No one is going to take your guns

[Quantum Windbag]

Do you have time to call 9/11 to stop the Pit Bull from tearing the woman to shreds Joe.................

The dog will perfectly understand that it will not continue the attack for another 5 minutes waiting for the police to show up and then kill the evil dog with the evil gun...................

It wasn't over a T.V. set Joe...........

Joe..............Joe..................The lady who shot and killed the dog was evil joe, because she owned a gun Joe...........

Joe.............Joe................

Okay, simple enough solution.

Make it illegal to own that breed of dog. Problem solved.

Because they are the only type of dog that ever attacks anyone.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

[

But if more people like you would decide to shoot more people like the criminal, there would be less criminals.

The best crime deterrent is a good guy with a gun killing a bad guy with a gun

Society is safer when criminals don't know who's armed

-Geaux

If that were the case, why does the US have the highest crime rate in the industrialized world instead of the lowest?

If guns and jails made us safer- we have 300 million guns and 2 million prisoners.. and obviously, you don't feel safe.

As opposed to Japan where they only have 500,000 guns and 69,000 prisoners, and Japanese Ladies can walk the streets at night safely.

Because you are delusional?

 

[JoeB131]

Joe............Joe............................

Do you think these guys in the next video care about your Laws..........................

][/quote] Completely irrelevent ...e suicides, domestic arguments and accidents.

 

[JoeB131]

Uh, no, guy, the difference there is, you can't promise me that your gun won't ever be used in a school shooting.

You can't promise me a criminal won't try to harm my wife and children.

But again, it's not like you give a shit about victims of criminals. As a matter of fact, you want MORE victims...because that's the result when you want law-abiding people disarmed.

Really, guy, then why does Japan, where they don't let citizens own guns, only have 11 gun murders a year and we have 11,000?

Strikes me that as long as the NRA insists on arming the crooks, we are going to have a problem.

 

[JoeB131]

[
If Kellerman says Kellerman isn't true and you're still citing stats Kellerman has disavowed, then the problem seems to be yours.

Kellerman has never disavowed his study. You need to stop reading gun nutter websites.

 

[BlackSand]

My wife's take on the picture...

Hair should be back (behind the shoulders, or preferably, tied back) so it doesn't get in her eyes or tangled in the action.
She should be wearing a belt.
Whoever said to match that top with a suit jacket should be arrested by the fashion police.
She's probably be served better with a shoulder holster, especially for what looks like a revolver. (The cylinder can snag on the waistband.)
The sleeves on the jacket are long enough to be a problem.
She needs to ALWAYS use a 2-handed grip! (Liz and I were taught a Weaver stance, which is looks like she is using.)

Wow ... The "Weaver Stance" ... Y'all must have been to a school or something.
We always called it ... "The right thing to do" ... I never knew it had a name.

And yeah ... The other things are noted ... Although I have long hair and wear it anyway I like ... Not gonna ask anybody to wait while I tie it back ... And you never know when you will need to.
I wouldn't be caught dead (no pun intended) wearing the outfit she has on ... A semi-auto goes in the pants or shoulder holster ... And my revolver is worn outside my pants.

You have been misinformed about the 2 handed grip ... Probably at a school ... And the best way to grip your weapon is the easiest and quickest way for you to engage and hit your target.
Get another opinion from another qualified specialist ... It is a question that will fall both ways depending on who you ask.
There is no conclusive evidenced that two hands is better than one ... Although people will argue with you about it ... Believe me I have looked, and you can even Google it and get four different answers.

If you cannot put three rounds in a pie pan at 25 yards ... From holster to clear with one hand ... In less than 4 seconds ... You need to spend more time at the range (or in the backyard in my case).

.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

[
If Kellerman says Kellerman isn't true and you're still citing stats Kellerman has disavowed, then the problem seems to be yours.

Kellerman has never disavowed his study. You need to stop reading gun nutter websites.

He revised the numbers you keep quoting downward by a significant factor.

Kellermann-Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home

I guess that makes you wrong, as usual.

 

[JoeB131]

[
If Kellerman says Kellerman isn't true and you're still citing stats Kellerman has disavowed, then the problem seems to be yours.

Kellerman has never disavowed his study. You need to stop reading gun nutter websites.

He revised the numbers you keep quoting downward by a significant factor.

Kellermann-Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home

I guess that makes you wrong, as usual.

Why are you trying to pass off a gun-nutter cite as a claim that Kellerman "revised" his numbers?

 

[eflatminor]

Kellerman has never disavowed his study. You need to stop reading gun nutter websites.

He revised the numbers you keep quoting downward by a significant factor.

