New York Times: $15 an Hour is Meant to Drive Fast Food Out of Business

[hadit]

Not to worry, soon there will be robots to replace people. I find it hard to believe a robot can be bought and maintained for much less then 15 dollars an hour but because of the liberals good intentions we soon may find out.

Oh robots are horribly expensive to run. But $15/hr is just the face value cost. When you add in the taxes, the health care mandates, the unemployment insurance that's mandatory, and on and on and on, the wage is way way higher. Suddenly, a kiosk is cheaper. Automated fry cookers and burger flippers. Tons of cash. But eventually you drive up costs enough, and it becomes economical.

That is correct. The true cost of labor is significantly higher than just the hourly amount paid to the employee, and automated systems don't take sick days or show up with a bad attitude.

Nobody wants to be served by robots...but would prefer happy employees who care about their jobs. What do you RW a-holes have about a happy, stable country...

Really? When was the last time you drove a car built by human hands? The truth is that robots do a better job than humans, and are already doing a buttload of manual labor that humans used to do. See all those self checkout lines at the super market? Got somebody to pump your gas for you lately?

 

[initforme]

Down with fast food... down with fast food...LMAO....I could care less whether fast food does well or if it tanks. Has no effect on me.for as much as I eat it. Dream job: whistleblower.

 

[LOki]

Just like with old Earth creationists, when superstitious statist retards get cornered by their own dumb, they revert to the fundamentals of what they do best... just making shit up.

The Supreme Court and the Constitution are made up shit?

The Supreme Court and the Constitution gives you the moral authority to decide for EVERYONE what work is worth--Yeah, that's some made up shit right there, Cupcake.

Pascal's "the bet" is made up?

Yeah, Pumpkin. A fundamental premise of Pascal's wager is some made up shit.

WTF ARE you talking about?

The predictable fact that superstitious retards of all flavor invoke made-up shit when they get cornered by their own dumb. A prediction that you are furiously validating.

It's just fascinating.

Nope just the MINIMUM. DUH

RWers are a helluva lot more superstitious.

You are an idiot troll, methinks lol.

Left... Right... whatever.

Statists gonna state.

There are a lot of faithful adherents to the Church of Beneficent Government... it's all just superstition.

Don't Stop Believin', Pumpkin.

Yeah, I believe in good gov't, too bad we haven't had it since the greatest generation left the building before Reaganism.

Ah, the good old days! "Do you fondly recall Woodstock and Kent State, or Happy Days and misogyny? In the good old days, they tended to hang black people up from trees, not let women vote and criminalize gay people. They may have been good times if you were a straight white dude though."

So what's your alternative?

Pay people what their work is worth. Stop stealing from folks just because they have more. Stop forcing folks to do what you want them to do at gunpoint... "for their own good."

That sort of thing.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis​

Ay caramba. We need a living wage in this country, about $12 at least.

Why? Demonstrate this "necessity." Trust me, "there are poor folk" is no argument. You need to demonstrate with valid logic applied to verifiable facts of reality that putting your gun in the face of worker trying to better himself, and telling him to give up his earned wages to your preferred "charity" is something we "need."

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." --William Pitt​

Cheaper college, vacations, paid parental leave- and to wait for bosses to do it in this whacky country is stupid...

That's all cool, just not from the barrel your gun.

"It is self-evident that no number of men, by conspiring, and calling themselves a government, can acquire any rights whatever over other men, or other men's property, which they had not before, as individuals. And whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." --Lysander Spooner​

 

[Freewill]

Not to worry, soon there will be robots to replace people. I find it hard to believe a robot can be bought and maintained for much less then 15 dollars an hour but because of the liberals good intentions we soon may find out.

Oh robots are horribly expensive to run. But $15/hr is just the face value cost. When you add in the taxes, the health care mandates, the unemployment insurance that's mandatory, and on and on and on, the wage is way way higher. Suddenly, a kiosk is cheaper. Automated fry cookers and burger flippers. Tons of cash. But eventually you drive up costs enough, and it becomes economical.

That is correct. The true cost of labor is significantly higher than just the hourly amount paid to the employee, and automated systems don't take sick days or show up with a bad attitude.

Nobody wants to be served by robots...but would prefer happy employees who care about their jobs. What do you RW a-holes have about a happy, stable country...

