No one is going to take your guns

[Ernie S.]

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Those countries lack a leech class as a societal norm and are not overrun with, nor do they tolerate illegal immigrants.

Sex in Holland is foreigner / tourist racket (both provider and client) and contraception is mandatory.

Again evidence of self-accountable people.

What they have is welfare without shame.

They also protect their industries and put employment above profits, but let's look at welfare benefits in Germany.

Keeping in mind that Germany was the first country to develop both social security AND universal health care... let's look at this.

The system is designed to help people in need and is thus also known as the “social net”. This is necessary, above all, for poor people, i.e. those with a disposable income of less than 781 Euro a month, about 13% of the Germans. A further 13% are protected from the same fate by means of state benefit payments. They receive welfare aid, housing allowance, maintenance support and other benefits. However, it is not only the impoverished who receive social benefits in Germany, but also old people, bereaved dependants, sick persons and invalids, children, parents, the unemployed and the job-seekers. For all of these Germany has been spending at least 700 bn Euro a year since the beginning of the 21st century. In 2007 it was 706.9 bn Euro, almost 22 times as much as in 1960. Also in terms of percentage of the GDP the costs have risen enormously in the last 40 years. In 1960 just under 21% of public revenue went into the welfare budget, in 1970 it was 23% and in 2007 29%.

Wow! Didn't anyone tell them Socialism doesn't work?

There in lies the problem. People who live off the labor of others, should be ashamed.
People who are able to work should be working, whether it is picking up garbage in the park or scrubbing toilets for rich people.

 

[Ernie S.]

What they have is welfare without shame.

Wow! Didn't anyone tell them Socialism doesn't work?

The German work ethic and self-accountability allows it to work.

Here ?

Not so much.

More takee than givee and feel they're entitled to do so.

De-evolution against a primal drive in the form of an EBT card.

Guy, as someone whose father was born in Germany---

Bullshit.

Germans aren't any different than Americans. They have the same mix of industrious and lazy that most people have.

The problem you don't get is that they don't let people starve, and they make damned sure that as many of them get to work as possible. Germany doesn't sign awful trade treaties and let its workers get screwed in teh deal. They protect their industries.

No one is starving here. Some people may not be eating Fillet Mignon twice a week, but they aren't starving.

 

[Ernie S.]

The German work ethic and self-accountability allows it to work.

Here ?

Not so much.

More takee than givee and feel they're entitled to do so.

De-evolution against a primal drive in the form of an EBT card.

Guy, as someone whose father was born in Germany---

Bullshit.

Germans aren't any different than Americans. They have the same mix of industrious and lazy that most people have.

The problem you don't get is that they don't let people starve, and they make damned sure that as many of them get to work as possible. Germany doesn't sign awful trade treaties and let its workers get screwed in teh deal. They protect their industries.

You admire the Vaterland so much, Joey, I'll happily chip in for your one-way ticket!

He can ride half way there on my boot.

 

[JoeB131]

Well, here's the thing, guy, I'm actually concerned about keeping your families safe.

And when a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy, that's probably a legitimate cause of concern.

How about if you worry about your own family and let me worry about mine?

PinkoJoe wants the government to make all his life's decisions for him, so he projects his inadequacies on everyone else.

And while he can't make his own decisions, he paradoxically thinks he can make them for you and your family.

Progressives are kinda stupid like that.

Guy, the problem is, your decisions don't apply to just you.

For instance, if Adam Lanza, Second Amendment Poster Boy, had just killed himself and his mother, well, that would be the business of their family.

Unfortunately, Adam killed 26 other people who really didn't have a say in that family's gun-nuttery.

And if you guys aren't willing to do what it takes to keep guns out of the hands of Adam Lanza.

Nobody gets them.

 

[JoeB131]

I will repeat what I have shown you 4 or 5 times in the past. If you insist on using Kellerman's bogus numbers, I'll post a thread to discuss Kellerman, OK?

Several academic papers have been published severely questioning Kellerman's methodology, selective capture of data, and refusal to provide raw data from his gun-risk studies so as to substantiate his methods and result validity. While Kellerman has backed away from his previous statement that people are “43 times more likely” to be murdered in their own home if they own and keep a gun in their home, he still proposes that the risk is 2.7 times higher. The critiques included Henry E. Schaffer,[7] J. Neil Schuman, and criminologists Gary Kleck,[8] Don Kates, and others.[9]

Additional reading on the subject:

Guy, I've discussed Kellerman with you as much as I'm going to.

Stomping your little feet and saying, "I don't want Kellerman to be true" isn't an argument. It wasn't an argument before I put you on ignore, it's not an argument now.

 

[JoeB131]

Did you know that JFK was a life long member of the NRA

Yeah, but that was before the NRA went nuts.

The NRA used to support sensible gun laws.

