No Leftist Haters May Read This!

[Jarhead]

There is no difference. The left criticises the right and vice versa.

Criticizing an ideology based on the credibility of ideas is BY NO MEANS the same as criticizing an ideology based on the character of the people WITH that ideology.

To call a conservative a racist becuase we do not believe in tax payer dollars going to healthcare is not the same as saying that conserrvative thinking is wrong as we all need to help one another.

Thursday Quotes: A Lovable Little Fuzzball
October 9, 2008
"I call Obama a squirrel. What's a squirrel? Nothing but a rat with better PR."

Whos quote was that?

 

[Meister]

I always say "there ain't no low that's too low for a demonRat to go but the Tony Snow death came vewy close. they were disgustingly rabid that time.

That must be a loving term of endearment because CON$ are incapable of hate.

Wanna explain your "CON$"?

 

[edthecynic]

You know, the historians say "on man's Mead is another man's Persian"...

I see no whining...merely analysis and exposition.

We may agree on the hate part, but our parallax is a bit different.

Why not use that brain to bring the two sides together instead of stirring the pot of animosity?

Sky D...it is so difficult to be upset with you.

You have a good heart, but sometimes it prevents you from seeing the real world...

Did you read the part of Mr. Prager's article that referred to the Left's view as a religion, in the sense of being utopian?
Have you ever tried to convince someone of a different religion that yours is better?
That is the problem.

Therefore, the best one can do is lay out the truth...as Mr. Prager has done.

And CON$ervatism is a hate religion. So what's your point?

 

[edthecynic]

Criticizing an ideology based on the credibility of ideas is BY NO MEANS the same as criticizing an ideology based on the character of the people WITH that ideology.

To call a conservative a racist becuase we do not believe in tax payer dollars going to healthcare is not the same as saying that conserrvative thinking is wrong as we all need to help one another.

Thursday Quotes: A Lovable Little Fuzzball
October 9, 2008
"I call Obama a squirrel. What's a squirrel? Nothing but a rat with better PR."

Whos quote was that?

Thursday Quotes: A Lovable Little Fuzzball

 

[Coyote]

We probably will not agree here....because I think we come at it from different ideological points of view.

One thing Obama has in common with Hitler that Bush does not have in common with either.....

Obama rose to power based strictly on words and not previous experiences. Only a partisan fool would say that Obama's expoerience is what earned him the election.

Sort of true. His experience was limited but not non-existent. He had served in the State Senate, he had served as a U.S. Senator. In terms of experience, Bush had somewhat more - 5 years as governor of Texas, a large and populous state. I do agree with you on that.

He was elected into power based on his charisma.....he had many marks against him that were completely overlooked and ignored by the masses...marks that would have been the downfall of ANY OTHER CANDIDATE.

Not really - I think just as he had no strong marks for him, he also had no strong marks against him other than "guilt by association" much overblown by the rightwing media. A better comparison to his brand of populism is Ronald Reagan - another candidate who promised hope and change, and invoked an ideolism that was perhaps impossible to achieve.

He made a real estate deal with a convicted felon. That was not so bad alone, but it would have been the downfall of anyone running.

I doubt it - Obama had not done anything wrong, why should that be the downfall for anyone?

He was found to have lied about his true relationship with Bill Ayers. The lie itself (I did not know the man) would have been the downfall for anyone else. The relationship is another thing all together....and that too would have been the downfall of ANY other candidate.

Would it? While Obama was misleading about the extent of the relationship - the punditry in turn blew the extent of the relationship out of proportion to what it really was. Politicians lie and most of the time, the electorate doesn't much care because no one expects a politician to be totally honest. I could be totally cynical here, but I take "truth" from any politician with a hefty dose of salt.

He admitted to not knowing anything about the personality of the man he referred to as his mentor despite kniwing him for 20 years. This lack of such character reading ability would have been the downfall of ANY other candidate. The lack of credibility of this explanation would have also been the downfall of ANY other candidate.

