SavannahMann
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This is going to be long, and there is literally no way to make it shorter. I’m sorry.
It’s taken a while for the picture to make sense regarding the Russian actions during the election. There were several problems with every scenario put forth. They did not match the information, they just didn’t make sense.
To cover a couple of these, start with the favorite of the Never Trump folks. That Trump worked some sort of secret deal to get elected President with the Russians. This supposedly happened when Trump was the joke of the campaign. When his candidacy was commented on with laughter. I could include the same old video with the experts laughing as they swear that Trump will never be President. But why? We’ve seen it all before. It didn’t make sense. The Russians would not expend money and effort to get Gluefactory Reject to the Kentucky Derby. Getting behind Trump when they supposedly did would be the same as betting long money a year before that Gluefactory Reject would win the Derby. It was insane.
The next problem, was the hacked emails. The argument that this was always part of the plan. If the DNC had been honest, then hacking the emails would have been a waste of time. The same with Podesta of Hillary’s campaign. First, getting access should have been nearly impossible. Second, there shouldn’t have been anything worth getting. Why would a burglar break into a house, and try to break into a nearly impenetrable safe to steal costume jewelry?
The next thing that didn’t fit any of the narratives was the undeniable fact that Hillary had just as long of a history with the Russians as Trump and his associates. Bill’s famous speech, the Uranium deal, all of it. Hillary’s history is the reason why I said I would not vote for her the day before she announced.
None of the explanations to date have included all the information, none of them have been able to explain the obvious problems. Now, I think the picture is starting to clear. It didn’t matter who won.
First, you have to remember that the Russians are actually pretty smart. They aren’t idiots. They aren’t morons. They aren’t buffoons. They are savvy and they are clever. The reactive armor systems that they use are brilliant. They actually have better tanks than we do because of it. Yes, I mean just that. Their tanks are superior to ours. Perhaps we can start a thread in the Military section and I’ll explain why, but for now, just accept that their tanks are pretty much awesome.
These are not backwards people, they are smart, and they are famous for bringing out deep thinking individuals.
Now, what brought the picture into focus? Two of the last pieces of information. First, The Hill reported this. Thousands attended protest organized by Russians on Facebook
Then I read about Facebook and Google testifying on the Hill. Russia-backed Facebook posts 'reached 126m Americans' during US election
The ads that were put out were designed to crank up debate, and strong emotions, on both sides of the aisle during the campaign. The only reason for that is to make the divide between right and left as wide as possible. To focus on our differences, to pit one brother against another.
No sooner was Trump elected, than the focus shifted, the effort shifted to further delegitimize Trump. To drive the divisions deep, and wide.
Now, this is a Russian type of plan. It is exactly the kind of plan they used during the Second World War that destroyed the German Army. It is exactly the kind of plan they used to drive the West back. No matter what you do, you lose.
When I was being trained as a Combat Engineer, I was taught to plan not only on how to ambush the enemy, but how to cut off their escape routes. We called this effort using land mines as a Break or Relay. No matter which way they turned, they died. No matter what they did, they died. My understanding was that we learned it in Vietnam. It took patience, and experience, and intelligence to design those kinds of ambushes. Where a few people could take out a much larger enemy force by being smart.
This is starting to look like a classic ambush of that sort. No matter who we elected, we lost. Remember Hillary was the front runner. The odds of her becoming President were above 80%. The idea that a year before, the Russians saw a way to upset this is ridiculous. The Russians rarely bet on a long shot. Betting on Trump when he was polling at about 2% against Hillary’s 40% is just insane.
But the Russians wanted revenge. Revenge over what we had done to them. Yes, we started it. We ginned up the war in Syria. That by the way is undeniable, and please don’t make me walk you through that again. Hillary was a major force behind it. When it failed, there are many who believe that the CIA ginned up the RW revolution in the Ukraine that caused the Russians to use the soft takeover to secure their interests in the Crimean Peninsula. In both cases, a Naval Base was threatened.
So sewing discord in the ones threatening you is a smart move. Again, it didn’t matter who won, we lost.
Let’s say that Hillary won. Then the part that had not elected her would be shouting and screaming and it would be that she was “Not my President”. Remember, this was the expected outcome. That we would have Hillary as President with a Republican controlled House by a wide margin, and probably Republican Senate. At least two more years, probably four, of Executive Action President with nothing getting through Congress.
No matter who won, we lost. The divide between the two camps would be wider than ever, and the international tensions coupled with domestic difficulties would hamstring anyone.
Even now, we are playing the game the Russians set into motion. Let’s say Trump is impeached, or forced to resign. Then we have Pence. So nothing gained, and the disgust and dissatisfaction with the Government increases. Pence resignes, and we have Ryan. The dissatisfaction increases. Perhaps the Democrats win, but they win a nation teetering on the brink of a civil war. No way to unify, no way to bring the two sides together. But unification isn’t even a goal of either side. They both want the other side destroyed, demolished, and utterly defeated. The left wants the right to be thrown from Government, discredited, and even labeled as traitors. The insanity of race relations has gotten so far from the inspiring words of Dr. King that we are on the verge of a Race War. The Right wants the Socialist Left to be slaughtered in the streets.
