New UK Labor leader Jeremy Corbyn: 21st century socialism for Britain!

[frigidweirdo]

Jeremy Corbyn wins UK's Labour Party leadership race - CNN.com

On his victory speech, Corbyn has announced that what the British want is 21st century socialism. And to pay for it, he promptly proposed to lift the borrowing cap of each municipal district.

So, if you ever wondered why your local taxes always go up and where they go, wonder no more. The pretence is off. And in the UK it is not only the home owners but every resident must pay the local tax, called council tax.

Also, Corbyn said that the Labor party is the party of the disadvantaged workers and not the banks.

How stupid are people that they don't see through this?

This is the first legislative proposal to take advantage of the newly gained isolation of the post brexit British public.

Discuss.

21st Century Socialism looks rather like 20th Century Socialism, i.e. the Tories in power.

Corbyn isn't a leader of the Labour Party, he's the leader of a faction who has somehow managed to convince a lot of Labour supporters that not winning an election is what it's all about.

In the last 35 years and more there has only been one leader of the Labour Party elected to become PM, and many in the Labour Party hated him because he wasn't Socialist. But that was why he got elected.

21st Century Socialism is Corbyn not talking about all the Socialism, but answering in a very political way. I saw him answer a question about Socialism and answer something like "well we want the trains to run, who doesn't want that? We want the hospitals to function, who doesn't want that?" without actually stating what his Socialism actually is. It's more than likely getting most things under govt control.

Sounds like the standard mantra, "We've got to convince Tory voters to vote for us in order to win". Only 24% of the country voted Tory, and thats about as good as it will ever get for them in the U.K. (+/- 10%) It's the emaining 76% Labour needs to attract, including the 34% who didn't bother to vote at all. If the majority of that 34% can be inspired to vote Labour, we're in with a chance to consign the Tories to the dustbin of history where they belong, depite the best efforts of the mainstream media and Tory gerrymandering of constituencies.

But they won't vote for Corbyn. It's that simple. His message is the sort of message that lost Labour elections in the past. The Middle Class will look at the Tories and May and if everything isn't so bad, they'll vote for them again.

How do you know? Labour have 4 years to put their message across unless May calls a snap election (which may or may not be illegal unless she changes the law meantime) and even if she does there is a huge swathe of the Middle Class totally fed up with the Tories at the moment, especially those who voted for "remain".

4 years to put across a message which hasn't succeed in how long?

One elected Labour PM in how many years?

Since 1976, FORTY YEARS since a Labour PM was elected who wasn't Tony Blair. He had problems with the Unions, strikes that effectively killed his chance of winning in 1979.

I looked at Ed Milliband and I saw a guy who was too left wing to win a General Election. He lost. In fact he lost worse than Brown did by a long way. He took Labour backwards. What's going to change from 2015? Suddenly as the economy gets better, the Tories got out of the EU, what's going to turn people towards a guy way, way over on the left? More left than Milliband, who lost, more left than Brown, who lost, more left than many of the previous leaders who lost like Kinnock.

 

[Challenger]

Also, technology would invalidate Keynesian practices in the 21st century.

How so?

Keynesian economy assumes a linear relationship between work and output, that is the more work, the more output. But it is not true in an automated high tech economy. All the work is in machine maintenance and product design, which are negligible small compared to the old productive work, but the output is unlimited, limited only by market capitalization, as soon as one guy designs something.

A bit dated but nevertheless still more relevant today;

Joseph Stiglitz: Keynesian economics finds new relevancy in the 21st century global economy

...and this from Wiki

2008–09 Keynesian resurgence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unfortunately from experience when you talk to 3 or more economists, you get 3 or more contradictory opinions; it's an inexact science. One thing is clear though, politically forced "Austerity" hasn't worked and doesn't seem likely to. We need something different/new.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Full Speech: Jeremy Corbyn addresses conference

Watching his speech.... good for insomnia maybe, but 14:30 in he thanks the Mayor of London who acts like he's been praised by a Tory, he doesn't smile. Kind of sums up Labour right now.

Maybe not a broad grin but he does smile and wink at some people nearby. Early days...

I didn't see a smile, I didn't see a wink, I'm talking from Khan here.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Also, technology would invalidate Keynesian practices in the 21st century.

How so?

