No evidence Govt Covid Efforts accomplished anything

[Brain357]

I doubt our half ass lockdowns did help much. One state locks down and the neighboring state gets lots of visitors. Probably had to be a serious national lock down for any great effect.

 

[Cecilie1200]

No, its not a bad plan. Delaying and prolonging this situation is a bad plan. Thats common sense.

It is a bad plan. Not only does it result in large numbers of deaths, hospitalization and chronic disease, it also leads to mutated viruses which evade the immunity you've achieved.

It sabotages itself.

No, it doesn't. When you prolong and allow this to fester you allow more mutations. Again, that's just common sense.

Multiple voices all over the place said we'd have been better off, once we understood what we were dealing with, to just quarantine those with high-risk and let the rest of us power through to herd immunity. We could have already been done with this.

 

[colfax_m]

Multiple voices all over the place said we'd have been better off, once we understood what we were dealing with, to just quarantine those with high-risk and let the rest of us power through to herd immunity. We could have already been done with this.

Doing so would have brought on far more variants, each with the capacity to evade acquired immunity. It would have been more likely to perpetuate this forever than to end this.

 

[Cecilie1200]

As we approach the one-year anniversary of fifteen days to flatten the curve, we have yet to acquire any data suggesting that the past year of life-destroying lockdowns and politicized behavioral mandates has done anything to keep us safe from covid-19. While discussions surrounding the reintroduction of nationwide lockdowns seem to have ceased—it's impossible to ignore the lockdowns' disproportionately deadly effects and the numerous studies demonstrating their futility—the media still retain their grip on the narrative that nonpharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) such as mask mandates, curfews, capacity restrictions, gathering restrictions, and others remain necessary to prevail in our fight against covid-19 Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19 | Mises Wire
Can we put this all down to what not to do in the future. Its getting to the point of ,,,what can we make them do next

The trouble is that you had no national policy. You had 50 states each with their own policies. Sone states did the right thing while others did nothing. New Zealand's government instituted a national lockdown for nearly a month. They busted the curve. Trump and his supporters refused to take this seriously. That is where the fault lies.

No, the real trouble is that you're a dimwit who thinks this entire, huge nation is exactly alike everywhere you go, and can just be dealt with by blanket policies.

Thank you so much for that unsolicited and utterly irrelevant story about a nation that's A) the size of Colorado, and B) a fucking island. If we ever need "expert" advice from someone who has no clue what they're talking about, you will definitely be our first choice. Don't call us, we'll call you.

 

[MisterBeale]

There is some preliminary evidence, that the vaccine might be doing more harm than good.

Let’s see the evidence.

Search Results from the VAERS Database

Search Results from the VAERS Database

Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis With a “vaccine” based on untested technology, and safety trials still ongoing, is it safe to take the shot? And does it even work? And does a disease with an IFR of 0.2% even justify that risk?

Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis

With a “vaccine” based on untested technology, and safety trials still ongoing, is it safe to take the shot? And does it even work? And does a disease with an IFR of 0.2% even justify that risk?…

off-guardian.org

" . . . The incidences of immediate side effects in both trials were significant and dwarfed the absolute risk reduction in both the primary efficacy endpoints, as well as for “severe” Covid.

For example, for Moderna 81.9% experienced any systemic reaction. Grade 3 reactions (considered severe) were experienced by 17.4%. This is 79X more likely than the incidence of severe Covid in the Moderna group. (17.4/.22=79X) Based on preliminary reports of adverse events [emphasis added]:

This is an injury rate of 1 in every 40 jabs. This means that the 150 shots necessary to avert one mild case of COVID will cause serious injury to at least three people.“

The safety data for both companies is approximately only two months before receiving emergency use authorization status. Therefore, there is no data for mid-long term side effects, as the trials are ongoing.

The estimated completion date for Pfizer/BioNtech trials is Jan 31, 2023. The estimate completion date for Moderna trials is October 27, 2022.

According to the data, and elaborated by Tal Zaks (CMO of Moderna) the trials are not designed to demonstrate a reduction in transmission, due to “operational realities”. It is therefore baffling how medical doctors and public health officials are proclaiming these SGTs will promote herd immunity.