Really? When was the last time you drove a car built by human hands? The truth is that robots do a better job than humans, and are already doing a buttload of manual labor that humans used to do. See all those self checkout lines at the super market? Got somebody to pump your gas for you lately?

Your last two examples are not exactly good ones. The only thing replaced in either is a low paid worker, it is still humans pumping the gas and check out the items.

 

[boedicca]

The higher minimum wage won't drive fast food out of business - their repetitive menus and ordering process can easily be handled via robotics.

The businesses that will be damaged are the small, owner operated restaurants that cook fresh health food.

 

[francoHFW]

The Supreme Court and the Constitution are made up shit?

The Supreme Court and the Constitution gives you the moral authority to decide for EVERYONE what work is worth--Yeah, that's some made up shit right there, Cupcake.

Pascal's "the bet" is made up?

Yeah, Pumpkin. A fundamental premise of Pascal's wager is some made up shit.

WTF ARE you talking about?

The predictable fact that superstitious retards of all flavor invoke made-up shit when they get cornered by their own dumb. A prediction that you are furiously validating.

It's just fascinating.

Nope just the MINIMUM. DUH

RWers are a helluva lot more superstitious.

You are an idiot troll, methinks lol.

Left... Right... whatever.

Statists gonna state.

There are a lot of faithful adherents to the Church of Beneficent Government... it's all just superstition.

Don't Stop Believin', Pumpkin.

Yeah, I believe in good gov't, too bad we haven't had it since the greatest generation left the building before Reaganism.

Ah, the good old days! "Do you fondly recall Woodstock and Kent State, or Happy Days and misogyny? In the good old days, they tended to hang black people up from trees, not let women vote and criminalize gay people. They may have been good times if you were a straight white dude though."

So what's your alternative?

Pay people what their work is worth. Stop stealing from folks just because they have more. Stop forcing folks to do what you want them to do at gunpoint... "for their own good."

That sort of thing.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis​

Ay caramba. We need a living wage in this country, about $12 at least.

Why? Demonstrate this "necessity." Trust me, "there are poor folk" is no argument. You need to demonstrate with valid logic applied to verifiable facts of reality that putting your gun in the face of worker trying to better himself, and telling him to give up his earned wages to your preferred "charity" is something we "need."

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." --William Pitt​

Cheaper college, vacations, paid parental leave- and to wait for bosses to do it in this whacky country is stupid...

That's all cool, just not from the barrel your gun.

"It is self-evident that no number of men, by conspiring, and calling themselves a government, can acquire any rights whatever over other men, or other men's property, which they had not before, as individuals. And whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." --Lysander Spooner​

Actually, were the good old days when gov't worked to make things better, and we led the world, not 30 years of Reaganism ruin of the nonrich and the country and brainwashed hater dupes like you. See sig. You're a real rebel, hater dupe.

Logic ?- Look at other countries that work!

 

[francoHFW]

The higher minimum wage won't drive fast food out of business - their repetitive menus and ordering process can easily be handled via robotics.

The businesses that will be damaged are the small, owner operated restaurants that cook fresh health food.

The higher min wage won't hurt ANYONE, not even the greedy idiot mega rich who lead the fight against it.

 

[francoHFW]

The Supreme Court and the Constitution are made up shit?

The Supreme Court and the Constitution gives you the moral authority to decide for EVERYONE what work is worth--Yeah, that's some made up shit right there, Cupcake.

Pascal's "the bet" is made up?

Yeah, Pumpkin. A fundamental premise of Pascal's wager is some made up shit.

WTF ARE you talking about?

The predictable fact that superstitious retards of all flavor invoke made-up shit when they get cornered by their own dumb. A prediction that you are furiously validating.

It's just fascinating.

Nope just the MINIMUM. DUH

RWers are a helluva lot more superstitious.

You are an idiot troll, methinks lol.

Left... Right... whatever.

Statists gonna state.

There are a lot of faithful adherents to the Church of Beneficent Government... it's all just superstition.

Don't Stop Believin', Pumpkin.

Yeah, I believe in good gov't, too bad we haven't had it since the greatest generation left the building before Reaganism.

Ah, the good old days! "Do you fondly recall Woodstock and Kent State, or Happy Days and misogyny? In the good old days, they tended to hang black people up from trees, not let women vote and criminalize gay people. They may have been good times if you were a straight white dude though."

