No More Foreign Wars

[longly]

Yes, the Nationality Act of 1940. That was 84 years ago. And they are not even "Naturalized Citizens", they are "Natural Born Citizens". And guess what? That citizenship can not be revoked unless Puerto Rico becomes an independent nation and the people living there decide to remain instead of moving to the US (such as what happened in the Philippines). Either that, or the US Supreme Court passes a decision that the Nationality Act of 1940 and others since then are Unconstitutional. Congress can pass a law granting citizenship, but it can not pass a law to strip that away.

In fact, there have been many Supreme Court cases related to this already. Such as conviction in a military Court Martial can not strip away that citizenship. Congress can at most strip away the right for future children born there, it can not revoke the citizenship of those that are already citizens.

I enjoy interacting with you; your reasonable, intelligent, and knowledgeable. I can learn a lot from you and of course like anyone you can be wrong, but I don't hold that against anyone. We have wondered off path here; I considered opening a new thread, but I have said about all I have to say on the subject, except I don't think they really want to be a state they are just worried about what independence would cost them economically.


I base my opinion that Congress can free Puerto Rico and take back citizenship on the constitution. Perhaps it would be fair to give the individual the option to move to a state or give up his US citizenship, but there is nothing in the Constitution that requires Congress to be fair. see below:


Article IV, Section 3, Clause 2:
The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State., Section 3, Clause 2:

 

[Mushroom]

I don't think they really want to be a state

Actually, that has been discussed already multiple times in here. But in short, the People of Puerto Rico have spoken loudly and clearly multiple times on that very subject. They want to be a US State.

Just last month there was a referendum on the ballot about that very question. And here is the results:

Statehood: 56.82%
Free Association: 30.85%
Independence: 12.33%

It is not even close, every single municipality in Puerto Rico (their equivalent of a county) clearly stated that they want Statehood.

So you are wrong, the people of Puerto Rico very much want to become a state. However, doing so will reduce the power of the local politicians, so they oppose it. Every single political party in Puerto Rico opposes statehood, as it puts them more under the power of Congress and less the semi-autonomy they have now (interestingly, the only party that supported it was the non-registered Republican Party). That is why even though their own population and Congress have told them multiple times to take the next steps (draft a State Constitution and petition Congress for Statehood) they have never taken that step. They have yet to even propose a Constitutional Convention to draft a State Constitution, and until that happens it will remain exactly how it is.

And they can only revoke the citizenship if Puerto Rico was to decide to become an independent nation. Something which only 12.33% of the population wants under the referendum last month.

 

[Picaro]

My father and uncles thought Filipinos were great people and should have been allowed to come and go to the U.S. and work here without needing visas or passports; they were great allies in WW II. Puerto Ricans have also done more than their share re military service. I understand why FDR was dedicated to de-colonization around the world, but in some cases it was throwing the baby out with the bath water, not just in our case but our allies as well. Hong Kong's independence only left them vulnerable to take over by Red China, for instance.

 

[Deadstick]

The media lied about Iraq attacking Kuwait? The media lied about Russia attacking Afghanistan? The media lied about 9/11? The media lied about the 7 October 2003 Hamas attack on Israel?

If course, one must remember he was already a convicted felon in the 1990s, pleading guilty in Australia for hacking back in 1996. Then after getting caught at it again, fled to Sweden after being charged with sexual molestation of minors in the UK. Then when it looked like Sweden was going to extradite him, he fled to the Ecuadorian Embassy in 2012 where he was granted political asylum. That is, until 2019 when Ecuador revoked that after he hacked their own systems and released sensitive information.

And amazingly, he claimed he was dying, up until he was released from prison in 2024.

Nothing he takes should ever be taken seriously. The guy is an Attention Whore First Class.

He exposed among other things US war crimes in Iraq, that is why they went after him, period.

 

[Deadstick]

My father and uncles thought Filipinos were great people and should have been allowed to come and go to the U.S. and work here without needing visas or passports; they were great allies in WW II. Puerto Ricans have also done more than their share re military service. I understand why FDR was dedicated to de-colonization around the world, but in some cases it was throwing the baby out with the bath water, not just in our case but our allies as well. Hong Kong's independence only left them vulnerable to take over by Red China, for instance.

Hong Kong was a British Colony but many of the population still have the mentality of slaves.

 

[Picaro]

Hong Kong was a British Colony but many of the population still have the mentality of slaves.

lol sure thing, gimp.

 

[Deadstick]

lol sure thing, gimp.

Yes sure thing.

 

[Picaro]

Yes sure thing.

There, feel better now that you got some male attention today? Run and show Mommy!

