Again. It doesn't matter. They're going to see whatever they need to see to defend their tribe. Even at the cost of their own morality, even at the cost of their souls.
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Marener
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He and two women were retreating from an agent who was coming after them. That’s not escalation.
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Nobody could hear anything bc all your friends were blowing their whistles
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So...he didn't have a weapon on him when he was shot because he was disarmed prior to being shot, like I said.
I'm glad you were able to get that cleared up.
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I question the shots through the side window but apply the same doctrine.
Once lethality is introduced in the immediacy of the situation......I side with officer preservation more times than not.
If Good had just stopped the car she could be protesting Pretti's death now. Honking her horn like no tomorrow.
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Did they see a gun in his possession when they shouted "gun, gun, gun!". No, they didn't. Because he didn't have one.
These officers are incompetent and a danger to the community.
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Coming back into the street after being moved out is.
XponentialChaos
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So Byrd acted appropriately in shooting Babbitt. Got it.
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He was filming at a safe distance, at least 10-15 feet away from their vehicle.
That is not an escalation. That’s a constitutional right.
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You're claiming he never had a gun?
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I don't think it analogous because Babbitt didn't introduce lethality - it appears she merely trespassed. She too went from peaceful protest and inserted herself in a LE confrontation and sadly found out you may not like the consequences.
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No, I'm claiming he didn't have one with him when he was shot.
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Tribe. You and Mac are twins
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The mob was actually assaulting officers and she chose, poorly, to lead that mob. The officer did not have much time to evaluate the threat level, so he shot the first person that tried to get through that window. The alternative was to sit there and get assaulted by the violent mob and, worse yet, allow our elected officials to get assaulted as well.
Byrd's shot was justified.
Apparently the street was closed off at both ends while they were making an arrest. Anyone in the closed off area is obstructing. That's why it doesn't look like an active protest. Yet here is Pretti, packing large and filming.
Another thing, when I first saw the incident, heard the shots and first thing I saw was that woman in red and at first, I the thought she was firing a gun.
Imagine what a cop is going to think/see.
Another thing, when I first saw the incident, heard the shots and first thing I saw was that woman in red and at first, I the thought she was firing a gun.
Imagine what a cop is going to think/see.
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GUN GUN did you here that? Agents here that and react instantly.
He chose poorly.
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Within Tueller distances and without a permit.
Tueller Drill - Wikipedia
In Minnesota, a permit is required to protest in the street when:
- Disruption of Traffic: A permit is necessary if the protest involves marching or parading on streets that would block vehicle traffic.
- Large Gatherings: For larger public assemblies that may disrupt normal public use of streets or sidewalks, a permit is typically required.
- Coordination with Law Enforcement: Obtaining a permit helps coordinate with law enforcement to ensure public safety and manage traffic effectively.
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They shouted "gun, gun, gun!" when there was no gun. Sounds like they're a bunch of incompetent morons.
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Don't really give a shit. Sad. Just like Good is sad. If she climbed through my window or hit me with her car I'd likely shoot her too.
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Wait - there wasn't a gun ?
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