No Stupid Teachers?

[DGS49]

Teachers in This Blue State Will No Longer Need to Pass a Reading, Math Certification

townhall.com

I seriously don't get this. States don't require that prospective teachers pass a basic competency test in the three R's.

If you need more math and science teachers,it seems to me that the best way to get them is to recruit engineers, accountants, scientists, etc. Give them the ability to make a mid-career change to teaching by PAYING them to train for a semester or so, and bringing them in at a higher place on the pay scale.

Wouldn't that be better than hiring people of marginal intelligence?

 

[egp320i]

this would be equal a mechanic that does not know what a wrench is or metric vs SAE

yep avoid that mechanic and avoid teachers who are not smart

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Teachers in This Blue State Will No Longer Need to Pass a Reading, Math Certification

townhall.com

I seriously don't get this. States don't require that prospective teachers pass a basic competency test in the three R's.

If you need more math and science teachers,it seems to me that the best way to get them is to recruit engineers, accountants, scientists, etc. Give them the ability to make a mid-career change to teaching by PAYING them to train for a semester or so, and bringing them in at a higher place on the pay scale.

Wouldn't that be better than hiring people of marginal intelligence?

This article is behind a pay wall. I have no idea what it says.

The article does mention it was NY and they did away with the test in 2017. That's all I got from the article.

In the state of Florida, I was given a temporary teaching certificate good for two years based on my college degree and actual work experience. In order to get my regular teaching certificate, I had to have 30 hours of education coursework including specific classes in instruction of the topics I was seeking certification in.

I had to take and pass a College Level Academic Skills Test (CLAST) which was required for most freshman college students because I attended college in Alabama. I also took certification exams in mathematics and social studies. I believe the CLAST was dropped some years later because everyone passed it, so it was unnecessary.

Once completed, along with all of my coursework, I received a permanent certificate good for 3 years.

My certification exams were the toughest tests in my life save my warfare qualification test given to get my SWO pin. I was being tested on knowledge that was in some cases learned 20 years before in high school. Good thing I had a sharp memory.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

this would be equal a mechanic that does not know what a wrench is or metric vs SAE

yep avoid that mechanic and avoid teachers who are not smart

Do you what they call the person that graduates in the bottom of their medical school class?

Doctor.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

While in Middle-School, my daughter came home with a written assignment from her "English" class. The paper was not one for her to correct grammatical errors on it, but just written instructions from the teacher, given to each student. The instructions were written out so poorly that I was amazed an "English" teacher would have presented it to students. My wife and I approached the vice-principal on the matter about the competency of the English teacher. She informed us that the English teacher was from China and English was her second language, but felt that the teacher was just fine for the school's English class. It was absurd.
That to me was the clear downward trend in our educational system.
Now, we have blue-haired, tattooed, nose-pierced teachers bragging that they will turn the kids against what their parents learned and pushing their personal life's sex preferences in classes that have nothing to do with the subject they are supposed to be teachings.
We have to get rid of the Department of Education, or seriously overhaul its faculty and subject matter restrictions.

 

[excalibur]

This article is behind a pay wall. I have no idea what it says.

The article does mention it was NY and they did away with the test in 2017. That's all I got from the article.

In the state of Florida, I was given a temporary teaching certificate good for two years based on my college degree and actual work experience. In order to get my regular teaching certificate, I had to have 30 hours of education coursework including specific classes in instruction of the topics I was seeking certification in.

I had to take and pass a College Level Academic Skills Test (CLAST) which was required for most freshman college students because I attended college in Alabama. I also took certification exams in mathematics and social studies. I believe the CLAST was dropped some years later because everyone passed it, so it was unnecessary.

Once completed, along with all of my coursework, I received a permanent certificate good for 3 years.

My certification exams were the toughest tests in my life save my warfare qualification test given to get my SWO pin. I was being tested on knowledge that was in some cases learned 20 years before in high school. Good thing I had a sharp memory.

New Jersey.

New Jersey boots basic skills exam requirement for teacher candidates

Advocates of removing certification testing barriers say this will help ease pathways into the teaching profession.

www.k12dive.com

 

[Winco]

Give them the ability to make a mid-career change to teaching by PAYING them to train for a semester or so, and bringing them in at a higher place on the pay scale.

Oh, and YOU would BITCH about any Pay raise for teachers.

 

[Mac-7]

This article is behind a pay wall. I have no idea what it says.

The article does mention it was NY and they did away with the test in 2017. That's all I got from the article.

In the state of Florida, I was given a temporary teaching certificate good for two years based on my college degree and actual work experience. In order to get my regular teaching certificate, I had to have 30 hours of education coursework including specific classes in instruction of the topics I was seeking certification in.

