No one is going to take your guns

[JoeB131]

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Since police are not obligated to come to your aid, who will?

-Geaux

Or maybe you just let the guy take your TV, and be done with it.

Because, frankly, you guys keep talking about how you are keeping us safe, but I'm a lot more concerned about the gun nuts than I am about criminals.

 

[JoeB131]

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The British weren't worried about them either.
Snipers in trees, or hidden in prepared blinds with a decent supply of ammunition will take out advancing enemy infantry at about 10:1.

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.

Can tell you never served in the military.

 

[JoeB131]

How many criminals will this law disarm?

none

criminals are constitutionally exempt from registration requirements

Again, most gun deaths are suicides, domestic arguments and accidents...

I mean, I know that you guys piss yourself at the thought of the scary black man you think is out there with a gun, but the fact is, if you are murdered, it will probably be by someone you know.

Depends on how the categories are set up. While a very large percentage of gun murders are among people who know each other, gang associations and rivalries are usually included in that.
The truth is, nearly half of all gun deaths are gang related and more than half are committed by just 6% of the population.

That sounds like a great argument to limit who is allowed to own a gun.

Oh, wait, that's probably not what you were going for there.

 

[OODA_Loop]

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Or maybe you just let the guy take your TV, and be done with it.

Because, frankly, you guys keep talking about how you are keeping us safe, but I'm a lot more concerned about the gun nuts than I am about criminals.

Exactly. Let him rape your kids too.

 

[JoeB131]

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Or maybe you just let the guy take your TV, and be done with it.

Because, frankly, you guys keep talking about how you are keeping us safe, but I'm a lot more concerned about the gun nuts than I am about criminals.

Exactly. Let him rape your kids too.

Considering that a kid is 43 times more likely to be killed by a gun in the home than by a bad guy, they are better off taking their chances.

Hey, you know what, all those other industrialized countries where they don't let every yahoo own a gun? They don't have the rapes, the murders, or the robberies we have for some reason.

Now why is that?

 

[S.J.]

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Since police are not obligated to come to your aid, who will?

-Geaux

Or maybe you just let the guy take your TV, and be done with it.

Because, frankly, you guys keep talking about how you are keeping us safe, but I'm a lot more concerned about the gun nuts than I am about criminals.

Nobody gives a shit about keeping YOU safe, we just want to keep our FAMILIES safe. You can die for all we care.

 

[JoeB131]

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Since police are not obligated to come to your aid, who will?

-Geaux

Or maybe you just let the guy take your TV, and be done with it.

Because, frankly, you guys keep talking about how you are keeping us safe, but I'm a lot more concerned about the gun nuts than I am about criminals.

Nobody gives a shit about keeping YOU safe, we just want to keep our FAMILIES safe. You can die for all we care.

Well, here's the thing, guy, I'm actually concerned about keeping your families safe.

And when a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy, that's probably a legitimate cause of concern.

 

[OODA_Loop]

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Or maybe you just let the guy take your TV, and be done with it.

Because, frankly, you guys keep talking about how you are keeping us safe, but I'm a lot more concerned about the gun nuts than I am about criminals.

Exactly. Let him rape your kids too.

Considering that a kid is 43 times more likely to be killed by a gun in the home than by a bad guy, they are better off taking their chances.

Hey, you know what, all those other industrialized countries where they don't let every yahoo own a gun? They don't have the rapes, the murders, or the robberies we have for some reason.

Now why is that?

Kellerman has been debunked. Raw, imperical numbers don't support the 43 times figure. But I agree that more people are hurt by the guns they intend to use for self-defense than actually take a criminal life in self-defense. So what.

Other countries have intact families which are raising self-accountable successive generations and lack a parasitic class bound by the notion and socio-political reinforcement of perpetual victimhood and entitlement.

Which is why communal and socialized policy and concepts work in those countries.

The US has come to a point where more take than give.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

are you fucking stupid? you go to jail you loose the right to vote. Thus yes you loose your rights. You loose your right to own a firearm as well.

Nevermind you are this fucking stupid

Wrong twice in a single sentence.

The right to vote is not unalienable, it is a privilege granted by the government. Not to mention that it is perfectly legal to be in jail and vote everywhere in the country unless you have actually been convicted of a felony. Some places don't even restrict you from voting after you get convicted.

http://www.aclu.org/files/pdfs/votingrights/votingwhileincarc_20051123.pdf

What was that about me being stupid again? Were you looking in a mirror when you said it?

Ah so you needed to walk back to only a felony as your excuse.
This is fun watching you fail again.
Your rights are meaningless. They can be stripped at any point in time. This is how foolish you really are. Man I would have loved to see you during the khans..but I have the right to bear arms...shut up and die peasant. Then they chop your head off.

