New Deal: Another Name For Fascism

[PoliticalChic]

From Wolfgang Schivelbusch, "Three New Deals,"

1. Scholars have discovered that totalitarian philosophies have a social-egalitarian component that adds to the mass popularity of such regimes. Thus, not only National Socialism, with its belief that its racial doctrine entailed the promise of equality for all members of the German people, or ‘Volk,’ but if one can look beyond the repression and terror, the New Deal can be seen as a series of economic misadventures achieved through the force of mass propaganda, and owing its success solely to America’s victory in WWII.

a. In an insightful analysis, John A. Garraty compared Roosevelt’s New Deal with aspects of the Third Reich: a strong leader; an ideology stressing the nation, the people and the land; state control of economic and social affairs; and the quality and quantity of government propaganda. Garraty, “The New Deal, National Socialism, and the Great Depression,” American Historical Review, vol. 78 (1973) p. 907ff.

b. Garraty reminds that to compare is not the same as to equate. Yet, many still find Garraty’s analysis too hot to handle.

2. The defining historical moment for the thinking of the 1930’s was the Great Depression. Many intellectuals decided that there was no particular reason to prefer the political system most closely associated with capitalism, liberal democracy, as opposed to the new systems that promised a brighter future. It is false to believe that the ‘enlightened’ even here in America, were not predisposed toward Fascism, and National Socialism. Many within the liberal camp were ready and willing to save the situation by jettisoning liberal ballast, and proposed imitating various Fascist models.

a. The many forms of neo-socialism moved right into fascism. A case in point is Mussolini, once an ardent socialist, who created Fascism as a better form of socialism.

b. In France,Marcel Deat envisioned “a form of society neither socialist nor capitalist,” with a strong centralized state that controlled capital without appropriating it. In England, John Middleton Murray foresaw “a government of national security which achieves the goal of economic separation of property and control…”

c. The term ‘liberal,’ as used here, refers to economic and political laissez-faire philosophy originating with Adam Smith and the free-trade of Manchester capitalism.

3. Noting the areas of convergence among the New Deal, Fascism and National Socialism, all three were considered postliberal state-capitalist, or state-socialist systems more closely related to one another than to classic Anglo-French liberalism. Hitler, Mussolini, and Roosevelt were seen as examples of plebiscite-based leadership, autocrats who came to power by varying but legal means, with socially oriented policies of collective consolidation.

a. Were it not for the revelations of WWII, many of the American Left today would still claim lineage with Fascists and National Socialists.

History, an important tool in understanding the present.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

FDR: American Fascist.

And that's also why the New Deal turned a bad recession into an economy worse than the 7 Biblical Lean Years

 

[Toronado3800]

Interesting all this switching of Hitler's place on the political spectrum. I don't want him on my side either! Think I'll claim he was Tea Party lol.

Take into account the feelings of the time. With hindsight it is difficult to do.

Capitalism looked like a failing institution in post industrial revolution economies.

America was out of western conquored lands for big government to give away to folks who wanted to escape the barrons. (Pa Ingels, the Union Pafific, and the rest were used to HUGE government land hand outs in exchange for work).

In other countries where the economy tanked there were real live revolutions.

FDR brought us from the capitalist extreme, an America I do not think we woukd recognize or like today, back towards the middle.

 

[editec]

Clearly the relationship between the central government and the rest of society changed post the crash of 1929.

You can call it any word that flaots your boat.

You can call it SAVING CAPITALISM from itself" if you approve.

You can call it FASCISM if you hate it (or if you like it and also like facism)

But whatever you call it, it was what it was.

It really wasn't until WWII when the government started SERIOULY deficit spending (and did so in a highly organized way that certainly resembles FASCISM) that the economy improved.

But the thing is, after the war, all those wage and price controls were lifted.

So the USA war emergency powers facism was temporary.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Interesting all this switching of Hitler's place on the political spectrum. I don't want him on my side either! Think I'll claim he was Tea Party lol.

Take into account the feelings of the time. With hindsight it is difficult to do.