So what's your alternative?

Pay people what their work is worth. Stop stealing from folks just because they have more. Stop forcing folks to do what you want them to do at gunpoint... "for their own good."

That sort of thing.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis​

Ay caramba. We need a living wage in this country, about $12 at least.

Why? Demonstrate this "necessity." Trust me, "there are poor folk" is no argument. You need to demonstrate with valid logic applied to verifiable facts of reality that putting your gun in the face of worker trying to better himself, and telling him to give up his earned wages to your preferred "charity" is something we "need."

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." --William Pitt​

Cheaper college, vacations, paid parental leave- and to wait for bosses to do it in this whacky country is stupid...

That's all cool, just not from the barrel your gun.

"It is self-evident that no number of men, by conspiring, and calling themselves a government, can acquire any rights whatever over other men, or other men's property, which they had not before, as individuals. And whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." --Lysander Spooner​

NOBODY on the DEM side is talking about raising taxes on the poor old American worker, dingbat dupe, just on the bloated rich and giant tax free corporations that your a-hole lying heroes have been pandering to for 30 years- who've been cutting fed income taxes which lead to higher payroll, local and state taxes and fees that KILL the nonrich.

 

[francoHFW]

The Supreme Court and the Constitution are made up shit?

The Supreme Court and the Constitution gives you the moral authority to decide for EVERYONE what work is worth--Yeah, that's some made up shit right there, Cupcake.

Pascal's "the bet" is made up?

Yeah, Pumpkin. A fundamental premise of Pascal's wager is some made up shit.

WTF ARE you talking about?

The predictable fact that superstitious retards of all flavor invoke made-up shit when they get cornered by their own dumb. A prediction that you are furiously validating.

It's just fascinating.

Nope just the MINIMUM. DUH

RWers are a helluva lot more superstitious.

You are an idiot troll, methinks lol.

Left... Right... whatever.

Statists gonna state.

There are a lot of faithful adherents to the Church of Beneficent Government... it's all just superstition.

Don't Stop Believin', Pumpkin.

Yeah, I believe in good gov't, too bad we haven't had it since the greatest generation left the building before Reaganism.

Ah, the good old days! "Do you fondly recall Woodstock and Kent State, or Happy Days and misogyny? In the good old days, they tended to hang black people up from trees, not let women vote and criminalize gay people. They may have been good times if you were a straight white dude though."

So what's your alternative?

Pay people what their work is worth. Stop stealing from folks just because they have more. Stop forcing folks to do what you want them to do at gunpoint... "for their own good."

That sort of thing.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis​

Ay caramba. We need a living wage in this country, about $12 at least.

Why? Demonstrate this "necessity." Trust me, "there are poor folk" is no argument. You need to demonstrate with valid logic applied to verifiable facts of reality that putting your gun in the face of worker trying to better himself, and telling him to give up his earned wages to your preferred "charity" is something we "need."

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." --William Pitt​

Cheaper college, vacations, paid parental leave- and to wait for bosses to do it in this whacky country is stupid...

That's all cool, just not from the barrel your gun.

"It is self-evident that no number of men, by conspiring, and calling themselves a government, can acquire any rights whatever over other men, or other men's property, which they had not before, as individuals. And whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." --Lysander Spooner​

Only gov't has ever gotten things like that done, dingbat dupe of the greedy idiot rich GOP.

 

[prison/con.net]

you mean the other countries which get to NOT wasted trilli0ns of $ on defense, cause WE protect them? THOSE countries, like Japan and Europe?

 

[LOki]

The Supreme Court and the Constitution gives you the moral authority to decide for EVERYONE what work is worth--Yeah, that's some made up shit right there, Cupcake.

Yeah, Pumpkin. A fundamental premise of Pascal's wager is some made up shit.

The predictable fact that superstitious retards of all flavor invoke made-up shit when they get cornered by their own dumb. A prediction that you are furiously validating.

It's just fascinating.

Nope just the MINIMUM. DUH

RWers are a helluva lot more superstitious.

You are an idiot troll, methinks lol.

Left... Right... whatever.

Statists gonna state.

There are a lot of faithful adherents to the Church of Beneficent Government... it's all just superstition.

Don't Stop Believin', Pumpkin.