Kellermann-Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home

I guess that makes you wrong, as usual.

Why are you trying to pass off a gun-nutter cite as a claim that Kellerman "revised" his numbers?

Well, when you can't refute the facts, attack the source...works every time.

Kellerman's study has been thoroughly debunked from numerous sources. This one was published in the oh-so-right-wing Journal of the American Medical Association:

Risks and Benefits of Keeping a Gun in the Home...[Fulltext, Aug 5 JAMA. 1998;280:473-475] (c) AMA 1998

 

[JoeB131]

He revised the numbers you keep quoting downward by a significant factor.

Kellermann-Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home

I guess that makes you wrong, as usual.

Why are you trying to pass off a gun-nutter cite as a claim that Kellerman "revised" his numbers?

Well, when you can't refute the facts, attack the source...works every time.

Kellerman's study has been thoroughly debunked from numerous sources. This one was published in the oh-so-right-wing Journal of the American Medical Association:

Risks and Benefits of Keeping a Gun in the Home...[Fulltext, Aug 5 JAMA. 1998;280:473-475] (c) AMA 1998

Guy, your link leads to guncite.com, NOT JAMA.

And it's an article by know gun crank, Gary Kleck.

 

[BlackSand]

Why are you trying to pass off a gun-nutter cite as a claim that Kellerman "revised" his numbers?

Well, when you can't refute the facts, attack the source...works every time.

Kellerman's study has been thoroughly debunked from numerous sources. This one was published in the oh-so-right-wing Journal of the American Medical Association:

Risks and Benefits of Keeping a Gun in the Home...[Fulltext, Aug 5 JAMA. 1998;280:473-475] (c) AMA 1998

Guy, your link leads to guncite.com, NOT JAMA.

And it's an article by know gun crank, Gary Kleck.

JAMA. 1998;280:473-475
© 1995-1998 American Medical Association. All rights reserved.

.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Really, guy, then why does Japan, where they don't let citizens own guns, only have 11 gun murders a year and we have 11,000?

Because the Japanese raise accountable and respectful families and members of society.

They are also incredibly racist and genetically pure.

 

[Jarlaxle]

My wife's take on the picture...

Hair should be back (behind the shoulders, or preferably, tied back) so it doesn't get in her eyes or tangled in the action.
She should be wearing a belt.
Whoever said to match that top with a suit jacket should be arrested by the fashion police.
She's probably be served better with a shoulder holster, especially for what looks like a revolver. (The cylinder can snag on the waistband.)
The sleeves on the jacket are long enough to be a problem.
She needs to ALWAYS use a 2-handed grip! (Liz and I were taught a Weaver stance, which is looks like she is using.)

Wow ... The "Weaver Stance" ... Y'all must have been to a school or something.
We always called it ... "The right thing to do" ... I never knew it had a name.

My uncle taught me, that's what he called it. He was taught it by Jack Weaver.

And yeah ... The other things are noted ... Although I have long hair and wear it anyway I like ... Not gonna ask anybody to wait while I tie it back ... And you never know when you will need to.

Then you should always tie it back, like my wife does. (Hers is MUCH longer than the woman in the picture.)

I wouldn't be caught dead (no pun intended) wearing the outfit she has on ... A semi-auto goes in the pants or shoulder holster ... And my revolver is worn outside my pants.

My wife uses a shoulder rig for her Beretta 92. My uncle uses a Maqui rig for his Ruger Super Redhawk.

You have been misinformed about the 2 handed grip ... Probably at a school ... And the best way to grip your weapon is the easiest and quickest way for you to engage and hit your target.

Tried both ways...after the first shot, my accuracy goes to hell past 20' one-handed. Two-handed, I can put all six shots (very-hot handloads) on a paint can at 50 yards about 9 times in ten.

Get another opinion from another qualified specialist ... It is a question that will fall both ways depending on who you ask.

My uncle is a specialist...firearms instructor and competitive shooter.

There is no conclusive evidenced that two hands is better than one ... Although people will argue with you about it ... Believe me I have looked, and you can even Google it and get four different answers.

If you cannot put three rounds in a pie pan at 25 yards ... From holster to clear with one hand ... In less than 4 seconds ... You need to spend more time at the range (or in the backyard in my case).

Two-handed, I can put six on a paint can at 25 yards in <10 seconds. My wife can put her entire magazine (15 shots) on a paint can at 25 yards in about 15-20 seconds.

 

[BlackSand]

My uncle taught me, that's what he called it. He was taught it by Jack Weaver.
Then you should always tie it back, like my wife does. (Hers is MUCH longer than the woman in the picture.)

