No frivolous gun control laws would have stopped this...

[Redfish]

take out minorities and our 5 most violent cities and our homicide rate is almost zero.

Was this school shooter a minority or from a violent city?

no, but we are talking about national statistics. Sounds like this kid was a nutcase. Dimitri--------maybe he was a minority. Russian, Serb, ?

Was the florida school shooter a minority? How about our worst mass shooter ever from the Vegas shooting?

Ok,. if you want to talk about individual crimes, lets do that. How about the boston marathon bombers? the Orlando gay night club shooter. We still don't know much about the Vegas guy, why is it taking so long for the authorities to find out who he was and why he did it? are they hiding something?

But you brought up nation by nation crime stats, that includes all violent acts, and in the USA most of those violent crimes are committed either by minorities or in big cities or both. mostly both.

Yes they are in gangs, just like most the violent crimes are done by gangs in every other country. You have no real point to your claim.

we have more gang members per capita than those other countries, so the point remains valid.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A law requiring gun owners to store and secure weapons in a standardized method or face civil and even criminal charges for failure to do so may have had an impact in this latest school shooting incident and would have had absolutely nothing to do with gun ownership rights.

And if we also made a law against drinking alcohol and driving a motor vehicle, that would eliminate drunk drivers.

So, we should make it legal.

Great plan asshole.

No you dumb F, the point is that laws don't guarantee results.

Maybe this will make clear how silly your arguments are...
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527
ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

You do realize The Onion is satire, don't you?

 

[Brain357]

Was this school shooter a minority or from a violent city?

no, but we are talking about national statistics. Sounds like this kid was a nutcase. Dimitri--------maybe he was a minority. Russian, Serb, ?

Was the florida school shooter a minority? How about our worst mass shooter ever from the Vegas shooting?

Ok,. if you want to talk about individual crimes, lets do that. How about the boston marathon bombers? the Orlando gay night club shooter. We still don't know much about the Vegas guy, why is it taking so long for the authorities to find out who he was and why he did it? are they hiding something?

But you brought up nation by nation crime stats, that includes all violent acts, and in the USA most of those violent crimes are committed either by minorities or in big cities or both. mostly both.

Yes they are in gangs, just like most the violent crimes are done by gangs in every other country. You have no real point to your claim.

are you going to take guns away from gangs? if so, how?

Well stronger gun laws would slow our gun owners from constantly arming them:
Criminals steal more than 237,000 guns from legal American gun owners every year

Lots of legal gun ownership guarantees lots of illegal gun use.

 

[Redfish]

A law requiring gun owners to store and secure weapons in a standardized method or face civil and even criminal charges for failure to do so may have had an impact in this latest school shooting incident and would have had absolutely nothing to do with gun ownership rights.

And if we also made a law against drinking alcohol and driving a motor vehicle, that would eliminate drunk drivers.

So, we should make it legal.

Great plan asshole.

No you dumb F, the point is that laws don't guarantee results.

Maybe this will make clear how silly your arguments are...
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527
ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

listen dude, if you don't like this country and our laws, GTF out of it. We don't need or want you.

 

[Brain357]

Was this school shooter a minority or from a violent city?

no, but we are talking about national statistics. Sounds like this kid was a nutcase. Dimitri--------maybe he was a minority. Russian, Serb, ?

Was the florida school shooter a minority? How about our worst mass shooter ever from the Vegas shooting?

Ok,. if you want to talk about individual crimes, lets do that. How about the boston marathon bombers? the Orlando gay night club shooter. We still don't know much about the Vegas guy, why is it taking so long for the authorities to find out who he was and why he did it? are they hiding something?

But you brought up nation by nation crime stats, that includes all violent acts, and in the USA most of those violent crimes are committed either by minorities or in big cities or both. mostly both.

Yes they are in gangs, just like most the violent crimes are done by gangs in every other country. You have no real point to your claim.

we have more gang members per capita than those other countries, so the point remains valid.

Link?

 

[Redfish]

no, but we are talking about national statistics. Sounds like this kid was a nutcase. Dimitri--------maybe he was a minority. Russian, Serb, ?

Was the florida school shooter a minority? How about our worst mass shooter ever from the Vegas shooting?

