No Stupid Teachers?

[jbrownson0831]

This article is behind a pay wall. I have no idea what it says.

The article does mention it was NY and they did away with the test in 2017. That's all I got from the article.

In the state of Florida, I was given a temporary teaching certificate good for two years based on my college degree and actual work experience. In order to get my regular teaching certificate, I had to have 30 hours of education coursework including specific classes in instruction of the topics I was seeking certification in.

I had to take and pass a College Level Academic Skills Test (CLAST) which was required for most freshman college students because I attended college in Alabama. I also took certification exams in mathematics and social studies. I believe the CLAST was dropped some years later because everyone passed it, so it was unnecessary.

Once completed, along with all of my coursework, I received a permanent certificate good for 3 years.

My certification exams were the toughest tests in my life save my warfare qualification test given to get my SWO pin. I was being tested on knowledge that was in some cases learned 20 years before in high school. Good thing I had a sharp memory.

I also had to pass the test to get qualified SWO, as well as my engineering qualifications to become an EOOW when at sea. Both were extremely thorough and difficult.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Teachers in This Blue State Will No Longer Need to Pass a Reading, Math Certification

townhall.com

I seriously don't get this. States don't require that prospective teachers pass a basic competency test in the three R's.

If you need more math and science teachers,it seems to me that the best way to get them is to recruit engineers, accountants, scientists, etc. Give them the ability to make a mid-career change to teaching by PAYING them to train for a semester or so, and bringing them in at a higher place on the pay scale.

Wouldn't that be better than hiring people of marginal intelligence?

Then you would have to pay them. In case you haven't noticed, red states aren't into education any more.

 

[Mac-7]

That was seven years ago. Apparently the testing was too rough on minorities, to which I say, "Oh, well! It sucks to be you! Try harder."

Did you notice this was the state and not the Education Department?

A more conservative state than the raging libs in New York might not have dropped the test

But I guessing that black and hispanic public teachers in other states would do no better on the test

So its not a good look for two of liberals favorite pet minorities

 

[Unkotare]

... If it's English, only teach English grammar. ...

"Only" grammar? Doesn't work that way.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

A more conservative state than the raging libs in New York might not have dropped the test

But I guessing that black and hispanic public teachers in other states would do no better on the test

So its not a good look for two of liberals favorite pet minorities

If you don't live in NY, what business is it of yours? Do want the Education Department to tell them not to do this? I thought you hated the federal involvement in education.

 

[Mac-7]

If you don't live in NY, what business is it of yours? Do want the Education Department to tell them not to do this? I thought you hated the federal involvement in education.

Now you are being hysterical

No one including me has suggested a remedy for dumb minority public teachers in New York

I wish there was a simple answer

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Now you are being hysterical

No one including me has suggested a remedy for dumb minority public teachers in New York

I wish there was a simple answer

You just didn't realize that the Education Department was created to address exactly those type of issues!

 

[SweetSue92]

Teachers in This Blue State Will No Longer Need to Pass a Reading, Math Certification

townhall.com

I seriously don't get this. States don't require that prospective teachers pass a basic competency test in the three R's.

If you need more math and science teachers,it seems to me that the best way to get them is to recruit engineers, accountants, scientists, etc. Give them the ability to make a mid-career change to teaching by PAYING them to train for a semester or so, and bringing them in at a higher place on the pay scale.

Wouldn't that be better than hiring people of marginal intelligence?

You start these threads talking big and then when I tell you the reality you scuttle away.

Tell us

How are you going to recruit these engineers, accountants and scientists to teach in AMERICAN HIGH SCHOOLS

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

If a teacher could not pass the test, they will not survive

Grammatical Innumeracy

This thread is disqualified because posters are parroting the Postmodern grammar by using "they" with a singular antecedent. Why didn't you use, "Teachers who could not pass the test will not survive..."?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Always this.

My kid had a very bad teacher +

All teachers are groomers =

HEY WHY ARE ALL THE TEACHERS QUITTING

Unauthorized Authoritarianism

It's because Rightists always want to blame large groups instead of the leaders who force those groups to conform to whatever our toxic ruling class imposes on students.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Only grammar?

Dump literature, which is a specialized study that should not be used in any course named after language study, even in college.

Americans are so defective in language skills that they should continue the same spelling, etc., that they took in elementary school all the way through high school. We don't need nerds pontificating about the novels that only appeal to their own ilk.

 

[Unkotare]

Dump literature, which is a specialized study that should not be used in any course named after language study, even in college.

Americans are so defective in language skills that they should continue the same spelling, etc., that they took in elementary school all the way through high school. We don't need nerds pontificating about the novels that only appeal to their own ilk.

That is truly stupid.

 

[SweetSue92]

Teachers in This Blue State Will No Longer Need to Pass a Reading, Math Certification

townhall.com

I seriously don't get this. States don't require that prospective teachers pass a basic competency test in the three R's.

If you need more math and science teachers,it seems to me that the best way to get them is to recruit engineers, accountants, scientists, etc. Give them the ability to make a mid-career change to teaching by PAYING them to train for a semester or so, and bringing them in at a higher place on the pay scale.