My wife uses a shoulder rig for her Beretta 92. My uncle uses a Maqui rig for his Ruger Super Redhawk.

Tried both ways...after the first shot, my accuracy goes to hell past 20' one-handed. Two-handed, I can put all six shots (very-hot handloads) on a paint can at 50 yards about 9 times in ten.

My uncle is a specialist...firearms instructor and competitive shooter.

Two-handed, I can put six on a paint can at 25 yards in <10 seconds. My wife can put her entire magazine (15 shots) on a paint can at 25 yards in about 15-20 seconds.

It is wonderful your uncle took the time to teach you how to use a firearm ... My only professional training was strictly in the military.
I am sorry your wife feels the need to let her carry habits determine her hair style ... It is a minimal concern at best ... And never been a problem for me.
It is good to know that you probably don't need much more time at the range ... And I won't have to worry about you covering your field of fire should we find ourselves in the same conflict.

Lock and Load Chief.

 

[Jarlaxle]

My uncle taught me, that's what he called it. He was taught it by Jack Weaver.
Then you should always tie it back, like my wife does. (Hers is MUCH longer than the woman in the picture.)

My wife uses a shoulder rig for her Beretta 92. My uncle uses a Maqui rig for his Ruger Super Redhawk.

Tried both ways...after the first shot, my accuracy goes to hell past 20' one-handed. Two-handed, I can put all six shots (very-hot handloads) on a paint can at 50 yards about 9 times in ten.

My uncle is a specialist...firearms instructor and competitive shooter.

Two-handed, I can put six on a paint can at 25 yards in <10 seconds. My wife can put her entire magazine (15 shots) on a paint can at 25 yards in about 15-20 seconds.

It is wonderful your uncle took the time to teach you how to use a firearm ... My only professional training was strictly in the military.
I am sorry your wife feels the need to let her carry habits determine her hair style ... It is a minimal concern at best ... And never been a problem for me.
It is good to know that you probably don't need much more time at the range ... And I won't have to worry about you covering your field of fire should we find ourselves in the same conflict.

Lock and Load Chief.

Liz's hairstyle has nothing to do with her carrying...she ties it back to keep it out of her face. She has VERY long hair (as in: Crystal Gayle-length) & wears it in a ballerina's topknot to keep it out of her face. It's shorter than it used to be now...it barely reaches her knees.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Kellerman has never disavowed his study. You need to stop reading gun nutter websites.

He revised the numbers you keep quoting downward by a significant factor.

Kellermann-Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home

I guess that makes you wrong, as usual.

Why are you trying to pass off a gun-nutter cite as a claim that Kellerman "revised" his numbers?

It has a direct link to Kellerman's revised claim that you are approximately 2.7 times as likely to die if someone in the house has a gun than if they don't. The fact that it then goes on to debunk that would be informative to an intelligent person. The fact that Kellerman's original claim that you were 43 times more like to die under those circumstances assumed that no one who didn't have gun death in the family even owned a gun would be informative to an honest person. The fact that you missed both of those points is informative to everyone who is not a moron.

 

[JoeB131]

Really, guy, then why does Japan, where they don't let citizens own guns, only have 11 gun murders a year and we have 11,000?

Because the Japanese raise accountable and respectful families and members of society.

They are also incredibly racist and genetically pure.

And they don't have guns...

YOu know, kind of hard to have gun murders when you don't have guns.

Never saw anyone get beaten to death with racial purity or respectful families.

 

[JoeB131]

It has a direct link to Kellerman's revised claim that you are approximately 2.7 times as likely to die if someone in the house has a gun than if they don't. The fact that it then goes on to debunk that would be informative to an intelligent person. The fact that Kellerman's original claim that you were 43 times more like to die under those circumstances assumed that no one who didn't have gun death in the family even owned a gun would be informative to an honest person. The fact that you missed both of those points is informative to everyone who is not a moron.

When you post something DIRECTLY from Kellerman himself, then you can come back and talk to me. .

Not about how Gunwhack.com has skewed his statement or taken things out of context to try to make their case that guns in the house really do increase your chance of being murdered.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Really, guy, then why does Japan, where they don't let citizens own guns, only have 11 gun murders a year and we have 11,000?

Because the Japanese raise accountable and respectful families and members of society.

They are also incredibly racist and genetically pure.

And they don't have guns...

YOu know, kind of hard to have gun murders when you don't have guns.

Never saw anyone get beaten to death with racial purity or respectful families.

They also report a significant increase in violent home invasions over the last few years, but don't let that get in the way of your delusions that Japan is a great place because they don't have guns.

 

[JoeB131]

And Quantum Crazy Person now wants to play "How to lie with statistics..."

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