Capitalism looked like a failing institution in post industrial revolution economies.

America was out of western conquored lands for big government to give away to folks who wanted to escape the barrons. (Pa Ingels, the Union Pafific, and the rest were used to HUGE government land hand outs in exchange for work).

In other countries where the economy tanked there were real live revolutions.

FDR brought us from the capitalist extreme, an America I do not think we woukd recognize or like today, back towards the middle.

This is not hindsight, this is history.

Actually, and not only from the OP....but from a study of the history of the period, the three leaders were largely on the same page.

All three agreed on the collective vs. the individual, on 'equality,' on government contol of the economy, on side aspects such as eugenics.

For example:
Hitler wrote to the president of the American Eugenics Society to ask for a copy of his“The Case for Sterilization.” (Margaret Sanger and Sterilization) German race science stood on American progressive’s shoulders.


And, you may be interested in the following:

The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers. Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"

a. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’

b. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

The change that you mistakenly see as recent, occurred when the horrors of the Nazi and Fascist regimes were uncovered, and so new meme was that there was a left-right separation that you seem to accept.

In point of fact, an earlier Progressive, Woodrow Wilson, made the United States into the first Fascist nation, well before Mussiolini and Hitler.
During WW I, under the Progressive Woodrow Wilson, American was a fascist nation.
a. Had the world’s first modern propaganda ministry
b. Political prisoners by the thousands were harassed, beaten, spied upon and thrown in jail for simply expressing private opinions.
c. The national leader accused foreigners and immigrants of injecting treasonous ‘poison’ into the American bloodstream
d. Newspapers and magazines were closed for criticizing the government
e. Almost 100,000 government propaganda agents were sent out to whip up support for the regime and the war
f. College professors imposed loyalty oaths on their colleagues
g. Nearly a quarter million ‘goons’ were given legal authority to beat and intimidate ‘slackers’ and dissenters
h. Leading artists and writers dedicated their work to proselytizing for the government.
http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Classical_Liberalism_vs_Modern_Liberal_Conservatism.pdf p. 9

 

[PoliticalChic]

Clearly the relationship between the central government and the rest of society changed post the crash of 1929.

You can call it any word that flaots your boat.

You can call it SAVING CAPITALISM from itself" if you approve.

You can call it FASCISM if you hate it (or if you like it and also like facism)

But whatever you call it, it was what it was.

It really wasn't until WWII when the government started SERIOULY deficit spending (and did so in a highly organized way that certainly resembles FASCISM) that the economy improved.

But the thing is, after the war, all those wage and price controls were lifted.

So the USA war emergency powers facism was temporary.

No, no, my friend, even as flaccid as your defense of the New Deal is, it is wrong, and incorrect.

First, it was not designed for "SAVING CAPITALISM from itself..." but rather to change horses to mount a new economic and political philosophy, as is shown in the OP.

And, further, you are totally wrong in our claim "wasn't until WWII when the government started SERIOULY deficit spending (and did so in a highly organized way that certainly resembles FASCISM)..."
Either you have forgotten to read the history of the period, or you are passing the blame from FDR to WWII.

Here, let me show you, from almost a decade prior to WWII:

1. Assumng that your narrative is geared toward minimizing the relationship between Roosevelt’s New Deal, and that of Mussolini and of Hitler…and that only due to the exigencies of the Second World War did it become necessary for Roosevelt to assume extreme powers identified with those of the other two regimes, let's see:

2. In 1933, Fascism was celebrating its eleventh year in power, in Italy, and the election of the National Socialists in Germany represented an unmitigated defeat for liberal democracy in Europe’s largest industrialized nation.

a. At the beginning of the same month, FDR was inaugurated as President. And before Congress went into recess it granted powers to Roosevelt unprecedented in peacetime. From Congressional hearings, 1973: “Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency.” Emergency Powers Statutes (Senate Report 93-549)

3. The National Socialists hailed these ‘relief measures’ in ways you will recognize:

a. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”

b. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’

c. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”

d. The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”


I'm going to assume that you are going to reconsider both your claim that war created fascism in the New Deal, and that the fascist strains of the New Deal have ended.

