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[The Irish Ram]

Those who die in true faith and obedience before the Great Tribulation.... will NOT have to go through the Great Tribulation, but all followers of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus will suffer persecution at some level of another

Why do you think that, Dennis? And why would the dead in Christ get a pass and the live followers of Christ have to suffer persecution? Why would God persecute The Bride of Jesus? What father would punish his child for being good, for loving His Son?
And the Bible says there is therefore no condemnation for those in Jesus. Then why mete out wrath to the innocent? That would make God less than 100 percent just.

And Jesus is going to show up twice. Once in the air, and once here on earth on the Mt. of Olives to end the Tribulation. So what was the purpose of showing up in the air prior to His return to earth? In the second event He stays on earth, in the first event he disappears in the twinkling of an eye, never touching earth, and only seen by His followers.
What was the purpose of the first event? What transpired in 11/100 of a second?

 

[DennisPTate]

Why do you think that, Dennis? And why would the dead in Christ get a pass and the live followers of Christ have to suffer persecution? Why would God persecute The Bride of Jesus? What father would punish his child for being good, for loving His Son?
And the Bible says there is therefore no condemnation for those in Jesus. Then why mete out wrath to the innocent? That would make God less than 100 percent just.

And Jesus is going to show up twice. Once in the air, and once here on earth on the Mt. of Olives to end the Tribulation. So what was the purpose of showing up in the air prior to His return to earth? In the second event He stays on earth, in the first event he disappears in the twinkling of an eye, never touching earth, and only seen by His followers.
What was the purpose of the first event? What transpired in 11/100 of a second?

I believe that to at least some degree, those who die in a place of having a sincere relationship with Messiah Yeshua - Jesus, now, in the days and months and possibly years or even decades, before the full fledged "Great Tribulation" would end up in heaven without going through some of the events of the Book of Revelation.

I believe that our prayers and our decisions can alter and improve and further alter the variation of Applied Multiverse Theory that I suspect that we are in now?

This is only a guess by me and few other people share my view of our being in a Multiverse at this time.

[Kevin Williams Ph. D. ] :

3. A Successful Apocalyptic Prophecy is One That Doesn’t Happen​

The goal of apocalyptic prophecy is to warn people to prevent it from happening. The reason prophecies are given to humanity is to change current trends and change enough people so that the prophecy will be diverted. Well-known prophecies that were foretold to occur around the millennium have not happened. Skeptics point out that this proves these prophecies to be false. But a better understanding of prophecy reveals that either (a) or (b) is true:

(a) The prophecy was successful in permanently diverting the outcome by the raising of the world’s consciousness.

(b) Because the prophecy gives an exact date, the prophecy may still be valid and the date may be wrong.

Prophecies from very credible sources rarely give an exact date. Even Jesus said he didn’t know the date and time when he would return. This should be a lesson to everyone who comes across a prophecy with an exact date.

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[The Irish Ram]

Yes, but remember the blood of Christ is sacred, not for everyone, Matthew 7:21-24

Well kind of. It is sacred for sure, but it is for everybody. He paid for everyone's sins. So anyone who repents and turns to Christ regardless of their past is saved. The thief on the cross was a criminal. Paul hunted down Christians to kill, yet Jesus redeemed them.
There was a Roman named Longinus, who was nearly blind. He was the Centurion, who ran a spear through Christ. The spray of blood and water got into Longinus' eyes and cured his blindness. He left the army and became a monk. It is said that his tongue was cut out, but he just kept speaking. He was martyred for his faith in Christ.

Not everyone will accept the gift that Christ died to give us. So in that sense you are right. Sadly, the road to Heaven is a narrow one.

 

[DennisPTate]

Well kind of. It is sacred for sure, but it is for everybody. He paid for everyone's sins. So anyone who repents and turns to Christ regardless of their past is saved. The thief on the cross was a criminal. Paul hunted down Christians to kill, yet Jesus redeemed him.
There was a Roman named Longinus, who was nearly blind. He was the Centurion, who ran a spear through Christ. The spray of blood and water got into Longinus' eyes and cured his blindness. He left the army and became a monk. It is said that his tongue was cut out, but he just kept speaking. He was martyred for his faith in Christ.