I had to take and pass a College Level Academic Skills Test (CLAST) which was required for most freshman college students because I attended college in Alabama. I also took certification exams in mathematics and social studies. I believe the CLAST was dropped some years later because everyone passed it, so it was unnecessary.

Once completed, along with all of my coursework, I received a permanent certificate good for 3 years.

My certification exams were the toughest tests in my life save my warfare qualification test given to get my SWO pin. I was being tested on knowledge that was in some cases learned 20 years before in high school. Good thing I had a sharp memory.

it says that too many black and hispanic teachers are failing the basic literacy test so its hoing to be dropped

NEW YORK (AP) - New York education officials are poised to scrap a test designed to measure the reading and writing skills of people trying to become teachers, in part because an outsized percentage of black and Hispanic candidates were failing it.

Test meant to screen teachers instead weeded out minorities

NEW YORK (AP) - New York education officials are poised to scrap a test designed to measure the reading and writing skills of people trying to become teachers, in part because an outsized percentage of black and Hispanic candidates were failing it.

www.poughkeepsiejournal.com

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

New Jersey.

New Jersey boots basic skills exam requirement for teacher candidates

Advocates of removing certification testing barriers say this will help ease pathways into the teaching profession.

www.k12dive.com

Thanks! If a teacher could not pass the test, they will not survive as a teacher in any way and will not get their certificate.

In my career, I never met a teacher was not academically qualified to teach, but many with personal and moral flaws that made them get fired.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

it says that too many black and hispanic teachers are failing the basic literacy test so its hoing to be dropped

NEW YORK (AP) - New York education officials are poised to scrap a test designed to measure the reading and writing skills of people trying to become teachers, in part because an outsized percentage of black and Hispanic candidates were failing it.

https://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com...chers-instead-weeded-out-minorities/99050796/

That was seven years ago. Apparently the testing was too rough on minorities, to which I say, "Oh, well! It sucks to be you! Try harder."

Did you notice this was the state and not the Education Department?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

While in Middle-School, my daughter came home with a written assignment from her "English" class. The paper was not one for her to correct grammatical errors on it, but just written instructions from the teacher, given to each student. The instructions were written out so poorly that I was amazed an "English" teacher would have presented it to students. My wife and I approached the vice-principal on the matter about the competency of the English teacher. She informed us that the English teacher was from China and English was her second language, but felt that the teacher was just fine for the school's English class. It was absurd.
That to me was the clear downward trend in our educational system.
Now, we have blue-haired, tattooed, nose-pierced teachers bragging that they will turn the kids against what their parents learned and pushing their personal life's sex preferences in classes that have nothing to do with the subject they are supposed to be teachings.
We have to get rid of the Department of Education, or seriously overhaul its faculty and subject matter restrictions.

Totally unacceptable. Was this in a blue state or city?

Exactly what are those restrictions? I was unaware of any while I was teacher and administrator. Perhaps you could name a few?

 

[Concerned American]

Teachers in This Blue State Will No Longer Need to Pass a Reading, Math Certification

townhall.com

I seriously don't get this. States don't require that prospective teachers pass a basic competency test in the three R's.

If you need more math and science teachers,it seems to me that the best way to get them is to recruit engineers, accountants, scientists, etc. Give them the ability to make a mid-career change to teaching by PAYING them to train for a semester or so, and bringing them in at a higher place on the pay scale.

Wouldn't that be better than hiring people of marginal intelligence?

They have adjunct professors that are exactly what you describe.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

Totally unacceptable. Was this in a blue state or city?

Exactly what are those restrictions? I was unaware of any while I was teacher and administrator. Perhaps you could name a few?

Dark Blue. Restrictions that I'm referring to are those I want to see placed on all teachers. Come dressed professionally for teaching. Teach only the specified topic of the class. If it's English, only teach English grammar. If it's History, only teach U.S. or World History. Et cetera. Keep your personal life's preferences out of your class. You have to remember that those students are there to learn spelling, reading, writing, grammar, arithmetic, mathematics, history, sciences, and for the higher K-12 grades, the shops (wood, electrical, metal, auto mechanics, et cetera).
Sex education should be optional for the parents to decide and not a mandatory class. Remember....they are NOT your children, only your students. They ARE the parents children.
Children pretend to be lots of things when very young, so don't play into it by straying from the curriculum and going along with their fantasies. Just teach what is required.

 

[SweetSue92]

Teachers in This Blue State Will No Longer Need to Pass a Reading, Math Certification

townhall.com

I seriously don't get this. States don't require that prospective teachers pass a basic competency test in the three R's.