The manufacturers have also made it clear that efficacy beyond 2 months or so is unknown. Therefore, the 1% absolute risk reduction in mild/moderate, cold/flu symptoms may not last more than a few months. . . . "

So many problems. First, the safety data says grade 3 reactions were 1.5% of the treatment group, not 17%. They’re straight up lying. Furthermore, that was nearly identical to the severe reactions in the placebo, which goes to show that severe reactions to the vaccine are usually just coincidences.

Second, the vaccine trials weren’t intended to determine if it reduces transmission. Further data has been showing that for us after the vaccine trials. It’s dishonest to say that they don’t reduce transmission simply because the trial wasn’t designed to show that.

Last, the trials were published with 2 months of data, so yeah, they can’t say the immunity lasts longer than that. They almost certainly will be able to say it does once the trial goes on for a longer time frame.

I hate anti-vaccine bullshit.

The Vaccine (Dis)Information War

The Vaccine (Dis)Information War

So, good news, folks! It appears that GloboCap’s Genetic Modification Division has come up with a miracle vaccine for Covid! It’s an absolutely safe, non-experimental, messenger-RNA vac…

consentfactory.org

". . . OK, technically, it hasn’t been approved for use — that process normally takes several years — so I guess it’s slightly “experimental,” but the US Food and Drug Administration and the European Medicines Agency have issued “Emergency Use Authorizations,” and it has been “tested extensively for safety and effectiveness,” according to Facebook’s anonymous “fact checkers,” so there’s absolutely nothing to worry about.

This non-experimental experimental vaccine is truly a historic development, because apart from saving the world from a virus that causes mild to moderate flu-like symptoms (or, more commonly, no symptoms whatsoever) in roughly 95% of those infected, and that over 99% of those infected survive, the possibilities for future applications of messenger-RNA technology, and the genetic modification of humans, generally, is virtually unlimited at this point.

Imagine all the diseases we can cure, and all the genetic “mistakes” we can fix, now that we can reprogram people’s genes to do whatever we want … cancer, heart disease, dementia, blindness, not to mention the common cold! We could even cure psychiatric disorders, like “antisocial personality disorder,” “oppositional defiant disorder,” and other “conduct disorders” and “personality disorders.” Who knows? In another hundred years, we will probably be able to genetically cleanse the human species of age-old scourges, like racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, homophobia, transphobia, etcetera, by reprogramming everyone’s defective alleles, or implanting some kind of nanotechnological neurosynaptic chips into our brains. The only thing standing in our way is people’s totally irrational resistance to letting corporations redesign the human organism, which, clearly, was rather poorly designed, and thus is vulnerable to all these horrible diseases, and emotional and behavioral disorders.

But I’m getting a little ahead of myself. The important thing at the moment is to defeat this common-flu-like pestilence that has no significant effect on age-adjusted death rates, and the mortality profile of which is more or less identical to the normal mortality profile, but which has nonetheless left the global corporatocracy no choice but to “lock down” the entire planet, plunge millions into desperate poverty, order everyone to wear medical-looking masks, unleash armed goon squads to raid people’s homes, and otherwise transform society into a pathologized-totalitarian nightmare. And, of course, the only way to do that (i.e., save humanity from a flu-like bug) is to coercively vaccinate every single human being on the planet Earth!

OK, you’re probably thinking that doesn’t make much sense, this crusade to vaccinate the entire species against a relatively standard respiratory virus, but that’s just because you are still thinking critically. You really need to stop thinking like that. As The New York Times just pointed out, “critical thinking isn’t helping.” In fact, it might be symptomatic of one of those “disorders” I just mentioned above. Critical thinking leads to “vaccine hesitancy,” which is why corporations are working with governments to immediately censor any and all content that deviates from the official Covid-19 narrative and deplatform the authors of such content, or discredit them as “anti-vax disinformationists.”