Ok,. if you want to talk about individual crimes, lets do that. How about the boston marathon bombers? the Orlando gay night club shooter. We still don't know much about the Vegas guy, why is it taking so long for the authorities to find out who he was and why he did it? are they hiding something?

But you brought up nation by nation crime stats, that includes all violent acts, and in the USA most of those violent crimes are committed either by minorities or in big cities or both. mostly both.

Yes they are in gangs, just like most the violent crimes are done by gangs in every other country. You have no real point to your claim.

are you going to take guns away from gangs? if so, how?

Well stronger gun laws would slow our gun owners from constantly arming them:
Criminals steal more than 237,000 guns from legal American gun owners every year

Lots of legal gun ownership guarantees lots of illegal gun use.

your desperation is making you look very stupid. might be time to call it and go lick your wounds. you lost this one big time.

 

[Brain357]

A law requiring gun owners to store and secure weapons in a standardized method or face civil and even criminal charges for failure to do so may have had an impact in this latest school shooting incident and would have had absolutely nothing to do with gun ownership rights.

And if we also made a law against drinking alcohol and driving a motor vehicle, that would eliminate drunk drivers.

So, we should make it legal.

Great plan asshole.

No you dumb F, the point is that laws don't guarantee results.

Maybe this will make clear how silly your arguments are...
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527
ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

You do realize The Onion is satire, don't you?

Obviously, it is doing a great job of mocking many of your ridiculous arguments....

 

[Brain357]

A law requiring gun owners to store and secure weapons in a standardized method or face civil and even criminal charges for failure to do so may have had an impact in this latest school shooting incident and would have had absolutely nothing to do with gun ownership rights.

And if we also made a law against drinking alcohol and driving a motor vehicle, that would eliminate drunk drivers.

So, we should make it legal.

Great plan asshole.

No you dumb F, the point is that laws don't guarantee results.

Maybe this will make clear how silly your arguments are...
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527
ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

listen dude, if you don't like this country and our laws, GTF out of it. We don't need or want you.

Do you follow the news? Maybe you haven't noticed, but children are getting gunned down regularly. Yeah you need help.

 

[Redfish]

no, but we are talking about national statistics. Sounds like this kid was a nutcase. Dimitri--------maybe he was a minority. Russian, Serb, ?

Was the florida school shooter a minority? How about our worst mass shooter ever from the Vegas shooting?

Ok,. if you want to talk about individual crimes, lets do that. How about the boston marathon bombers? the Orlando gay night club shooter. We still don't know much about the Vegas guy, why is it taking so long for the authorities to find out who he was and why he did it? are they hiding something?

But you brought up nation by nation crime stats, that includes all violent acts, and in the USA most of those violent crimes are committed either by minorities or in big cities or both. mostly both.

Yes they are in gangs, just like most the violent crimes are done by gangs in every other country. You have no real point to your claim.

we have more gang members per capita than those other countries, so the point remains valid.

Link?

you need a link to something that is obvious??????????? have you been to japan or Sweden or Norway. Germany is catching up with us but most of their gangs are muslims.

 

[Brain357]

Was the florida school shooter a minority? How about our worst mass shooter ever from the Vegas shooting?

Ok,. if you want to talk about individual crimes, lets do that. How about the boston marathon bombers? the Orlando gay night club shooter. We still don't know much about the Vegas guy, why is it taking so long for the authorities to find out who he was and why he did it? are they hiding something?

But you brought up nation by nation crime stats, that includes all violent acts, and in the USA most of those violent crimes are committed either by minorities or in big cities or both. mostly both.

Yes they are in gangs, just like most the violent crimes are done by gangs in every other country. You have no real point to your claim.

are you going to take guns away from gangs? if so, how?

Well stronger gun laws would slow our gun owners from constantly arming them:
Criminals steal more than 237,000 guns from legal American gun owners every year

Lots of legal gun ownership guarantees lots of illegal gun use.

your desperation is making you look very stupid. might be time to call it and go lick your wounds. you lost this one big time.

237,000 guns stolen from gun owners and directly into the hands of criminals. Yeah you are arming the gangs.