Yeah, I believe in good gov't, too bad we haven't had it since the greatest generation left the building before Reaganism.

Ah, the good old days! "Do you fondly recall Woodstock and Kent State, or Happy Days and misogyny? In the good old days, they tended to hang black people up from trees, not let women vote and criminalize gay people. They may have been good times if you were a straight white dude though."

So what's your alternative?

Pay people what their work is worth. Stop stealing from folks just because they have more. Stop forcing folks to do what you want them to do at gunpoint... "for their own good."

That sort of thing.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis​

Ay caramba. We need a living wage in this country, about $12 at least.

Why? Demonstrate this "necessity." Trust me, "there are poor folk" is no argument. You need to demonstrate with valid logic applied to verifiable facts of reality that putting your gun in the face of worker trying to better himself, and telling him to give up his earned wages to your preferred "charity" is something we "need."

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." --William Pitt​

Cheaper college, vacations, paid parental leave- and to wait for bosses to do it in this whacky country is stupid...

That's all cool, just not from the barrel your gun.

"It is self-evident that no number of men, by conspiring, and calling themselves a government, can acquire any rights whatever over other men, or other men's property, which they had not before, as individuals. And whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." --Lysander Spooner​

Actually, were the good old days when gov't worked to make things better, and we led the world, not 30 years of Reaganism ruin of the nonrich and the country and brainwashed hater dupes like you. See sig. You're a real rebel, hater dupe.

Logic ?- Look at other countries that work!

"Hater dupe." Such an empty epithet. You have no idea what it really means. If you were at all self aware, you'd know it's no insult that applies to me... it just indicts you.

Every time you throw it out, it's noting but an admission that your mind is closed to everything not you... because everything, everything and anything at all--regardless of origin or content--not you, not belonging to your dopey self-absorbed superstition is "hater dupe."

All you've brought is a sanctimoniously arrogant declaration that you (or your like-minded proxy) possesses the moral authority to lord it over others based upon your dispassionate willingness to murder in the name of your "public interest", your unaccountable " common good.".

That's it Pumpkin. That's your best shot and it's entirely illegitimate.

You don't possess the moral high ground... you're just another thug.

 

[prison/con.net]

MILLIONs of US salaries are RELATED to minimum wageand if you double min wage, everyone else is going to demand more money, too, cause everything that they buy will cost more, due to doubling the min wage. Why don't you idiots just make the minimum wage $300, hmm? it's the same thing, but even you morons can see what $300 per hour would do to the economy! So you "settle for" $15 an hour

 

[LOki]

The Supreme Court and the Constitution gives you the moral authority to decide for EVERYONE what work is worth--Yeah, that's some made up shit right there, Cupcake.

Yeah, Pumpkin. A fundamental premise of Pascal's wager is some made up shit.

The predictable fact that superstitious retards of all flavor invoke made-up shit when they get cornered by their own dumb. A prediction that you are furiously validating.

It's just fascinating.

Nope just the MINIMUM. DUH

RWers are a helluva lot more superstitious.

You are an idiot troll, methinks lol.

Left... Right... whatever.

Statists gonna state.

There are a lot of faithful adherents to the Church of Beneficent Government... it's all just superstition.

Don't Stop Believin', Pumpkin.

Yeah, I believe in good gov't, too bad we haven't had it since the greatest generation left the building before Reaganism.

Ah, the good old days! "Do you fondly recall Woodstock and Kent State, or Happy Days and misogyny? In the good old days, they tended to hang black people up from trees, not let women vote and criminalize gay people. They may have been good times if you were a straight white dude though."

So what's your alternative?

Pay people what their work is worth. Stop stealing from folks just because they have more. Stop forcing folks to do what you want them to do at gunpoint... "for their own good."

That sort of thing.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis​

Ay caramba. We need a living wage in this country, about $12 at least.

Why? Demonstrate this "necessity." Trust me, "there are poor folk" is no argument. You need to demonstrate with valid logic applied to verifiable facts of reality that putting your gun in the face of worker trying to better himself, and telling him to give up his earned wages to your preferred "charity" is something we "need."

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." --William Pitt​

Cheaper college, vacations, paid parental leave- and to wait for bosses to do it in this whacky country is stupid...

That's all cool, just not from the barrel your gun.