Lol unalienable rights...shut up

Excuse me?

Some idiot claimed that being in a jail cell means my unalienable rights no longer exist, I scoffed. You then popped in, like the idiot you are, and blathered about the right to vote, which is not an unalienable right. I explained that to you, and then demonstrated that, even if you are in jail awaiting a murder trial, you can sill vote. I also mentioned that you can vote even after you have been convicted in some places.

How the fuck did I walk anything back? Are you just so caught up in your attempt to prove you are smarter than I am that you can't admit you fucked up?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

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Or maybe you just let the guy take your TV, and be done with it.

Because, frankly, you guys keep talking about how you are keeping us safe, but I'm a lot more concerned about the gun nuts than I am about criminals.

Exactly. Let him rape your kids too.

Considering that a kid is 43 times more likely to be killed by a gun in the home than by a bad guy, they are better off taking their chances.

Hey, you know what, all those other industrialized countries where they don't let every yahoo own a gun? They don't have the rapes, the murders, or the robberies we have for some reason.

Now why is that?

I love it when people make shit up and pretend that means they won the argument.

 

[JoeB131]

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Kellerman has been debunked. Raw, imperical numbers don't support the 43 times figure. But I agree that more people are hurt by the guns they intend to use for self-defense than actually take a criminal life in self-defense. So what.

Other countries have intact families which are raising self-accountable successive generations and lack a parasitic class bound by the notion and socio-political reinforcement of perpetual victimhood and entitlement.

Which is why communal and socialized policy and concepts work in those countries.

The US has come to a point where more take than give.

Guy, you need to get out more.

Most other industrialized countries have a welfare state that would put ours to shame. Universal health care, six weeks paid vacation, paid family leave, mandetory.

And they are a lot more promiscious than we are. Seriously, you have sex shops in Holland where the hookers just sit in the window waiting for customers.

The reason why those countries are doing better is that they put the good of the average citizen above the good of the wealthy.

 

[OODA_Loop]

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Kellerman has been debunked. Raw, imperical numbers don't support the 43 times figure. But I agree that more people are hurt by the guns they intend to use for self-defense than actually take a criminal life in self-defense. So what.

Other countries have intact families which are raising self-accountable successive generations and lack a parasitic class bound by the notion and socio-political reinforcement of perpetual victimhood and entitlement.

Which is why communal and socialized policy and concepts work in those countries.

The US has come to a point where more take than give.

Guy, you need to get out more.

Most other industrialized countries have a welfare state that would put ours to shame. Universal health care, six weeks paid vacation, paid family leave, mandetory.

And they are a lot more promiscious than we are. Seriously, you have sex shops in Holland where the hookers just sit in the window waiting for customers.

The reason why those countries are doing better is that they put the good of the average citizen above the good of the wealthy.

Those countries lack a leech class as a societal norm and are not overrun with, nor do they tolerate illegal immigrants.

Sex in Holland is foreigner / tourist racket (both provider and client) and contraception is mandatory.

Again evidence of self-accountable people.

 

[ba1614]

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Since police are not obligated to come to your aid, who will?

-Geaux

Or maybe you just let the guy take your TV, and be done with it.

Because, frankly, you guys keep talking about how you are keeping us safe, but I'm a lot more concerned about the gun nuts than I am about criminals.

I don't care about keeping you safe, Protecting myself and my family is what I'm concerned with, and I pray to the good lord every day that I don't have to.

 

[JoeB131]

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Those countries lack a leech class as a societal norm and are not overrun with, nor do they tolerate illegal immigrants.

Sex in Holland is foreigner / tourist racket (both provider and client) and contraception is mandatory.

Again evidence of self-accountable people.

What they have is welfare without shame.

They also protect their industries and put employment above profits, but let's look at welfare benefits in Germany.

Keeping in mind that Germany was the first country to develop both social security AND universal health care... let's look at this.

The system is designed to help people in need and is thus also known as the “social net”. This is necessary, above all, for poor people, i.e. those with a disposable income of less than 781 Euro a month, about 13% of the Germans. A further 13% are protected from the same fate by means of state benefit payments. They receive welfare aid, housing allowance, maintenance support and other benefits. However, it is not only the impoverished who receive social benefits in Germany, but also old people, bereaved dependants, sick persons and invalids, children, parents, the unemployed and the job-seekers. For all of these Germany has been spending at least 700 bn Euro a year since the beginning of the 21st century. In 2007 it was 706.9 bn Euro, almost 22 times as much as in 1960. Also in terms of percentage of the GDP the costs have risen enormously in the last 40 years. In 1960 just under 21% of public revenue went into the welfare budget, in 1970 it was 23% and in 2007 29%.

