NFL Owners Considering Rule Change Requiring Players to Stand for National Anthem

[flacaltenn]

Does the NFL Require Players to Stand for the National Anthem?
You know your bickering about shit I don't give a **** about gets old. Nit picking stuff that doesn't need to be nit picked.

No, the NFL does not [currently] require players to stand during the National Anthem.

Players are violating rules in the Game Day Operations Manuals.

Prove it...

I did.. We discussed it. YOU just played semantics. That rule from the Operations Manual has been leaked by MULTIPLE NFL officials to multiple news org. I posted it.

Solid GOLD leak.. Compared to the sewage that the NYTimes and WashPo print..

LOL

You proved nothing at all. You made some unsubstantiated claims, that’s it. Thanks for admitting you can’t actually prove what you claim.

Wasn't ME that made those claims. It was TIME MAGAZINE you ******* troll...

 

[Faun]

I seem to remember the leftists being all upset over Tim WhatsHisName kneeling to pray during NFL games. Member?

Freedom of speech? First amendment "rights?"

Can you quote Liberals saying he was disrespecting the country? Should be fired? Boycotted the NFL?

By the way, many players kneel in prayer...

... I don’t see Liberals bitching and moaning over that. No Liberal president hoping they get fired for it. No Liberals tuning off the NFL.

Try harder.

 

[ChrisL]

I seem to remember the leftists being all upset over Tim WhatsHisName kneeling to pray during NFL games. Member?

Freedom of speech? First amendment "rights?"

Can you quote Liberals saying he was disrespecting the country? Should be fired? Boycotted the NFL?

By the way, many players kneel in prayer...

... I don’t see Liberals bitching and moaning over that. No Liberal president hoping they get fired for it. No Liberals tuning off the NFL.

Try harder.

No, they just called him a rapist and a pedophile and made all kinds of nasty comments. No difference between the two situations. The leftists were angry about a man professing his faith on the field, and conservatives are upset about a man professing his disdain for our police officers on the field.

 

[ChrisL]

Flashback: When Tebow Knelt

Ah, the media double standard. When a NFL player kneels in protest, it’s considered “unifying,” according to MSNBC. When Tim Tebow kneels in prayer, NBC calls it “polarizing.”


While the NFL outrage poured in on all fronts over the weekend, resulting in mass protests among football players that were heavily encouraged by both the media and liberal celebrities, it’s interesting to note that about six years ago, these same outlets bashed quarterback Tim Tebow for kneeling on the field in prayer.

In 2015, NBC’s Matt Lauer called Tebow “one of the most popular and polarizing quarterbacks in NFL history.” But that’s just some of the nicer things the media has aimed at Tebow for daring to flaunt his Christianity on a public platform.

In 2012, the always classy Chelsea Handler said that if she dated Tebow, it would be “reverse rape.” CBSChicago.com called Tebow “little more than an affable simpleton” earlier that same year. And when the New York Jets hired Tebow, Nation sports editor Dave Zirin accused them of “moving backwards 30 or 40 years” because LGBT fans didn’t like Tebow.

There wasn’t even a real controversy perpetrated by Tebow. He didn’t commit a crime or protest. CBS Sports columnist Gregg Doyel said in 2011 that if “Tebow had more class he’d just kill dogs or get drunk and run over somebody and maybe end their life.” The stream of unjustified hate was unending.

 

[Faun]

No, the NFL does not [currently] require players to stand during the National Anthem.

Players are violating rules in the Game Day Operations Manuals.

Prove it...

I did.. We discussed it. YOU just played semantics. That rule from the Operations Manual has been leaked by MULTIPLE NFL officials to multiple news org. I posted it.

Solid GOLD leak.. Compared to the sewage that the NYTimes and WashPo print..

LOL

You proved nothing at all. You made some unsubstantiated claims, that’s it. Thanks for admitting you can’t actually prove what you claim.

Wasn't ME that made those claims. It was TIME MAGAZINE you ******* troll...

You’re talking about this...??

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.​

LOL

No wonder it took you so many posts to reference that, it doesn’t state players “must” stand for the National Anthem. It says they “should.” That’s no more than a suggestion.

What “must” occur?

Playing the National Anthem prior to every NFL game. Also, players “must” “be on the sideline” while it’s playing.

Standing? It says they “should stand at attention,” not “must stand at attention.”

Furthermore, it clearly states disciplinary actions may be taken for failure to be on the field at the start of the National Anthem, which players “must” do, according to that text. It doesn’t say anything about disciplinary actions for not standing because standing is optional. They “should” stand, they don’t have to.

 

[Faun]

I seem to remember the leftists being all upset over Tim WhatsHisName kneeling to pray during NFL games. Member?

Freedom of speech? First amendment "rights?"

Can you quote Liberals saying he was disrespecting the country? Should be fired? Boycotted the NFL?

By the way, many players kneel in prayer...

... I don’t see Liberals bitching and moaning over that. No Liberal president hoping they get fired for it. No Liberals tuning off the NFL.

Try harder.