If you need more math and science teachers,it seems to me that the best way to get them is to recruit engineers, accountants, scientists, etc. Give them the ability to make a mid-career change to teaching by PAYING them to train for a semester or so, and bringing them in at a higher place on the pay scale.

Wouldn't that be better than hiring people of marginal intelligence?

Well, as I have been saying. Largely "my" people did this: conservatives. Teaching was never a profession of good pay or respect, but we used to feel we were at least doing some good. Now we're all groomers, etc. So teachers are not going into it and quitting.

As I said: if you all hate the A and B team, wait til you see the C and D team.

Which is now here.

Reaping. And. Sowing.

 

[SweetSue92]

While in Middle-School, my daughter came home with a written assignment from her "English" class. The paper was not one for her to correct grammatical errors on it, but just written instructions from the teacher, given to each student. The instructions were written out so poorly that I was amazed an "English" teacher would have presented it to students. My wife and I approached the vice-principal on the matter about the competency of the English teacher. She informed us that the English teacher was from China and English was her second language, but felt that the teacher was just fine for the school's English class. It was absurd.
That to me was the clear downward trend in our educational system.
Now, we have blue-haired, tattooed, nose-pierced teachers bragging that they will turn the kids against what their parents learned and pushing their personal life's sex preferences in classes that have nothing to do with the subject they are supposed to be teachings.
We have to get rid of the Department of Education, or seriously overhaul its faculty and subject matter restrictions.

Always this.

My kid had a very bad teacher +

All teachers are groomers =

HEY WHY ARE ALL THE TEACHERS QUITTING

 

[SweetSue92]

Teachers in This Blue State Will No Longer Need to Pass a Reading, Math Certification

townhall.com

I seriously don't get this. States don't require that prospective teachers pass a basic competency test in the three R's.

If you need more math and science teachers,it seems to me that the best way to get them is to recruit engineers, accountants, scientists, etc. Give them the ability to make a mid-career change to teaching by PAYING them to train for a semester or so, and bringing them in at a higher place on the pay scale.

Wouldn't that be better than hiring people of marginal intelligence?

Sure. Engineers, accountants, scientists. Who would love, what? Teaching in a modern American high school?


Where every other student has a 504 for 'anxiety' and so can't have homework/take a test/attend a full day of school?

Where they put in 60 hour weeks with no extra pay?

Where they can't use the bathroom when they need to, and get 30 minutes for lunch?

Where their evaluations are based on how OTHER people perform?

Where they spend PD days learning to apply tourniquets and pack bullet wounds?

What world are you living in? Really?

My kids in corporate America get real swag and bonuses. Money, clothes, gifts.

We get stale donuts and coffee once a year.

Are you KIDDING me

 

[SweetSue92]

Dark Blue. Restrictions that I'm referring to are those I want to see placed on all teachers. Come dressed professionally for teaching. Teach only the specified topic of the class. If it's English, only teach English grammar. If it's History, only teach U.S. or World History. Et cetera. Keep your personal life's preferences out of your class. You have to remember that those students are there to learn spelling, reading, writing, grammar, arithmetic, mathematics, history, sciences, and for the higher K-12 grades, the shops (wood, electrical, metal, auto mechanics, et cetera).
Sex education should be optional for the parents to decide and not a mandatory class. Remember....they are NOT your children, only your students. They ARE the parents children.
Children pretend to be lots of things when very young, so don't play into it by straying from the curriculum and going along with their fantasies. Just teach what is required.

You know what, nurses should wear white dresses and little white caps too amirite

 

[Unkotare]

.... If it's English, only teach English grammar. ...

Only grammar?

 

[Unkotare]

...

HEY WHY ARE ALL THE TEACHERS QUITTING

They aren't.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Dark Blue. Restrictions that I'm referring to are those I want to see placed on all teachers. Come dressed professionally for teaching. Teach only the specified topic of the class. If it's English, only teach English grammar. If it's History, only teach U.S. or World History. Et cetera. Keep your personal life's preferences out of your class. You have to remember that those students are there to learn spelling, reading, writing, grammar, arithmetic, mathematics, history, sciences, and for the higher K-12 grades, the shops (wood, electrical, metal, auto mechanics, et cetera).
Sex education should be optional for the parents to decide and not a mandatory class. Remember....they are NOT your children, only your students. They ARE the parents children.
Children pretend to be lots of things when very young, so don't play into it by straying from the curriculum and going along with their fantasies. Just teach what is required.

That is generally the way that it is done in most schools. Not sure about the restriction to grammar. Wood shop, other than carpentry has gone the way of the dodo. Not sure about the grammar only part.

As far as parenting, teachers are in loco parentis regarding their conduct and discipline. You will never change that.

Blue cities and states vary from this model.