No, Illegal Aliens Are NOT "Contributing"

[protectionist]

Well now lets talk about those anchor babies. The fact of the matter is that without those births to foreigners the population growth in the United States would be negative. A negative population growth is not a good thing especially when it comes to Social Security. The irony is that the very cockroaches you bitch about are the very same cockroaches that are going to be paying your Social Security. I would think educating them would be an investment that a thinking person would want the country to make.

1. Today's immigrant is tomorrow's Social Security recipient.

2. Immigrants of past decades are TODAY'S Social Security recipient.

3. The Earned Income Tax Credit - pays out $$ to low income workers. The IRS states specifically (on its website), that the EITC is designed to refund most of the Social Security taxes low income people pay. Legal immigrants are mire than twice as likely to receive this payment, than are native-born Americans.

4. Illegal alien contributions to SS, are estimated to be only 1-2% of the program's expenditures. This tiny benefit only exists if illegals remain illegal. If legalized, they would be able to draw upon the system, and the small benefit would disappear.

5. Immigration does not dramatically change the # of workers relative to the # of retirees. IT increases the total population, but it does not change the fact that America is growing older.

6. Census Bureau population projections show that different levels of immigration have a very modest impact on the nation’s age structure. The Census Bureau itself states that immigration is “a highly inefficient” means for addressing a high ratio of working-age people relative to those too young or too old to work.

7. Estimates from the Social Security Administration show that reducing legal immigration by 41 percent would increase the size of the program’s funding deficit by only 2.5 percent. It is not clear that even this tiny effect exists, because SSA assumes that legal immigrants will have earnings and resulting tax payments as high as natives from the moment they arrive, which is contrary to a large body of research. Even if the SSA projections are correct, they indicate that the kinds of changes in immigration policy that are politically likely are almost entirely irrelevant to Social Security.

8. Immigrants, especially illegals, earn far less than Americans working in the same jobs. Thus, they pay into the SS system much less that Americans would if in those jobs. Then you have all the off-the-books illegals, whose numbers are increasing dramatically due to increased ICE activity and pressure from the Trump administration. Zero $$ go into SS from them.

 

[protectionist]

the right wing loves, income inequality.

if that were true, the right wing would hate Trump.

In 2018, US median income rose to its HIGHEST LEVEL EVER at $61,400.

 

[protectionist]

What you post vs. reality makes you quite cartoonish.

Your hot air vs substance, makes you irrelevant.

(as in this post)​

 

[candycorn]

What you post vs. reality makes you quite cartoonish.

Your hot air vs substance, makes you irrelevant.

(as in this post)​

Whatever fuck stain.

 

[protectionist]

Whatever fuck stain.

H AHA HA, See what I mean ?

If I were to pay you good $$ to post substance, I still think you wouldn't.

 

[protectionist]

Well damn, then I guess you support a $15.00 minimum wage. Because if minimum wage workers got paid more they would spend more and thereby boost the economy.

I have posted that fact many times, including in OPs, except that I used the proper word > Disposable Income.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I am so tired of hearing Democrats claim that illegal aliens are contributing to the US economy. Just now on the Fox News show hosted by Tucker Carlson, a liberal radio show host claimed that it is OK for California to be giving $20 Million to illegal aliens at the border, and those inside the state.

When challenged on that point (noting 75,000 California homeless citizens who could be getting that money), the answer was that the illegal aliens are "contributing" to California's economy. Actually, when looks at the situation in its entirety, it is obvious that not only are illegal (and legal) aliens NOT contributing, but the net result of their presence is just the opposite.

Just speaking economically, illegals are, in fact, a DRAIN that is causing LOSSES to California, and the US.

1. Immigrants (legal & illegal) are EXTRACTING $138 Billion out of the US economy in remittances, when they send out of the country. This is money not being spent in US stores (aka "the economy"), that would have been if Americans were in those jobs.

