New: CBP Shoots and Kills Man in MN

[XponentialChaos]

So the question remains....how much time before revealing the gun and the first shot? How much more time did they have.

I already answered. Not much time. They rushed to murder him instead of properly evaluating the situation.

Do you recommend open carriers engage direct confrontation with LE?

It’s not my place to recommend that people don’t exercise their freedoms. If they want to, go ahead. Hopefully they’re not murdered for doing so, though I’m sure you would defend officers for it if they did.

 

[MisterBeale]

Most are under trained and not up to the task.

This is false narrative. It is something I thought was true till I looked into it.

The ICE agent that shot Good was a ten year veteran.

The CBP agent that shot Pretti had eight years.

 

[Delldude]

I already answered. Not much time. They rushed to murder him instead of properly evaluating the situation.



It’s not my place to recommend that people don’t exercise their freedoms. If they want to, go ahead. Hopefully they’re not murdered for doing so, though I’m sure you would defend officers for it if they did.

Dude, you get meals delivered?

 

[Delldude]

This is false narrative. It is something I thought was true till I looked into it.

The ICE agent that shot Good was a ten year veteran.

The CBP agent that shot Pretti had eight years.

MB, that's what the clowns on the left don't do, is look media claims up.

Thank you.

 

[IM2]

There is absolutely a comparison. The rules don’t change just because it’s a democrat doing it. Walz and other democrat elected officials are absolutely inciting these violent riots.

They too need to be held accountable, right?

There is no sane comparison whatsoever. You can make up anything and claim it can be compared, but the situations are not the same. Trump incited a crowd with a bunch of lies about something that never happened. Walz has been imploring the people to be peaceful, but he had strong words for the administration that is actually killing citizens. There is no similarity and for you right-wingers to even make that claim is disingenuous. You right-wing fascists want to imagine this being the same, but thinking peope plainly see that it isn't, and no matter how many times you try arguing that it is, you are lying to yourself.

 

[IM2]

Why would you want them unmasked? What's the goal with that?

For the same reason they have been unmasked during every presidency before this one.

 

[IM2]

MB, that's what the clowns on the left don't do, is look media claims up.

Thank you.

Why do you right-wingers lie so much?

 

[mudwhistle]

The guy was MAGA all the way

Thanks for pointing out how violent you people are

MAGA guy working for Tampon Timmy??

That makes zero sense.

Every time some leftist dick becomes violent you bastards automatically claim the perp is MAGA.

 

[Dr Grump]

This is false narrative. It is something I thought was true till I looked into it.

The ICE agent that shot Good was a ten year veteran.

The CBP agent that shot Pretti had eight years.

Jesus. That makes it worse.

 

[j-mac]

For the same reason they have been unmasked during every presidency before this one.

What's that?

 

[dblack]

Do you advise other mostly peaceful protesters to show up with a concealed gun and high capacity magazines?

Of course not. That would be stupid. The question is, does his error in judgement justify summary execution?

And I'm not entertaining the nonsense that the agents were acting in self-defense. He was in no way aggressive. He had his hands in the air (in the traditional surrender gesture) when the agents jumped him. Then they beat the shit out of him for a while. THEN they found the gun. He never drew the gun, and the agents didn't know he had it when they jumped him. So it's a preposterous notion to suggest that they were defending themselves from an attacker.

They jumped him because they were being harassed by the protestors and wanted to do shut them up. So they got violent. Maybe they didn't intend to kill him, but after it got messy that was the quickest way to clean things up. When you've got a gun, and "absolute immunity", why horse around with half measures?

 

[MisterBeale]

Jesus. That makes it worse.

Yes, of course it does if you believe the narratives being spun by the left.

I really don't know what happened in any of this, I was not there. Hell I don't even trust the establishment not to digitally alter and manufacture media to purposely divide people. . . . .


Till I know more, I'd have to defer to the agents on the ground, and judge they had their reasons for acting the way they did, and it wasn't malicious, but in a defensive manner.


If, OTH, you defer to the professionals and the expertise of those who do that job, you might want to reserve judgement till all the facts are out there.

I remember during COVID, the left continually hammered on about, "trusting the experts." Well, we now know, folks that have lots of experience in their fields can be bone heads as well. It is, of course, just as likely these agents were as bone-headed as that quack Fauci.

Though, I would not hold my breath waiting for you to acknowledge this simple fact.

Both sides take it as an article of faith that their "experts," know what they are doing, even when the rest of us can see they are all corrupt or just humans making mistakes.

 

[Delldude]

Why do you right-wingers lie so much?

How'd your ' no paid protesters' lie pan out?

Looking for work?

 

[Marener]

Would you believe something FNC said?

FNC doesn’t do journalism. They’re opinion.

I can find dozens of episodes of this, but why should I unless it actually matters? Does it?

Under appeal.

Facts are not in dispute. They broke down his door without a judicial warrant.

Don't lie about what I have said, I'm not lying about you....This only shows me that you haven't a leg to stand on....


We shall see.

No, the CBP, and possibly the courts.

Lots of hyperbole going around.

Nah, it's opinion....I've already covered this.

Would you believe something FNC said?

Under appeal.

Don't lie about what I have said, I'm not lying about you....This only shows me that you haven't a leg to stand on....


We shall see.

No, the CBP, and possibly the courts.

Lots of hyperbole going around.

Nah, it's opinion....I've already covered this.

Lots of denials and non-answers.

DHS and CBP are part of the Trump administration and therefore they won’t say anything he doesn’t want them to, meaning nothing that would do any harm to the agenda. The Trump administration is in charge of investigating itself. Sounds like a good way to get the truth?

It won’t go to the courts.

What we saw on the video is not an opinion. Those are facts. You still believe facts exist, don’t you?

 

[Marener]

Are you actually that naive?

'Deporter in Chief'.…...

Expedited removal which Trump copied.

Go scour the Internet and get back to me.

Expedited removals were for people apprehended while crossing the border.

We are talking about thousands of ICE agents pulling over people because they’re brown and demanding their papers. When did Obama do that?

 

[Delldude]

Expedited removals were for people apprehended while crossing the border.

Yeah within 100 miles of the border.

When did Obama do that?

AI opinion:

During the Obama administration (2009–2017), U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) conducted large-scale enforcement operations and reached record-high deportation numbers, particularly in the first term, which critics argued disproportionately impacted Latino communities and involved instances of racial profiling
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However, the specific, widespread tactic of agents pulling over people solely for "being brown" and demanding papers was not a declared policy of the Obama administration. Rather, it was a criticism levied against the enforcement mechanisms in place at that time, such as the "Secure Communities" program.

So Trump's immigration policies are to very similar, if not based on Obama precedent.

 

[Delldude]

FNC doesn’t do journalism.

They do both.... stop with the lies.

 

[Marener]

So Trump's immigration policies are to very similar, if not based on Obama precedent.

This statement is too stupid to take seriously.

 

[Delldude]

This statement is too stupid to take seriously.

Maybe you can explain why Trump used expedited removal, which was created by Clinton, expanded by Obama......

And with that said, why all the rhetoric from the left, removing the illegals now?

You're not telling us you don't know what you're talking about are you?

 

[struth]

Expedited removals were for people apprehended while crossing the border.

We are talking about thousands of ICE agents pulling over people because they’re brown and demanding their papers. When did Obama do that?

Can you quote the text of the law and cite where it says it only applies to illegals on the border

Thanks in advance