Would it? How many politicians survive close associations with rightwing Evangelical leaders, some of whom have ideas as "radical" as Wright but more palatable (or less frightening) to the American public?

So why do I say allof this?

Dont be so sure about what may happen in our lifetime. We, as Americans have proven that will we vote for President the same way and with the same amount of thought that we will vote for Americvan Idol.

I don't think that is any different then it has been in the last couple of decades. What brought Kennedy and Reagan into office? Experience or charisma?

They did that in Venezuela. DO you think that, 20 years ago, many in that country believed they would be where they are today?

This is not an attack on Obama. To me, he is an ideologue with a vision and likely a two term president ...

Mine is an attack on the thought process of our electorate.

In that I can agree with....there is far too little critical thought, and far too much spin that goes into choosing our officials.

I'm just not so sure that is all that different from times past.

But I could be just way too cynical.

 

[Jarhead]

Thursday Quotes: A Lovable Little Fuzzball
October 9, 2008
"I call Obama a squirrel. What's a squirrel? Nothing but a rat with better PR."

Whos quote was that?

Thursday Quotes: A Lovable Little Fuzzball

Oh Jeez.

I am a consertvative and I se Rush as an entertainer as I saw Don Rickles an entertainer.
The only difference?

I enjoyed watching Don Rickels.

 

[Meister]

Whos quote was that?

Thursday Quotes: A Lovable Little Fuzzball

Oh Jeez.

I am a consertvative and I se Rush as an entertainer as I saw Don Rickles an entertainer.
The only difference?

I enjoyed watching Don Rickels.

You forget that edthe$ynic thinks that Rush is the leader of the republican party.

 

[edthecynic]

Criticizing an ideology based on the credibility of ideas is BY NO MEANS the same as criticizing an ideology based on the character of the people WITH that ideology.

To call a conservative a racist becuase we do not believe in tax payer dollars going to healthcare is not the same as saying that conserrvative thinking is wrong as we all need to help one another.

ahh yes

the hate and switch routine....


cons regularly say things like;

"blacks are lazy and shiftless
blakcs are violent and thieves
blacks are less intelligent
blacks refuse to work and want everything just given to them"

then
when someone says...golly...that sounds awfully racist to me...

you immediately SWITCH to;

"racist?
just because I said I don't want tax payer dollars going to healthcare ?"

THAT makes me racist?"

you cons are insane
and liars

go ahead and link us to that please.

Your wish is my command.

December 5, 2007
RUSH: It's ignorance, and we pay a huge price for this. The biggest price we pay for ignorance is electing so damn many Democrats, which is one of the biggest obstacles to progress and success in this country for the individual human being that I have ever encountered. It is ignorance. Devotion to ignorance, bliss, blissful ignorance, is the only explanation for the election of Democrats.

October 8, 2008
RUSH: I want you to be prepared. There are plenty of stupid people, and they are going to vote for Obama.

 

[Jarhead]

Coyote....

Bear in mind.....

Unlike congresspeople and Senators.....Presidential candidates are ALWAYS held to a higher standard.

Dean lost his bid due to his "enthusiasm".
I dont believe the same would ever hold true for a senator or congressperson.

Hart lost his bid due to his association with a boat that had some "promiscuous" women on board...the Boat was named Monkey Business and there was no evidence or even an accusation that Gary Hart did anything wrong. HE WAS SIMPLY ON THE BOAT with dozens of other people...and there were some women that MAY HAVE been paid to be on it...but that too, was never proven.
There were congresspeople and Senators on that boat as well. Had no affect on them!

I disagree Coyote...

Presidential candidates have always been held to the highest of standards.....

In my eyes, Obama dodged many bullets that would have been the downfall of any other candidate.

We, as voters, should show our appreciation for the privelage to vote. Put time and thought into it.

 

[edthecynic]

Thursday Quotes: A Lovable Little Fuzzball

Oh Jeez.

I am a consertvative and I se Rush as an entertainer as I saw Don Rickles an entertainer.
The only difference?

I enjoyed watching Don Rickels.