For instance, when the Black Panthers armed themselves in the 1960's. (After a couple of their members were shot by police in their sleep) Governor Ronald Reagan signed a law against


Black Panthers and Gun Control: The NRA's Flip Flop - The Root

Then Gov. Ronald Reagan, now lauded as the patron saint of modern conservatism, told reporters in California that he saw "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons." Reagan claimed that the Mulford Act, as it became known, "would work no hardship on the honest citizen." The NRA actually helped craft similar legislation in states across the country.

So what has changed?

Basically, the country did. Hunting fell out of fashion as a sport, kind of being reduced from a middle class passtime to the passtime of sadistic rednecks. The number of homes with a firearm in them dropped from 60% in the 1950's to about 39% today.

Then the gun industry decided, we need to sell as many guns to that 39% as we can. And we can only do that if they are really, really scared. So we make darn sure there are enough loopholes to keep the crooks and the crazy armed so other people will want guns, too.

 

[JoeB131]

Nobody gives a shit about keeping YOU safe, we just want to keep our FAMILIES safe. You can die for all we care.

Well, here's the thing, guy, I'm actually concerned about keeping your families safe.

And when a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy, that's probably a legitimate cause of concern.

How about if you worry about your own family and let me worry about mine?

when you can give me an absolute assurance no one in your (hypothetical) family is going to go off his or her meds and go on a school shooting rampage, you have a deal.

Oh, wait. You can't do that. Because you oppose background checks and mental health checkups. Because you think gun ownership is a "right".

Again, the problem with "anyone who wants a gun can have them" is that anyone can get them.

Including dangerous criminals and mentally ill people.

 

[Geaux4it]

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Since police are not obligated to come to your aid, who will?

-Geaux

Or maybe you just let the guy take your TV, and be done with it.

Because, frankly, you guys keep talking about how you are keeping us safe, but I'm a lot more concerned about the gun nuts than I am about criminals.

Very interesting. Please tell us more on the virtues of allowing criminals to commit crimes upon our property and person? I would like to hear your reasoning

-Geaux

 

[Geaux4it]

How about if you worry about your own family and let me worry about mine?

PinkoJoe wants the government to make all his life's decisions for him, so he projects his inadequacies on everyone else.

And while he can't make his own decisions, he paradoxically thinks he can make them for you and your family.

Progressives are kinda stupid like that.

Guy, the problem is, your decisions don't apply to just you.

For instance, if Adam Lanza, Second Amendment Poster Boy, had just killed himself and his mother, well, that would be the business of their family.

Unfortunately, Adam killed 26 other people who really didn't have a say in that family's gun-nuttery.

And if you guys aren't willing to do what it takes to keep guns out of the hands of Adam Lanza.

Nobody gets them.

Laws are already in place to prevent the mentally ill from buying firearms. Like Biden said, none of the past proposed laws would prevent another mass shooting. Only thing that might, is for a good guy with a gun who is present to stop the bad guy

-Geaux

 

[Jarlaxle]

I will repeat what I have shown you 4 or 5 times in the past. If you insist on using Kellerman's bogus numbers, I'll post a thread to discuss Kellerman, OK?

Several academic papers have been published severely questioning Kellerman's methodology, selective capture of data, and refusal to provide raw data from his gun-risk studies so as to substantiate his methods and result validity. While Kellerman has backed away from his previous statement that people are “43 times more likely” to be murdered in their own home if they own and keep a gun in their home, he still proposes that the risk is 2.7 times higher. The critiques included Henry E. Schaffer,[7] J. Neil Schuman, and criminologists Gary Kleck,[8] Don Kates, and others.[9]

Additional reading on the subject:

Guy, I've discussed Kellerman with you as much as I'm going to.

Stomping your little feet and saying, "I don't want Kellerman to be true" isn't an argument. It wasn't an argument before I put you on ignore, it's not an argument now.

Translation: "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!

You'd be funny if you weren't so pathetic, Joey.

 

[Geaux4it]

I will repeat what I have shown you 4 or 5 times in the past. If you insist on using Kellerman's bogus numbers, I'll post a thread to discuss Kellerman, OK?

Additional reading on the subject:

Guy, I've discussed Kellerman with you as much as I'm going to.

Stomping your little feet and saying, "I don't want Kellerman to be true" isn't an argument. It wasn't an argument before I put you on ignore, it's not an argument now.

Translation: "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!

You'd be funny if you weren't so pathetic, Joey.

Whhhaaah, I'm going to put you on ignore. Whhhaaaahhh....

GMAFB- I don't use ignore period. Scratch that, I used to have one troll on the list but I took him off after his little 'vacation'. The ignore list is a cop out for those who can't handle the pressure.

-Geaux

 

[JoeB131]

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Since police are not obligated to come to your aid, who will?

-Geaux

Or maybe you just let the guy take your TV, and be done with it.

Because, frankly, you guys keep talking about how you are keeping us safe, but I'm a lot more concerned about the gun nuts than I am about criminals.

Very interesting. Please tell us more on the virtues of allowing criminals to commit crimes upon our property and person? I would like to hear your reasoning

-Geaux

Okay, here you go.

It's 1987, when I was off on manuevers. When I got back, someone had broken into my place and took my TV set. Wasn't even a good TV set. They also swiped my VCR.

