No Heart Transplant Because He’s Not Vaccinated Against COVID

[L.K.Eder]

Also if they voted Republican would get you to deny them…

see. trolling.

 

[marvin martian]

BOSTON (CBS) – David Ferguson is speaking out passionately on behalf of his son DJ. He says the 31-year-old is fighting for his life at Brigham and Women’s Hospital and in desperate need of a heart transplant. “My son has gone to the edge of death to stick to his guns and he’s been pushed to the limit,” Ferguson said.

The family says he was at the front of the line to receive a transplant but because he has not received the COVID-19 vaccination he is no longer eligible according to hospital policy. And Ferguson says his son refuses to get the shot.

“It’s kind of against his basic principles, he doesn’t believe in it. It’s a policy they are enforcing and so because he won’t get the shot, they took him off the list of a heart transplant,” Ferguson said.

Man Can't Get Heart Transplant Because He's Not Vaccinated Against COVID

DJ Ferguson was set to receive a heart transplant, but because he is not vaccinated against COVID-19 he is no longer eligible, according to hospital policy.

boston.cbslocal.com

Do you think it's right to deny someone medical care based on their vaccination status?

Healthcare is a human right. Remember that one? I do.

 

[hadit]

There is always a long list waiting for a transplant, if you do not follow the rules you do not get it. Been that way forever unless you are rich enough to bypass such things

All that jockeying goes on outside of the match itself, which doesn't care at all. It's totally focused on generating the list of compatible recipients with the most compatible at the top.

There are a few things you can do, however, if you're rich enough. One very wealthy liberal (I won't name him but it's easy enough to figure out who he was), registered in every OPO in the nation for his organ, since proximity to the donor was critical. When he got his match, he hopped in his plane, flew to the hospital and got the transplant. Then he bought a house to live in for a couple of months to recuperate. That's just a legal way to do it, since OPO's are forbidden to know if a patient is registered anywhere else unless a specific OPO decides to share the info with them.

Illegal means are like a Saudi prince who bribed a doctor to look out for a compatible kidney, flew in, got the transplant and flew back out, leaving the legit recipient to go back on the waiting list.

 

[L.K.Eder]

And did you read that?

Did you understand what was written?

Even with the vaccine it can but not all the time!

Again,

It matter because you are refusing to accept the person survival rate with or without the vaccine is very low, and with Omicron the fact is he will die if he contracts it no matter vaccinated or not…

I know, you believe that the vaccine will be the cure even when the manufacturers said there will never be a true cure…

Now tell us again what is the guy chances of surviving if he get Omicron with or without the vaccine and then show me how many people died with less severe conditions that have been jabbed twice?

actually, your lying ignored, you make a good point of denying the guy a new heart in any case, as he will die anyway. was that your intention? or are you permanently confused?

look up the meaning of "probability". then apply this new knowledge to the topic at hand.

 

[hadit]

actually, your lying ignored, you make a good point of denying the guy a new heart in any case, as he will die anyway. was that your intention? or are you permanently confused?

look up the meaning of "probability". then apply this new knowledge to the topic at hand.

We've already had one pig heart transplant. It's only the beginning.

 

[BlueGin]

It takes about 10 seconds to get the vaccine.

The guy is too stubborn for his own good.

Vaccine is not safe for people with heart conditions. Especially boys/men.

 

[L.K.Eder]

We've already had one pig heart transplant. It's only the beginning.

sure. if more hearts are available, then even medically non-compliant patients might get a heart of a genetically modified pig. i guess that is an option for the antivaxxer in the OP. it is only extremely experimental, and involves genetic alteration of a mammal.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

Vaccine is not safe for people with heart conditions. Especially boys/men.

The doctors are telling him to get vaccinated.

I assume medical professionals know more than internet randoms.

 

[colfax_m]

All that jockeying goes on outside of the match itself, which doesn't care at all. It's totally focused on generating the list of compatible recipients with the most compatible at the top.

Not exactly. An organ will be compatible with many, many people. The organ does not go with the most compatible, it goes to the most needy patient who is compatible.

Getting on the list in the first place is hard work and requires following the rules.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Getting a transplant is a very long and complicated procedure. As part of the contract to receive a transplant the recipient has to agree to all recommendations of the transplant team. ALL. No exceptions. That means diet, personal habits, and anything else they think of.

If someone is certainly dying because they need a transplant there is no basis to deny having the clot shot, no matter how poisonous you think it is. The worst that can happen is, it kills you. It's not like you will live long anyway.

The way the transplant team looks at it is if a person is going to stand on principle over this medical decision, you will stand on principle over something else. That makes you unacceptable. Once you enter into the program the transplant team makes all of your medical decisions for you. The young man refusing the vaccine simply has no basis for this decision.

 

[Hellbilly]

The vaccines does not stop you from contracting the Omicron version of the virus, why take it if he is already at high risk and die?

Two words. Hospital Policy. If the policy is you don’t get surgery if your not vaccinated then you don’t get surgery. Simple as that.

 

[colfax_m]

Vaccine is not safe for people with heart conditions. Especially boys/men.

Neither is COVID.

 

[marvin martian]

Two words. Hospital Policy. If the policy is you don’t get surgery if your not vaccinated then you don’t get surgery. Simple as that.

hEAltHCarE iS a HuMAn RiGHt!

 

[Hellbilly]

hEAltHCarE iS a HuMAn RiGHt!

Rules are rules.

 

[marvin martian]

Rules are rules.

Yes, I know you lied when you said healthcare is a human right. Everyone knows you lied.

 

[Hellbilly]

Yes, I know you lied when you said healthcare is a human right. Everyone knows you lied.

When did I say that?

 

[marvin martian]

When did I say that?

