New: CBP Shoots and Kills Man in MN

[kyzr]

He wasn't armed when they shot him and he didn't attack them.
So...no. You're wrong.

I want to know why someone yelled "gun, gun, gun"
That's when he was shot.
If the gun was removed, why yell "gun, gun, gun"?

Bottom line, why approach agents when you are armed?
That is a fatal error.

 

[Lesh]

You got that thrill when Ashli Babbitt was murdered. We get ours now.

I got no thrill from that

The fact that this murder “thrills” you says it all

 

[XponentialChaos]

I want to know why someone yelled "gun, gun, gun"
That's when he was shot.
If the gun was removed, why yell "gun, gun, gun"?

Because they're incompetent idiots.

They yelled "gun, gun, gun" when he had already been disarmed.

 

[Lesh]

I want to know why someone yelled "gun, gun, gun"
That's when he was shot.
If the gun was removed, why yell "gun, gun, gun"?

Bottom line, why approach agents when you are armed?
That is a fatal mistake.

Because they are poorly trained thugs looking for an excuse to kill American citizens who they don’t like

 

[Marener]

Prove that.

Tons of reports and videos of this circulating online.

Immigration officers around Minneapolis are approaching people and demanding proof that they’re U.S. citizens

U.S. citizens who are out walking or standing in public are not required to provide documentation or provide identification, one legal expert says.

www.nbcnews.com

But then again, why demand proof when you don’t give a shit anyway?

warrants are not needed if they suspect someone of being illegal

It’s necessary to have a warrant when you’re busting down someone’s door.

Can ICE Enter a Home To Make an Arrest With Only an Administrative Warrant?

The Associated Press reports: Immigration officers assert sweeping power to enter homes without a judge's warrant, memo says WASHINGTON (AP)…

reason.com

US Judge Rules ICE Raids Require Judicial Warrants, Contradicting Secret ICE Memo

The ruling in federal court in Minnesota lands as Immigration and Customs Enforcement faces scrutiny over an internal memo claiming judge-signed warrants aren’t needed to enter homes without consent.

www.wired.com

Their actions are justified by the constitution to enforce immigration laws.

Their use of force is completely beyond reason.

Their definition of obstruction is absurd.

 

[Dr Grump]

I want to know why someone yelled "gun, gun, gun"
That's when he was shot.
If the gun was removed, why yell "gun, gun, gun"?

Bottom line, why approach agents when you are armed?
That is a fatal mistake.

God, let's go back 20 years ago when I first started on this board. The vitriol from the right when I suggested you don't need the 2nd amendment. Their core argument back then wasn't about hunting rights or protecting your family rights (although they were considerations), it was about protecting yourself from a rogue govt.

That aside, the ICE agents escalated (for a change <rolls eyes>), and this is the end result. Most are under trained and not up to the task. And it shows. Instead of being professional, they're just spoiling for a fight. Doesn't help the mental (and physical) midget Bavino struts around like he's king of the hill. They're a disgrace to law enforcement.

BTW, I think ICE is necessary - just not as jack booted thugs who hide behind face masks.

 

[dblack]

So why did he need to be killed if he was disarmed? He didn’t.

The same reason Good had to be killed as she was driving away.

 

[kyzr]

Because they are poorly trained thugs looking for an excuse to kill American citizens who they don’t like

If they are poorly trained, or if their training does not account for being harassed by suicidal morons, and they are trying to enforce the law and arrest perps, things get out of control and people die.

On MTP this morning Todd Blanche explained that all over the US ICE does their job with no interference from radicals. Only in MN do the pols rile up the crazies to interfere with ICE and end up dead. Why is that? Do the democrats want to keep the Somali fraud cash cow flowing? Do the dems think that illegals will add more democrat votes?

ICE does not kill citizens they don't like, ICE kills in self-defense because crazy radicals interfere with them doing their job, as directed by local politicians. If pols cooperated with ICE like in American cities and states no one would have died. ICE would get criminals from the local jails instead of chasing them around the city.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Is anyone arguing that he didn't think Pretti was armed? No, because that's stupid.

It also doesn't change the fact that he didn't have a gun when he was shot.

How much time elapsed between the revelation of the concealed gun and he first shot?

Do you advise other mostly peaceful protesters to show up with a concealed gun and high capacity magazines?

 

[Marener]

Where's that at? In your mind?

Extensive reporting.

Immigration officers around Minneapolis are approaching people and demanding proof that they’re U.S. citizens

U.S. citizens who are out walking or standing in public are not required to provide documentation or provide identification, one legal expert says.

www.nbcnews.com

Not that you care. You’re fine with this. But it does prove this isn’t about finding criminals.

Not happening.

It was a big story this week.

Judge: ICE violated Liberian man’s rights by bursting through front door during arrest | FOX 9 Minneapolis-St. Paul

A federal court judge has ruled that the recent ICE arrest of a Liberian immigrant in Minneapolis violated his constitutional rights, ordering his immediate release.

www.fox9.com

Not happening.

It’s in your own statement and in the attitude of the agents and leadership. They don’t have to justify anything to anyone. They’ll do what they want to whomever they want.

These thugs have been told they have absolute immunity. What do you expect from people who have been told they have no accountability?

Not going to adjudicate that here...Neither you nor I are qualified, and are not privy to everything we would need to reach that conclusion.

Convenient. You’ll just sit back and wait for the Trump administration to tell you what to think.

Didn’t stop Stephen Miller and others in the administration from painting Pretti as a terrorist who wanted to kill them.

