DiogenesDog
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One of my web friends sent me this news piece. She supports liberal access to firearms and a liberal interpretation of home protection. So do I.
Protecting Neighbor's Home Self-Defense?
Testing "Castle Doctrine," Grand Jury To Decide If Texas Man Was Right
To Kill Burglars
HOUSTON (CBS) -- It will be up to a Texas grand jury to decide whether
a man who fatally shot two men he thought were robbing his neighbor's
home acted within the state's self-defense laws.
Tough call. For all the wind that has passed through either end of NRA supporters and their leadership, there have been few incidences of "castle defense" that have not received a rigorous, abrasive and sometimes costly first responses leading to the death or arrest and then court appearances for the castle defender. The horror stories of no-knock entry by law enforcement into the wrong address have lead to some ugly outcomes for innocent residents and for armed residents who have shot the intruders whether LE or real bad guys. I don't know about where you live, but here by me in a metropolitan area of near 50 municipalities both large and tiny, there are ugly and questionable incidences of both plainly criminal and innocent protection shootings everyday or so. Nationally, the number would be astounding to some if they were all reported equally. Gun trauma and death are very common.
There are levels of defense and levels of thwarting crime that demand a firearm depending on remoteness of the victim from LE and neighbors. Individual protection within the confines of the walls of the home are different from that of the edge of the physical setting on which ones castle sits and the proximity of ones dwelling from ones neighbor. I live in a neighborhood that has large lots, 6-0 foot wooden, wire or masonry fences. My lot backs on a railroad and utility easement. The street is a U-shaped street that has a north and a south entry. I know everyone on this street. We have no formal neighborhood association but we do have a mutual heads up agreement that would allow me or any other on this street to intervene in some way to protect the property of another. Some of my neighbors have firearms, some don't. I have one antique, 1912 Springfield double-barrel, twelve gauge shotgun that is broken down and stored in a locked drawer along with fresh shells. I once had numerous firearms and a variety of ammunition. I adopted a disturbed girl child and had all those arms stored in trust for me by a gun nut relative.
Most of my neighbors have electronic alarm systems. I have chosen to feed sharp eared dogs and have a passive movement detector light and switch system that turns on lights inside and outside the house and puts on a recording of human voices and the sound of firearms being prepped for use. I maintain a strong defense line in my fences. The fences are backed by rank growing Bougainvillea (crown of thorn canes). I am prepared for just about any eventuality of human intrusion. If some Joe Crack-head is looking for something easy, he is going to pass me by. If some semi-pro burglar is looking to steal my rare book collection he is going to work for it. If LE gets a wrong address and enters my place, they might crash into a lot of noise and barking dogs with guns drawn but I have a very secure bedroom that can withstand 150 mph plus hurricane winds. Some real tough guys could make an entry with explosives but by the time that it came to that, they would have been advised that we were harmless except for some other other crative stumbling blocks. Still we would to subjected to rough handling and an assumption of guiltby LE until better minds came to straighten things out. An elderly, ill grandmother in some Chicago hell hole would probably get one round of her 38 off before she was riddled with bullets. Would the NRA mount a defense in her case? I don't think so.
My short answer is that to be prepared for home defense, a form of deadly force may be just the thing. Any LE agency that conducts no knock entries must accept the possibility that they may lose a team member to constitutionally permissible firearm defense by the intruded-upon. A neighbor has every right to call LE to alert then to an intrusion into a neighbors house. His dealdly response to intrusion is limited to the walls of his own abode. A person who goes into his yard and flourishes a firearm is treated harshly by LE no matter the circumstances. (thus the title of this piece) Some are even shot in their own doorways when spouting the NRA catch phrases of rights. LE doesn't like guns in the hands of those not in their ranks on the scene of an incident. If you have a firearm in your hands in their presence, you are subject to the use of deadly force by them. It may not be in the law books, court rulings or the constitution but it is drilled into the heads of recruits and old time cops, the NRA be damned.
If you shoot someone or harm them with any form of weapon, you will be treated as a common criminal until there is a ruling from your States Attorney's office and their agencies of the courts in your local community. If you shoot an intruder in your home, there is still a rigorous investigation of the circumstances. It makes no difference what the Constitution says, what the general opinion of the local community is, LE has a penchant for treating gun incidents as if they were atomic attacks.
I will soon have a story to tell about a recent experience I had with an ill trained and steroid ingesting police officer. Aside from providing me with a new set of experiences and a first hand view of the process to write about, it left me with a less thanconfident view of the capabilities of the field components of LE.
The man in Texas will have a long difficult time having his situation untangled. He will be subjected to closer observation by LE for the rest of his life. He is marked. The NRA be damned (by LE).
Being smart, prepared and courteous to LE is a lot more effective than being well armed.