"It is self-evident that no number of men, by conspiring, and calling themselves a government, can acquire any rights whatever over other men, or other men's property, which they had not before, as individuals. And whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." --Lysander Spooner​

NOBODY on the DEM side is talking about raising taxes on the poor old American worker, dingbat dupe, just on the bloated rich and giant tax free corporations that your a-hole lying heroes have been pandering to for 30 years- who've been cutting fed income taxes which lead to higher payroll, local and state taxes and fees that KILL the nonrich.

If your straw-man were actually made of straw, it would have the benefit of being made of straw.

In your retarded fury at being beaten, you think you're making hits on things I defend... I'm not there, Cupcake. You're attacking positions I don't hold.

You're just desperately making shit up now. You've got nothing, Pumpkin.

 

[LOki]

The Supreme Court and the Constitution gives you the moral authority to decide for EVERYONE what work is worth--Yeah, that's some made up shit right there, Cupcake.

Yeah, Pumpkin. A fundamental premise of Pascal's wager is some made up shit.

The predictable fact that superstitious retards of all flavor invoke made-up shit when they get cornered by their own dumb. A prediction that you are furiously validating.

It's just fascinating.

Nope just the MINIMUM. DUH

RWers are a helluva lot more superstitious.

You are an idiot troll, methinks lol.

Left... Right... whatever.

Statists gonna state.

There are a lot of faithful adherents to the Church of Beneficent Government... it's all just superstition.

Don't Stop Believin', Pumpkin.

Yeah, I believe in good gov't, too bad we haven't had it since the greatest generation left the building before Reaganism.

Ah, the good old days! "Do you fondly recall Woodstock and Kent State, or Happy Days and misogyny? In the good old days, they tended to hang black people up from trees, not let women vote and criminalize gay people. They may have been good times if you were a straight white dude though."

So what's your alternative?

Pay people what their work is worth. Stop stealing from folks just because they have more. Stop forcing folks to do what you want them to do at gunpoint... "for their own good."

That sort of thing.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis​

Ay caramba. We need a living wage in this country, about $12 at least.

Why? Demonstrate this "necessity." Trust me, "there are poor folk" is no argument. You need to demonstrate with valid logic applied to verifiable facts of reality that putting your gun in the face of worker trying to better himself, and telling him to give up his earned wages to your preferred "charity" is something we "need."

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." --William Pitt​

Cheaper college, vacations, paid parental leave- and to wait for bosses to do it in this whacky country is stupid...

That's all cool, just not from the barrel your gun.

"It is self-evident that no number of men, by conspiring, and calling themselves a government, can acquire any rights whatever over other men, or other men's property, which they had not before, as individuals. And whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." --Lysander Spooner​

Only gov't has ever gotten things like that done, dingbat dupe of the greedy idiot rich GOP.

Well folks, there you have it.

When faced with the actual reality of what his position really means, the cognitive dissonance has caused our little Pumpkin to come completely unhinged.

Let's hope he gets better real soon.

 

[francoHFW]

Nope just the MINIMUM. DUH

RWers are a helluva lot more superstitious.

You are an idiot troll, methinks lol.

Left... Right... whatever.

Statists gonna state.

There are a lot of faithful adherents to the Church of Beneficent Government... it's all just superstition.

Don't Stop Believin', Pumpkin.

Yeah, I believe in good gov't, too bad we haven't had it since the greatest generation left the building before Reaganism.

Ah, the good old days! "Do you fondly recall Woodstock and Kent State, or Happy Days and misogyny? In the good old days, they tended to hang black people up from trees, not let women vote and criminalize gay people. They may have been good times if you were a straight white dude though."

So what's your alternative?

Pay people what their work is worth. Stop stealing from folks just because they have more. Stop forcing folks to do what you want them to do at gunpoint... "for their own good."

That sort of thing.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis​

Ay caramba. We need a living wage in this country, about $12 at least.

Why? Demonstrate this "necessity." Trust me, "there are poor folk" is no argument. You need to demonstrate with valid logic applied to verifiable facts of reality that putting your gun in the face of worker trying to better himself, and telling him to give up his earned wages to your preferred "charity" is something we "need."

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." --William Pitt​

Cheaper college, vacations, paid parental leave- and to wait for bosses to do it in this whacky country is stupid...