We may be headed into another war with Russia, and we’ve already lost.
It’s taken a while for the picture to make sense regarding the Russian actions during the election. There were several problems with every scenario put forth. They did not match the information, they just didn’t make sense.
To cover a couple of these, start with the favorite of the Never Trump folks. That Trump worked some sort of secret deal to get elected President with the Russians. This supposedly happened when Trump was the joke of the campaign. When his candidacy was commented on with laughter. I could include the same old video with the experts laughing as they swear that Trump will never be President. But why? We’ve seen it all before. It didn’t make sense. The Russians would not expend money and effort to get Gluefactory Reject to the Kentucky Derby. Getting behind Trump when they supposedly did would be the same as betting long money a year before that Gluefactory Reject would win the Derby. It was insane.
The next problem, was the hacked emails. The argument that this was always part of the plan. If the DNC had been honest, then hacking the emails would have been a waste of time. The same with Podesta of Hillary’s campaign. First, getting access should have been nearly impossible. Second, there shouldn’t have been anything worth getting. Why would a burglar break into a house, and try to break into a nearly impenetrable safe to steal costume jewelry?
The next thing that didn’t fit any of the narratives was the undeniable fact that Hillary had just as long of a history with the Russians as Trump and his associates. Bill’s famous speech, the Uranium deal, all of it. Hillary’s history is the reason why I said I would not vote for her the day before she announced.
None of the explanations to date have included all the information, none of them have been able to explain the obvious problems. Now, I think the picture is starting to clear. It didn’t matter who won.
First, you have to remember that the Russians are actually pretty smart. They aren’t idiots. They aren’t morons. They aren’t buffoons. They are savvy and they are clever. The reactive armor systems that they use are brilliant. They actually have better tanks than we do because of it. Yes, I mean just that. Their tanks are superior to ours. Perhaps we can start a thread in the Military section and I’ll explain why, but for now, just accept that their tanks are pretty much awesome.
These are not backwards people, they are smart, and they are famous for bringing out deep thinking individuals.
Now, what brought the picture into focus? Two of the last pieces of information. First, The Hill reported this. Thousands attended protest organized by Russians on Facebook
Then I read about Facebook and Google testifying on the Hill. Russia-backed Facebook posts 'reached 126m Americans' during US election
The ads that were put out were designed to crank up debate, and strong emotions, on both sides of the aisle during the campaign. The only reason for that is to make the divide between right and left as wide as possible. To focus on our differences, to pit one brother against another.
No sooner was Trump elected, than the focus shifted, the effort shifted to further delegitimize Trump. To drive the divisions deep, and wide.
Now, this is a Russian type of plan. It is exactly the kind of plan they used during the Second World War that destroyed the German Army. It is exactly the kind of plan they used to drive the West back. No matter what you do, you lose.
When I was being trained as a Combat Engineer, I was taught to plan not only on how to ambush the enemy, but how to cut off their escape routes. We called this effort using land mines as a Break or Relay. No matter which way they turned, they died. No matter what they did, they died. My understanding was that we learned it in Vietnam. It took patience, and experience, and intelligence to design those kinds of ambushes. Where a few people could take out a much larger enemy force by being smart.
This is starting to look like a classic ambush of that sort. No matter who we elected, we lost. Remember Hillary was the front runner. The odds of her becoming President were above 80%. The idea that a year before, the Russians saw a way to upset this is ridiculous. The Russians rarely bet on a long shot. Betting on Trump when he was polling at about 2% against Hillary’s 40% is just insane.
But the Russians wanted revenge. Revenge over what we had done to them. Yes, we started it. We ginned up the war in Syria. That by the way is undeniable, and please don’t make me walk you through that again. Hillary was a major force behind it. When it failed, there are many who believe that the CIA ginned up the RW revolution in the Ukraine that caused the Russians to use the soft takeover to secure their interests in the Crimean Peninsula. In both cases, a Naval Base was threatened.
So sewing discord in the ones threatening you is a smart move. Again, it didn’t matter who won, we lost.
Let’s say that Hillary won. Then the part that had not elected her would be shouting and screaming and it would be that she was “Not my President”. Remember, this was the expected outcome. That we would have Hillary as President with a Republican controlled House by a wide margin, and probably Republican Senate. At least two more years, probably four, of Executive Action President with nothing getting through Congress.
No matter who won, we lost. The divide between the two camps would be wider than ever, and the international tensions coupled with domestic difficulties would hamstring anyone.
Even now, we are playing the game the Russians set into motion. Let’s say Trump is impeached, or forced to resign. Then we have Pence. So nothing gained, and the disgust and dissatisfaction with the Government increases. Pence resignes, and we have Ryan. The dissatisfaction increases. Perhaps the Democrats win, but they win a nation teetering on the brink of a civil war. No way to unify, no way to bring the two sides together. But unification isn’t even a goal of either side. They both want the other side destroyed, demolished, and utterly defeated. The left wants the right to be thrown from Government, discredited, and even labeled as traitors. The insanity of race relations has gotten so far from the inspiring words of Dr. King that we are on the verge of a Race War. The Right wants the Socialist Left to be slaughtered in the streets.
We may be headed into another war with Russia, and we’ve already lost.