 

[Polk]

FDR: American Fascist.

And that's also why the New Deal turned a bad recession into an economy worse than the 7 Biblical Lean Years

Yeah. Damn that FDR, with the falling unemployment and massive increases in output.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR: American Fascist.

And that's also why the New Deal turned a bad recession into an economy worse than the 7 Biblical Lean Years

Yeah. Damn that FDR, with the falling unemployment and massive increases in output.

The Dog and the Wolf
A gaunt Wolf was almost dead with hunger when he happened to meet a House-dog who was passing by. "Ah, Cousin," said the Dog. "I knew how it would be; your irregular life will soon be the ruin of you. Why do you not work steadily as I do, and get your food regularly given to you?"
"I would have no objection," said the Wolf, "if I could only get a place."

"I will easily arrange that for you," said the Dog; "come with me to my master and you shall share my work."

So the Wolf and the Dog went towards the town together. On the way there the Wolf noticed that the hair on a certain part of the Dog's neck was very much worn away, so he asked him how that had come about.

"Oh, it is nothing," said the Dog. "That is only the place where the collar is put on at night to keep me chained up; it chafes a bit, but one soon gets used to it."

"Is that all?" said the Wolf. "Then good-bye to you, Master Dog."

Better starve free than be a fat slave.


So, that tie in your avi, ...does it hide the chain?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Interesting all this switching of Hitler's place on the political spectrum. I don't want him on my side either! Think I'll claim he was Tea Party lol.

Take into account the feelings of the time. With hindsight it is difficult to do.

Capitalism looked like a failing institution in post industrial revolution economies.

America was out of western conquored lands for big government to give away to folks who wanted to escape the barrons. (Pa Ingels, the Union Pafific, and the rest were used to HUGE government land hand outs in exchange for work).

In other countries where the economy tanked there were real live revolutions.

FDR brought us from the capitalist extreme, an America I do not think we woukd recognize or like today, back towards the middle.

You know less than nothing.

Under Coolidge and Mellon Post WWI unemployment went from 12% to 4% in 18 months. By the time they were done leaving the economy alone you could not time an unemployed person in America,

And that's before electricity was used widely.

Hoover was impressed by Stalin and thought he could centrally plan the US economy (For example the reason mattresses come in only four sizes king, queen, full and twin was because Herbert Wonder Boy Hoover wanted it that way) Hoover's central planning started, then FDR's Fascist, Progressive Totalitarian leanings took a bad recession and managed to dwarf the 7 Biblical Lean Years.

The US economy did not even start to become well again until Hitler invaded Poland

 

[CrusaderFrank]

FDR: American Fascist.

And that's also why the New Deal turned a bad recession into an economy worse than the 7 Biblical Lean Years

Yeah. Damn that FDR, with the falling unemployment and massive increases in output.

1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%, 1940 14.6%

Here's the data set.

You need to thank Hitler for invading Poland for pulling US out of the FDR Depression

 

[Big Fitz]

Interesting all this switching of Hitler's place on the political spectrum. I don't want him on my side either! Think I'll claim he was Tea Party lol.

Take into account the feelings of the time. With hindsight it is difficult to do.

Capitalism looked like a failing institution in post industrial revolution economies.

America was out of western conquored lands for big government to give away to folks who wanted to escape the barrons. (Pa Ingels, the Union Pafific, and the rest were used to HUGE government land hand outs in exchange for work).

In other countries where the economy tanked there were real live revolutions.

FDR brought us from the capitalist extreme, an America I do not think we woukd recognize or like today, back towards the middle.

This is not hindsight, this is history.

Actually, and not only from the OP....but from a study of the history of the period, the three leaders were largely on the same page.

All three agreed on the collective vs. the individual, on 'equality,' on government contol of the economy, on side aspects such as eugenics.