That's all cool, just not from the barrel your gun.

"It is self-evident that no number of men, by conspiring, and calling themselves a government, can acquire any rights whatever over other men, or other men's property, which they had not before, as individuals. And whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." --Lysander Spooner​

Actually, were the good old days when gov't worked to make things better, and we led the world, not 30 years of Reaganism ruin of the nonrich and the country and brainwashed hater dupes like you. See sig. You're a real rebel, hater dupe.

Logic ?- Look at other countries that work!

"Hater dupe." Such an empty epithet. You have no idea what it really means. If you were at all self aware, you'd know it's no insult that applies to me... it just indicts you.

Every time you throw it out, it's noting but an admission that your mind is closed to everything not you... because everything, everything and anything at all--regardless of origin or content--not you, not belonging to your dopey self-absorbed superstition is "hater dupe."

All you've brought is a sanctimoniously arrogant declaration that you (or your like-minded proxy) possesses the moral authority to lord it over others based upon your dispassionate willingness to murder in the name of your "public interest", your unaccountable " common good.".

That's it Pumpkin. That's your best shot and it's entirely illegitimate.

You don't possess the moral high ground... you're just another thug.

So where do you get your ridiculous ideas that distract you from voting for your own interests? What bought off pundit/propagandists have filled your tiny brain and made you hate those who are trying to help you and the country? You hate, and you're duped. End of story. Read a history book. At least 25 years old to be safe, before RWers started to rewrite it, paid off by greedy idiot mega rich a-holes...

 

[francoHFW]

Nope just the MINIMUM. DUH

RWers are a helluva lot more superstitious.

You are an idiot troll, methinks lol.

Left... Right... whatever.

Statists gonna state.

There are a lot of faithful adherents to the Church of Beneficent Government... it's all just superstition.

Don't Stop Believin', Pumpkin.

Yeah, I believe in good gov't, too bad we haven't had it since the greatest generation left the building before Reaganism.

Ah, the good old days! "Do you fondly recall Woodstock and Kent State, or Happy Days and misogyny? In the good old days, they tended to hang black people up from trees, not let women vote and criminalize gay people. They may have been good times if you were a straight white dude though."

So what's your alternative?

Pay people what their work is worth. Stop stealing from folks just because they have more. Stop forcing folks to do what you want them to do at gunpoint... "for their own good."

That sort of thing.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis​

Ay caramba. We need a living wage in this country, about $12 at least.

Why? Demonstrate this "necessity." Trust me, "there are poor folk" is no argument. You need to demonstrate with valid logic applied to verifiable facts of reality that putting your gun in the face of worker trying to better himself, and telling him to give up his earned wages to your preferred "charity" is something we "need."

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." --William Pitt​

Cheaper college, vacations, paid parental leave- and to wait for bosses to do it in this whacky country is stupid...

That's all cool, just not from the barrel your gun.

"It is self-evident that no number of men, by conspiring, and calling themselves a government, can acquire any rights whatever over other men, or other men's property, which they had not before, as individuals. And whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." --Lysander Spooner​

Only gov't has ever gotten things like that done, dingbat dupe of the greedy idiot rich GOP.

Well folks, there you have it.

When faced with the actual reality of what his position really means, the cognitive dissonance has caused our little Pumpkin to come completely unhinged.

Let's hope he gets better real soon.

Masters in History, U. of Rochester. You? I'm guessing Masters in radio talk bs.

 

[LOki]

Left... Right... whatever.

Statists gonna state.

There are a lot of faithful adherents to the Church of Beneficent Government... it's all just superstition.

Don't Stop Believin', Pumpkin.

Yeah, I believe in good gov't, too bad we haven't had it since the greatest generation left the building before Reaganism.

Ah, the good old days! "Do you fondly recall Woodstock and Kent State, or Happy Days and misogyny? In the good old days, they tended to hang black people up from trees, not let women vote and criminalize gay people. They may have been good times if you were a straight white dude though."

So what's your alternative?

Pay people what their work is worth. Stop stealing from folks just because they have more. Stop forcing folks to do what you want them to do at gunpoint... "for their own good."

That sort of thing.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis​

Ay caramba. We need a living wage in this country, about $12 at least.