Remittance Flows Worldwide in 2016

2. Immigrants (legal & illegal) are contributing less than Americans would be, if Americans had the jobs that immigrants have. That's because immigrants are paid less, and therefore pay less in taxes. So rather than being a "contribution", immigrant taxes are a net LOSS. Also, many illegals, due to the clandestine nature of their employment, work off the books and pay not tax at all.

3. Immigrants increase the population, and thus add to resource DRAIN. Less oil, gas, fresh water, minerals , etc. available per capita.

4. Although most immigrants are law abiding, some are criminal, and thus are an addition to the numbers of crimes committed, increasing those numbers + the amount of criminal justice money having to be spent.

5. Immigrants increase school populations thereby DRAINing school budgets.

6. Immigrants (including illegals) utilize EMTALA while obtaining medical care in hospitals' emergency rooms.

Unions are partly responsible for this overall loss, which especially hits American workers hard. Unions, overzealous to rebuild declining memberships, lied to American workers and told them, Don’t worry! This will make the union stronger. Maybe it did by giving them more workers to join them and pay union dies, but it sure didn't help American workers. Thirty years later, California construction workers who were making $45 an hour are now making $11 an hour, and majority of these are illegal aliens.

January 30, 2019 - WHO BENEFITS FROM IMMIGRATION? NOT YOU!

WATCH: Whistleblower Says Illegal Aliens Have 'Taken Over Every Trade' in CA Construction, Driven Down U.S. Wages | Breitbart

There are some things that immigrants DO contribute >> Pollution, traffic congestion, overcrowding, disease, cultural erosion.

Wrong.

“A newly updated report released today provides data that helps dispute the erroneous idea espoused during President Trump’s address to Congress that undocumented immigrants are a drain to taxpayers. In fact, like all others living and working in the United States, undocumented immigrants are taxpayers too and collectively contribute an estimated $11.74 billion to state and local coffers each year via a combination of sales and excise, personal income, and property taxes, according to Undocumented Immigrants’ State and Local Tax Contributions by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy.”

Undocumented Immigrants’ State & Local Tax Contributions

 

[danielpalos]

the right wing loves, income inequality.

if that were true, the right wing would hate Trump.

In 2018, US median income rose to its HIGHEST LEVEL EVER at $61,400.

Tax cut economics is all about helping the rich get richer faster.

 

[Winston]

Well now lets talk about those anchor babies. The fact of the matter is that without those births to foreigners the population growth in the United States would be negative. A negative population growth is not a good thing especially when it comes to Social Security. The irony is that the very cockroaches you bitch about are the very same cockroaches that are going to be paying your Social Security. I would think educating them would be an investment that a thinking person would want the country to make.

1. Today's immigrant is tomorrow's Social Security recipient.

2. Immigrants of past decades are TODAY'S Social Security recipient.

3. The Earned Income Tax Credit - pays out $$ to low income workers. The IRS states specifically (on its website), that the EITC is designed to refund most of the Social Security taxes low income people pay. Legal immigrants are mire than twice as likely to receive this payment, than are native-born Americans.

4. Illegal alien contributions to SS, are estimated to be only 1-2% of the program's expenditures. This tiny benefit only exists if illegals remain illegal. If legalized, they would be able to draw upon the system, and the small benefit would disappear.

5. Immigration does not dramatically change the # of workers relative to the # of retirees. IT increases the total population, but it does not change the fact that America is growing older.

6. Census Bureau population projections show that different levels of immigration have a very modest impact on the nation’s age structure. The Census Bureau itself states that immigration is “a highly inefficient” means for addressing a high ratio of working-age people relative to those too young or too old to work.

7. Estimates from the Social Security Administration show that reducing legal immigration by 41 percent would increase the size of the program’s funding deficit by only 2.5 percent. It is not clear that even this tiny effect exists, because SSA assumes that legal immigrants will have earnings and resulting tax payments as high as natives from the moment they arrive, which is contrary to a large body of research. Even if the SSA projections are correct, they indicate that the kinds of changes in immigration policy that are politically likely are almost entirely irrelevant to Social Security.