Keynesian economy assumes a linear relationship between work and output, that is the more work, the more output. But it is not true in an automated high tech economy. All the work is in machine maintenance and product design, which are negligible small compared to the old productive work, but the output is unlimited, limited only by market capitalization, as soon as one guy designs something.

A bit dated but nevertheless still more relevant today;

Joseph Stiglitz: Keynesian economics finds new relevancy in the 21st century global economy

...and this from Wiki

2008–09 Keynesian resurgence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unfortunately from experience when you talk to 3 or more economists, you get 3 or more contradictory opinions; it's an inexact science. One thing is clear though, politically forced "Austerity" hasn't worked and doesn't seem likely to. We need something different/new.

I'm not saying I don't agree with you, or that Corbyn is right when he says there are problems with the current system. I'm saying Corbyn doesn't stand a chance of being elected with his message for the SOLUTION to the problem. Socialism isn't the solution. It's a disaster.

 

[Challenger]

Full Speech: Jeremy Corbyn addresses conference

Watching his speech.... good for insomnia maybe, but 14:30 in he thanks the Mayor of London who acts like he's been praised by a Tory, he doesn't smile. Kind of sums up Labour right now.

He also says something that he is like proud that the mayor is a Muslim, the 1st Muslim governor of the west. Hmmm.

First Muslim mayor of a capital city, no mention of "governor".

 

[Challenger]

Full Speech: Jeremy Corbyn addresses conference

Watching his speech.... good for insomnia maybe, but 14:30 in he thanks the Mayor of London who acts like he's been praised by a Tory, he doesn't smile. Kind of sums up Labour right now.

Maybe not a broad grin but he does smile and wink at some people nearby. Early days...

I didn't see a smile, I didn't see a wink, I'm talking from Khan here.

Look again.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Full Speech: Jeremy Corbyn addresses conference

Watching his speech.... good for insomnia maybe, but 14:30 in he thanks the Mayor of London who acts like he's been praised by a Tory, he doesn't smile. Kind of sums up Labour right now.

Maybe not a broad grin but he does smile and wink at some people nearby. Early days...

I didn't see a smile, I didn't see a wink, I'm talking from Khan here.

Look again.

Yep, I looked again. No smile, someone turns around to look at him and still no smile, no wink. A steely face as if he doesn't want to be praised by this guy.

 

[anotherlife]

Also, technology would invalidate Keynesian practices in the 21st century.

How so?

Keynesian economy assumes a linear relationship between work and output, that is the more work, the more output. But it is not true in an automated high tech economy. All the work is in machine maintenance and product design, which are negligible small compared to the old productive work, but the output is unlimited, limited only by market capitalization, as soon as one guy designs something.

A bit dated but nevertheless still more relevant today;

Joseph Stiglitz: Keynesian economics finds new relevancy in the 21st century global economy

...and this from Wiki

2008–09 Keynesian resurgence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unfortunately from experience when you talk to 3 or more economists, you get 3 or more contradictory opinions; it's an inexact science. One thing is clear though, politically forced "Austerity" hasn't worked and doesn't seem likely to. We need something different/new.

Your observation is correct, economy is not a science or anything, maybe it is politics, otherwise there would be provable concepts in it. Economy is a good game though, because you can justify with it whatever the biggest lenders do. Politically driven austerity is probably the worldwide future, because that is what protects the new nobility the most.

 

[Phoenall]

Seems with the neocon influence worldwie, people have forgotten basic Keynsian economics, the same economics that pulled the USA out of the great recession of the 20's and 30's. In the simplest possible terms the government spends money to stimulate economic growth increasing production and creating more jobs and the resultant taxation revenues pay off any extra debt incurred. The current model gives the wealth to the rich in the hope they provide the necessary growth and create jobs, etc. THe fallacy with this model is that it doesn't factor in to the equation, the fact that the rich will keep the wealth and grow richer, while the poorer members of society go to the wall.

Nor does it factor in that the government has to have the money, or the collateral, in the first place. The last neo marxist government put paid to that when it sold the Gold reserves leaving the UK penniless. Then they tried to stimulate the economy by opening the doors to uncontrolled migration and allowed in those unable to work and fill the coffers for them. So instead of showing a surplus it showed a steady deficit and still the unemployable streamed in to the country. We are now starting to run over the sides as we are full and all you can do is blame the current government for your neo marxist cock ups

On which planet would Blairs government be marxists ?