Why? Demonstrate this "necessity." Trust me, "there are poor folk" is no argument. You need to demonstrate with valid logic applied to verifiable facts of reality that putting your gun in the face of worker trying to better himself, and telling him to give up his earned wages to your preferred "charity" is something we "need."

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." --William Pitt​

Cheaper college, vacations, paid parental leave- and to wait for bosses to do it in this whacky country is stupid...

That's all cool, just not from the barrel your gun.

"It is self-evident that no number of men, by conspiring, and calling themselves a government, can acquire any rights whatever over other men, or other men's property, which they had not before, as individuals. And whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." --Lysander Spooner​

Actually, were the good old days when gov't worked to make things better, and we led the world, not 30 years of Reaganism ruin of the nonrich and the country and brainwashed hater dupes like you. See sig. You're a real rebel, hater dupe.

Logic ?- Look at other countries that work!

"Hater dupe." Such an empty epithet. You have no idea what it really means. If you were at all self aware, you'd know it's no insult that applies to me... it just indicts you.

Every time you throw it out, it's noting but an admission that your mind is closed to everything not you... because everything, everything and anything at all--regardless of origin or content--not you, not belonging to your dopey self-absorbed superstition is "hater dupe."

All you've brought is a sanctimoniously arrogant declaration that you (or your like-minded proxy) possesses the moral authority to lord it over others based upon your dispassionate willingness to murder in the name of your "public interest", your unaccountable " common good.".

That's it Pumpkin. That's your best shot and it's entirely illegitimate.

You don't possess the moral high ground... you're just another thug.

So where do you get your ridiculous ideas that distract you from voting for your own interests? What bought off pundit/propagandists have filled your tiny brain and made you hate those who are trying to help you and the country? You hate, and you're duped. End of story. Read a history book. At least 25 years old to be safe, before RWers started to rewrite it, paid off by greedy idiot mega rich a-holes...

Translation: WOOOSH! (Straw everywhere!)

 

[francoHFW]

Nope just the MINIMUM. DUH

RWers are a helluva lot more superstitious.

You are an idiot troll, methinks lol.

Left... Right... whatever.

Statists gonna state.

There are a lot of faithful adherents to the Church of Beneficent Government... it's all just superstition.

Don't Stop Believin', Pumpkin.

Yeah, I believe in good gov't, too bad we haven't had it since the greatest generation left the building before Reaganism.

Ah, the good old days! "Do you fondly recall Woodstock and Kent State, or Happy Days and misogyny? In the good old days, they tended to hang black people up from trees, not let women vote and criminalize gay people. They may have been good times if you were a straight white dude though."

So what's your alternative?

Pay people what their work is worth. Stop stealing from folks just because they have more. Stop forcing folks to do what you want them to do at gunpoint... "for their own good."

That sort of thing.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis​

Ay caramba. We need a living wage in this country, about $12 at least.

Why? Demonstrate this "necessity." Trust me, "there are poor folk" is no argument. You need to demonstrate with valid logic applied to verifiable facts of reality that putting your gun in the face of worker trying to better himself, and telling him to give up his earned wages to your preferred "charity" is something we "need."

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." --William Pitt​

Cheaper college, vacations, paid parental leave- and to wait for bosses to do it in this whacky country is stupid...

That's all cool, just not from the barrel your gun.

"It is self-evident that no number of men, by conspiring, and calling themselves a government, can acquire any rights whatever over other men, or other men's property, which they had not before, as individuals. And whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." --Lysander Spooner​

NOBODY on the DEM side is talking about raising taxes on the poor old American worker, dingbat dupe, just on the bloated rich and giant tax free corporations that your a-hole lying heroes have been pandering to for 30 years- who've been cutting fed income taxes which lead to higher payroll, local and state taxes and fees that KILL the nonrich.

If your straw-man were actually made of straw, it would have the benefit of being made of straw.

In your retarded fury at being beaten, you think you're making hits on things I defend... I'm not there, Cupcake. You're attacking positions I don't hold.

You're just desperately making shit up now. You've got nothing, Pumpkin.

WTF am I making up? Try giving an example. WTF and WHO do you believe IN, troll? You're a Pubtroll in effect You must not vote, so Pubs win- they made you sick of politics, they kicked your ass, stupid, wake UP. You have no actual position as far as I can tell, except that you hate "statists". That makes you an anarchist, which is a dead end for dopes.