You know what, I got over it.

Now, imagine in your sick gun nutter fantasy if I had been home and shot that guy.

I think, honestly, I'd be feeling guilty about it for the rest of my life. You and Dave wouldn't. It's a fantasy you have. But you'd probably shit yourself if you ever did.

 

[JoeB131]

Guy, I've discussed Kellerman with you as much as I'm going to.

Stomping your little feet and saying, "I don't want Kellerman to be true" isn't an argument. It wasn't an argument before I put you on ignore, it's not an argument now.

Translation: "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!

You'd be funny if you weren't so pathetic, Joey.

Whhhaaah, I'm going to put you on ignore. Whhhaaaahhh....

GMAFB- I don't use ignore period. Scratch that, I used to have one troll on the list but I took him off after his little 'vacation'. The ignore list is a cop out for those who can't handle the pressure.

-Geaux

Actually, I put Ernie on my ignore list because he kept harrassing me with PM's.

 

[JoeB131]

Laws are already in place to prevent the mentally ill from buying firearms. Like Biden said, none of the past proposed laws would prevent another mass shooting. Only thing that might, is for a good guy with a gun who is present to stop the bad guy

-Geaux

A good guy with a gun never happens. Never, not once.

Usually because the bad guy has emptied his clip into the crowd before the good guys can even assess the situation.

And the laws in place are CLEARLY inadequate if Lanza, Cho, Loughner and Holmes can get guns.

 

[Geaux4it]

Translation: "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!

You'd be funny if you weren't so pathetic, Joey.

Whhhaaah, I'm going to put you on ignore. Whhhaaaahhh....

GMAFB- I don't use ignore period. Scratch that, I used to have one troll on the list but I took him off after his little 'vacation'. The ignore list is a cop out for those who can't handle the pressure.

-Geaux

Actually, I put Ernie on my ignore list because he kept harrassing me with PM's.

Oh, that could be a PITA.

I like hearing what the loons from the left are thinking. Helps explain the actions of both parties in Washington

-Geaux

 

[eagle1462010]

Laws are already in place to prevent the mentally ill from buying firearms. Like Biden said, none of the past proposed laws would prevent another mass shooting. Only thing that might, is for a good guy with a gun who is present to stop the bad guy

-Geaux

A good guy with a gun never happens. Never, not once.

Usually because the bad guy has emptied his clip into the crowd before the good guys can even assess the situation.

And the laws in place are CLEARLY inadequate if Lanza, Cho, Loughner and Holmes can get guns.

LOL

Joe the Super Lib continues to post his Liberal Utopia...........

There are laws to not speed. People violate that law all the time.
There are laws to not sell alcohol to underage, and the law is violated all the time.

Criminals by nature don't give a rats ass about the law. That's why they are called criminals, and you would punish the innocent, LAW ABIDING CITIZENS for the actions of the Criminals..............

Guns don't kill, people kill. And more GUBERMENT laws aren't going to change that. But since you are a classic Statist you don't care.........

Your posts about Rednecks hunting and chit like that just make you a liberal loon, and there is simply no cure for LIBERAL LUNACY...........

 

[eagle1462010]

$500 Reward for Reporting ?Illegal Guns? In New York // Mr. Conservative

Operation Safe Streets...............

Turn in your neighbors for $500. Ain't that cute................

 

[eagle1462010]

Guns and Self Defense | Cato Institute



click on the map and see were guns were used in Self Defense...............

Stories that Joe the Super Liberal hates.


Name: Neighbor Stops Pit Bull Attack

State: PA

Description:
A pit bull became so aggressive that it attacked and killed another dog and seriously injured a woman. The attack only stopped when a neighbor heard the woman's screams, came outside, and fired a shot that killed the pit bull. The woman was rushed to the hospital and her puppy later died. It was a vicious dog, my puppy was ripped to shreds. And my daughter's in the hospital now," said Jill Kidwell, the puppy's owner, after the attack.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Laws are already in place to prevent the mentally ill from buying firearms. Like Biden said, none of the past proposed laws would prevent another mass shooting. Only thing that might, is for a good guy with a gun who is present to stop the bad guy

-Geaux

A good guy with a gun never happens. Never, not once.

Usually because the bad guy has emptied his clip into the crowd before the good guys can even assess the situation.

And the laws in place are CLEARLY inadequate if Lanza, Cho, Loughner and Holmes can get guns.

Every time I think I have seen the stupidest POSSIBLE statement posted...Joey squats and squeezes out a jewel like this. Boy, does it HURT to be THIS FUCKIN STUPID?

 

[eagle1462010]

Do you have time to call 9/11 to stop the Pit Bull from tearing the woman to shreds Joe.................

The dog will perfectly understand that it will not continue the attack for another 5 minutes waiting for the police to show up and then kill the evil dog with the evil gun...................

It wasn't over a T.V. set Joe...........

Joe..............Joe..................The lady who shot and killed the dog was evil joe, because she owned a gun Joe...........

Joe.............Joe................