For example, Children’s Health Defense, which has been reporting on so-called “adverse events” and deaths in connection with the Covid vaccines, despite the fact that, according to the authorities, “there are no safety problems with the vaccines” and “there is no link between Covid-19 vaccines and those who die after receiving them.” In fact, according to the “fact-checkers” at Reuters, these purported “reports of adverse events” “may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable!”

Yes, you’re reading between the lines right. The corporate media can’t come right out and say it, but it appears the “anti-vax disinformationists” are fabricating “adverse events” out of whole cloth and hacking them into the VAERS database and other such systems around the world. Worse, they are somehow infiltrating these made-up stories into the mainstream media in order to lure people into “vaccine hesitancy” and stop us from vaccinating every man, woman, and child in the physical universe, repeatedly, on an ongoing basis, for as long as the “medical experts” deem necessary.

Here are just a few examples of their handiwork …"

 

[colfax_m]

This non-experimental experimental vaccine is truly a historic development, because apart from saving the world from a virus that causes mild to moderate flu-like symptoms (or, more commonly, no symptoms whatsoever) in roughly 95% of those infected, and that over 99% of those infected survive, the possibilities for future applications of messenger-RNA technology, and the genetic modification of humans, generally, is virtually unlimited at this point.

An mRNA vaccine doesn't result in genetic modification. Swing and a miss.

Imagine all the diseases we can cure, and all the genetic “mistakes” we can fix, now that we can reprogram people’s genes to do whatever we want … cancer, heart disease, dementia, blindness, not to mention the common cold! We could even cure psychiatric disorders, like “antisocial personality disorder,” “oppositional defiant disorder,” and other “conduct disorders” and “personality disorders.” Who knows?

Even if it were genetic modification, few if any of the diseases mentioned have an identifiable single genetic cause. A better target would be something like sickle cell disease, Duchene's muscular dystrophy. Not sure why this is a talking point anyway.

But I’m getting a little ahead of myself. The important thing at the moment is to defeat this common-flu-like pestilence that has no significant effect on age-adjusted death rates, and the mortality profile of which is more or less identical to the normal mortality profile, but which has nonetheless left the global corporatocracy no choice but to “lock down” the entire planet, plunge millions into desperate poverty, order everyone to wear medical-looking masks, unleash armed goon squads to raid people’s homes, and otherwise transform society into a pathologized-totalitarian nightmare. And, of course, the only way to do that (i.e., save humanity from a flu-like bug) is to coercively vaccinate every single human being on the planet Earth!

No significant effect, huh? American Life Expectancy Dropped By A Full Year In 1st Half Of 2020

OK, you’re probably thinking that doesn’t make much sense, this crusade to vaccinate the entire species against a relatively standard respiratory virus, but that’s just because you are still thinking critically.

What's next? Vaccinating people against other respiratory viruses? Next thing you know we'll be vaccinating people for influenza!

Oh wait.

For example, Children’s Health Defense, which has been reporting on so-called “adverse events” and deaths in connection with the Covid vaccines, despite the fact that, according to the authorities, “there are no safety problems with the vaccines” and “there is no link between Covid-19 vaccines and those who die after receiving them.” In fact, according to the “fact-checkers” at Reuters, these purported “reports of adverse events” “may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable!”

When you vaccinate millions and millions and millions of people, you're bound to find things that happened immediately afterwards that have zero to do with the vaccine. The system is designed to track trends/patterns, so far they're not finding any.

 

[beagle9]

As we approach the one-year anniversary of fifteen days to flatten the curve, we have yet to acquire any data suggesting that the past year of life-destroying lockdowns and politicized behavioral mandates has done anything to keep us safe from covid-19. While discussions surrounding the reintroduction of nationwide lockdowns seem to have ceased—it's impossible to ignore the lockdowns' disproportionately deadly effects and the numerous studies demonstrating their futility—the media still retain their grip on the narrative that nonpharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) such as mask mandates, curfews, capacity restrictions, gathering restrictions, and others remain necessary to prevail in our fight against covid-19 Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19 | Mises Wire
Can we put this all down to what not to do in the future. Its getting to the point of ,,,what can we make them do next

