North Dakota school board takes away pledge of allegiance

[Paleman]

Whatever. I'm for it in schools every morning but for a meeting? It's nothing earth shattering.

Like I said, it only means something to the Patriotic lovers of this country who don't miss the chance to celebrate it.

 

[initforme]

You might be the only person all that upset by it.

 

[Paleman]

You might be the only person all that upset by it.

Doubt it. The left has not gotten us to the point where I am the only Patriot left. Not yet anyway.

 

[Resnic]

Better idea-----Fire every one of these idiotic, brain-dead, country hating jerks immediately.

I'd be ok with that.

There is nothing wrong with teaching children to love, or at the very least respect their country. It's just like you raise kids to respect their parents, to follow the family rules, do whats expected of you in the home and do your share, to have a sense of pride in their home and be grateful to their parents for providing it.

Same thing goes for the country. If you don't teach kids to respect something they won't. If you don't teach them rules they won't follow them. And so on.

If you live in America and don't at the very least respect it, respect it's society, respect it's rules and aren't contributing to it then you should be forced to get out.

If America was made up of people who actually loved the country, respected it, had common decency for other Americans and so on America would be a great place. When you respect something you take care of it, you stick up for it and you protect it.

I hate to use the tired of phrase of "if you don't like America then get out" but it's perfectly worded.

And if you don't like America and don't get out, you should be tossed out.

 

[initforme]

I'd be ok with that.

There is nothing wrong with teaching children to love, or at the very least respect their country. It's just like you raise kids to respect their parents, to follow the family rules, do whats expected of you in the home and do your share, to have a sense of pride in their home and be grateful to their parents for providing it.

Same thing goes for the country. If you don't teach kids to respect something they won't. If you don't teach them rules they won't follow them. And so on.

If you live in America and don't at the very least respect it, respect it's society, respect it's rules and aren't contributing to it then you should be forced to get out.

If America was made up of people who actually loved the country, respected it, had common decency for other Americans and so on America would be a great place. When you respect something you take care of it, you stick up for it and you protect it.

I hate to use the tired of phrase of "if you don't like America then get out" but it's perfectly worded.

And if you don't like America and don't get out, you should be tossed out.

america is a great place. It's as great today as it has always been. We have the world's hardest working most productive workforce and no nation even comes close.

 

[Paleman]

I'd be ok with that.

There is nothing wrong with teaching children to love, or at the very least respect their country. It's just like you raise kids to respect their parents, to follow the family rules, do whats expected of you in the home and do your share, to have a sense of pride in their home and be grateful to their parents for providing it.

Same thing goes for the country. If you don't teach kids to respect something they won't. If you don't teach them rules they won't follow them. And so on.

If you live in America and don't at the very least respect it, respect it's society, respect it's rules and aren't contributing to it then you should be forced to get out.

If America was made up of people who actually loved the country, respected it, had common decency for other Americans and so on America would be a great place. When you respect something you take care of it, you stick up for it and you protect it.

I hate to use the tired of phrase of "if you don't like America then get out" but it's perfectly worded.

And if you don't like America and don't get out, you should be tossed out.

When I am reincarnated, I want to be just like you. You are my vision of a patriot and with you, we still have a chance.

 

[Paleman]

Whatever. I'm for it in schools every morning but for a meeting? It's nothing earth shattering.

You keep repeating yourself to no avail.

 

[citygator]

This is an interesting issue. National pride is definitely a positive goal. I don’t think the pledge does anything for it though. I said it as a kid but it had no meaning. It was like saying grace before dinner. We did it so fast to check the box. Seems unnecessary. I like the national anthem playing at events though. I think about the meaning more.

 

[Paleman]

This is an interesting issue. National pride is definitely a positive goal. I don’t think the pledge does anything for it though. I said it as a kid but it had no meaning. It was like saying grace before dinner. We did it so fast to check the box. Seems unnecessary. I like the national anthem playing at events though. I think about the meaning more.

The problem with that viewpoint is you're embracing the slippery slope theory and playing right into the hands of the Progressive Liberals. Down the road, the anthem, like the pledge, will also have no meaning and will not be played.

 

[citygator]

The problem with that viewpoint is you're embracing the slippery slope theory and playing right into the hands of the Progressive Liberals. Down the road, the anthem, like the pledge, will also have no meaning and will not be played.

How is that a liberal point of view? I grew up on a military base with a Naval pilot father, a mom from the deep deep south and went to a school full of military kids. No one thinks about patriotism in school during the pledge recital. Hell... sometimes we'd just see how fast we could say it. Slippery slope is lazy. My dog has cancer so we are gonna put the dog down but that doesnt mean Im going to put my wife down if she gets cancer.

I am just for meaningful engagement. I'd prefer a service element of school perhaps - not necessarily military but show what it means to be an American and how we care for other Americans just because they are Americans. Going to Blue Angels made me feel patriotic too. But not the pledge.

 

[Paleman]

How is that a liberal point of view? I grew up on a military base with a Naval pilot father, a mom from the deep deep south and went to a school full of military kids. No one thinks about patriotism in school during the pledge recital. Hell... sometimes we'd just see how fast we could say it. Slippery slope is lazy. My dog has cancer so we are gonna put the dog down but that doesnt mean Im going to put my wife down if she gets cancer.