You don't agree with that statement?

 

[hadit]

Not exactly. An organ will be compatible with many, many people. The organ does not go with the most compatible, it goes to the most needy patient who is compatible.

Getting on the list in the first place is hard work and requires following the rules.

Incorrect. The match algorithm matches solely on medical factors. "Need" doesn't factor into it. In fact, some people on the list "need" the organ too much. They are too sick to get it and get kicked off the list. Basically, the longer you stay on the list, the less likely it is you will get an organ. In addition, it's not a binary decision because there are levels of compatibility. There are multiple things to match on, blood type being the most common and the one everyone thinks of first. There is usually a handful of ideal matches, and the compatibility goes down from there. Get a kidney from a twin sibling and you're near perfect. I have seen scenarios, however, where the list of compatible recipients is small enough that they go through the entire list without finding anyone willing to take the organ.

Here's how the match works. When donor organs become available (I think they're up to 7 or 8 now), one of the nurses on the transplant team goes to the UNOS website, enters in the blood chemistry, tissue typing info, age, weight, etc. of the donor, then clicks on "Run match". The matching process automatically kicks off and creates a list of potential recipients with the most compatible first, and texts and phone calls automatically go out to the doctors caring for the recipients. Things like proximity are considered, as some organs don't last very long outside the donor's body. Kidneys last for 30 hours and can be transported across the nation via UPS, USPS, whoever is available, so a recipient could be several states away and have time to get to the hospital. Hearts and lungs last 6 hours or less, so they can't go very far. That means the cute little girl who needs a heart in the next state over is bumped in favor of the elderly man fighting for his life in the hospital on the other side of town. The match is heartless, and the ideal recipient is a young, otherwise fit person who just got put on the list. That is one factor that can get him an organ and deny someone else who "needs" it more.

Now, a potential recipient and the hospital he/she is in have some options, and these are a factor in the decision as to whether they accept the organ or not. The patient can say, for example, that they will not accept an organ from a person of another race. Stupid, but possible. They can, OTOH, be desperate enough to say they will accept an organ from a donor who is a drug addict or has cancer, something most people don't want. But if you're 85 years old and want to squeeze another few years out of life, why not? The hospital can also, have differing standard in what they will accept for a patient and what they will reject, and that can affect the overall survivability a hospital advertises to insurance companies. IOW, the perfect recipient might already be in the hospital waiting, but the doctor could look at the photo they sent to his phone on the golf course and say, "Nope, I don't like it", and he doesn't get it.

 

[Hellbilly]

You don't agree with that statement?

I don’t agree with you saying that I said it.

 

[colfax_m]

Incorrect. The match algorithm matches solely on medical factors. "Need" doesn't factor into it. In fact, some people on the list "need" the organ too much. They are too sick to get it and get kicked off the list. Basically, the longer you stay on the list, the less likely it is you will get an organ. In addition, it's not a binary decision because there are levels of compatibility. There are multiple things to match on, blood type being the most common and the one everyone thinks of first. There is usually a handful of ideal matches, and the compatibility goes down from there. Get a kidney from a twin sibling and you're near perfect. I have seen scenarios, however, where the list of compatible recipients is small enough that they go through the entire list without finding anyone willing to take the organ.

Here's how the match works. When donor organs become available (I think they're up to 7 or 8 now), one of the nurses on the transplant team goes to the UNOS website, enters in the blood chemistry, tissue typing info, age, weight, etc. of the donor, then clicks on "Run match". The matching process automatically kicks off and creates a list of potential recipients with the most compatible first, and texts and phone calls automatically go out to the doctors caring for the recipients. Things like proximity are considered, as some organs don't last very long outside the donor's body. Kidneys last for 30 hours and can be transported across the nation via UPS, USPS, whoever is available, so a recipient could be several states away and have time to get to the hospital. Hearts and lungs last 6 hours or less, so they can't go very far. That means the cute little girl who needs a heart in the next state over is bumped in favor of the elderly man fighting for his life in the hospital on the other side of town. The match is heartless, and the ideal recipient is a young, otherwise fit person who just got put on the list. That is one factor that can get him an organ and deny someone else who "needs" it more.

Now, a potential recipient and the hospital he/she is in have some options, and these are a factor in the decision as to whether they accept the organ or not. The patient can say, for example, that they will not accept an organ from a person of another race. Stupid, but possible. They can, OTOH, be desperate enough to say they will accept an organ from a donor who is a drug addict or has cancer, something most people don't want. But if you're 85 years old and want to squeeze another few years out of life, why not? The hospital can also, have differing standard in what they will accept for a patient and what they will reject, and that can affect the overall survivability a hospital advertises to insurance companies. IOW, the perfect recipient might already be in the hospital waiting, but the doctor could look at the photo they sent to his phone on the golf course and say, "Nope, I don't like it", and he doesn't get it.

Yes, need is a medical factor. That's why people can sit on the list for many years who have low need and some people can sit on the list for mere weeks who are high need. A person who is sitting on VA ECMO is ranked as status 1 whereas an otherwise ambulatory patient is ranked down to status 4-6.

https://optn.transplant.hrsa.gov/media/2414/adult_heart_infographic.pdf

Some people need the organ more than others.

As for kidneys, the formula is quite different, need is not really a factor because of dialysis. Time on the list takes precedence. They'll take the person who has waited the longest who matches. Yes, there's considerations for people with high panel resistance antibodies who happen to be a great match, which is a relatively new feature. This is not the most common way to allocate. Most commonly you find people who have acceptable virtual crossmatches before going with a real crossmatch. Compatibility for most kidney recipients boils down mainly to compatible blood type and lack of a positive donor antibody. They don't really care too much if your HLA groups match.