What would happen if we stopped treating overdose cases?

[Woodznutz]

Would it have a chilling effect on the drug using community, knowing that if they overdose there will be no one there to save them (read enable them to continue using drugs)?

Would such a policy actually save lives in the long run? In war casualties are anticipated. Body bags and coffins are part of 'logistics'. Why not the same in the drug war?

 

[Rye Catcher]

Would it have a chilling effect on the drug using community, knowing that if they overdose there will be no one there to save them (read enable them to continue using drugs)?

Would such a policy actually save lives in the long run? In war casualties are anticipated. Body bags and coffins are part of 'logistics'. Why not the same in the drug war?

Spoken by a Callous Conservative, the set that lacks empathy.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Nope. Users never think they are going to overdose. Just like they always think they can stop any time they like.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Spoken by a Callous Conservative, the set that lacks empathy.

Are overdose antidotes administered because the druggie wants to be saved or because it makes people feel good about administering it?

 

[Rye Catcher]

Are overdose antidotes administered because the druggie wants to be saved or because it makes people feel good about administering it?

You ask two stupid questions. No surprise there.

 

[JGalt]

Denying them Narcan would be a self-correcting problem.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Denying them Narcan would be a self-correcting problem.

It would certainly reduce the number of users and make a dent in the drug using homeless.

 

[BlindBoo]

Hey you may be onto something. If someone crashes their car while speeding, no treatment!

Maybe we should stop treating smokers for lung cancer?

If you drink alcohol, no liver treatments?

 

[martybegan]

Spoken by a Callous Conservative, the set that lacks empathy.

Or spoken as someone just trying to figure out if a war on drugs was fought as a war what would it take to win it.

 

[Woodznutz]

Spoken by a Callous Conservative, the set that lacks empathy.

The price of such empathy is way too high.

Question: If drug addiction is a 'disease' why aren't drug addicts in hospitals until they're cured?

Answer: ..............................(crickets).

 

[martybegan]

Hey you may be onto something. If someone crashes their car while speeding, no treatment!

Maybe we should stop treating smokers for lung cancer?

If you drink alcohol, no liver treatments?

The thing is drug abuse is unlike the above because many of these guys get chances over and over to make the same mistakes, at the cost of the taxpayer, and the law abiding having to deal with their criminality.

To me the only way to theoretically implement would be for it to happen inside "Hotel California" facilities, where basic medical care is offered, but if you OD, you OD.

"You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave"

At least while you are still using.

 

[Woodznutz]

The thing is drug abuse is unlike the above because many of these guys get chances over and over to make the same mistakes, at the cost of the taxpayer, and the law abiding having to deal with their criminality.

To me the only way to theoretically implement would be for it to happen inside "Hotel California" facilities, where basic medical care is offered, but if you OD, you OD.

"You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave"

At least while you are still using.

True.
And what the do-gooders fail to understand is the deep love affair addicts have with their drugs. Even if denied that's all they will think about for the rest of their lives. And sadly, most who have 'recovered' will relapse. They are the 'walking dead'. Let them die so the rest of us can get on with our lives.

 

[martybegan]

True.
And what the do-gooders fail to understand is the deep love affair addicts have with their drugs. Even if denied that's all they will think about for the rest of their lives. And sadly, most who have 'recovered' will relapse. They are the 'walking dead'. Let them die so the rest of us can get on with our lives.

As a theoretical exercise this is one thing, but I doubt it could be implemented "in the wild" realistically, as you would need the responders to be able to instantly tell the difference between an accidental overdose of legal drugs vs. an accidental overdose of illegal drugs.

No government would accept the liability issues caused by this, regardless of any moral questions.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Hey you may be onto something. If someone crashes their car while speeding, no treatment!

Maybe we should stop treating smokers for lung cancer?

If you drink alcohol, no liver treatments?

Smokers and alcoholics are already denied treatments. No transplants for instance. No admission into treatment programs without cessation.

Look at how many cities are now requiring city employees to carry narcan or naxolone at all times. Let users die peacefully.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

Would it have a chilling effect on the drug using community, knowing that if they overdose there will be no one there to save them (read enable them to continue using drugs)?

Would such a policy actually save lives in the long run? In war casualties are anticipated. Body bags and coffins are part of 'logistics'. Why not the same in the drug war?

Lots more white trash, trump supporters would die.

 

[JGalt]

Hey you may be onto something. If someone crashes their car while speeding, no treatment!

Maybe we should stop treating smokers for lung cancer?

If you drink alcohol, no liver treatments?

Cars, cigarettes, and alcohol aren't schedule I or II items, they don't make criminal cartels a lot of money, and they aren't smuggled illegally across the border.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Spoken by a Callous Conservative, the set that lacks empathy.

How much money have you paid for other people's overdose treatment? How many volunteer hours have you put in with the homeless and with the addicts at the drug treatment center?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Would it have a chilling effect on the drug using community, knowing that if they overdose there will be no one there to save them (read enable them to continue using drugs)?

Would such a policy actually save lives in the long run? In war casualties are anticipated. Body bags and coffins are part of 'logistics'. Why not the same in the drug war?

I've been saying for years let them die.

 

[JGalt]

Lots more white trash, trump supporters would die.

Keep believing your fallacy.

Meth Comes to the Hood

 

[martybegan]

Cars, cigarettes, and alcohol aren't schedule I or II items, they don't make criminal cartels a lot of money, and they aren't smuggled illegally across the border.

Don't worry, they are working on cigarettes.