You forget that edthe$ynic thinks that Rush is the leader of the republican party.

July 7, 2010
RUSH: Wait a minute. Why don't you blame Steele? I mean, the whole point of the RNC is fundraising. The RNC chairman is not a media star and he's not a pundit. He's supposed to be a fundraiser. He doesn't speak to policy and so forth. He's not technically or even in theory the leader of the party. That's me.

 

[Jarhead]

Thursday Quotes: A Lovable Little Fuzzball

Oh Jeez.

I am a consertvative and I se Rush as an entertainer as I saw Don Rickles an entertainer.
The only difference?

I enjoyed watching Don Rickels.

You forget that edthe$ynic thinks that Rush is the leader of the republican party.

Yes. I see that.

 

[Jarhead]

Oh Jeez.

I am a consertvative and I se Rush as an entertainer as I saw Don Rickles an entertainer.
The only difference?

I enjoyed watching Don Rickels.

You forget that edthe$ynic thinks that Rush is the leader of the republican party.

July 7, 2010
RUSH: Wait a minute. Why don't you blame Steele? I mean, the whole point of the RNC is fundraising. The RNC chairman is not a media star and he's not a pundit. He's supposed to be a fundraiser. He doesn't speak to policy and so forth. He's not technically or even in theory the leader of the party. That's me.

MY little one claims to be the father of the house.
SO I guess that means it must be fact.

Good stuff. Now give it a rest.

 

[Bfgrn]

'But while there is plenty of conservative anger over this fact, there is little or nothing on the right to match the left's hatred of conservative individuals.'
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REALLY PC? How about murder and domestic terrorism from the right?

How about the Pentagon shooter, the Holocaust Museum gunman, the kamikaze pilot who flew his plane into an IRS building in Austin, Texas, and the Pittsburgh cop-killer who set up an ambush because he was convinced Obama was going to take away his guns?

And what about Byron Williams? He was just picked up by the California Highway Patrol. The right-wing Williams; a government-hating, gun-toting nut who strapped on his body armor, stocked a pickup truck with guns and ammo, and set off up the California coast to San Francisco in order to start killing employees at the previously obscure Tides Foundation in hopes of sparking a political revolution.

Ever hear of the Tides Foundation? Glenn Beck highlighted claims that before he started targeting a little-known, left-leaning organization called the Tides Foundation on his Fox News TV show, "nobody knew" what the non-profit was.

Indeed, for more than a year Beck has been portraying the progressive organization as a central player in a larger, nefarious cabal of Marxist/socialist/Nazi Obama-loving outlets determined to destroy democracy in America. Beck has routinely smeared the low-profile entity for being staffed by "thugs" and "bullies" and involved in "the nasty of the nastiest," like indoctrinating schoolchildren and creating a "mass organization to seize power."

Or how about Andrew Breitbart's website recently tagged Obama as the "suicide-bomber-in-chief"?

Or, the Washington Times just last week published an op-ed -- by a former congressman, no less -- asserting the president poses more of a threat to America than al Qaeda?
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And you drag out neocon Dennis Prager, who even a Jew calls a Super-Jew Neocon and a fascist?

 

[edthecynic]

Your first example had this as the second paragraph:

The president did not name Obama or any other Democrat, but White House aides privately acknowledged the remarks were aimed at the presidential candidate and others in his party. Former President Jimmy Carter has called for talks with Hamas.

Now, is that demonizing? Obama himself said he believed appeasing them is a better direction to go. ANd comparing the situation to Hitler hgas nothing to do with Hitler. The truth is, it was believed it best to appease Hitler than antagonize him...who was it...I forgot his name.....dam, I am getting old...or my mother was right when she said "trhem there drugs is gonna killl your brain cells and affect your memory when you get older"

Where did he say that?