That would probably be planet Phoney? You know he makes things up don't you and tries to move the goalposts? The reality from Tax research UK
"Labour invariably borrows less than the Conservatives. The data always shows that.
"Labour has always repaid debt more often than the Conservatives, and has always repaid more debt, on average." The Conservatives have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70 years

Go Phoney!

He is truly the King of the made up assertion. The fellow in the pic looks just as I imagined, muttering to himself about foreign made goal posts and neo marxist astroturf.

When he starts to name call and post in CAPITALS, you know he's getting hysterical. Here's some more figures to chew on. Deficit facts 1997 – 2015

Oh, and if all he can do is dismiss a blog by a world ackowledged expert:

"He is Professor of Practice in International Political Economy at City University, London and Director of Tax Research UK. He is a non-executive director of Cambridge Econometrics.

According to International Tax Review Richard was the 7th most influential person in global tax in 2013. In 2016 Richard was in the same journal’s Global Top 50 in tax, one of only two people to have been so for the whole five years it had published such a list."

You know he's got nothing, what a tosser. As I said, not worth engaging with; seems he's that stupid he doesn't realise that the Welsh people hated him personaly and not English people in general. I've been to Wales and Scotland lots of times and never met more friendly and welcoming people. That says it all.

As does your relying on a blog for your information, shows that you dont have an argument that will hold water

 

[Phoenall]

Why didn't he talk about Brexit?

The most important referendum the British have made.

It looks like a decent programme to rebuild our shattered economy.
I would like to see them go further in rolling back the privatisation of the NHS, abolishing the wretched academy schools and increasing pensions.

A decent program that A) won't convince enough voters to vote for him, he's got 300,000 votes in the bag, he needs like 11 million, there's the first problem and B) wouldn't solve the problem of the shattered economy. Socialism has never helped any shattered economy to get off its feet, unless you can provide an example I'm not aware of.

Yes, getting the NHS away from privatization would be a good thing. Academies aren't the problem with education, the problem is each successive govt comes in and decides that it's program of rebranding of schools will somehow deal with the problems that could more easily be solved by an educational task force being set up.

Allowing too many non paying migrants to use the NHS is a major problem and is costing those paying taxes more than it should. Start to charge foriegn visitors who dont have medical insurance underwritten by their nation before any treatment takes place. Show that we mean to be hard on thieves, fraudsters and medical tourists and they will stop coming. Education is a shambles because we let far too many illiterate people come here and we ended up educating them first before our own. What good is a doctor who cant speak English to the country, any benefits will be lost in translation costs. This is what the man on the street is worried about and if they can see it why cant the politicians ?

 

[Phoenall]

Jeremy Corbyn wins UK's Labour Party leadership race - CNN.com

On his victory speech, Corbyn has announced that what the British want is 21st century socialism. And to pay for it, he promptly proposed to lift the borrowing cap of each municipal district.

So, if you ever wondered why your local taxes always go up and where they go, wonder no more. The pretence is off. And in the UK it is not only the home owners but every resident must pay the local tax, called council tax.

Also, Corbyn said that the Labor party is the party of the disadvantaged workers and not the banks.

How stupid are people that they don't see through this?

This is the first legislative proposal to take advantage of the newly gained isolation of the post brexit British public.

Discuss.

21st Century Socialism looks rather like 20th Century Socialism, i.e. the Tories in power.

Corbyn isn't a leader of the Labour Party, he's the leader of a faction who has somehow managed to convince a lot of Labour supporters that not winning an election is what it's all about.

In the last 35 years and more there has only been one leader of the Labour Party elected to become PM, and many in the Labour Party hated him because he wasn't Socialist. But that was why he got elected.

21st Century Socialism is Corbyn not talking about all the Socialism, but answering in a very political way. I saw him answer a question about Socialism and answer something like "well we want the trains to run, who doesn't want that? We want the hospitals to function, who doesn't want that?" without actually stating what his Socialism actually is. It's more than likely getting most things under govt control.

Sounds like the standard mantra, "We've got to convince Tory voters to vote for us in order to win". Only 24% of the country voted Tory, and thats about as good as it will ever get for them in the U.K. (+/- 10%) It's the emaining 76% Labour needs to attract, including the 34% who didn't bother to vote at all. If the majority of that 34% can be inspired to vote Labour, we're in with a chance to consign the Tories to the dustbin of history where they belong, depite the best efforts of the mainstream media and Tory gerrymandering of constituencies.

