to threaten us.

See, that was a fair point and a good argument. Would you say that other countries do have the right to possess any weapons that they want as long as they do not make a threat to us? And to further that, if a country does make a threat to us then do you think it should be policy that they have no right to have weapons?