For example:
Hitler wrote to the president of the American Eugenics Society to ask for a copy of his“The Case for Sterilization.” (Margaret Sanger and Sterilization) German race science stood on American progressive’s shoulders.


And, you may be interested in the following:

The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers. Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"

a. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’

b. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

The change that you mistakenly see as recent, occurred when the horrors of the Nazi and Fascist regimes were uncovered, and so new meme was that there was a left-right separation that you seem to accept.

In point of fact, an earlier Progressive, Woodrow Wilson, made the United States into the first Fascist nation, well before Mussiolini and Hitler.
During WW I, under the Progressive Woodrow Wilson, American was a fascist nation.
a. Had the world’s first modern propaganda ministry
b. Political prisoners by the thousands were harassed, beaten, spied upon and thrown in jail for simply expressing private opinions.
c. The national leader accused foreigners and immigrants of injecting treasonous ‘poison’ into the American bloodstream
d. Newspapers and magazines were closed for criticizing the government
e. Almost 100,000 government propaganda agents were sent out to whip up support for the regime and the war
f. College professors imposed loyalty oaths on their colleagues
g. Nearly a quarter million ‘goons’ were given legal authority to beat and intimidate ‘slackers’ and dissenters
h. Leading artists and writers dedicated their work to proselytizing for the government.
http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Classical_Liberalism_vs_Modern_Liberal_Conservatism.pdf p. 9

No no, you have to realize this is codewords PC.

- History is past events I agree with and will accept as true.
- Hindsight is past events I don't want to agree with and will refute as false regardless of evidence.

See how easy it is? Discount hindsight, but what you believe is history! The past becomes much more rosy that way.

Of course those who do not want Hitler where he rightfully belongs on the 'authoritarian left' side of the coin must explain how he could possibly be on the 'authoritarian right' without stretching the definitions of the subject like so much taffy.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR: American Fascist.

And that's also why the New Deal turned a bad recession into an economy worse than the 7 Biblical Lean Years

Yeah. Damn that FDR, with the falling unemployment and massive increases in output.

1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%, 1940 14.6%

Here's the data set.

You need to thank Hitler for invading Poland for pulling US out of the FDR Depression

Sadly, many of our colleagues continue to see the conflation of business and government, with the latter in the driver's seat, as the correct model to the exclusion of the free-market capitalist model.

My hope is that threads like this will explain the nexus of politics and business, and provide the proof that government plays an excessive role.

1. English and French commentators routinely depicted Roosevelt as akin to Mussolini. A more specific reason why, in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one. And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.

a. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.

b. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.

2. Robert Reich, proponent of the from of corporatism known as the Third Way movement, wrote “The Next American Frontier,” in 1983, and championed, in exchange for ‘restructuring assistance’ from the government, businesses would agree to ‘maintain their old work forces intact.’

a. Workers would become de factor citizens of their companies, in a relationship similar to Krupp’s General Regulations. “The Krupps feared the Social Democrats and to keep them out of their facilities, they used repression and a compensation package that many German workers found quite acceptable. If you worked for Krupp, your children were born in a Krupp hospital, educated in a Krupp school, played on a Krupp playground, etc. You shopped in a Krupp store. It was cradle-to-grave security of sorts. Women advertising for husbands would specify employees of Krupp.” Chapter Four: notes

b. In an even more eerie echo of Italian Fascist corporatist thought, corporations would replace “geographic jurisdictions as conduits of government support for economic and human development.” Social services- health care, day care, education, and so forth- would all be provided by your employer. Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."
We can see the same in the crony capitalism of the Obama administration.

3. “The Big Ripoff,” by Tim Carney: in a supposed free enterprise system, Congress obviates free enterprise by picking winners and loser. While promising to ‘reform’ the healthcare system by reducing costs, this Congress subsidizes drug companies and forbids re-importation of prescription drugs. This is not capitalism.
Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: The Big Ripoff: How Big Business and Big Government Steal Your Money

 

[Bfgrn]

FDR saved capitalism.