And if we let Labour win we can say goodbye to our country and be forced to welcome sharia laws, forced conversion to islam or become 4th class citizens. Imagine Liverpool looking like gaza with the warring factions mass murdering each other. That is the scenario under labour if they win and the people are looking for another party to follow.

Now why didnt the Labour faithful get out and vote do you think, could it be they are sick of the hard left running the show and so dont want them to get into power. I note you ignored the labour voting figures that would show you are manipulating again. If the tories won with 24% of the country Labour must have polled less than this to lose, or does neo marxist maths work differently?

 

[Phoenall]

Jeremy Corbyn wins UK's Labour Party leadership race - CNN.com

On his victory speech, Corbyn has announced that what the British want is 21st century socialism. And to pay for it, he promptly proposed to lift the borrowing cap of each municipal district.

So, if you ever wondered why your local taxes always go up and where they go, wonder no more. The pretence is off. And in the UK it is not only the home owners but every resident must pay the local tax, called council tax.

Also, Corbyn said that the Labor party is the party of the disadvantaged workers and not the banks.

How stupid are people that they don't see through this?

This is the first legislative proposal to take advantage of the newly gained isolation of the post brexit British public.

Discuss.

21st Century Socialism looks rather like 20th Century Socialism, i.e. the Tories in power.

Corbyn isn't a leader of the Labour Party, he's the leader of a faction who has somehow managed to convince a lot of Labour supporters that not winning an election is what it's all about.

In the last 35 years and more there has only been one leader of the Labour Party elected to become PM, and many in the Labour Party hated him because he wasn't Socialist. But that was why he got elected.

21st Century Socialism is Corbyn not talking about all the Socialism, but answering in a very political way. I saw him answer a question about Socialism and answer something like "well we want the trains to run, who doesn't want that? We want the hospitals to function, who doesn't want that?" without actually stating what his Socialism actually is. It's more than likely getting most things under govt control.

Sounds like the standard mantra, "We've got to convince Tory voters to vote for us in order to win". Only 24% of the country voted Tory, and thats about as good as it will ever get for them in the U.K. (+/- 10%) It's the emaining 76% Labour needs to attract, including the 34% who didn't bother to vote at all. If the majority of that 34% can be inspired to vote Labour, we're in with a chance to consign the Tories to the dustbin of history where they belong, depite the best efforts of the mainstream media and Tory gerrymandering of constituencies.

But they won't vote for Corbyn. It's that simple. His message is the sort of message that lost Labour elections in the past. The Middle Class will look at the Tories and May and if everything isn't so bad, they'll vote for them again.

They will also remember the crimes of Labour when over 1 million underage children were groomed and raped by muslim men in the name of islam. And Labour protected them to secure a measly 5000 votes across the whole country. They will remember the note left saying " spent it all on parties and the money is all gone" We remember such things and ask is the country safe in labours hands ?

 

[Phoenall]

Jeremy Corbyn wins UK's Labour Party leadership race - CNN.com

On his victory speech, Corbyn has announced that what the British want is 21st century socialism. And to pay for it, he promptly proposed to lift the borrowing cap of each municipal district.

So, if you ever wondered why your local taxes always go up and where they go, wonder no more. The pretence is off. And in the UK it is not only the home owners but every resident must pay the local tax, called council tax.

Also, Corbyn said that the Labor party is the party of the disadvantaged workers and not the banks.

How stupid are people that they don't see through this?

This is the first legislative proposal to take advantage of the newly gained isolation of the post brexit British public.

Discuss.

21st Century Socialism looks rather like 20th Century Socialism, i.e. the Tories in power.

Corbyn isn't a leader of the Labour Party, he's the leader of a faction who has somehow managed to convince a lot of Labour supporters that not winning an election is what it's all about.

In the last 35 years and more there has only been one leader of the Labour Party elected to become PM, and many in the Labour Party hated him because he wasn't Socialist. But that was why he got elected.

21st Century Socialism is Corbyn not talking about all the Socialism, but answering in a very political way. I saw him answer a question about Socialism and answer something like "well we want the trains to run, who doesn't want that? We want the hospitals to function, who doesn't want that?" without actually stating what his Socialism actually is. It's more than likely getting most things under govt control.