8. Immigrants, especially illegals, earn far less than Americans working in the same jobs. Thus, they pay into the SS system much less that Americans would if in those jobs. Then you have all the off-the-books illegals, whose numbers are increasing dramatically due to increased ICE activity and pressure from the Trump administration. Zero $$ go into SS from them.

Wow, I hope you did put a lot of effort into that because I was not talking about the immigrants, I was talking about their children. The one's you were calling cockroaches. They are more likely to attend college than children of native born Americans and their average earnings are higher than the children of native born Americans.

 

[protectionist]

Wrong.

“A newly updated report released today provides data that helps dispute the erroneous idea espoused during President Trump’s address to Congress that undocumented immigrants are a drain to taxpayers. In fact, like all others living and working in the United States, undocumented immigrants are taxpayers too and collectively contribute an estimated $11.74 billion to state and local coffers each year via a combination of sales and excise, personal income, and property taxes, according to Undocumented Immigrants’ State and Local Tax Contributions by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy.”

Undocumented Immigrants’ State & Local Tax Contributions

HA HA HA. Oh Gee, so you managed (all by yourself) to come up with a leftist, pro-illegal aliens lobbying group blurb. Well, aren't we impressed ?

EARTH TO CCJ - there's not a thing in this dopey "report" that can repudiate what was posted in # 2 of the OP. Once again >> immigrants are paid less than Americans would be in the same jobs, and therefore pay less in taxes. So rather than being a "contribution", immigrant taxes are a net LOSS. Also, many illegals, due to the clandestine nature of their employment, work off the books and pay no tax at all.

PS - to call an ILLEGAL ALIEN an "undocumented immigrant", is about equivalent to calling a bank robber an >> informal withdrawl agent."

 

[protectionist]

Tax cut economics is all about helping the rich get richer faster.

Not hardly. It helps people to spend more in the stores (aka "the economy"), and the Trump tax cuts were across the board, not just for the rich.

 

[protectionist]

Wow, I hope you did put a lot of effort into that because I was not talking about the immigrants, I was talking about their children. The one's you were calling cockroaches. They are more likely to attend college than children of native born Americans and their average earnings are higher than the children of native born Americans.

1. I did not call anyone a cockroach. Clean your glasses.

2. I see zero source link to back up your comments about attending college. On the surface of them (which is all there is go by), they look ludicrous.

 

[Winston]

Wow, I hope you did put a lot of effort into that because I was not talking about the immigrants, I was talking about their children. The one's you were calling cockroaches. They are more likely to attend college than children of native born Americans and their average earnings are higher than the children of native born Americans.

1. I did not call anyone a cockroach. Clean your glasses.

2. I see zero source link to back up your comments about attending college. On the surface of them (which is all there is go by), they look ludicrous.

Taking the first and second generations together, their level of high school completion is below that of the native born with native parents. On the other hand, when it comes to bachelor’s and higher degrees, the foreign born and their children, combined, have higher attainment than the rest of the population

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My family has been in this country since well before the American Revolution. My son is working on his Phd in Materials Science. He was highly recruited in no small part because he was a white, he was male, and he was a native. Seems that demographic is pretty rare in graduate engineering programs.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Illegals have contributed to profits at Trump properties

But they were not known to be illegals. They got in with false documentation, and so were seen as Americans.

Please post relevant to the OP.

bullshit!

LOL

why didn't they use e-verify?

I worked with illegals at a few places. everyone knew

please and Trump being a Self-proclaimed Stable Genius, how could he not know?

He wasn't doing the hiring either.

 

[protectionist]

Taking the first and second generations together, their level of high school completion is below that of the native born with native parents. On the other hand, when it comes to bachelor’s and higher degrees, the foreign born and their children, combined, have higher attainment than the rest of the population

Community Commons

My family has been in this country since well before the American Revolution. My son is working on his Phd in Materials Science. He was highly recruited in no small part because he was a white, he was male, and he was a native. Seems that demographic is pretty rare in graduate engineering programs.