Comparing any modern situation or politician to Hitler is demonization no matter how slice and dice it....I don't think you can get around that. hehehe....yer Mom must be right....but that's ok. we can be old farts together

I disagree. There were some great lessons learned by the rise and fall of Hitler....and we should never be afraid to compare our present actions to it...and it has nothing to do with Hitler being a murderer. ANd by no means is Obama a Hitler. But there is one great comparison. They both took power based striclty on Charisma and not based on previous experiences...and by no means based on ideology.

Hitler was an ideologue. He campaigned with charisma and took power due to his charisma. His adversaries let their guard down as his charisma was overwhelming. They learned to regret it.

I wonder where the people of Venezuela would be today iof the opponents of Chavez were smart enough to use the example of Hitler as he was camapaigning.

But I digress.

You may have a point there! CON$ervative ideologue Reagan won on his charisma!!!

 

[Jarhead]

'But while there is plenty of conservative anger over this fact, there is little or nothing on the right to match the left's hatred of conservative individuals.'
-----------------------------

REALLY PC? How about murder and domestic terrorism from the right?

How about the Pentagon shooter, the Holocaust Museum gunman, the kamikaze pilot who flew his plane into an IRS building in Austin, Texas, and the Pittsburgh cop-killer who set up an ambush because he was convinced Obama was going to take away his guns?

And what about Byron Williams? He was just picked up by the California Highway Patrol. The right-wing Williams; a government-hating, gun-toting nut who strapped on his body armor, stocked a pickup truck with guns and ammo, and set off up the California coast to San Francisco in order to start killing employees at the previously obscure Tides Foundation in hopes of sparking a political revolution.

Ever hear of the Tides Foundation? Glenn Beck highlighted claims that before he started targeting a little-known, left-leaning organization called the Tides Foundation on his Fox News TV show, "nobody knew" what the non-profit was.

Indeed, for more than a year Beck has been portraying the progressive organization as a central player in a larger, nefarious cabal of Marxist/socialist/Nazi Obama-loving outlets determined to destroy democracy in America. Beck has routinely smeared the low-profile entity for being staffed by "thugs" and "bullies" and involved in "the nasty of the nastiest," like indoctrinating schoolchildren and creating a "mass organization to seize power."

Or how about Andrew Breitbart's website recently tagged Obama as the "suicide-bomber-in-chief"?

Or, the Washington Times just last week published an op-ed -- by a former congressman, no less -- asserting the president poses more of a threat to America than al Qaeda?
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And you drag out neocon Dennis Prager, who even a Jew calls a Super-Jew Neocon and a fascist?

Saw what I put it bold and it confirmed to me that you are a left wing blog reader with little knowledge of what is really happening in the world today.

I pity how you live your life as a follower and a pawn of the LW media.

They count on people like you never wanting to find out the truth about anything.

 

[Jarhead]

Where did he say that?

Comparing any modern situation or politician to Hitler is demonization no matter how slice and dice it....I don't think you can get around that. hehehe....yer Mom must be right....but that's ok. we can be old farts together

I disagree. There were some great lessons learned by the rise and fall of Hitler....and we should never be afraid to compare our present actions to it...and it has nothing to do with Hitler being a murderer. ANd by no means is Obama a Hitler. But there is one great comparison. They both took power based striclty on Charisma and not based on previous experiences...and by no means based on ideology.

Hitler was an ideologue. He campaigned with charisma and took power due to his charisma. His adversaries let their guard down as his charisma was overwhelming. They learned to regret it.

I wonder where the people of Venezuela would be today iof the opponents of Chavez were smart enough to use the example of Hitler as he was camapaigning.

But I digress.

You may have a point there! CON$ervative ideologue Reagan won on his charisma!!!

He diid. I agree.

 

[edthecynic]

You forget that edthe$ynic thinks that Rush is the leader of the republican party.

July 7, 2010
RUSH: Wait a minute. Why don't you blame Steele? I mean, the whole point of the RNC is fundraising. The RNC chairman is not a media star and he's not a pundit. He's supposed to be a fundraiser. He doesn't speak to policy and so forth. He's not technically or even in theory the leader of the party. That's me.

MY little one claims to be the father of the house.
SO I guess that means it must be fact.