 

[LOki]

Left... Right... whatever.

Statists gonna state.

There are a lot of faithful adherents to the Church of Beneficent Government... it's all just superstition.

Don't Stop Believin', Pumpkin.

Yeah, I believe in good gov't, too bad we haven't had it since the greatest generation left the building before Reaganism.

Ah, the good old days! "Do you fondly recall Woodstock and Kent State, or Happy Days and misogyny? In the good old days, they tended to hang black people up from trees, not let women vote and criminalize gay people. They may have been good times if you were a straight white dude though."

So what's your alternative?

Pay people what their work is worth. Stop stealing from folks just because they have more. Stop forcing folks to do what you want them to do at gunpoint... "for their own good."

That sort of thing.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis​

Ay caramba. We need a living wage in this country, about $12 at least.

Why? Demonstrate this "necessity." Trust me, "there are poor folk" is no argument. You need to demonstrate with valid logic applied to verifiable facts of reality that putting your gun in the face of worker trying to better himself, and telling him to give up his earned wages to your preferred "charity" is something we "need."

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." --William Pitt​

Cheaper college, vacations, paid parental leave- and to wait for bosses to do it in this whacky country is stupid...

That's all cool, just not from the barrel your gun.

"It is self-evident that no number of men, by conspiring, and calling themselves a government, can acquire any rights whatever over other men, or other men's property, which they had not before, as individuals. And whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." --Lysander Spooner​

Only gov't has ever gotten things like that done, dingbat dupe of the greedy idiot rich GOP.

Well folks, there you have it.

When faced with the actual reality of what his position really means, the cognitive dissonance has caused our little Pumpkin to come completely unhinged.

Let's hope he gets better real soon.

Masters in History, U. of Rochester. You? I'm guessing Masters in radio talk bs.

Oh, how precious! An appeal to authority... on the internet... how utterly charming!

 

[LOki]

Left... Right... whatever.

Statists gonna state.

There are a lot of faithful adherents to the Church of Beneficent Government... it's all just superstition.

Don't Stop Believin', Pumpkin.

Yeah, I believe in good gov't, too bad we haven't had it since the greatest generation left the building before Reaganism.

Ah, the good old days! "Do you fondly recall Woodstock and Kent State, or Happy Days and misogyny? In the good old days, they tended to hang black people up from trees, not let women vote and criminalize gay people. They may have been good times if you were a straight white dude though."

So what's your alternative?

Pay people what their work is worth. Stop stealing from folks just because they have more. Stop forcing folks to do what you want them to do at gunpoint... "for their own good."

That sort of thing.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis​

Ay caramba. We need a living wage in this country, about $12 at least.

Why? Demonstrate this "necessity." Trust me, "there are poor folk" is no argument. You need to demonstrate with valid logic applied to verifiable facts of reality that putting your gun in the face of worker trying to better himself, and telling him to give up his earned wages to your preferred "charity" is something we "need."

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." --William Pitt​

Cheaper college, vacations, paid parental leave- and to wait for bosses to do it in this whacky country is stupid...

That's all cool, just not from the barrel your gun.

"It is self-evident that no number of men, by conspiring, and calling themselves a government, can acquire any rights whatever over other men, or other men's property, which they had not before, as individuals. And whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." --Lysander Spooner​

NOBODY on the DEM side is talking about raising taxes on the poor old American worker, dingbat dupe, just on the bloated rich and giant tax free corporations that your a-hole lying heroes have been pandering to for 30 years- who've been cutting fed income taxes which lead to higher payroll, local and state taxes and fees that KILL the nonrich.

If your straw-man were actually made of straw, it would have the benefit of being made of straw.

In your retarded fury at being beaten, you think you're making hits on things I defend... I'm not there, Cupcake. You're attacking positions I don't hold.

You're just desperately making shit up now. You've got nothing, Pumpkin.

WTF am I making up? Try giving an example. WTF and WHO do you believe IN, troll? You're a Pubtroll in effect You must not vote, so Pubs win- they made you sick of politics, they kicked your ass, stupid, wake UP. You have no actual position as far as I can tell, except that you hate "statists". That makes you an anarchist, which is a dead end for dopes.

KAPOW! BOOM! Straw-man defeated! Let's find a little gold star for our Cupcake.