No, they just called him a rapist and a pedophile and made all kinds of nasty comments. No difference between the two situations. The leftists were angry about a man professing his faith on the field, and conservatives are upset about a man professing his disdain for our police officers on the field.

Again... happens all the time. No one is bitching.

 

[ChrisL]

I seem to remember the leftists being all upset over Tim WhatsHisName kneeling to pray during NFL games. Member?

Freedom of speech? First amendment "rights?"

Can you quote Liberals saying he was disrespecting the country? Should be fired? Boycotted the NFL?

By the way, many players kneel in prayer...

... I don’t see Liberals bitching and moaning over that. No Liberal president hoping they get fired for it. No Liberals tuning off the NFL.

Try harder.

No, they just called him a rapist and a pedophile and made all kinds of nasty comments. No difference between the two situations. The leftists were angry about a man professing his faith on the field, and conservatives are upset about a man professing his disdain for our police officers on the field.

Again... happens all the time. No one is bitching.

Yes, there was PLENTY of bitching to go around. Apparently, you are either in denial or just being dishonest. Plenty of leftist outlets were JUST as outraged by Tim Tebow kneeling to pray.

 

[Faun]

I seem to remember the leftists being all upset over Tim WhatsHisName kneeling to pray during NFL games. Member?

Freedom of speech? First amendment "rights?"

Can you quote Liberals saying he was disrespecting the country? Should be fired? Boycotted the NFL?

By the way, many players kneel in prayer...

... I don’t see Liberals bitching and moaning over that. No Liberal president hoping they get fired for it. No Liberals tuning off the NFL.

Try harder.

No, they just called him a rapist and a pedophile and made all kinds of nasty comments. No difference between the two situations. The leftists were angry about a man professing his faith on the field, and conservatives are upset about a man professing his disdain for our police officers on the field.

Again... happens all the time. No one is bitching.

Yes, there was PLENTY of bitching to go around. Apparently, you are either in denial or just being dishonest. Plenty of leftist outlets were JUST as outraged by Tim Tebow kneeling to pray.

Maybe some folks didn’t like Tebow but no one was calling to boycott the NFL. Obama never said he wished Tebow would be fired for kneeling in prayer. And again, kneeling in prayer is commonplace in the NFL....

... who’s bitching? Who’s boycotting? Who’s expressing hope the NFL will not allow them to express their First Amendment rights??

 

[ChrisL]

Tebow Prime Example of Media's Double Standard on Taking a Knee or Taking a Stand

 

[ChrisL]

I seem to remember the leftists being all upset over Tim WhatsHisName kneeling to pray during NFL games. Member?

Freedom of speech? First amendment "rights?"

Can you quote Liberals saying he was disrespecting the country? Should be fired? Boycotted the NFL?

By the way, many players kneel in prayer...

... I don’t see Liberals bitching and moaning over that. No Liberal president hoping they get fired for it. No Liberals tuning off the NFL.

Try harder.

No, they just called him a rapist and a pedophile and made all kinds of nasty comments. No difference between the two situations. The leftists were angry about a man professing his faith on the field, and conservatives are upset about a man professing his disdain for our police officers on the field.

Again... happens all the time. No one is bitching.

Yes, there was PLENTY of bitching to go around. Apparently, you are either in denial or just being dishonest. Plenty of leftist outlets were JUST as outraged by Tim Tebow kneeling to pray.

Maybe some folks didn’t like Tebow but no one was calling to boycott the NFL. Obama never said he wished Tebow would be fired for kneeling in prayer. And again, kneeling in prayer is commonplace in the NFL....

... who’s bitching? Who’s boycotting? Who’s expressing hope the NFL will not allow them to express their First Amendment rights??

Like I said, there was plenty of bitching going on. They even came up with a name for it, "Tebowing" which was meant to be derogatory. We don't know if people maybe boycotted watching the NFL over it. In any case, boycotting a business is another "right" of American citizens. Are you saying people should be FORCED to watch the NFL?

 

[saveliberty]

Again... happens all the time. No one is bitching.

That is not going on during the National Anthem, nor is it a protest moron.

 

[Faun]

Tebow Prime Example of Media's Double Standard on Taking a Knee or Taking a Stand

There are actually no examples in that link. Just uncorroborated claims. Like claiming the NFL didn’t support him. I don’t recall the NFL ever telling him he couldn’t kneel. Also, he wasn’t “chased” out of the NFL for kneeling. He bounced around several teams before not getting picked up by any because he sucked in the NFL. Hell, he was worse than Kaepernick. Had nothing to do with his religious beliefs of kneeling in prayer... which again, is commonplace...

 

[tigerred59]

NFL black players, not all of them, but some will kneel because they damned well please and if the NFL commissioner don't like it, than kiss our ass.

 

[Faun]

Again... happens all the time. No one is bitching.

That is not going on during the National Anthem, nor is it a protest moron.

So? Who said it was? Someone said the left bitched about Tebow kneeling in prayer and i’m showing it was Tebow, and not his kneeling, that sparked outrage.

Kneeling in prayer occurs all the time...

... no bitching ... no boycotts ... no calling for the suppression of their First Amendment rights.