Not everyone will accept the gift that Christ died to give us. So in that sense you are right. Sadly, the road to Heaven is a narrow one.

Wow!!!!!!

A near death experiencer several centuries ago was given a pretty shocking message, [he believes from the Patriarch Adam]

I personally sure do hope that this visionary experience is valid and fits with 2 Corinthians 12 verses two to four?

“Upon that, I perceived that Adam and Eve approached, and Adam spoke to me after his manner:

“My dear brother, rejoice with universal and eternal joy, as you are favored with the heavenly visions! it is in this manner that our adorable royal high priest, mediator, and intercessor, shall restore all my descendants to the glory of our God, and their eternal and universal salvation for the kingdom of eternal love hath power sufficient to draw all mankind out of their bondage, and to exclaim and say; O death, where is thy sting, etc. But my dear brother, this love of our God in Jesus Christ, by the power of his holy spirit, shall not only gain the victory over all the human species, but also surmount or overflow the kingdom of Satan entirely, with all the principalities of the fallen angels, and shall bring them back in their first glory, which they have had in the beginning. I will make all things new, said the Lord of hosts, and the end shall return into its beginning, ‘O my Lord and my God, what great wonders hast thou caused to pass before mine eyes! Who am I, O my God, dust and ashes, an ungrateful and rebellious creature, I should not dare to lift mine eyes towards the heavens if the blood of Jesus Christ thy son did not plead for me. My soul rejoices and is glad, she shouts for joy; ‘O my God, whom I adore, love, and respect; before whom I desire to be without ceasing, self-annihilated at thy feet. O my God and my love, the seraphims and cherubims burning with the fire of thy heavenly love, adore and honor thee; give me thy grace also, O my God, that I may be consumed before thee, while I sing the majesty, glory, and the memory of God, who hath created and redeemed me. I would praise him incessantly, not in shadow or figure, but in reality and truth. I would continue devoted to thee, and always be swallowed up in the ocean of love without a wish to leave it.”

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[The Irish Ram]

Wow!!!!!!

A near death experiencer several centuries ago was given a pretty shocking message, [he believes from the Patriarch Adam]

I personally sure do hope that this visionary experience is valid and fits with 2 Corinthians 12 verses two to four?

There have been far too many NDEs to overlook them. One of the best I have heard was a woman, blind since birth, had a brain tumor and they had to shut her brain down completely to remove the tumor. And out of body, she watched the whole thing. When she came to she described the color of their scrubs, the song the doctor was singing, the tools that were used, and that there was a sneaker up on the roof. And there was. I love that she saw the color blue and knew it was blue!

If you think about it logically, why would God make children who would cease to exist in less than a split second of His eternal time? He wants His kids around forever. If we are co-heirs with Christ, then there is much more to come. This is merely basic training...

 

[Carl in Michigan]

What for the ones who died before the tribulation period?

The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come

 

[DennisPTate]

There have been far too many NDEs to overlook them. One of the best I have heard was a woman, blind since birth, had a brain tumor and they had to shut her brain down completely to remove the tumor. And out of body, she watched the whole thing. When she came to she described the color of their scrubs, the song the doctor was singing, the tools that were used, and that there was a sneaker up on the roof. And there was. I love that she saw the color blue and knew it was blue!

If you think about it logically, why would God make children who would cease to exist in less than a split second of His eternal time? He wants His kids around forever. If we are co-heirs with Christ, then there is much more to come. This is merely basic training...

That sounds like the Pam Reynolds near death experience.

Her case is unique for sure.