Good stuff. Now give it a rest.

The truth hurts.

Do you and your mate beg for forgiveness from your little one like the GOP has?

February 9,2009
RUSH:* I proclaim myself the de facto leader, not necessarily the desired leader of the Republican Party

 

[Jarhead]

July 7, 2010
RUSH: Wait a minute. Why don't you blame Steele? I mean, the whole point of the RNC is fundraising. The RNC chairman is not a media star and he's not a pundit. He's supposed to be a fundraiser. He doesn't speak to policy and so forth. He's not technically or even in theory the leader of the party. That's me.

MY little one claims to be the father of the house.
SO I guess that means it must be fact.

Good stuff. Now give it a rest.

The truth hurts.

Do you and your mate beg for forgiveness from your little one like the GOP has?

February 9,2009
RUSH:* I proclaim myself the de facto leader, not necessarily the desired leader of the Republican Party

You are simply confirming to me that all you have to work with is a man that I have very little concern about.
He does not represent me anymore than Sean Penn represents me.

So no, the truth does not hurt.

But if it makes you feel better...YES...Oh God...the pain the pain....Please stop! Make him stop! Oh the pain of it all...the pain@!

 

[edthecynic]

Whos quote was that?

Thursday Quotes: A Lovable Little Fuzzball

Oh Jeez.

I am a consertvative and I se Rush as an entertainer as I saw Don Rickles an entertainer.
The only difference?

I enjoyed watching Don Rickels.

Rush: He's Changed the World of Talk Radio

"I combine two elements: irreverent humor and serious discussion of issues. People tune in for both. But the key is having credibility. This has led to critics saying I am just an entertainer. I'm proud to be an entertainer. This is showbiz. At the same time, I believe everything I say." -Limbaugh to Mediaweek.

Huckabee's Rollins Trashes Rush Instead of Debating Conservatism
December 20, 2007

RUSH: That's a liberal complaint. I'm an entertainer. Don't take me seriously.

Rush Responds to Gov. Huckabee
December 23, 2007

RUSH: Whoever said those things was essentially repeating the Democrat mantra of all these years: that I am just an entertainer, not an independent thinker

 

[Some Guy]

I agree with the tone of the OP. I think it has to do with the general core attitudes between conservatives and liberals.

At least when it comes to economic issues, conservatives' principle basically that of personal responsibility. They accept the responsibility of taking care of themselves and their family. This leads to wanting lower taxes and less government programs, meaning more money in their own pockets to spend and save as they see fit, and more money for others to spend and save as they see fit. In other words, they believe in the freedom to be as prosperous as they can be with the understanding that it's a double edged sword and stupid decisions could lead them to be very un-prosperous.

Liberals obviously disagree on this. They want everyone to be the same, to have everyone spend and save their money as they see fit, either as the person or persons making the decisions or as a like minded supporter of the person or persons making the decisions. They support wealth re-distribution because one person should not make more money than the other person. Ideally, everyone would work for nothing and a central authority would make sure everyone has a comfortable living for themselves.

The problem with this general idea of freedom and personal responsibility for liberals is that most people want that freedom to succeed and make their own decisions, so it's hard to sell them on the idea that they should give up that freedom and money to accept someone else's beliefs and sometimes lower standard of living. It'd be akin to the government trying to convince the American public that Switzerland is causing problems by staying out of everyone else's business, and thus we need to go to war with them. It just doesn't make any sense.

So, the only way you can get people behind you is if you try to get them mad at the opposition. Can't attack them on their beliefs cause they just want to be left alone, so attack their character. "Rush is an evil, bad, horrible person. Conservatives are mean spirited, cold, heartless people because they don't want to give you their money, they're just sitting over their hoarding it for themselves as they eat grapes while sitting on a mountain of gold pieces in their mansions while you suffer in the streets. It's not your fault that they have more money than you, it's their fault, cause they're evil, bad people who probably stepped on others like you to get where they are today. If you give me more control over you, i'll make sure they get what's coming to them for being mean to you and take care of you."