Next...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Interesting all this switching of Hitler's place on the political spectrum. I don't want him on my side either! Think I'll claim he was Tea Party lol.

Take into account the feelings of the time. With hindsight it is difficult to do.

Capitalism looked like a failing institution in post industrial revolution economies.

America was out of western conquored lands for big government to give away to folks who wanted to escape the barrons. (Pa Ingels, the Union Pafific, and the rest were used to HUGE government land hand outs in exchange for work).

In other countries where the economy tanked there were real live revolutions.

FDR brought us from the capitalist extreme, an America I do not think we woukd recognize or like today, back towards the middle.

This is not hindsight, this is history.

Actually, and not only from the OP....but from a study of the history of the period, the three leaders were largely on the same page.

All three agreed on the collective vs. the individual, on 'equality,' on government contol of the economy, on side aspects such as eugenics.

For example:
Hitler wrote to the president of the American Eugenics Society to ask for a copy of his“The Case for Sterilization.” (Margaret Sanger and Sterilization) German race science stood on American progressive’s shoulders.


And, you may be interested in the following:

The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers. Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"

a. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’

b. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

The change that you mistakenly see as recent, occurred when the horrors of the Nazi and Fascist regimes were uncovered, and so new meme was that there was a left-right separation that you seem to accept.

In point of fact, an earlier Progressive, Woodrow Wilson, made the United States into the first Fascist nation, well before Mussiolini and Hitler.
During WW I, under the Progressive Woodrow Wilson, American was a fascist nation.
a. Had the world’s first modern propaganda ministry
b. Political prisoners by the thousands were harassed, beaten, spied upon and thrown in jail for simply expressing private opinions.
c. The national leader accused foreigners and immigrants of injecting treasonous ‘poison’ into the American bloodstream
d. Newspapers and magazines were closed for criticizing the government
e. Almost 100,000 government propaganda agents were sent out to whip up support for the regime and the war
f. College professors imposed loyalty oaths on their colleagues
g. Nearly a quarter million ‘goons’ were given legal authority to beat and intimidate ‘slackers’ and dissenters
h. Leading artists and writers dedicated their work to proselytizing for the government.
http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Classical_Liberalism_vs_Modern_Liberal_Conservatism.pdf p. 9

No no, you have to realize this is codewords PC.

- History is past events I agree with and will accept as true.
- Hindsight is past events I don't want to agree with and will refute as false regardless of evidence.

See how easy it is? Discount hindsight, but what you believe is history! The past becomes much more rosy that way.

Of course those who do not want Hitler where he rightfully belongs on the 'authoritarian left' side of the coin must explain how he could possibly be on the 'authoritarian right' without stretching the definitions of the subject like so much taffy.

Sadly, you are correct...I think they call it 'feel-good history.'

Accecpt only what agrees with you!

 

[Big Fitz]

FDR saved capitalism.

Next...

Only tardtard would make this connection. How state property saved private property. Yet some more "Slavery is Freedom" 'wisdumb' of the left.

Film at 11.

 

[editec]

Clearly the relationship between the central government and the rest of society changed post the crash of 1929.

You can call it any word that flaots your boat.

You can call it SAVING CAPITALISM from itself" if you approve.

You can call it FASCISM if you hate it (or if you like it and also like facism)

But whatever you call it, it was what it was.

It really wasn't until WWII when the government started SERIOULY deficit spending (and did so in a highly organized way that certainly resembles FASCISM) that the economy improved.

But the thing is, after the war, all those wage and price controls were lifted.

So the USA war emergency powers facism was temporary.

No, no, my friend, even as flaccid as your defense of the New Deal is, it is wrong, and incorrect.

What makes you think it was a defence of it flaccid or otherwise?

Clearly your presupposition about my motives are misleading you about who and what I really am.

First, it was not designed for "SAVING CAPITALISM from itself..." but rather to change horses to mount a new economic and political philosophy, as is shown in the OP.

I gave my readers a variety of POVs used to describe the New Deal. Those were not my words, they are the words of others.

