New York raising age for purchasing semiautomatic weapons to 21 as part of gun law package

[2aguy]

I’ll bet those kids in that school in Texas wish they knew the difference.

Oh good….the lame tactic of emotional blackmail…..

 

[2aguy]

Seriously ? We aren’t. The gun violence rate in the US far surpasses everyother industrialized nation in the free world.

you just made up a big one. We even have lower life expectancy then countries with universal healthcare. You live in Oz.

Only if you don’t count government murders…..Europeans murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children in a six year period in 1939…..

Our gun murder rate can’t even catch up to that and unlike the innocent 15 million murdered by their governments the vast majority of those murdered with guns in the U.S. are criminals living the criminal life

 

[Mashmont]

Oh good….the lame tactic of emotional blackmail…..

Then 18 year olds shouldn't be allowed to vote.

 

[2aguy]

Then 18 year olds shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Or get an abortion......see how that plays with the leftists...

 

[Dagosa]

On another thread here, someone posted a link a few days ago that included an incredible and profound statistic: Only THREE PERCENT of U.S. homicides are committed with a "rifle." The infamous "assault weapons" are a SUB-CATEGORY of "rifle."

The majority of homicides are committed with handguns.

So what can you say about the crusading legislators who are determined to limit purchases of RIFLES in order to fight "the carnage"?

Are they stupid? Are they oblivious to reality? Are they aware that the cities that have done the most to try to ban handguns have the highest homicide rates...that is to say that those legislative efforts are laughably ineffective?

Here is a quote from that linked article. (The Pew Research Center is a pretty reputable outfit):

In 2020, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available, according to the FBI. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%. The remainder of gun homicides and non-negligent manslaughters (36%) involved other kinds of firearms or those classified as “type not stated.”

You’ve convinced everyone. We need to ban handguns.

 

[Dagosa]

If the shooter is white, we blame all whites.

We blame gun a holics who spearhead the distribution of guns to criminals.

 

[Dagosa]

This insanity has to stop.

“More guns means less gun crime.” Now there’s insanity. Everytime there’s a mass murder, you gun a hole s runout and buy more guns, often of the type used.

 

[2aguy]

“More guns means less gun crime.” Now there’s insanity. Everytime there’s a mass murder, you gun a hole s runout and buy more guns, often of the type used.

No....that isn't how it works.....

Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

What changed in 2015?

The democrat party did 3 things...

1) they began a war on the police that forced officers to stop pro active police work, allowing criminals to run wild.

2) they began to release the most violent and dangerous gun offenders over and over again, not matter how many times they had been arrested for gun crimes

3) they used their brown shirts, blm/antifa to burn, loot and murder for 7 months in primarily black neighborhoods while the democrat party mayors ordered the police to stand down and not stop them......in order to hurt Trump during the election.

 

[Dagosa]

No....that isn't how it works.....

Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

What changed in 2015?

The democrat party did 3 things...

1) they began a war on the police that forced officers to stop pro active police work, allowing criminals to run wild.

2) they began to release the most violent and dangerous gun offenders over and over again, not matter how many times they had been arrested for gun crimes

3) they used their brown shirts, blm/antifa to burn, loot and murder for 7 months in primarily black neighborhoods while the democrat party mayors ordered the police to stand down and not stop them......in order to hurt Trump during the election.

Conservatives create terrorism. Right wing ideology is at the heart of Fascism, Hitler, 9/11 and the over throw of free govts. Maybe you’re oblivious to their participation in Trump agendas.

 

[2aguy]

Conservatives create terrorism. Right wing ideology is at the heart of Fascism, Hitler, 9/11 and the over throw of free govts. Maybe you’re oblivious to their participation in Trump agendas.

Hitler was a leftist……..that lie you guys keep telling is getting old.

 

[Dagosa]

Hitler was a leftist……..that lie you guys keep telling is getting old.

 

[badbob85037]

ALBANY — Following a pair of heinous tragedies, Gov. Hochul and state lawmakers announced a deal Tuesday on a package of bills that will tighten New York’s already strict gun laws and raise the minimum age to buy a semiautomatic rifle to 21.

The agreement comes in the wake of mass shootings at a Texas elementary school and a Buffalo supermarket that left dozens dead and prompted renewed calls for change at the national level.

Hochul said New York must step up as it remains unclear if Congress will take action.

“New York already has some of the toughest gun laws in the country, but clearly we need to make them even stronger,” the governor said in a statement.

New York raising age for purchasing semiautomatic weapons to 21 as part of gun law package

Here's one that just shows how the antis are once they get their nose under the 2A tent. I knew it was just a matter of time.

Other bills slated for approval will eliminate the grandfathering of large-capacity ammunition feeding devices lawfully possessed prior to the enactment of the SAFE Act in 2013 or manufactured prior to 1994.

All I can say about this is about the same thing I say about California. Fuck New York and the people that live there.

 

[Dagosa]

the people that live there.

Fk the People “ who” live there. At least you have enough people to choose from. Red state white trash trailer parks you’d have to resort to a first cousin. Inbred ignorance seems to be a red state characteristic.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Semi-automatic, if you are going to comment on something at least try to know what the fuck you are talking about.