I got the thing back in ummmmmm, heck I forget now, but after recovered from that, then many month's later I got a cold from the grands. Anyways the cold kicked some butt, and I had the flem and everything that an old cold gives you. Well after two weeks it had subsided, but I told my doctor that I had had a cold, and he snickered and said a cold ? Then he said "I didn't think colds or flu exist any more". He said that he hadn't seen a flu or cold since the pandemic began. Wow, so Covid destroyed the cold and flu seasons ? Hmmm maybe everything being called Covid destroyed the cold and flu season. My wife said that a pharmacy she goes too, made a statement that they hadn't filled any prescriptions for tama-flu this season or not since Covid came along. Hmmmmmm.

 

[beagle9]

There is some preliminary evidence, that the vaccine might be doing more harm than good.

Let’s see the evidence.

Search Results from the VAERS Database

Search Results from the VAERS Database

Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis With a “vaccine” based on untested technology, and safety trials still ongoing, is it safe to take the shot? And does it even work? And does a disease with an IFR of 0.2% even justify that risk?

Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis

With a “vaccine” based on untested technology, and safety trials still ongoing, is it safe to take the shot? And does it even work? And does a disease with an IFR of 0.2% even justify that risk?…

off-guardian.org

" . . . The incidences of immediate side effects in both trials were significant and dwarfed the absolute risk reduction in both the primary efficacy endpoints, as well as for “severe” Covid.

For example, for Moderna 81.9% experienced any systemic reaction. Grade 3 reactions (considered severe) were experienced by 17.4%. This is 79X more likely than the incidence of severe Covid in the Moderna group. (17.4/.22=79X) Based on preliminary reports of adverse events [emphasis added]:

This is an injury rate of 1 in every 40 jabs. This means that the 150 shots necessary to avert one mild case of COVID will cause serious injury to at least three people.“

The safety data for both companies is approximately only two months before receiving emergency use authorization status. Therefore, there is no data for mid-long term side effects, as the trials are ongoing.

The estimated completion date for Pfizer/BioNtech trials is Jan 31, 2023. The estimate completion date for Moderna trials is October 27, 2022.

According to the data, and elaborated by Tal Zaks (CMO of Moderna) the trials are not designed to demonstrate a reduction in transmission, due to “operational realities”. It is therefore baffling how medical doctors and public health officials are proclaiming these SGTs will promote herd immunity.

The manufacturers have also made it clear that efficacy beyond 2 months or so is unknown. Therefore, the 1% absolute risk reduction in mild/moderate, cold/flu symptoms may not last more than a few months. . . . "

So many problems. First, the safety data says grade 3 reactions were 1.5% of the treatment group, not 17%. They’re straight up lying. Furthermore, that was nearly identical to the severe reactions in the placebo, which goes to show that severe reactions to the vaccine are usually just coincidences.

Second, the vaccine trials weren’t intended to determine if it reduces transmission. Further data has been showing that for us after the vaccine trials. It’s dishonest to say that they don’t reduce transmission simply because the trial wasn’t designed to show that.

Last, the trials were published with 2 months of data, so yeah, they can’t say the immunity lasts longer than that. They almost certainly will be able to say it does once the trial goes on for a longer time frame.

I hate anti-vaccine bullshit.

The Vaccine (Dis)Information War

The Vaccine (Dis)Information War

So, good news, folks! It appears that GloboCap’s Genetic Modification Division has come up with a miracle vaccine for Covid! It’s an absolutely safe, non-experimental, messenger-RNA vac…

consentfactory.org

". . . OK, technically, it hasn’t been approved for use — that process normally takes several years — so I guess it’s slightly “experimental,” but the US Food and Drug Administration and the European Medicines Agency have issued “Emergency Use Authorizations,” and it has been “tested extensively for safety and effectiveness,” according to Facebook’s anonymous “fact checkers,” so there’s absolutely nothing to worry about.

