North Korea agrees to curb nuclear work and missle testing

[Two Thumbs]

WASHINGTON — North Korea agreed to suspend nuclear weapons tests and enrichment and allow international inspectors to verify and monitor activities at its main reactor, the State Department announced on Wednesday, as part of a deal that included an American pledge to ship food aid to the isolated, impoverished nation.

Although the Obama administration called the steps “important, if limited,” they signaled a potential breakthrough in the impasse over North Korea’s nuclear weapons program following the death late last year of the country’s leader, Kim Jong-il. He has since been replaced by his son Kim Jong-un, and administration officials have been watching closely to see if his rise to power would alter the country’s behavior. North Korea also agreed on a moratorium on launches of long-range missiles, which have in the past raised military tensions in South Korea and Japan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/01/world/asia/us-says-north-korea-agrees-to-curb-nuclear-work.html

Anyone that thinks NK will keep their word, this time, is nothing but a partisan hack or a damn fool.

They will keep doing what they want b/c they use plutonium and the food we give them will, again, go to the military to keep the only people that could topple the generals, happy.

 

[Two Thumbs]

So what are they giving up? They'd are suspending nuclear weapons tests and uranium enrichment and allowing weapons inspectors

What are we giving up? Some rice


Where do we lose?

Apparently you lefty dupes lose your minds over your adoration of all things obama. They've been pulling this shit for decades, you fucking idiot. It's always the same old song and dance. UN 'inspectors' are taken on a few staged trips to see uber-grateful peasants praise Kim while eating heartily, the 'suspended' nuclear program goes on unabated at locations X,Y,Z while a big show is made of stopping work at location A (or for even greater effect, an unused or redundant facility is destroyed), the NK military gets larger rations for a while, the Kims further enhance their own positions, inspectors are put off, stalled, double-talked as they grow frustrated at what even dopes like them eventually start to figure out, and when the performance seems to be coming apart some bullshit pretex for 'outrage' from the NK regime is fabricated, they grow more militant and obstinant which scares the lefties into begging them for renewed negotiations - the process of organizing stretches out over months or years, and the whole cycle of deception, appeasement, and stupidity eventually starts again. Can't blame the evil fuckers for pulling the same shit over and over since it keeps working on idiots like you and equally willing dupes in the governments of various countries.

It's just a bunch of fucking rice. We send them a shipload of the shit and see what happens. Best case........starving people get fed, NK allows access to nukes

Worst case.....they fuck us over and we stop sending them rice.

Worst case.....they fuck us over and we stop sending them rice, and they keep starving the civilian to death.

or don't you care?

 

[Peach]

WASHINGTON — North Korea agreed to suspend nuclear weapons tests and enrichment and allow international inspectors to verify and monitor activities at its main reactor, the State Department announced on Wednesday, as part of a deal that included an American pledge to ship food aid to the isolated, impoverished nation.

Although the Obama administration called the steps “important, if limited,” they signaled a potential breakthrough in the impasse over North Korea’s nuclear weapons program following the death late last year of the country’s leader, Kim Jong-il. He has since been replaced by his son Kim Jong-un, and administration officials have been watching closely to see if his rise to power would alter the country’s behavior. North Korea also agreed on a moratorium on launches of long-range missiles, which have in the past raised military tensions in South Korea and Japan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/01/world/asia/us-says-north-korea-agrees-to-curb-nuclear-work.html

How many times have they AGREED to end their program if only we would give them something? And then thumbed their noses at us?

Many, then we toss them some food, nobody dies, we wait until they start up again. I would claim that no country so in need of FOOD would have money for a nuke, but Indira Ghandi proved that wrong a couple decades ago.

 

[rightwinger]

Apparently you lefty dupes lose your minds over your adoration of all things obama. They've been pulling this shit for decades, you fucking idiot. It's always the same old song and dance. UN 'inspectors' are taken on a few staged trips to see uber-grateful peasants praise Kim while eating heartily, the 'suspended' nuclear program goes on unabated at locations X,Y,Z while a big show is made of stopping work at location A (or for even greater effect, an unused or redundant facility is destroyed), the NK military gets larger rations for a while, the Kims further enhance their own positions, inspectors are put off, stalled, double-talked as they grow frustrated at what even dopes like them eventually start to figure out, and when the performance seems to be coming apart some bullshit pretex for 'outrage' from the NK regime is fabricated, they grow more militant and obstinant which scares the lefties into begging them for renewed negotiations - the process of organizing stretches out over months or years, and the whole cycle of deception, appeasement, and stupidity eventually starts again. Can't blame the evil fuckers for pulling the same shit over and over since it keeps working on idiots like you and equally willing dupes in the governments of various countries.