Yes, he should have just said an assault rifle.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Hitler was a leftist……..that lie you guys keep telling is getting old.

Dagosa , You are both wrong. The Nazi's were syncretic -

The main idea of syncretic politics is that taking political positions of neutrality by combining elements associated with left-wing politics and right-wing politics can achieve a goal of reconciliation.

Syncretic politics - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

In the next link, look under - Position Within the Political Spectrum.

Nazism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

(Always correcting binary thinking)

 

[Dagosa]

Dagosa , You are both wrong. The Nazi's were syncretic -

The main idea of syncretic politics is that taking political positions of neutrality by combining elements associated with left-wing politics and right-wing politics can achieve a goal of reconciliation.

Syncretic politics - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

In the next link, look under - Position Within the Political Spectrum.

Nazism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

(Always correcting binary thinking)

Your own reference. Voter suppression, challenging election results with NO EVIDENCE are fascist responses to free elections.
“Nazism is a form of fascism,” This is YOUR REFERENCE
fascism-authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.


The only left wing talking points are yours, not any reference from dictionaries or any other sources. Nothing more then expanded bull shit your minions who can’t read fall for.

 

[2aguy]

Dagosa , You are both wrong. The Nazi's were syncretic -

The main idea of syncretic politics is that taking political positions of neutrality by combining elements associated with left-wing politics and right-wing politics can achieve a goal of reconciliation.

Syncretic politics - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

In the next link, look under - Position Within the Political Spectrum.

Nazism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

(Always correcting binary thinking)

Wrong......read something from someone who experienced the rise of your buddies in Germany...

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitalism.”

It would, indeed, hardly have been possible for the Nationalists to advance fundamental objections to the economic policy of the other socialist parties when their own published programme differed from these only in that its socialism was much cruder and less rational. The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder,[2] one of Hitler’s early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists. But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic -individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, “international finance and loan capital,” the system of “interest slavery” in general; the abolition of these is described as the “[indecipherable] of the programme, around which everything else turns.” It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.

That this violent anti-capitalistic attack is genuine – and not a mere piece of propaganda – becomes as clear from the personal history of the intellectual leaders of the movement as from the general milieu from which it springs. It is not even denied that man of the young men who today play a prominent part in it have previously been communists or socialists. And to any observer of the literary tendencies which made the Germans intelligentsia ready to join the ranks of the new party, it must be clear that the common characteristic of all the politically influential writers – in many cases free from definite party affiliations – was their anti-liberal and anti-capitalist trend. Groups like that formed around the review “Die Tat” have made the phrase “the end of capitalism” an accepted dogma to most young Germans.[3]

And more...

The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism" | Chris Calton

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”

 

[Captain Caveman]

Your own reference. Voter suppression, challenging election results with NO EVIDENCE are fascist responses to free elections.
“Nazism is a form of fascism,” This is YOUR REFERENCE
fascism-authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.


The only left wing talking points are yours, not any reference from dictionaries or any other sources. Nothing more then expanded bull shit your minions who can’t read fall for.

If retards have an agenda and an ingrained frame of mind, then they will pick one or two bits about the Nazis out to satisfy their binary thinking. If you look at the whole picture, the Nazi party was syncretic. I know it pisses you off, and it pisses 2aguy off too, but you need to live with it. Yes, you want to attack each other that Nazis' are Left Wing, they're Right Wing etc.. but they weren't. They stole ideas from both sides of the fence and are classed as syncretic.

Sorry to have pissed on your bonfire, but twine like fuck, I can't change reality. But by all means carry on claiming the Nazis' are Left/Right Wing, but the educated will read that and think, "What a numpty".

 

[Dagosa]

If retards have an agenda and an ingrained frame of mind, then they will pick one or two bits about the Nazis out to satisfy their binary thinking. If you look at the whole picture, the Nazi party was syncretic. I know it pisses you off, and it pisses 2aguy off too, but you need to live with it. Yes, you want to attack each other that Nazis' are Left Wing, they're Right Wing etc.. but they weren't. They stole ideas from both sides of the fence and are classed as syncretic.

Sorry to have pissed on your bonfire, but twine like fuck, I can't change reality. But by all means carry on claiming the Nazis' are Left/Right Wing, but the educated will read that and think, "What a numpty".

No where in your post does a reference say Fascism is left wing. That’s you making up shit. All dictionaries classify fascism as RIGHT WING, and Nazism AS A TYPE IF FASCISM

Case closed. You lost again.

 

[Dagosa]

If retards have an agenda and an ingrained frame of mind, then they will pick one or two bits about the Nazis out to satisfy their binary thinking. If you look at the whole picture, the Nazi party was syncretic. I know it pisses you off, and it pisses 2aguy off too, but you need to live with it. Yes, you want to attack each other that Nazis' are Left Wing, they're Right Wing etc.. but they weren't. They stole ideas from both sides of the fence and are classed as syncretic.

Sorry to have pissed on your bonfire, but twine like fuck, I can't change reality. But by all means carry on claiming the Nazis' are Left/Right Wing, but the educated will read that and think, "What a numpty".

Effin babble.