1. It's rare because of affirmative action discrimination against white males.

2. More minorites (foreign born) get AA preference. You don't know ?

3. I don't believe that college degreed people, in general make more money than those without degrees. The stats we see often are distorted, biased, and come from universities who profit from the dissemination of this idea.
Many college graduates with degrees in social science and humanities have no access to a job in their discipline, while many trade school graduates relatively easily get high paid jobs in the trades. (machinist, electrician, carpenter, etc)

 

[EvilCat Breath]

There is simply no possible way that illegals contribute more into the system than the benefits they use.

Jose and Maria are here illegally. Jose is a day laborer. He goes to Home Depot every day and waits in the parking lot to get work for the day. He averages $50.00 a day under the table.

Maria cleans houses. She makes minimum wage. With 5 children and an unemployed dependent spouse she pays no taxes.

The family gets food from the local food bank. Two of their children are American born. As a blended family they all get government paid medical care. They get a $300.00 a month EBT card, Section 8 housing and subsidized utilities. Most of their purchases in clothing and goods are from swap meets or from sellers of bulk stolen goods. They pay no sales tax.

The children are in school. They have breakfast and lunch at school. The school nurse takes care of routine medical needs. The state pays for the oldest girl's birth control pills, sanitary needs and the older boy's condoms.

There is no way these people contribute a fraction of what they get.

 

[Winston]

There is simply no possible way that illegals contribute more into the system than the benefits they use.

Jose and Maria are here illegally. Jose is a day laborer. He goes to Home Depot every day and waits in the parking lot to get work for the day. He averages $50.00 a day under the table.

Maria cleans houses. She makes minimum wage. With 5 children and an unemployed dependent spouse she pays no taxes.

The family gets food from the local food bank. Two of their children are American born. As a blended family they all get government paid medical care. They get a $300.00 a month EBT card, Section 8 housing and subsidized utilities. Most of their purchases in clothing and goods are from swap meets or from sellers of bulk stolen goods. They pay no sales tax.

The children are in school. They have breakfast and lunch at school. The school nurse takes care of routine medical needs. The state pays for the oldest girl's birth control pills, sanitary needs and the older boy's condoms.

There is no way these people contribute a fraction of what they get.

The children were born here and are American citizens. Ironically, this is where almost all of the spending is directed.

 

[danielpalos]

Tax cut economics is all about helping the rich get richer faster.

Not hardly. It helps people to spend more in the stores (aka "the economy"), and the Trump tax cuts were across the board, not just for the rich.

where? we have an oversupply problem not an overdemand problem.

 

[danielpalos]

There is simply no possible way that illegals contribute more into the system than the benefits they use.

Jose and Maria are here illegally. Jose is a day laborer. He goes to Home Depot every day and waits in the parking lot to get work for the day. He averages $50.00 a day under the table.

Maria cleans houses. She makes minimum wage. With 5 children and an unemployed dependent spouse she pays no taxes.

The family gets food from the local food bank. Two of their children are American born. As a blended family they all get government paid medical care. They get a $300.00 a month EBT card, Section 8 housing and subsidized utilities. Most of their purchases in clothing and goods are from swap meets or from sellers of bulk stolen goods. They pay no sales tax.

The children are in school. They have breakfast and lunch at school. The school nurse takes care of routine medical needs. The state pays for the oldest girl's birth control pills, sanitary needs and the older boy's condoms.

There is no way these people contribute a fraction of what they get.

stop creating refugees. we should be making money with our naturalization clause.

 

[protectionist]

where? we have an oversupply problem not an overdemand problem.

In US stores (aka "the economy") , as opposed to Mexicans spending in Mexican stores (after receiving remittances$$$ from the US)