This non-experimental experimental vaccine is truly a historic development, because apart from saving the world from a virus that causes mild to moderate flu-like symptoms (or, more commonly, no symptoms whatsoever) in roughly 95% of those infected, and that over 99% of those infected survive, the possibilities for future applications of messenger-RNA technology, and the genetic modification of humans, generally, is virtually unlimited at this point.

Imagine all the diseases we can cure, and all the genetic “mistakes” we can fix, now that we can reprogram people’s genes to do whatever we want … cancer, heart disease, dementia, blindness, not to mention the common cold! We could even cure psychiatric disorders, like “antisocial personality disorder,” “oppositional defiant disorder,” and other “conduct disorders” and “personality disorders.” Who knows? In another hundred years, we will probably be able to genetically cleanse the human species of age-old scourges, like racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, homophobia, transphobia, etcetera, by reprogramming everyone’s defective alleles, or implanting some kind of nanotechnological neurosynaptic chips into our brains. The only thing standing in our way is people’s totally irrational resistance to letting corporations redesign the human organism, which, clearly, was rather poorly designed, and thus is vulnerable to all these horrible diseases, and emotional and behavioral disorders.

But I’m getting a little ahead of myself. The important thing at the moment is to defeat this common-flu-like pestilence that has no significant effect on age-adjusted death rates, and the mortality profile of which is more or less identical to the normal mortality profile, but which has nonetheless left the global corporatocracy no choice but to “lock down” the entire planet, plunge millions into desperate poverty, order everyone to wear medical-looking masks, unleash armed goon squads to raid people’s homes, and otherwise transform society into a pathologized-totalitarian nightmare. And, of course, the only way to do that (i.e., save humanity from a flu-like bug) is to coercively vaccinate every single human being on the planet Earth!

OK, you’re probably thinking that doesn’t make much sense, this crusade to vaccinate the entire species against a relatively standard respiratory virus, but that’s just because you are still thinking critically. You really need to stop thinking like that. As The New York Times just pointed out, “critical thinking isn’t helping.” In fact, it might be symptomatic of one of those “disorders” I just mentioned above. Critical thinking leads to “vaccine hesitancy,” which is why corporations are working with governments to immediately censor any and all content that deviates from the official Covid-19 narrative and deplatform the authors of such content, or discredit them as “anti-vax disinformationists.”

For example, Children’s Health Defense, which has been reporting on so-called “adverse events” and deaths in connection with the Covid vaccines, despite the fact that, according to the authorities, “there are no safety problems with the vaccines” and “there is no link between Covid-19 vaccines and those who die after receiving them.” In fact, according to the “fact-checkers” at Reuters, these purported “reports of adverse events” “may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable!”

Yes, you’re reading between the lines right. The corporate media can’t come right out and say it, but it appears the “anti-vax disinformationists” are fabricating “adverse events” out of whole cloth and hacking them into the VAERS database and other such systems around the world. Worse, they are somehow infiltrating these made-up stories into the mainstream media in order to lure people into “vaccine hesitancy” and stop us from vaccinating every man, woman, and child in the physical universe, repeatedly, on an ongoing basis, for as long as the “medical experts” deem necessary.

Here are just a few examples of their handiwork …"

My friend and his wife got vaccinated (the first shot), and it had a reaction on him. He left work I heard sick and throwing up. Called to check on them, and he got alright. It sounds like the flu shot the way it got him sick, so I wonder if it's any different than the flu shot, otherwise they study the virus, arrest it, and then formulate a single shot using chicken eggs as the host until they make the shot ? Wonder what the difference is in the process or between the two types of viruses ?

 

[beagle9]

No, its not a bad plan. Delaying and prolonging this situation is a bad plan. Thats common sense.

It is a bad plan. Not only does it result in large numbers of deaths, hospitalization and chronic disease, it also leads to mutated viruses which evade the immunity you've achieved.

It sabotages itself.

No, it doesn't. When you prolong and allow this to fester you allow more mutations. Again, that's just common sense.

Multiple voices all over the place said we'd have been better off, once we understood what we were dealing with, to just quarantine those with high-risk and let the rest of us power through to herd immunity. We could have already been done with this.