I AM
What is your opinion concerning the self denfense law. Does it give
citizens the right to shoot burglars when they are not on your
property? Was this mans life in danger as he was trying to be a good
neighbor. What would you have done? Just get a description and then
report the break-in or take matters into your own hands? Should the
laws be changed?
Protecting Neighbor's Home Self-Defense?
Testing "Castle Doctrine," Grand Jury To Decide If Texas Man Was Right
To Kill Burglars
HOUSTON (CBS) -- It will be up to a Texas grand jury to decide whether
a man who fatally shot two men he thought were robbing his neighbor's
home acted within the state's self-defense laws.
Tough call. For all the wind that has passed through either end of NRA supporters and their leadership, there have been few incidences of "castle defense" that have not received a rigorous, abrasive and sometimes costly first responses leading to the death or arrest and then court appearances for the castle defender. The horror stories of no-knock entry by law enforcement into the wrong address have lead to some ugly outcomes for innocent residents and for armed residents who have shot the intruders whether LE or real bad guys. I don't know about where you live, but here by me in a metropolitan area of near 50 municipalities both large and tiny, there are ugly and questionable incidences of both plainly criminal and innocent protection shootings everyday or so. Nationally, the number would be astounding to some if they were all reported equally. Gun trauma and death are very common.
There are levels of defense and levels of thwarting crime that demand a firearm depending on remoteness of the victim from LE and neighbors. Individual protection within the confines of the walls of the home are different from that of the edge of the physical setting on which ones castle sits and the proximity of ones dwelling from ones neighbor. I live in a neighborhood that has large lots, 6-0 foot wooden, wire or masonry fences. My lot backs on a railroad and utility easement. The street is a U-shaped street that has a north and a south entry. I know everyone on this street. We have no formal neighborhood association but we do have a mutual heads up agreement that would allow me or any other on this street to intervene in some way to protect the property of another. Some of my neighbors have firearms, some don't. I have one antique, 1912 Springfield double-barrel, twelve gauge shotgun that is broken down and stored in a locked drawer along with fresh shells. I once had numerous firearms and a variety of ammunition. I adopted a disturbed girl child and had all those arms stored in trust for me by a gun nut relative.
Most of my neighbors have electronic alarm systems. I have chosen to feed sharp eared dogs and have a passive movement detector light and switch system that turns on lights inside and outside the house and puts on a recording of human voices and the sound of firearms being prepped for use. I maintain a strong defense line in my fences. The fences are backed by rank growing Bougainvillea (crown of thorn canes). I am prepared for just about any eventuality of human intrusion. If some Joe Crack-head is looking for something easy, he is going to pass me by. If some semi-pro burglar is looking to steal my rare book collection he is going to work for it. If LE gets a wrong address and enters my place, they might crash into a lot of noise and barking dogs with guns drawn but I have a very secure bedroom that can withstand 150 mph plus hurricane winds. Some real tough guys could make an entry with explosives but by the time that it came to that, they would have been advised that we were harmless except for some other other crative stumbling blocks. Still we would to subjected to rough handling and an assumption of guiltby LE until better minds came to straighten things out. An elderly, ill grandmother in some Chicago hell hole would probably get one round of her 38 off before she was riddled with bullets. Would the NRA mount a defense in her case? I don't think so.
My short answer is that to be prepared for home defense, a form of deadly force may be just the thing. Any LE agency that conducts no knock entries must accept the possibility that they may lose a team member to constitutionally permissible firearm defense by the intruded-upon. A neighbor has every right to call LE to alert then to an intrusion into a neighbors house. His dealdly response to intrusion is limited to the walls of his own abode. A person who goes into his yard and flourishes a firearm is treated harshly by LE no matter the circumstances. (thus the title of this piece) Some are even shot in their own doorways when spouting the NRA catch phrases of rights. LE doesn't like guns in the hands of those not in their ranks on the scene of an incident. If you have a firearm in your hands in their presence, you are subject to the use of deadly force by them. It may not be in the law books, court rulings or the constitution but it is drilled into the heads of recruits and old time cops, the NRA be damned.
If you shoot someone or harm them with any form of weapon, you will be treated as a common criminal until there is a ruling from your States Attorney's office and their agencies of the courts in your local community. If you shoot an intruder in your home, there is still a rigorous investigation of the circumstances. It makes no difference what the Constitution says, what the general opinion of the local community is, LE has a penchant for treating gun incidents as if they were atomic attacks.
I will soon have a story to tell about a recent experience I had with an ill trained and steroid ingesting police officer. Aside from providing me with a new set of experiences and a first hand view of the process to write about, it left me with a less thanconfident view of the capabilities of the field components of LE.
The man in Texas will have a long difficult time having his situation untangled. He will be subjected to closer observation by LE for the rest of his life. He is marked. The NRA be damned (by LE).
Being smart, prepared and courteous to LE is a lot more effective than being well armed.
I AM