Zone1 No Wonder Why I Had Doubts In God's Existence Before

[Ropey]

Communists and socialists have killed more than any who fight for religious reasons and the atheists had no problem murdering their own people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/

20,946,000 Victims: Nazi Germany - 1933 To 1945

NAZI GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

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Godlessness is the factor.

 

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I know a few Ayatollahs and rabbis that might disagree.

Weren't they already established by then?

 

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At the beginning of Islam, conquered pagans were give a choice, convert or die. The Spanish conquest of South America was pretty much the same.

Sounds like imperialism to me.

 

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It's what men often do for God in the name of religion.

So you blame God and religion and not men?

So you wouldn't have a problem blaming atheism for the 200 million murdered in the 20th century? Instead of the men?

 

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It's like looking at a whole bunch of people waiting to be taken up into the sky.

Terrifying.

Some of us see it as a journey here and now. It wasn't called "the way" for nothing.

 

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1) Christians. Speaking for that poster.

2) It seems to me the more secular/irreligious countries do better in general in quality of life and happiness rankings.

List of countries by irreligion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Are you happy?

 

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Absolutely. Mass insanity is like that.

Do you believe I am insane?

 

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The religious whack-jobs as a whole.

In terms of behaviors it's kind of hard to tell them apart from the atheist whack jobs. Who said you don't have a religion?

 

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Yes

Are you happy?

 

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Much better than someone who is delusional enough to believe that there is life after you die.

How do you know?

 

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Impossible. Don't have one.

You can always spot a religious adherent by how they attack rival religions. Happens here everyday.

 

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Nope. It's feel good nonsense to keep people in line.

How does that keep me in line?

 

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Interesting turn of phrase. Like you're at a buffet and get to choose your favorite dish.

Isn't that how life is in general?

 

[alang1216]

Weren't they already established by then?

No. Iran under the Shah was a secular country. Israel began as a country for Jews, before that is was a British Mandate.

 

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But the mind is the only part of you that can think.

The heart is nothing but a pump.

If your mind deceives you you are deceiving yourself because there is no one else in there with you.

The Abrahamic religions are steeped in dualism. The body and soul, Heaven and earth, God and the universe, body and mind

All are considered separate and distinct things but they really aren't.

Our being is greater than the sum of our parts.

 

[alang1216]

Isn't that how life is in general?

Life maybe, truth not so much.

 

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All that can be done without gods

True but without faith the best one can hope for during the storms of life is to suffer without complaint.

 

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Life maybe, truth not so much.

It depends on if you are speaking about perception of truth or objective truth. I submit that for most people that's a smorgasbord too for most of the time.

 

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No one knows. But the religious like to pretend they do.

How do you know it's not faith that makes that manifest?

 

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Gods don't do anything and are not family or friend since they never actually interact with you

I believe God provides reality to every place at all times. That's not nothing.