Now how could politic's get played in your senario ? Snicker.

 

[colfax_m]

Now how could politic's get played in your senario ? Snicker.

It’s not politics. It’s just a bad idea.

 

[beagle9]

Multiple voices all over the place said we'd have been better off, once we understood what we were dealing with, to just quarantine those with high-risk and let the rest of us power through to herd immunity. We could have already been done with this.

Doing so would have brought on far more variants, each with the capacity to evade acquired immunity. It would have been more likely to perpetuate this forever than to end this.

Varients are like global warming, climate change or other varients the leftist choose to use eh ?? Politic's.

 

[colfax_m]

Multiple voices all over the place said we'd have been better off, once we understood what we were dealing with, to just quarantine those with high-risk and let the rest of us power through to herd immunity. We could have already been done with this.

Doing so would have brought on far more variants, each with the capacity to evade acquired immunity. It would have been more likely to perpetuate this forever than to end this.

Varients are like global warming, climate change or other varients the leftist choose to use eh ?? Politic's.

I’m sorry, what?

 

[Cecilie1200]

No, its not a bad plan. Delaying and prolonging this situation is a bad plan. Thats common sense.

It is a bad plan. Not only does it result in large numbers of deaths, hospitalization and chronic disease, it also leads to mutated viruses which evade the immunity you've achieved.

It sabotages itself.

No, it doesn't. When you prolong and allow this to fester you allow more mutations. Again, that's just common sense.

Multiple voices all over the place said we'd have been better off, once we understood what we were dealing with, to just quarantine those with high-risk and let the rest of us power through to herd immunity. We could have already been done with this.

Now how could politic's get played in your senario ? Snicker.

The lack of playing politics was actually a feature, not a bug, of my scenario.

 

[beagle9]

Multiple voices all over the place said we'd have been better off, once we understood what we were dealing with, to just quarantine those with high-risk and let the rest of us power through to herd immunity. We could have already been done with this.

Doing so would have brought on far more variants, each with the capacity to evade acquired immunity. It would have been more likely to perpetuate this forever than to end this.

Varients are like global warming, climate change or other varients the leftist choose to use eh ?? Politic's.

I’m sorry, what?

Otherwise are varients real or made up ?? How can you tell ? Is there truly a doctor in the house ?? Political games can be nefarious and misleading in order to gain some sort of outcome that isn't truly related to that which is being accused, whether it's Covid varients, Climate or etc.

 

[colfax_m]

Multiple voices all over the place said we'd have been better off, once we understood what we were dealing with, to just quarantine those with high-risk and let the rest of us power through to herd immunity. We could have already been done with this.

Doing so would have brought on far more variants, each with the capacity to evade acquired immunity. It would have been more likely to perpetuate this forever than to end this.

Varients are like global warming, climate change or other varients the leftist choose to use eh ?? Politic's.

I’m sorry, what?

Otherwise are varients real or made up ?? How can you tell ? Is there truly a doctor in the house ?? Political games can be nefarious and misleading in order to gain some sort of outcome that isn't truly related to that which is being accused, whether it's Covid varients, Climate or etc.

Did we land on the moon?

 

[beagle9]

Multiple voices all over the place said we'd have been better off, once we understood what we were dealing with, to just quarantine those with high-risk and let the rest of us power through to herd immunity. We could have already been done with this.

Doing so would have brought on far more variants, each with the capacity to evade acquired immunity. It would have been more likely to perpetuate this forever than to end this.

Varients are like global warming, climate change or other varients the leftist choose to use eh ?? Politic's.

I’m sorry, what?

Otherwise are varients real or made up ?? How can you tell ? Is there truly a doctor in the house ?? Political games can be nefarious and misleading in order to gain some sort of outcome that isn't truly related to that which is being accused, whether it's Covid varients, Climate or etc.

Did we land on the moon?

I don't know, did we ??? Prove it.

 

[colfax_m]

I don't know, did we ??? Prove it.

Exactly.

 

[beagle9]

I don't know, did we ??? Prove it.

Exactly.

Prove it.