Wow! Didn't anyone tell them Socialism doesn't work?

 

[OODA_Loop]

What they have is welfare without shame.

Wow! Didn't anyone tell them Socialism doesn't work?

The German work ethic and self-accountability allows it to work.

Here ?

Not so much.

More takee than givee and feel they're entitled to do so.

De-evolution against a primal drive in the form of an EBT card.

 

[JoeB131]

What they have is welfare without shame.

Wow! Didn't anyone tell them Socialism doesn't work?

The German work ethic and self-accountability allows it to work.

Here ?

Not so much.

More takee than givee and feel they're entitled to do so.

De-evolution against a primal drive in the form of an EBT card.

Guy, as someone whose father was born in Germany---

Bullshit.

Germans aren't any different than Americans. They have the same mix of industrious and lazy that most people have.

The problem you don't get is that they don't let people starve, and they make damned sure that as many of them get to work as possible. Germany doesn't sign awful trade treaties and let its workers get screwed in teh deal. They protect their industries.

 

[OODA_Loop]

What they have is welfare without shame.

Wow! Didn't anyone tell them Socialism doesn't work?

The German work ethic and self-accountability allows it to work.

Here ?

Not so much.

More takee than givee and feel they're entitled to do so.

De-evolution against a primal drive in the form of an EBT card.

Guy, as someone whose father was born in Germany---

Bullshit.

Germans aren't any different than Americans. They have the same mix of industrious and lazy that most people have.

The problem you don't get is that they don't let people starve, and they make damned sure that as many of them get to work as possible. Germany doesn't sign awful trade treaties and let its workers get screwed in teh deal. They protect their industries.

Oh your father was born in Germany 70 years ago.

and that gives you credibility to speak to the well known Teutonic work ethos (or the lack thereof as you assert)?

Foolishness.

 

[JoeB131]

The German work ethic and self-accountability allows it to work.

Here ?

Not so much.

More takee than givee and feel they're entitled to do so.

De-evolution against a primal drive in the form of an EBT card.

Guy, as someone whose father was born in Germany---

Bullshit.

Germans aren't any different than Americans. They have the same mix of industrious and lazy that most people have.

The problem you don't get is that they don't let people starve, and they make damned sure that as many of them get to work as possible. Germany doesn't sign awful trade treaties and let its workers get screwed in teh deal. They protect their industries.

Oh your father was born in Germany 70 years ago.

and that gives you credibility to speak to the well known Teutonic work ethos (or the lack thereof as you assert)?

Foolishness.

More like 90, but you were the one who brought up "culture".

Here's the thing, we all love our stereotypes about foreigners, but the fact is, we often have a lot more in common than we have different.

The thing is Germany has-

A strong welfare state, limits on gun ownership, an attitude that puts workers above investors, and they are doing a lot better than we are in terms prosperity for her people.

What they don't have is a class of the obscenely wealthy like the Koch Brothers who aren't satisifed with just being wealthy, but need to run the politics, as well.

 

[Clementine]

The left cannot be up front about their intentions or no one would support them. They must lie about what is in the laws they pass. While they smile and tell us our rights and liberty are safe, they are working fervently to undermine the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

If they were honest, the majority of people in this country would give them the boot and they know it.

They never feel bad about lying, just pissed when they get caught. Obama's so-called apology for his bold lies regarding Obamacare was forced and vague. He wasn't sorry for what he did. He claimed to be sorry for those who got completely screwed by the new law, then later reverted back to his tactics of blaming others.

They say now if we like our guns we can keep them, but they just want to add some safety measures. Next thing you know, Obama or some other libturd will be out there apologizing for those who lost their guns because of the new law. And they won't care, nor will they attempt to fix things to ensure our rights continue. They will claim it's about our safety, even though they would render us helpless in the face of danger. The criminals will have the edge.

The only reason that government wants to know where all the guns are is so they can come and get them once they crush our freedoms. Of course, they will not know where the illegal guns are, just those of the honest citizens.

 

[Jarlaxle]

What they have is welfare without shame.

Wow! Didn't anyone tell them Socialism doesn't work?

The German work ethic and self-accountability allows it to work.

Here ?

Not so much.

More takee than givee and feel they're entitled to do so.

De-evolution against a primal drive in the form of an EBT card.

Guy, as someone whose father was born in Germany---

Bullshit.

Germans aren't any different than Americans. They have the same mix of industrious and lazy that most people have.

The problem you don't get is that they don't let people starve, and they make damned sure that as many of them get to work as possible. Germany doesn't sign awful trade treaties and let its workers get screwed in teh deal. They protect their industries.

You admire the Vaterland so much, Joey, I'll happily chip in for your one-way ticket!