It's just a bunch of fucking rice. We send them a shipload of the shit and see what happens. Best case........starving people get fed, NK allows access to nukes

Worst case.....they fuck us over and we stop sending them rice.

Worst case.....they fuck us over and we stop sending them rice, and they keep starving the civilian to death.

or don't you care?

So, worst case, we end up where we are now

 

[Two Thumbs]

It's just a bunch of fucking rice. We send them a shipload of the shit and see what happens. Best case........starving people get fed, NK allows access to nukes

Worst case.....they fuck us over and we stop sending them rice.

Worst case.....they fuck us over and we stop sending them rice, and they keep starving the civilian to death.

or don't you care?

So, worst case, we end up where we are now

Plus deeper in debt.

fyi; 500 million tons of food, cost a LOT.

We can achieve the same result by giving them nothing.

 

[Peach]

Worst case.....they fuck us over and we stop sending them rice, and they keep starving the civilian to death.

or don't you care?

So, worst case, we end up where we are now

Plus deeper in debt.

fyi; 500 million tons of food, cost a LOT.

We can achieve the same result by giving them nothing.

Or spend a few TRILLION trying to invade.

 

[Two Thumbs]

So, worst case, we end up where we are now

Plus deeper in debt.

fyi; 500 million tons of food, cost a LOT.

We can achieve the same result by giving them nothing.

Or spend a few TRILLION trying to invade.

Why?

NK is not our issue. we are under no obligation to be great humanitarians to the rest of the world.

NK and China are allies, if China won't send aid...

 

[rightwinger]

Worst case.....they fuck us over and we stop sending them rice, and they keep starving the civilian to death.

or don't you care?

So, worst case, we end up where we are now

Plus deeper in debt.

fyi; 500 million tons of food, cost a LOT.

We can achieve the same result by giving them nothing.

Well, we got a new sheriff in town

Worst case, we are out some rice
Best case, The Korean peninsula is less of a threat

Doing nothing makes N Korea more desperate and more willing to do stupid things

 

[georgephillip]

My choice is US General Reed Hodge who arrived in Korea a month after defeated Japanese forces had formally turned over authority in Korea to the Committee for the Preparation of Korean Independence, led by Lyuh Woon-hyung which proclaimed the Korean People's Republic.

Hodge ordered all Japanese officials to remain at their posts, refused to recognize Lyuh a national leader and eventually banned all public reference to the KPR. Nationalists rose in opposition all across Korea, and the formal division of a united peninsula was soon to follow.

 

[Two Thumbs]

So, worst case, we end up where we are now

Plus deeper in debt.

fyi; 500 million tons of food, cost a LOT.

We can achieve the same result by giving them nothing.

Well, we got a new sheriff in town

Worst case, we are out some rice
Best case, The Korean peninsula is less of a threat

Doing nothing makes N Korea more desperate and more willing to do stupid things

Aside from fucking with Japan over water rights, they have only talked smack.

and that rice?

Average Cost of Rice in 2011

In 2011, the prices of rice in the wholesale and retail markets are 10.71 cents and $1.21 per pound respectively.

That's $50 million just to buy it. Factor in the cost of shipping, factor in the human suffering, since the civilians won't get any, and that = don't give them anything since we know they are lying.

fyi; they use plutonium on their nukes, so the promise of not upgrading uranium

edit for my math fail.

It would cost us $50 million plus to send just rice if it was 500 million POUNDS. for tons it's X 2000

or

$100 BILLION dollars.

 

[Unkotare]

So what are they giving up? They'd are suspending nuclear weapons tests and uranium enrichment and allowing weapons inspectors

What are we giving up? Some rice


Where do we lose?

Apparently you lefty dupes lose your minds over your adoration of all things obama. They've been pulling this shit for decades, you fucking idiot. It's always the same old song and dance. UN 'inspectors' are taken on a few staged trips to see uber-grateful peasants praise Kim while eating heartily, the 'suspended' nuclear program goes on unabated at locations X,Y,Z while a big show is made of stopping work at location A (or for even greater effect, an unused or redundant facility is destroyed), the NK military gets larger rations for a while, the Kims further enhance their own positions, inspectors are put off, stalled, double-talked as they grow frustrated at what even dopes like them eventually start to figure out, and when the performance seems to be coming apart some bullshit pretex for 'outrage' from the NK regime is fabricated, they grow more militant and obstinant which scares the lefties into begging them for renewed negotiations - the process of organizing stretches out over months or years, and the whole cycle of deception, appeasement, and stupidity eventually starts again. Can't blame the evil fuckers for pulling the same shit over and over since it keeps working on idiots like you and equally willing dupes in the governments of various countries.