Wouldn't that be better than hiring people of marginal intelligence?

Hey DGS49 come back and tell us specifically how you're going to recruit "Engineers, accountants, scientists" to take TEACHER PAY and TEACHER WORK and come out of the jobs they have.

Explain to them that they must teach subjects to teenagers who largely do not care and do not want to be there. Start there.

What happened, cat got your tongue?

 

[Moonglow]

Teachers in This Blue State Will No Longer Need to Pass a Reading, Math Certification

townhall.com

I seriously don't get this. States don't require that prospective teachers pass a basic competency test in the three R's.

If you need more math and science teachers,it seems to me that the best way to get them is to recruit engineers, accountants, scientists, etc. Give them the ability to make a mid-career change to teaching by PAYING them to train for a semester or so, and bringing them in at a higher place on the pay scale.

Wouldn't that be better than hiring people of marginal intelligence?

The three Rs is a poor way to say anything since arithmetic starts with and A.

 

[SweetSue92]

The three Rs is a poor way to say anything since arithmetic starts with and A.

I'm waiting for him to come back here and tell us how he's going to recruit engineers, scientists and accountants out of their six-figure jobs to teach in American public (or even private) schools.

People flap their gums about this nonsense and when you try to pin them down, you can almost HEAR them think, "Yeah, oh crap, who would do that?"

 

[Manonthestreet]

Teachers Will No Longer Need To Pass Basic <br/>Reading, Writing And Math Test For Certification <br/>In This Blue State

A New Jersey law that removes a requirement for teachers to pass a reading, writing and mathematics test for certification will go into effect on Jan. 1, 2025.

www.lucianne.com

Doubt the Chirren will be learning under this system

 

[Jarlaxle]

This article is behind a pay wall. I have no idea what it says.

No, it's not.

In the state of Florida, I was given a temporary teaching certificate good for two years based on my college degree and actual work experience. In order to get my regular teaching certificate, I had to have 30 hours of education coursework including specific classes in instruction of the topics I was seeking certification in.

I had to take and pass a College Level Academic Skills Test (CLAST) which was required for most freshman college students because I attended college in Alabama. I also took certification exams in mathematics and social studies. I believe the CLAST was dropped some years later because everyone passed it, so it was unnecessary.

Once completed, along with all of my coursework, I received a permanent certificate good for 3 years.

That's an oxymoron. You did not receive a "permanent" anything if it's only good for 3 years.

My certification exams were the toughest tests in my life save my warfare qualification test given to get my SWO pin. I was being tested on knowledge that was in some cases learned 20 years before in high school. Good thing I had a sharp memory.

And yet, there are plenty of barely-competent people who manage to pass.

Thanks! If a teacher could not pass the test, they will not survive as a teacher in any way and will not get their certificate.

In my career, I never met a teacher was not academically qualified to teach, but many with personal and moral flaws that made them get fired.

May your childlike innocence never be shattered.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Grammatical Innumeracy

This thread is disqualified because posters are parroting the Postmodern grammar by using "they" with a singular antecedent. Why didn't you use, "Teachers who could not pass the test will not survive..."?

Unauthorized Authoritarianism

It's because Rightists always want to blame large groups instead of the leaders who force those groups to conform to whatever our toxic ruling class imposes on students.

Dump literature, which is a specialized study that should not be used in any course named after language study, even in college.

Americans are so defective in language skills that they should continue the same spelling, etc., that they took in elementary school all the way through high school. We don't need nerds pontificating about the novels that only appeal to their own ilk.

Are you off your medication again?

That is truly stupid.

Not by his standards. His posts are usually nonsensical gibberish.

 

[braalian]

Dark Blue. Restrictions that I'm referring to are those I want to see placed on all teachers. Come dressed professionally for teaching. Teach only the specified topic of the class. If it's English, only teach English grammar. If it's History, only teach U.S. or World History. Et cetera. Keep your personal life's preferences out of your class. You have to remember that those students are there to learn spelling, reading, writing, grammar, arithmetic, mathematics, history, sciences, and for the higher K-12 grades, the shops (wood, electrical, metal, auto mechanics, et cetera).
Sex education should be optional for the parents to decide and not a mandatory class. Remember....they are NOT your children, only your students. They ARE the parents children.
Children pretend to be lots of things when very young, so don't play into it by straying from the curriculum and going along with their fantasies. Just teach what is required.

child grooming in schools is just a moral-panic absurd conspiracy theory designed to keep the inbred yokels all riled up

 

[SweetSue92]

child grooming in schools is just a moral-panic absurd conspiracy theory designed to keep the inbred yokels all riled up

I have told fellow conservatives time and again how it makes them look no better than unhinged Leftists.

They take a few teachers in Berkeley, CA or Brooklyn NY and extrapolate that to imagine that the 2nd grade teacher in Somewhere, South Dakota teaches Sunday School but goes to work to "groom" the children. Etc.

If they truly believe this they're beyond stupid, but I suspect they're not that stupid. Just disingenuous.