No Wonder These Guys Are Getting Smoked…

[Vastator]

Attached is a video that purportedly shows DPR forces being trained for frontline service. It’s well worth a watch. There’s really a lot to take in. From the rag-tag kit these guys are outfitted with. (Did these guys raid an air soft store?) To the numerous weapons malfunctions. Bad ammo? Shit rifles? And the rather unorthodox manner of clearing said malfunctions. These guys repeatedly pop up like a “Whackamole” in a fire fight exposing themselves, to stomp on the charging handle to clear their weapon… flagging their teammates… The list goes on. I’ve watched it three times, and each time I see something new, and egregious.

If this is the level of training, and equipment the DPR is throwing at the West… They’re fucked.

 

[Godboy]

Russia has always preferred quantity over quality. There has never been a time in their history when that wasnt the case. The only thing of quality that Russia ever made was the AK-47. I assume it was an accident or something. Even a broken watch is right twice per day.

 

[Vastator]

Russia has always preferred quantity over quality. There has never been a time in their history when that wasnt the case. The only thing of quality that Russia ever made was the AK-47. I assume it was an accident or something. Even a broken watch is right twice per day.

Even the “fabled” AK suffers malfunctions. Which is on display here, but at a higher frequency than I’ve ever seen.

 

[1srelluc]

Russia has always preferred quantity over quality. There has never been a time in their history when that wasnt the case. The only thing of quality that Russia ever made was the AK-47. I assume it was an accident or something. Even a broken watch is right twice per day.

Don't forget the Mosin-Nagant rifle, crude but it did the job....So well in fact that the Finns built upon them and the Chi-Coms cloned millions of the M44 carbines as the Type-53.

Then there was the TT-33 pistol and the PPSh-41 and PPS-43 sub-guns. All excellent performers in harsh conditions.

What got me was their rucksacks.....Basically a canvass sack with a set of straps and a pocket. I know they were still using them into the Afghan war.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

T34 tank was decent

 

[fncceo]

The secret to beating The Russians is ... Patrick Swayze and the cast from a John Hughes movie.

 

[Manonthestreet]

The secret to beating The Russians is ... Patrick Swayze and the cast from a John Hughes movie.

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He's dead Jim

 

[DudleySmith]

Ridiculous movie, but I watch it when it makes the rounds on local TV anyway.

 

[whitehall]

Propaganda vids are a dime a dozen. Back in the 30's Americans thought Japanese soldiers were a little nearsighted race incapable of building a ship that would float or a plane that would fly. It was good enough for FDR to get us into a war in the Pacific.

 

[Mushroom]

Propaganda vids are a dime a dozen. Back in the 30's Americans thought Japanese soldiers were a little nearsighted race incapable of building a ship that would float or a plane that would fly. It was good enough for FDR to get us into a war in the Pacific.

It does not matter what "Americans" thought. The government took the threat much more seriously.

That is why they developed an entire war plan just for fighting the Japanese.

 

[AZrailwhale]

It does not matter what "Americans" thought. The government took the threat much more seriously.

That is why they developed an entire war plan just for fighting the Japanese.

The “Rainbow Plans” were for fighting every nation on earth.

 

[whitehall]

It does not matter what "Americans" thought. The government took the threat much more seriously.

That is why they developed an entire war plan just for fighting the Japanese.

There was no national intelligence network in the 30's. Congress was as blind as anyone else. FDR might have known better but he was desperate to get into the "real war" in Europe. The ironic thing is that our intelligence networks today have become the propaganda arm of the democrat party and the intent is to portray the Russians as being weak in order to promote acceptance of a U.S. military presence in Ukraine.

 

[Mushroom]

The “Rainbow Plans” were for fighting every nation on earth.

I am aware of that. It was not one plan, but a series of plans.

And they got the name because they used different colors for each potential enemy.

Green was for a possible US-Mexico war.

Grey and Purple were for various levels of conflict in Latin America and the Caribbean.

Black was for another war with Germany.

White was for a domestic war.

Brown was for a conflict in the Philippines.

Red was for a war against the UK. With other plans for Canada (Crimson), Emerald (Ireland), and Australia (Scarlet).

Yellow was for a war in China.

Gold was for France and her colonies.

And War Plan Orange was for a war against Japan. The earliest draft was made as early as 1923, a huge chunk of it based on Operational Plan 712 in 1921 by Marine Major Earl Ellis. And if anybody wants to read his actual writings, it is not hard.

HyperWar: Advanced Base Operations in Micronesia

'Advanced Base Operations in Micronesia' -- the seminal study by Major Earl H. Ellis

www.ibiblio.org

Remember, this was first published in 1921. It predicted tactics and equipment that did not even exist yet, talked about Japans history of conducting attacks as they declare war, and expected a major target would be Hawaii and the Philippines. And that to take the war against them an "island hopping" campaign would have to be conducted pushing farther West each time. And that was in 1921. And hw wrote many articles in the "Marine Corps Gazette", the professional magazine for Navy and Marine Officers (equivalent of "Leatherneck" for enlisted, and "Proceedings" for Naval Officers) warning that Japan was the biggest threat in the Pacific for the US.