It's just a bunch of fucking rice. We send them a shipload of the shit and see what happens. Best case........starving people get fed, NK allows access to nukes

Worst case.....they fuck us over and we stop sending them rice.

No, you idiot, it is not "just a bunch of fucking rice." Until you understand enough to figure that one out you will remain nothing but another useful idiot for an evil, murderous regime.

And no one gets "access" to anything the regime doesn't want them to as part of the performance, fool.

And starving people don't get fed, you fucking fool. The people continue to starve to death while the military gets extra food and the evil scum at the top of that pile of shit of a country continue to gorge themselves on gormet food and the most expensive drinks.

And through your willful participation in the whole charade, YOU are responsible for all of the above. Congratulations, you fucking scumbag.

 

[Unkotare]

It's just a bunch of fucking rice. We send them a shipload of the shit and see what happens. Best case........starving people get fed, NK allows access to nukes

Worst case.....they fuck us over and we stop sending them rice.

Worst case.....they fuck us over and we stop sending them rice, and they keep starving the civilian to death.

or don't you care?

So, worst case, we end up where we are now

Wrong again, you fucking idiot.

 

[Unkotare]

Plus deeper in debt.

fyi; 500 million tons of food, cost a LOT.

We can achieve the same result by giving them nothing.

Or spend a few TRILLION trying to invade.

Why?

NK is not our issue. we are under no obligation to be great humanitarians to the rest of the world.

NK and China are allies, if China won't send aid...

China does send aid. They've been involved in this game for a long time as well.

 

[saveliberty]

North Korea must need something, we should wait a year before responding.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Or spend a few TRILLION trying to invade.

Why?

NK is not our issue. we are under no obligation to be great humanitarians to the rest of the world.

NK and China are allies, if China won't send aid...

China does send aid. They've been involved in this game for a long time as well.

Clearly not enough or NK wouldn't need 500 million tons of food

 

[Two Thumbs]

Plus deeper in debt.

fyi; 500 million tons of food, cost a LOT.

We can achieve the same result by giving them nothing.

Well, we got a new sheriff in town

Worst case, we are out some rice
Best case, The Korean peninsula is less of a threat

Doing nothing makes N Korea more desperate and more willing to do stupid things

Aside from fucking with Japan over water rights, they have only talked smack.

and that rice?

Average Cost of Rice in 2011

In 2011, the prices of rice in the wholesale and retail markets are 10.71 cents and $1.21 per pound respectively.

That's $50 million just to buy it. Factor in the cost of shipping, factor in the human suffering, since the civilians won't get any, and that = don't give them anything since we know they are lying.

fyi; they use plutonium on their nukes, so the promise of not upgrading uranium

edit for my math fail.

It would cost us $50 million plus to send just rice if it was 500 million POUNDS. for tons it's X 2000

or

$100 BILLION dollars.

edited for word problem math fail.

 

[Unkotare]

Why?

NK is not our issue. we are under no obligation to be great humanitarians to the rest of the world.

NK and China are allies, if China won't send aid...

China does send aid. They've been involved in this game for a long time as well.

Clearly not enough or NK wouldn't need 500 million tons of food

China is, and for a long time has been, NK's largest source of food and fuel aid.

 

[Two Thumbs]

China does send aid. They've been involved in this game for a long time as well.

Clearly not enough or NK wouldn't need 500 million tons of food

China is, and for a long time has been, NK's largest source of food and fuel aid.

then it's clear, that the people that know NK the best want them dead or they would be humanitarian and help out the starving civilians.

 

[Unkotare]

Not sure what you mean there

 

[rightwinger]

Worst case.....they fuck us over and we stop sending them rice, and they keep starving the civilian to death.

or don't you care?

So, worst case, we end up where we are now

Wrong again, you fucking idiot.

Ok....on reading through the thread, I have to admit you are right. Sending North Koreans food is a bad idea. It will only make them dependent and unwilling to work. Before you know it they will want cell phones and fancy cars.

We should use North Korea as a test model for our own entitlement programs. Let them starve for a while and watch that ole work ethic kick in