 

[Brain357]

Was the florida school shooter a minority? How about our worst mass shooter ever from the Vegas shooting?

Ok,. if you want to talk about individual crimes, lets do that. How about the boston marathon bombers? the Orlando gay night club shooter. We still don't know much about the Vegas guy, why is it taking so long for the authorities to find out who he was and why he did it? are they hiding something?

But you brought up nation by nation crime stats, that includes all violent acts, and in the USA most of those violent crimes are committed either by minorities or in big cities or both. mostly both.

Yes they are in gangs, just like most the violent crimes are done by gangs in every other country. You have no real point to your claim.

we have more gang members per capita than those other countries, so the point remains valid.

Link?

you need a link to something that is obvious??????????? have you been to japan or Sweden or Norway. Germany is catching up with us but most of their gangs are muslims.

Then you must have a link to support your claim. Lets see.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Oh come on, you want me to start posting hack sites too? You never ever read my link; there was no possible way given the time you responded. Would you like me to post some highlights for you?

Your study is quite old and as you should be able to tell I follow this subject quite well. I am well aware of it. Just as I am aware concealed carry holders are often killers.

You didn't even read the Fn thing. If you did, you'd know that the study was from 2015; less than three years old. But since you didn't read it, allow me to point out a main factor:

"Combining the data for Florida and Texas data, we find that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth the rate for police officers," Lott writes. "Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000.10 That is just 1/7th of the rate for police officers. But there's no need to focus on Texas and Florida — the data are similar in other states."

The report found that while concealed carry-permits have surged since 1999, the murder rates have declined:

Now try to refute that.

3 years is quite a long time to read one study Ray. Don't be silly. Violent crime is up the last two years. And well look at my link for all the killers.

Your stupid post includes suicides. That's where most of gun deaths come from. What a hack site.

Includes plenty of homicides....

Homicides and murders are two different things. When a police officer kills a suspect justifiably, it's considered a homicide.

 

[Redfish]

And if we also made a law against drinking alcohol and driving a motor vehicle, that would eliminate drunk drivers.

So, we should make it legal.

Great plan asshole.

No you dumb F, the point is that laws don't guarantee results.

Maybe this will make clear how silly your arguments are...
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527
ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

listen dude, if you don't like this country and our laws, GTF out of it. We don't need or want you.

Do you follow the news? Maybe you haven't noticed, but children are getting gunned down regularly. Yeah you need help.

then arm the teachers and put metal detectors at every door, and listen to neighbors and other kids when they say that someone is acting weird. this is mostly happening because we are scared of offending someone by accusing them of being mentally ill.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And if we also made a law against drinking alcohol and driving a motor vehicle, that would eliminate drunk drivers.

So, we should make it legal.

Great plan asshole.

No you dumb F, the point is that laws don't guarantee results.

Maybe this will make clear how silly your arguments are...
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527
ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

You do realize The Onion is satire, don't you?

Obviously, it is doing a great job of mocking many of your ridiculous arguments....

Actually it's doing a great job making you look like a fool trying to use it as evidence of something.

 

[Brain357]

Your study is quite old and as you should be able to tell I follow this subject quite well. I am well aware of it. Just as I am aware concealed carry holders are often killers.

You didn't even read the Fn thing. If you did, you'd know that the study was from 2015; less than three years old. But since you didn't read it, allow me to point out a main factor:

"Combining the data for Florida and Texas data, we find that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth the rate for police officers," Lott writes. "Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000.10 That is just 1/7th of the rate for police officers. But there's no need to focus on Texas and Florida — the data are similar in other states."

The report found that while concealed carry-permits have surged since 1999, the murder rates have declined:

Now try to refute that.

3 years is quite a long time to read one study Ray. Don't be silly. Violent crime is up the last two years. And well look at my link for all the killers.

Your stupid post includes suicides. That's where most of gun deaths come from. What a hack site.

Includes plenty of homicides....

Homicides and murders are two different things. When a police officer kills a suspect justifiably, it's considered a homicide.