 

[saveliberty]

Again... happens all the time. No one is bitching.

That is not going on during the National Anthem, nor is it a protest moron.

Your
So? Who said it was? Someone said the left bitched about Tebow kneeling in prayer and i’m showing it was Tebow, and not his kneeling, that sparked outrage.

Kneeling in prayer occurs all the time...

... no bitching ... no boycotts ... no calling for the suppression of their First Amendment rights.

Your inability to see the differences is not going to change by me restating the obvious. But I am an optimist so here goes. Kneeling during the Anthem is a protest that offends many patriots and service members. It is disrepectful period. Gathering either before the games activities or after in prayer is not a protest nor disrespectful toward anyone.

 

[Faun]

Again... happens all the time. No one is bitching.

That is not going on during the National Anthem, nor is it a protest moron.

Your
So? Who said it was? Someone said the left bitched about Tebow kneeling in prayer and i’m showing it was Tebow, and not his kneeling, that sparked outrage.

Kneeling in prayer occurs all the time...

... no bitching ... no boycotts ... no calling for the suppression of their First Amendment rights.

Your inability to see the differences is not going to change by me restating the obvious. But I am an optimist so here goes. Kneeling during the Anthem is a protest that offends many patriots and service members. It is disrepectful period. Gathering either before the games activities or after in prayer is not a protest nor disrespectful toward anyone.

It offends self-described patriots who spit on the Constitution which protects the rights of folks to protest; and hypocritical service members who are confused by why they served — which was to preserve the Constitution, which again, preserves the right to protest.

 

[Correll]

NFL black players, not all of them, but some will kneel because they damned well please and if the NFL commissioner don't like it, than kiss our ass.

If the league has to choose between the fans and the players, they will choose the fans.


They can fill those players slots in minutes. The fans they lose, might never come back.


And that's hits them in the wallet.


Let's see how committed these millionaire activists really are.

 

[EverCurious]

Related: a long OP ED about Tebow that touches on a lot of the same arguments; even perceived boycotting and collusion between coaches - Why No One in the NFL Wants Tim Tebow – Laces Out

In his update I think he makes a great point about coaches being forced by their fans to run Tebow as a starter, instead of "their guy" and them not being willing to deal with that - I find that an interesting coincidence since Kap is asking for "starter" pay even though he'd most certainly be hired as a backup...


On a semi-related note; ROGGEERRRS NOOOOOO - My husband says he can boycott the rest of the season now though

 

[Pogo]

I seem to remember the leftists being all upset over Tim WhatsHisName kneeling to pray during NFL games. Member?

Freedom of speech? First amendment "rights?"

I don't member, but you must not follow a lot of sports. Praying, pointing at the sky after some success, and making the sign of the cross are common in sports. You can see it several times in any random game. I've seen it since I was a kid, and that's like three hundred thousand years.

 

[Pogo]

Nonsense. Any protest is a First Amendment issue. But as a private organization, the company does have the right to deny an employee the right to express their Constitutional rights.

And as you've been shown, the rule book says nothing about standing for the National Anthem.

Official NFL Rule Book

You're not listening. It's NOT in rules of Football. It's a PROPRIETARY business document that lays out Franchise operation rules on Game Day. AND -- it's been officially leaked by SEVERAL NFL officials. Dont' expect KFC to link to the 7 secret spices and don't expect the NFL to publish it's Operations Manuals.

Try listening to yourself....

"And the Rule Book calls for respect for the pomp and ceremony."



I gave you a link to the official rule book -- quote where it says that...

Protests at PRIVATE EVENTS by employees are NOT "protected speech". Give it up.. ESPECIALLY when they're kicking the country as a whole in the teeth without a message..

Nice try to attempt to spin my words into something I never said.

Fail.

I never said that their First Amendment rights are protected while on the job. In fact, I even pointed out the NFL has the right to not allow them to protest. But the NFL is allowing it and they are indeed expressing their First Amendment rights.

Which is what brave Americans have fought and bled for.

What a shame you can't understand that.

Now you're being intentionally dumb. It's not in the rules of football. It's in CORPORATE manuals for operations on game day. And you KNOW that. You're just promulgating the lie that got you by.. Nice try. Doesn't fly. By -try - fly...

LOLOL

I'm quoting you ... soooo .... if I sound dumb ..............



But again ... YOU SAID, "the Rule Book calls for respect for the pomp and ceremony."

So show me where the rule book says that........

Now you've past dumb and you're just trolling me. MULTIPLE rule books exist. Not just the one that explains a "safety or field goal"..

An "operations manual" is not a "rule book". By definition --- YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO RULE BOOKS.

How many Constitutions does the United States have? What would happen if we wrote a second one?

The bottom line remains that the national anthem has no function at a football game, or any other sporting event, unless the event is part of the Olympics........ where nations compete against each other.

Since you stilll won't address that matter, let's try yet another angle.

If the game of football did not exist, and you invented it tonight and wrote up its rules and designed a league made up entirely of intranational teams --------------------------- would those rules involve a national anthem?

And if 'yes' --- what for?