I first read a lot of his earlier works back in 1986 when I had to do a large report and picked him as the subject.

Most of Rainbow came from the drafts Major Ellis made regarding future war in the Pacific against Japan. And when war broke out, the Navy and Marines followed War Plan Orange because they had been refining it for over 20 years by that point.

He was already recognized even then for his ability to plan operations, and also to lead them. Not many Captains and Majors win the Distinguished Service Cross, Navy Cross, Silver Star, and French Croix he Guerre with Gold Star all within a six months. But many now attribute him as acquiring PTSD in Europe (particularly after the Muse-Argonne Offensive) with his drinking problem, which is what most believe ultimately killed him.

 

[Mushroom]

There was no national intelligence network in the 30's.

That is not the same as saying there was no Intelligence Network.

Some of the most extensive were the ones by the Army and Navy. Each had their own, that specifically analyzed the threats, potentials, and equipment of foreign adversaries. The CIA did not "make" anything. It simply became a central organization to take all of those various sources and compile them together. And notice, I have been talking quite a lot about the US Military Observers. Those were official diplomatic personnel, that reported both to their home branches, as well as the State Department as they were literally "open spies" that served at the embassies.

Not unlike Admiral Yamamoto who served as such for the Japanese while in the US.

 

[whitehall]

That is not the same as saying there was no Intelligence Network.

Some of the most extensive were the ones by the Army and Navy. Each had their own, that specifically analyzed the threats, potentials, and equipment of foreign adversaries. The CIA did not "make" anything. It simply became a central organization to take all of those various sources and compile them together. And notice, I have been talking quite a lot about the US Military Observers. Those were official diplomatic personnel, that reported both to their home branches, as well as the State Department as they were literally "open spies" that served at the embassies.

Not unlike Admiral Yamamoto who served as such for the Japanese while in the US.

After the Pearl Harbor attack the Brits that visited the FDR administration were shocked to learn that there was no foreign intelligence network. The FDR administration seemed to rely on rumors and racial stereotypes to judge the Japanese military. The Supreme Court had to deal with the situation and decided that Hoover's G-Men would be the lead agency in espionage and counter espionage even though they had zero experience in the arena.

 

[Mushroom]

After the Pearl Harbor attack the Brits that visited the FDR administration were shocked to learn that there was no foreign intelligence network. The FDR administration seemed to rely on rumors and racial stereotypes to judge the Japanese military.

Any kind of reference to back that up?

Wait, what am I saying. Of course you have nothing to back it up. You simply make up everything you say, and expect everybody to believe it.

You must be a huge believer of Stalin's Big Lie theory. Repeat a lie often and long enough, and others will believe it.

 

[whitehall]

Any kind of reference to back that up?

Wait, what am I saying. Of course you have nothing to back it up. You simply make up everything you say, and expect everybody to believe it.

You must be a huge believer of Stalin's Big Lie theory. Repeat a lie often and long enough, and others will believe it.

Any kind of reference to back that up?

Wait, what am I saying. Of course you have nothing to back it up. You simply make up everything you say, and expect everybody to believe it.

You must be a huge believer of Stalin's Big Lie theory. Repeat a lie often and long enough, and others will believe it.

Lack of reference? That's an ironic statement from Americans who are victims of an intentional lack of reference from the media and the federal education system. The truth is out there.

 

[Mushroom]

Lack of reference? That's an ironic statement from Americans who are victims of an intentional lack of reference from the media and the federal education system. The truth is out there.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Any kind of reference to back that up?

Wait, what am I saying. Of course you have nothing to back it up. You simply make up everything you say, and expect everybody to believe it.

You must be a huge believer of Stalin's Big Lie theory. Repeat a lie often and long enough, and others will believe it.

There was no combined intelligence service. The Army had its, the Navy had its, Foggy Bottom had its and none of them talked to any of the others. In fact Army and Navy intelligence only got along a little better than the IJA and IJN who were nearly at war with each other.

 

[Mushroom]

There was no combined intelligence service. The Army had its, the Navy had its, Foggy Bottom had its and none of them talked to any of the others. In fact Army and Navy intelligence only got along a little better than the IJA and IJN who were nearly at war with each other.

Which is pretty much what I just said.

And yes, the main services did not talk to the State Department. Unless those individuals were in place through an embassy as an "official spy". Then their reports went to both State and their home branch.

But that is not the same thing like White is claiming, that they had no intelligence assets or organizations at all.

And I find the idea that FDR knew nothing about Japan to be almost laughable, as he was still Assistant Secretary of the Navy when the first drafts of what would become "War Plan Orange" were being written. And in 1937 he started sending aid and supplies to China when the Second Sino-Japanese war started. Which led to embargos against Japan culminating in 1941 when Japan invaded French Indochina. His claims are without any merit, and show that the Government was watching very closely what was going on in that area of the world.