Stop playing dumb. Here is one from the site:
Concealed Handgun Permit Holder: David Kinney CONVICTED
Date: May 7, 2017
People Killed: 1


Circumstances: On May 7, 2017, concealed handgun permit holder David Kinney, 30, allegedly shot and killed his friend Brad McGarry, 43, at McGarry’s home following an argument. According to police, Kinney’s first written statement about the incident indicated that he went to McGarry’s home to return a weed-eater and found McGarry’s body. In a second statement two days later, Kinney admitted there was an argument between himself and McGarry saying, “I started to tell him what we can no longer see each other in any other way but being friends and we started arguing.” Kinney went on to allege that McGarry grabbed a pistol and was waving it around and pointing it at him, and that he panicked and shot McGarry, saying he never meant to kill his best friend and that he acted in self defense. Kinney was charged with murder with a firearm specification.

UPDATE: On February 6, 2018, David Kinney was found guilty of aggravated murder in the death of Brad McGarry. On February 14, 2018, Kinney was sentenced to life in prison plus three years, with no possibility for parole.

Source: “Best friend’s murder sends Bellaire man to prison,” wtrf.com, February 14, 2018; “Belmont County jury finds Kinney guilty in McGarry’s death,” timesleaderonline.com, February 6, 2018; “Interview ruled admissible in murder case,” The Times Leader, July 7, 2017; “More details surface in Bellaire murder case,” wtov9.com, May 18, 2017.

 

[Brain357]

So, we should make it legal.

Great plan asshole.

No you dumb F, the point is that laws don't guarantee results.

Maybe this will make clear how silly your arguments are...
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527
ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

You do realize The Onion is satire, don't you?

Obviously, it is doing a great job of mocking many of your ridiculous arguments....

Actually it's doing a great job making you look like a fool trying to use it as evidence of something.

Evidence? I was mocking you, and it seems you were too dumb to know...

 

[Brain357]

So, we should make it legal.

Great plan asshole.

No you dumb F, the point is that laws don't guarantee results.

Maybe this will make clear how silly your arguments are...
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527
ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

listen dude, if you don't like this country and our laws, GTF out of it. We don't need or want you.

Do you follow the news? Maybe you haven't noticed, but children are getting gunned down regularly. Yeah you need help.

then arm the teachers and put metal detectors at every door, and listen to neighbors and other kids when they say that someone is acting weird. this is mostly happening because we are scared of offending someone by accusing them of being mentally ill.

The armed security at this last shooting was shot and 10 kids died. They don't do any of those things in countries with strong gun control and they don't have a school shooting problem.

 

[Brain357]

So, we should make it legal.

Great plan asshole.

No you dumb F, the point is that laws don't guarantee results.

Maybe this will make clear how silly your arguments are...
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527
ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

You do realize The Onion is satire, don't you?

Obviously, it is doing a great job of mocking many of your ridiculous arguments....

Actually it's doing a great job making you look like a fool trying to use it as evidence of something.

How are OH crime rates looking? You have plenty of concealed carry right? Murder up...
Ohio Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

Crime sure did go down after we got some gun control though didn't it?

 

[Markle]

Just as I am aware concealed carry holders are often killers.

Show us your facts and link.

Thank you.

 

[Flopper]

I wouldn't go that far. The NRA was a sensible organization up until the 1970's... when it supported common sense gun laws.

Then the nuts like LaPeirre took over.

This was also about the time that hunting started falling out of fashion as a sport, so the gun industry realized that the home protection market was the way to go.

And, now we have common sense gun laws. How many more common sense gun laws do we need before they go beyond common sense and accomplish nothing?

Perhaps hunting has fallen out of favor where you live, but it certainly has not where I live, the panhandle of Florida.

As you know, personal protection has worked and worked well. More guns have equaled fewer murders and violent crimes. Why is that a problem for you? Why do you demand more murders and violent crimes?

I think carrying a gun makes you fell safe. I know it did for me years ago. However, I suspect that feeling safe has little to do with being safe. Having a gun and being able to make a spit second decision to use it and do so effectively when your're scared shirtless is something totally different.

Trained, experience law enforcement officers often fair poorly in emergency situations. I saw a study that said 21 percent of law enforcement officers killed with a handgun were shot with their own service weapon. They average a 20 percent hit ratio in armed confrontations, meaning that only 20 percent of shots fired hit the intended target. And these guys are professionals.