2. Exceptional Examples of Verified Perception in NDEs​

In Dr. Michael Sabom’s book, Light and Death, he includes the NDE account of a woman named Pam Reynolds who underwent a rare operation to remove a giant basilar artery aneurysm in her brain that seriously threatened her life. The surgical procedure used to remove the aneurysm is known as “hypothermic cardiac arrest” or “standstill.” Pam’s body temperature was lowered to 60 degrees, her heartbeat and breathing were stopped, her brain waves were flattened, and all the blood was drained from her head. For all practical purposes, she was put to death. After removing the aneurysm, she was restored to life. But, during the time that Pam was in standstill, she experienced a profound NDE. Her remarkably detailed veridical out-of-body observations of her surgery were later verified to be very accurate. Pam’s case is considered to be one of the strongest cases of veridical perception evidence in NDE research because of her ability to describe the unique surgical instruments and procedures used and her ability to describe in detail these events while she was clinically and brain dead. The following is the out-of-body aspect of her NDE in her own words:

“The next thing I recall was the sound: It was a Natural “D.” As I listened to the sound, I felt it was pulling me out of the top of my head. The further out of my body I got, the more clear the tone became. I had the impression it was like a road, a frequency that you go on … I remember seeing several things in the operating room when I was looking down. It was the most aware that I think that I have ever been in my entire life …I was metaphorically sitting on [the doctor’s] shoulder. It was not like normal vision. It was brighter and more focused and clearer than normal vision … There was so much in the operating room that I didn’t recognize, and so many people.

“I thought the way they had my head shaved was very peculiar. I expected them to take all of the hair, but they did not …

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[OneIsTheWord]

To everyone, John 5:39

But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

I do not receive honor from men.

But I know you do not have the love of God in you.
Jesus Christ is the same person yesterday, today, and forever.
John 5:38-42 Heb 13:8 (KJV) End of Story

 

[BreezeWood]

To everyone ... But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

that is not found to believe in any desert bible - liberation theology, self determination, the 1st century events and its conclusion ... the exact opposite written in their bibles by the crucifiers.

in reference to the initial judaism transgressions against the spiritual heavens above - all three desert bibles.

 

[Zebra]

no one is saved?

How can you say so?

 

[OneIsTheWord]

that is not found to believe in any desert bible - liberation theology, self determination, the 1st century events and its conclusion ... the exact opposite written in their bibles by the crucifiers.

in reference to the initial judaism transgressions against the spiritual heavens above - all three desert bibles.

if you say so

 

[OneIsTheWord]

No one will be saved, end of story

Your destination YOU!, will be burnt inside out forevermore
Revelation 14:11​

 

[BreezeWood]

No one will be saved, end of story
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Your destination YOU!, will be burnt inside out forevermore
Revelation 14:11​

space cadet needs a vacation ...

 

[ninja007]

1 John 5:13 KJV - These things have I written unto you​

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

space cadet needs a vacation ...

I'm leaving on a jet plane, and don't I know when I'll be back again

Oh By the way, your sins shall remain forever. Have fun​

 

[pal]

True.

Some people want to kill people.

I am understand.

God think/thinks/want no believe anyway what Jesus think on God's command?

 

[DennisPTate]

no one is saved?

How can you say so?

I actually am getting closer and closer to the belief that hopefully everybody will be saved, eventually!

I believe that our Creator is planning on chasing after us in ways that could even Applied Multiverse Theory, [which I think of as multiple Ezekiel 37 events].

I do NOT believe though that Eventual Universal Salvation should be taken for granted at all though, because really paradise or heaven is ultimately dependant on our learning to love and be grateful all the time, even when life is tough.

h. Who goes to heaven?​

In the end … believe it or not (sigh of relief), everyone gets to come home! Heaven is a place of ultimate LOVE. When we have learned how to become individuals that base our entire existence and consciousness around manifesting LOVE, we then become capable of entering the domain of the higher realms of heaven. If we do not practice love, we can only go so far and we will be made to incarnate somewhere out there in God’s super universe again and again (unlimited times) until we learn.

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What was shown to near death experiencer Christian Andreason, reminds me of a combination of 2 Corinthians 12 verse one to five and then Romans chapters nine, ten and eleven.

 

[Cougarbear]

You must go through the Great Tribulation

It goes like this
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Then many false prophets will rise and deceive many.
And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.
And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Matthews 24:
And for Israel

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Matt 23:37-39 (KJV)

 

[OneIsTheWord]

The Spirit of Righteousness Grace
Lamentations 5:21​

 

[OneIsTheWord]

True.

Some people want to kill people.

I am understand.

God think/thinks/want no believe anyway what Jesus think on God's command?

Love Conquers All ​