Oh, it's an opinion....You're entitled to it...I just happen to want to wait and see more...What's the matter with that?

Thanks for your opinion.

It’s on video. It’s not an opinion. It’s a fact.

 

[kyzr]

God, let's go back 20 years ago when I first started on this board. The vitriol from the right when I suggested you don't need the 2nd amendment. Their core argument back then wasn't about hunting rights or protecting your family rights (although they were considerations), it was about protecting yourself from a rogue govt.

That is still true. Biden and Mayorkas proved that with their 4-years of open borders, while swearing under oath that the border was sealed. The future is very unsettled, especially if the democrats end the filibuster, only prevented by Manchin and Sinema.

That aside, the ICE agents escalated (for a change <rolls eyes>), and this is the end result. Most are under trained and not up to the task. And it shows. Instead of being professional, they're just spoiling for a fight. Doesn't help the mental (and physical) midget Bavino struts around like he's king of the hill. They're a disgrace to law enforcement.
BTW, I think ICE is necessary - just not as jack booted thugs who hide behind face masks.

I'm copying my reply from post #2,228, it seems to cover your post

If they are poorly trained, or if their training does not account for being harassed by suicidal morons, and they are trying to enforce the law and arrest perps, things get out of control and people die.

On MTP this morning Todd Blanche explained that all over the US ICE does their job with no interference from radicals. Only in MN do the pols rile up the crazies to interfere with ICE and end up dead. Why is that? Do the democrats want to keep the Somali fraud cash cow flowing? Do the dems think that illegals will add more democrat votes?

ICE does not kill citizens they don't like, ICE kills in self-defense because crazy radicals interfere with them doing their job, as directed by local politicians. If pols cooperated with ICE like in American cities and states no one would have died. ICE would get criminals from the local jails instead of chasing them around the city.

 

[Marener]

Funny, Obama did the same things and I don't recall mass bed wetting from the left.

That’s a ridiculous lie. You don’t expect anyone to believe that, do you?

 

[XponentialChaos]

How much time elapsed between the revelation of the concealed gun and he first shot?

You already asked that. I said that not much time elapsed because they rushed to murder him when they could have spent more time properly evaluating the situation. They shot first and asked questions later.

Do you advise other mostly peaceful protesters to show up with a concealed gun and high capacity magazines?

I would advise, that if people want to exercise their second amendment, they should probably open carry instead of conceal carry around those incompetent morons that you’re defending.

 

[skye]

 

[IM2]

Ordinary police aren’t not conducting raids on potential cartel members. Ordinary police are not arresting illegals

Ordinary police do those things. ICE has been in operation for years and didn't need masks. Now suddenly they do. I'm sure if Obama or Biden had done this, you would not be making the same excuses. You are supporting totalitarianism. The truth is that you on the right believe in fascism. That's why you guys oppose ANTIFA, which stands for ANTI FACISTS.

 

[j-mac]

Extensive reporting.

Immigration officers around Minneapolis are approaching people and demanding proof that they’re U.S. citizens

U.S. citizens who are out walking or standing in public are not required to provide documentation or provide identification, one legal expert says.

www.nbcnews.com

Not that you care. You’re fine with this. But it does prove this isn’t about finding criminals.

Would you believe something FNC said?

It was a big story this week.

Judge: ICE violated Liberian man’s rights by bursting through front door during arrest | FOX 9 Minneapolis-St. Paul

A federal court judge has ruled that the recent ICE arrest of a Liberian immigrant in Minneapolis violated his constitutional rights, ordering his immediate release.

www.fox9.com

Under appeal.

It’s in your own statement and in the attitude of the agents and leadership. They don’t have to justify anything to anyone. They’ll do what they want to whomever they want.

Don't lie about what I have said, I'm not lying about you....This only shows me that you haven't a leg to stand on....

These thugs have been told they have absolute immunity. What do you expect from people who have been told they have no accountability?

We shall see.

Convenient. You’ll just sit back and wait for the Trump administration to tell you what to think.

No, the CBP, and possibly the courts.

Didn’t stop Stephen Miller and others in the administration from painting Pretti as a terrorist who wanted to kill them.

Lots of hyperbole going around.

It’s on video. It’s not an opinion. It’s a fact.

Nah, it's opinion....I've already covered this.

 

[OODA_Loop]

You already asked that. I said that not much time elapsed because they rushed to murder him when they could have spent more time properly evaluating the situation. They shot first and asked questions later.



I would advise, that if people want to exercise their second amendment, they should probably open carry instead of conceal carry around those incompetent morons that you’re defending.

So the question remains....how much time before revealing the gun and the first shot? How much more time did they have.

Do you recommend open carriers engage direct confrontation with LE?

 

[j-mac]

Ordinary police do those things. ICE has been in operation for years and didn't need masks. Now suddenly they do. I'm sure if Obama or Biden had done this, you would not be making the same excuses. You are supporting totalitarianism. The truth is that you on the right believe in fascism. That's why you guys oppose ANTIFA, which stands for ANTI FACISTS.

Why would you want them unmasked? What's the goal with that?

 

[Oddball]

Bottom line, why approach agents when you are armed?
That is a fatal error.

I want to know what thought process goes into bringing a firearm -regardless of whether you have a CCP- into these "protests".

 

[Delldude]

That’s a ridiculous lie. You don’t expect anyone to believe that, do you?

Are you actually that naive?

'Deporter in Chief'.…...

Expedited removal which Trump copied.

Go scour the Internet and get back to me.