And, further, you are totally wrong in our claim "wasn't until WWII when the government started SERIOULY deficit spending (and did so in a highly organized way that certainly resembles FASCISM)..."

Well on this point you're just totally misinformed.

Deficiet spending on the grand scale it took to radically cange our economy really didn't kick in until WWII.

In the New Deal years deficiet spending was about 4 billion a year

In the years 1941-45 it hovered in the neighborhood of 60 Billion.

you can go here Government Spending Chart in United States 1930-1950 - Federal State Local

And check that for yourself if you doubt my scholarship.

Either you have forgotten to read the history of the period, or you are passing the blame from FDR to WWII.

Nonsense. I'm not "passing the blame" I'm merely noting the facts.


You'll excuse me if you don't respond to the rest of your post but it seems to have been written based on some false assumption about the point of my post.

I was merely pointing out that the NEW DEAL wasn't an especially strong Keynsian response to the economy.

And also, I pointed out that when the government DID start spending money it did not have, it increased the national budgetary deficiet by a factor of 15 TIMES the previous year's spending.

My advice to you is to stop trying to teacher you grandfather how to suck eggs.

And stop imagining that you can read my mind and ascribing motives to my posts that clearly are NOT there.

Thanks.

 

[Polk]

FDR: American Fascist.

And that's also why the New Deal turned a bad recession into an economy worse than the 7 Biblical Lean Years

Yeah. Damn that FDR, with the falling unemployment and massive increases in output.

1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%, 1940 14.6%

Here's the data set.

You need to thank Hitler for invading Poland for pulling US out of the FDR Depression

I'd say the fall from 24.9% to 14.3% was pretty significant. The reason unemployment ticks back up in 1938-1939 is that he paid too much attention to the conservatives of his day and cut spending.

 

[Polk]

FDR saved capitalism.

Next...

Only tardtard would make this connection. How state property saved private property. Yet some more "Slavery is Freedom" 'wisdumb' of the left.

Film at 11.

Are you really naive enough to believe that people would have put up with the existing state of affairs forever?

 

[editec]

Ironically, it was the COMMUNISTS who were pissed at FDR and complained that he was "SAVING CAPITALISM"

Meanwhile, the radical right of the day was pissed at FDR and called the NEW DEALER a communist?

The right wing BANKSTER CLASS even when so far as to call him "A TRAITOR TO HIS CLASS." (how that for honesty on their part?...they KNEW that classism was alive and well in this nation)

Meanwhile, the vast majority of saner Amercans just thanked him for trying to mitigate the worst effects of the worst economic disater this nation had EVER faced. (that's why he kept getting elected time after time, ya know?)

But his efforts to rejuvinate our eonomy didn't really work until when?

1941 when the government really started spending money it did not have to fight the Axis powers.

 

[Bfgrn]

FDR saved capitalism.

Next...

Only tardtard would make this connection. How state property saved private property. Yet some more "Slavery is Freedom" 'wisdumb' of the left.

Film at 11.

Only a retard would try to label FDR a fascist. Especially when there is evidence America's wealthiest industrialists and bankers plotted to overthrow the government of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and replace it with a fascist dictatorship.

Roosevelt did save capitalism from it's radical and extreme right wing form...fascism.

Maybe a better way of stating it is FDR saved America from fascism. Because there were fascists in the Republican ranks and the biggest backers of Hitler in America were industrialists and bankers.

But the word 'save' must be understood in proper context...100% of nothing is still NOTHING.

A wealthy man in a fine suit and top hat fell into deep water. He didn't know how to swim and was on the verge of drowning. Hearing his cries, another man dived into the water and saved him as his top hat floated away. The man who had almost drowned regained his breath and, for a moment, seemed grateful. Three years later, though, he returned and denounced his rescuer for not saving his hat, too.

That story is one that Franklin D. Roosevelt is said to have told describing what he had done for big- business men in 1933 when, in the words of Raymond Moley, a member of Roosevelt's New Deal brain trust, "capitalism was saved in eight days."