I am just for meaningful engagement. I'd prefer a service element of school perhaps - not necessarily military but show what it means to be an American and how we care for other Americans just because they are Americans. Going to Blue Angels made me feel patriotic too. But not the pledge.

First, I did not accuse you of being Liberal. I just pointed out that your view on the Pledge is shared by many Liberals. Think of this------You have a kid that won't brush his teeth. If not corrected, he most likely will not brush when an adult----Learned behavior.
Kids that don't recite the pledge in early life surely will not do so as adults.-----Learned behavior.

 

[citygator]

First, I did not accuse you of being Liberal. I just pointed out that your view on the Pledge is shared by many Liberals. Think of this------You have a kid that won't brush his teeth. If not corrected, he most likely will not brush when an adult----Learned behavior.
Kids that don't recite the pledge in early life surely will not do so as adults.-----Learned behavior.

I am liberal... just saying I wasnt when I shirked my responsibility to say the pledge. When was the last time, as an adult, you said the pledge? I cant ever remember sayin it. Lord's prayer is like that too... just a thing to say. Not saying all prayer but the recital of the LP is.

 

[Paleman]

I am liberal... just saying I wasnt when I shirked my responsibility to say the pledge. When was the last time, as an adult, you said the pledge? I cant ever remember sayin it. Lord's prayer is like that too... just a thing to say. Not saying all prayer but the recital of the LP is.

If you truly love your country, why do you object to honoring it at every opportunity? Sir, I live in a 55 plus retirement community. I play softball 4 days a week and the pledge is recited before the games. Our HOA has regular meetings and again the pledge is recited. Unlike some, I never shirked the opportunity to honor my country, and I also have the flag inked on my body and visible to all. God bless America. The woke amongst us can go to hell.

 

[Circe]

Better idea-----Fire every one of these idiotic, brain-dead, country hating jerks immediately.

Yeah, that!

 

[Circe]

america is a great place. It's as great today as it has always been. We have the world's hardest working most productive workforce and no nation even comes close.

True, but it's plainly busting up, now.

Nothing lasts.

 

[citygator]

If you truly love your country, why do you object to honoring it at every opportunity? Sir, I live in a 55 plus retirement community. I play softball 4 days a week and the pledge is recited before the games. Our HOA has regular meetings and again the pledge is recited. Unlike some, I never shirked the opportunity to honor my country, and I also have the flag inked on my body and visible to all. God bless America. The woke amongst us can go to hell.

Weird. Why is a discussion on how to best instill patriotism shaking you? I simply don’t think the pledge is delivering on its intent. I’m fine with promoting patriotism. We are a proud country. Pledge is lame.

Yea. I’m sure in school you dutifully recited it everyday with thoughts of meaning. Bullshit.

 

[citygator]

america is a great place. It's as great today as it has always been. We have the world's hardest working most productive workforce and no nation even comes close.

Agree.

 

[Paleman]

Weird. Why is a discussion on how to best instill patriotism shaking you? I simply don’t think the pledge is delivering on its intent. I’m fine with promoting patriotism. We are a proud country. Pledge is lame.

Yea. I’m sure in school you dutifully recited it everyday with thoughts of meaning. Bullshit.

Ok, you win. I fully understand now that the Pledge and its verbiage means nothing to you.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Who Created the Pledge of Allegiance? | HISTORY

The Pledge of Allegiance has been used in the United States for over 100 years, yet the 31-word oath recited today differs significantly from the original draft. The idea of a verbal vow to the American flag first gained traction in 1885, when a Civil War veteran named Colonel George Balch...

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Here is the history of the pledge

Very interesting

The Pledge of Allegiance has been used in the United States for over 100 years, yet the 31-word oath recited today differs significantly from the original draft. The idea of a verbal vow to the American flag first gained traction in 1885, when a Civil War veteran named Colonel George Balch devised a version that read, “We give our heads and our hearts to God and our country; one country, one language, one flag.”

Several schools adopted Balch’s pledge, but it was soon supplanted by a salute composed by Francis Bellamy, a Christian socialist and former Baptist minister. In 1892, while working for a magazine called “Youth’s Companion,” Bellamy was enlisted to write a new pledge for use in patriotic celebrations surrounding the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus’s arrival in the New World. After puzzling over the project—he initially considered incorporating the French Revolution motto “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity”—he penned an oath that read, “I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

The Bellamy pledge gained popularity in public schools during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, but it continued to undergo occasional tweaks and revisions. In 1923 and 1924, the National Flag Conference changed the wording to read, “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.” In 1942, meanwhile, Congress officially adopted the pledge and decreed that it should be recited while holding the right hand over the heart. Before then, the pledge had included a so-called “Bellamy salute”—extending the right arm toward the flag with the hand outstretched—but with the rise of fascism in Europe, many had noted that the gesture too closely resembled a Nazi salute.

A final revision to the national oath came in 1954 during the Cold War. In response to lobbying by religious groups and fraternal organizations—and with the support of President Dwight D. Eisenhower—Congress passed a new bill that added the words “under God.” Despite occasional legal challenges from students and secular groups, the text of the Pledge of Allegiance has remained unchanged ever since.

It is very interesting how a socialist wanted children to pledge allegiance to the state.

These same socialists, however, now want God out of it cuz they are their real god anyway.

Eisenhower added the words "under God" to differentiate us from the godless, Communist Russians. Today, the Russians are Christian and we are the godless communists.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

To those that do not understand the Pledge of Allegiance, an explanation.