Sounds like the standard mantra, "We've got to convince Tory voters to vote for us in order to win". Only 24% of the country voted Tory, and thats about as good as it will ever get for them in the U.K. (+/- 10%) It's the emaining 76% Labour needs to attract, including the 34% who didn't bother to vote at all. If the majority of that 34% can be inspired to vote Labour, we're in with a chance to consign the Tories to the dustbin of history where they belong, depite the best efforts of the mainstream media and Tory gerrymandering of constituencies.

But they won't vote for Corbyn. It's that simple. His message is the sort of message that lost Labour elections in the past. The Middle Class will look at the Tories and May and if everything isn't so bad, they'll vote for them again.

How do you know? Labour have 4 years to put their message across unless May calls a snap election (which may or may not be illegal unless she changes the law meantime) and even if she does there is a huge swathe of the Middle Class totally fed up with the Tories at the moment, especially those who voted for "remain".

So you are now saying that calling an election before you neo marxists are ready is illegal. What next a continual re-run until you get the re4sult you so desperately want, and then abolish elections all together

 

[Phoenall]

Why didn't he talk about Brexit?

The most important referendum the British have made.

It looks like a decent programme to rebuild our shattered economy.
I would like to see them go further in rolling back the privatisation of the NHS, abolishing the wretched academy schools and increasing pensions.

And even further than that in kicking out wales so that he will have even more money to waste. His policies are a passport to disaster that will result in loss of Jobs and tax revenues as the wealthy leave for new pastures, closure of hospitals, black outs, riots, closures and a bankrupt country all so you can have a pension with no actual spending power. What good is a pension that increases by 20% a year and paid in arrears if inflation is running at 30% a year. But then you welsh neo marxist dummies never were any good when it came to maths were you

It would be interesting to know how Wales voted on brexit. I think the 40 % of Wales residents who speak Welsh, all voted against brexit. The winning pro brexit vote was all from the 60 % English there.

An advantage of hyper inflation is that it clears insane debt such as the student loan epidemic and the national housing mortgage based money laundering. Doesn't work too well for individuals with high unemployment statistics, but ...

There isnt 60% English there at all, more like 10% to 15%. Not many English move to Wales or Scotland because of the systematic racism and hatred. Part of my job was to travel to Wales twice a year and instruct the workers on how to achieve maximum yields on the product, the coldness was palpable as soon as we walked in the room and the hate was obvious. No wonder they lost money with a brand new plant that should have been a world beater. Our old plant achieved yields of 95%, the welsh could not better 89% on one proven to be better than 98%.

Are you saying that the English speaking welsh that don't speak welsh are still welsh and not English? This may be possible but doubtful because pretty much every welsh decision is an echo of English decisions. The easiest approach to find the boundaries of this perfect alignment is linguistic, interesting how this worked out in the plant management scenario.

Why not there is no law that says the Welsh have to speak Welsh is there. I am English yet I cant speak Latin which was the language of England for many centuries, and still is when it comes to legal terms

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Jeremy Corbyn wins UK's Labour Party leadership race - CNN.com

On his victory speech, Corbyn has announced that what the British want is 21st century socialism. And to pay for it, he promptly proposed to lift the borrowing cap of each municipal district.

So, if you ever wondered why your local taxes always go up and where they go, wonder no more. The pretence is off. And in the UK it is not only the home owners but every resident must pay the local tax, called council tax.

Also, Corbyn said that the Labor party is the party of the disadvantaged workers and not the banks.

How stupid are people that they don't see through this?

This is the first legislative proposal to take advantage of the newly gained isolation of the post brexit British public.

Discuss.

21st Century Socialism looks rather like 20th Century Socialism, i.e. the Tories in power.

Corbyn isn't a leader of the Labour Party, he's the leader of a faction who has somehow managed to convince a lot of Labour supporters that not winning an election is what it's all about.

In the last 35 years and more there has only been one leader of the Labour Party elected to become PM, and many in the Labour Party hated him because he wasn't Socialist. But that was why he got elected.