 

[Deadstick]

Well the people of New Orleans got some blowback from the head hacking thugs you have supported for years, pity the maniac killed innocents and not the criminal politicians who are responsible, Biden has the blood of those people on his hands, you just put one of their leaders in power in Syria, you should read Frankenstein, that's what happens when the monster you created gets out of control the same monsters you have employed since the Russians were in Afghanistan, and what was fake news about Assange exposing US war crimes?

 

[Mushroom]

He exposed among other things US war crimes in Iraq, that is why they went after him, period.

Fine. Then again, his organization also released absolute proof that Iraq did indeed have chemical weapons and had used them.

Care to talk about that?

 

[Mushroom]

Hong Kong was a British Colony but many of the population still have the mentality of slaves.

Right, that is why they are being suppressed by China. Because they are "slaves".

 

[Mushroom]

Well the people of New Orleans got some blowback from the head hacking thugs you have supported for years, pity the maniac killed innocents and not the criminal politicians who are responsible

Hold on a second, are you actually praising a terrorist that has killed at least 15 people?

OK, with this I am officially done. I simply can not comprehend people who have such a lack of morals that they celebrate the murder of others.

 

[Zavulon]

Hold on a second, are you actually praising a terrorist that has killed at least 15 people?

OK, with this I am officially done. I simply can not comprehend people who have such a lack of morals that they celebrate the murder of others.

But you do support Ukrainian terrorists, don't you? Or is it somehow different?

When pro-Ukrainian Nazies kill Russians its good, and when they kill Americans - it is bad, right?

 

[longly]

But you do support Ukrainian terrorists, don't you? Or is it somehow different?

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When pro-Ukrainian Nazies kill Russians its good, and when they kill Americans - it is bad, right?

Yes, it is unfortunate that the innocents have to die because of a tyrant like Putin, but the Russians are the aggressors. I realize that many of the Russians fighting in Ukraine are good people, but if they win the world becomes a worst place. I pray Putin has a heart attack, dies and saves the lives of many Russian young men.

 

[Zavulon]

Yes, it is unfortunate that the innocents have to die because of a tyrant like Putin, but the Russians are the aggressors. I realize that many of the Russians fighting in Ukraine are good people, but if they win the world becomes a worst place. I pray Putin has a heart attack, dies and saves the lives of many Russian young men.

It's not about your goals (while you are totally wrong about Russia being aggressor, I think you believe that you are the good guys here). It's all about the tools you use. You raised Al Kaeda - you've got 911 and "the war on terror". You raised Ukrainian terrorists, and you are going to have much more serious troubles.
And no, whoever comes on the Putin's place will escalate the war.

 

[PeterPilot]

Ukraine is not Vietnam. We have no troops there.

I'm not certain, but most likely we DO have troops there, maybe just "advisors" as we had in Vietnam's early days, and some US troops have been killed there.

 

[AZrailwhale]

It's not about your goals (while you are totally wrong about Russia being aggressor, I think you believe that you are the good guys here). It's all about the tools you use. You raised Al Kaeda - you've got 911 and "the war on terror". You raised Ukrainian terrorists, and you are going to have much more serious troubles.
And no, whoever comes on the Putin's place will escalate the war.

Russia IS the aggressor. It has invaded Georgia and Ukraine in recent years and the Baltics and Eastern Europe before that. In fact, Russia was implicit in the start of WWII when it invaded Poland in conjunction with its Nazi allies in 1939. Your paranoia had caused nothing but misery for your neighbors since 1917.

 

[Zavulon]

Russia IS the aggressor.

No.

It has invaded Georgia

It was self-defense after Georgia's attack on Russian peacekeepers and mass-murders of Russian civilians in South Ossetia.

and Ukraine

Collective self defense after Ukrainian attack against Russian allies - DPR and LPR.

in recent years and the Baltics

They willingly invited Soviet forces and willingly joined Soviet Union.

and Eastern Europe before that.

Russia took Eastern (and part of central) Europe because Europe, united by Germany attacked Russia.

In fact, Russia was implicit in the start of WWII when it invaded Poland in conjunction with its Nazi allies in 1939.

No. First, it was Poland, who in conjunction with Nazies, invaded Czechoslovakia, ally of the Soviet Union. So, it was totally legal collective self-defense. Second, Russia didn't invade Poland, because a) Polish state didn't exist anymore b) Soviet Union just liberated rightfully Russian lands of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus.

Your paranoia had caused nothing but misery for your neighbors since 1917.

Its better be a bit paranoid, but survive, rather than believe in western goodwill and be genocided.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Buzz off to your own country and leave us alone

All the countries in the world said ditto.

 

[eagle1462010]

All the countries in the world said ditto.

Ok. We bring our military back home use them on our border