21st Century Socialism is Corbyn not talking about all the Socialism, but answering in a very political way. I saw him answer a question about Socialism and answer something like "well we want the trains to run, who doesn't want that? We want the hospitals to function, who doesn't want that?" without actually stating what his Socialism actually is. It's more than likely getting most things under govt control.

Sounds like the standard mantra, "We've got to convince Tory voters to vote for us in order to win". Only 24% of the country voted Tory, and thats about as good as it will ever get for them in the U.K. (+/- 10%) It's the emaining 76% Labour needs to attract, including the 34% who didn't bother to vote at all. If the majority of that 34% can be inspired to vote Labour, we're in with a chance to consign the Tories to the dustbin of history where they belong, depite the best efforts of the mainstream media and Tory gerrymandering of constituencies.

And if we let Labour win we can say goodbye to our country and be forced to welcome sharia laws, forced conversion to islam or become 4th class citizens. Imagine Liverpool looking like gaza with the warring factions mass murdering each other. That is the scenario under labour if they win and the people are looking for another party to follow.

Now why didnt the Labour faithful get out and vote do you think, could it be they are sick of the hard left running the show and so dont want them to get into power. I note you ignored the labour voting figures that would show you are manipulating again. If the tories won with 24% of the country Labour must have polled less than this to lose, or does neo marxist maths work differently?

Mental.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Jeremy Corbyn wins UK's Labour Party leadership race - CNN.com

On his victory speech, Corbyn has announced that what the British want is 21st century socialism. And to pay for it, he promptly proposed to lift the borrowing cap of each municipal district.

So, if you ever wondered why your local taxes always go up and where they go, wonder no more. The pretence is off. And in the UK it is not only the home owners but every resident must pay the local tax, called council tax.

Also, Corbyn said that the Labor party is the party of the disadvantaged workers and not the banks.

How stupid are people that they don't see through this?

This is the first legislative proposal to take advantage of the newly gained isolation of the post brexit British public.

Discuss.

21st Century Socialism looks rather like 20th Century Socialism, i.e. the Tories in power.

Corbyn isn't a leader of the Labour Party, he's the leader of a faction who has somehow managed to convince a lot of Labour supporters that not winning an election is what it's all about.

In the last 35 years and more there has only been one leader of the Labour Party elected to become PM, and many in the Labour Party hated him because he wasn't Socialist. But that was why he got elected.

21st Century Socialism is Corbyn not talking about all the Socialism, but answering in a very political way. I saw him answer a question about Socialism and answer something like "well we want the trains to run, who doesn't want that? We want the hospitals to function, who doesn't want that?" without actually stating what his Socialism actually is. It's more than likely getting most things under govt control.

Sounds like the standard mantra, "We've got to convince Tory voters to vote for us in order to win". Only 24% of the country voted Tory, and thats about as good as it will ever get for them in the U.K. (+/- 10%) It's the emaining 76% Labour needs to attract, including the 34% who didn't bother to vote at all. If the majority of that 34% can be inspired to vote Labour, we're in with a chance to consign the Tories to the dustbin of history where they belong, depite the best efforts of the mainstream media and Tory gerrymandering of constituencies.

But they won't vote for Corbyn. It's that simple. His message is the sort of message that lost Labour elections in the past. The Middle Class will look at the Tories and May and if everything isn't so bad, they'll vote for them again.

How do you know? Labour have 4 years to put their message across unless May calls a snap election (which may or may not be illegal unless she changes the law meantime) and even if she does there is a huge swathe of the Middle Class totally fed up with the Tories at the moment, especially those who voted for "remain".

4 years to put across a message which hasn't succeed in how long?

One elected Labour PM in how many years?

Since 1976, FORTY YEARS since a Labour PM was elected who wasn't Tony Blair. He had problems with the Unions, strikes that effectively killed his chance of winning in 1979.

I looked at Ed Milliband and I saw a guy who was too left wing to win a General Election. He lost. In fact he lost worse than Brown did by a long way. He took Labour backwards. What's going to change from 2015? Suddenly as the economy gets better, the Tories got out of the EU, what's going to turn people towards a guy way, way over on the left? More left than Milliband, who lost, more left than Brown, who lost, more left than many of the previous leaders who lost like Kinnock.

Not sure I agree with this.
Labour lost the last election, and the one before, because they offered no real alternative to the tories. It was a tory lite agenda set out. You could argue that Brown was punished for the recession as well.

Corbyns policies are not really revolutionary, and are probably not as radical as Plaid Cymru or even the Greens.

The tories are so awful that it should be an open goal. But Corbyn needs to do two things.
One is to get the labour pp facing the same way. That should not be impossible.

The second is to overcome the shocking tory controlled media. That is impossible.

I know a few people who have rejoined the party on the back of it. People who left because Labour brought in the likes of atos and academy schools, backed the Iraq war and so on.

The current leadership are moving in the right direction but overturning decades of a tory lite drift will take some doing.

 

[Manonthestreet]

It is interesting that he claims he is not the bankers' man, yet his entire financial balance plan for all his proposals is just more debt.

Makes me nervous but interest rates are at record lows and the economy needs a stimulus.
The fear is that the money will be controlled by fuckwits who dont know what they are doing.

Fake money doesnt work.....

 

[Tommy Tainant]

It is interesting that he claims he is not the bankers' man, yet his entire financial balance plan for all his proposals is just more debt.

Makes me nervous but interest rates are at record lows and the economy needs a stimulus.
The fear is that the money will be controlled by fuckwits who dont know what they are doing.

Fake money doesnt work.....

Whats fake about it ?

 

[Phoenall]

Jeremy Corbyn wins UK's Labour Party leadership race - CNN.com

On his victory speech, Corbyn has announced that what the British want is 21st century socialism. And to pay for it, he promptly proposed to lift the borrowing cap of each municipal district.

So, if you ever wondered why your local taxes always go up and where they go, wonder no more. The pretence is off. And in the UK it is not only the home owners but every resident must pay the local tax, called council tax.

Also, Corbyn said that the Labor party is the party of the disadvantaged workers and not the banks.

How stupid are people that they don't see through this?

This is the first legislative proposal to take advantage of the newly gained isolation of the post brexit British public.

Discuss.

21st Century Socialism looks rather like 20th Century Socialism, i.e. the Tories in power.

Corbyn isn't a leader of the Labour Party, he's the leader of a faction who has somehow managed to convince a lot of Labour supporters that not winning an election is what it's all about.

In the last 35 years and more there has only been one leader of the Labour Party elected to become PM, and many in the Labour Party hated him because he wasn't Socialist. But that was why he got elected.

21st Century Socialism is Corbyn not talking about all the Socialism, but answering in a very political way. I saw him answer a question about Socialism and answer something like "well we want the trains to run, who doesn't want that? We want the hospitals to function, who doesn't want that?" without actually stating what his Socialism actually is. It's more than likely getting most things under govt control.

Sounds like the standard mantra, "We've got to convince Tory voters to vote for us in order to win". Only 24% of the country voted Tory, and thats about as good as it will ever get for them in the U.K. (+/- 10%) It's the emaining 76% Labour needs to attract, including the 34% who didn't bother to vote at all. If the majority of that 34% can be inspired to vote Labour, we're in with a chance to consign the Tories to the dustbin of history where they belong, depite the best efforts of the mainstream media and Tory gerrymandering of constituencies.

And if we let Labour win we can say goodbye to our country and be forced to welcome sharia laws, forced conversion to islam or become 4th class citizens. Imagine Liverpool looking like gaza with the warring factions mass murdering each other. That is the scenario under labour if they win and the people are looking for another party to follow.

Now why didnt the Labour faithful get out and vote do you think, could it be they are sick of the hard left running the show and so dont want them to get into power. I note you ignored the labour voting figures that would show you are manipulating again. If the tories won with 24% of the country Labour must have polled less than this to lose, or does neo marxist maths work differently?

Mental.

Just go back 20 years and that is exactly what we faced, this is why we now have sharia enclaves in many of our major cities. The evidence of the decline of Labour is there if you but look, with many of their backers leaving and looking elsewhere.


And yes we all know you are mental, it comes out in every single post you make

 

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It is interesting that he claims he is not the bankers' man, yet his entire financial balance plan for all his proposals is just more debt.

Makes me nervous but interest rates are at record lows and the economy needs a stimulus.
The fear is that the money will be controlled by fuckwits who dont know what they are doing.

Fake money doesnt work.....

Whats fake about it ?

What supports it after Broon sold the gold because he could not steal anything else from the pensioners. Ever thought that his theft of pensions is what caused them to crash and be worthless ?