Never Forget: The rabid folks took over in Israel and Egypt assassinated the peacemakers -- Anwar Sadat & Yitzhak Rabin

[Dante]

Jews who live in some areas of Judea and Samaria which might eventually fall within the borders of an emerging State of Palestine are not a roadblock to a positive future. The only roadblock is the ridiculous idea that a Palestinian State be free of Jews. This is not only a ridiculous idea, but an immoral one (ethnic cleansing, anyone?) and a dangerous one (forced segregation and lack of rights for an ethnic group. There's a word for that, isn't there?)

As we are reminded frequently, Jews and Muslims got along fantastically (cough) pre-Zionism, so why can't Jews and Muslims live together peacefully under Muslim rule in a State of Palestine as equal citizens?

Arabs lived in what became Israel. "Ethnic cleansing" Kahanism?

The Palestinian issue is far more complicated than many here want to believe. I have no answers. I believe "Jews and Muslims live together peacefully under Muslim rule in a State of Palestine as equal citizens" at some point in time, but when Israel was established - many Palestinians and others will tell us that they believe Jews and Muslims could not and did not live together peacefully under Muslim rule in a State of Israel as equal citizens.

There are Jews who have been the leading critics of Zionism. They get ad have gotten labelled as "self-hating" -- so quaint and terribly amusing as the "self-hating" label has a history

 

[Dante]

wsj.com
Violent Settlers Turn on Israeli Military After Attacking Palestinians in West Bank
Dov Lieber

Jews who live in some areas of Judea and Samaria which might eventually fall within the borders of an emerging State of Palestine are not a roadblock to a positive future. The only roadblock is the ridiculous idea that a Palestinian State be free of Jews. This is not only a ridiculous idea, but an immoral one (ethnic cleansing, anyone?) and a dangerous one (forced segregation and lack of rights for an ethnic group. There's a word for that, isn't there?)

As we are reminded frequently, Jews and Muslims got along fantastically (cough) pre-Zionism, so why can't Jews and Muslims live together peacefully under Muslim rule in a State of Palestine as equal citizens?

June 30, 2025 10:45 am ET

Israelis from West Bank settlements have attacked Israel’s troops and vandalized military sites in the occupied territory in recent days, after the country’s military took measures to combat assaults on Palestinians.

On Sunday night, a demonstration outside a military installation in the West Bank turned violent with some Israeli civilians attacking security forces, including with pepper spray, the Israeli military said. They also damaged military vehicles and set fire to an electronic installation the army said was used to maintain security in the area.

Video from the scene showed demonstrators holding signs calling a local military commander “a traitor.”

and...

Israeli settlers attack Palestinians and IDF military vehicles in West Bank

Israeli settlers have attacked a military base in the occupied West Bank, setting fires, vandalizing vehicles and clashing with soldiers.

www.pbs.org

 

[Shusha]

wsj.com
Violent Settlers Turn on Israeli Military After Attacking Palestinians in West Bank
Dov Lieber



June 30, 2025 10:45 am ET

Israelis from West Bank settlements have attacked Israel’s troops and vandalized military sites in the occupied territory in recent days, after the country’s military took measures to combat assaults on Palestinians.

On Sunday night, a demonstration outside a military installation in the West Bank turned violent with some Israeli civilians attacking security forces, including with pepper spray, the Israeli military said. They also damaged military vehicles and set fire to an electronic installation the army said was used to maintain security in the area.

Video from the scene showed demonstrators holding signs calling a local military commander “a traitor.”

and...

Israeli settlers attack Palestinians and IDF military vehicles in West Bank

Israeli settlers have attacked a military base in the occupied West Bank, setting fires, vandalizing vehicles and clashing with soldiers.

www.pbs.org

And this relates to my post ... how?

 

[Dante]

And this relates to my post ... how?

If you were capable of following along...

 

[Shusha]

If you were capable of following along...

I was rather hoping to have a more intelligent conversation with some depth. The implication in your post is that Jews must be ethnically cleansed from Judea and Samaria because they are violent and can't be trusted to live peacefully with Arabs. It seems rather the same argument Smotrich, as example, is making about the Arabs in Gaza. I don't find ethnic cleansing an especially moral position to take, regardless of which side is taking it.

 

[Dante]

I was rather hoping to have a more intelligent conversation with some depth. The implication in your post is that Jews must be ethnically cleansed from Judea and Samaria...

Nope, it is not. And your comment is far from being intelligent, let alone having any depth.

 

[Dante]

I don't find ethnic cleansing an especially moral position to take, regardless of which side is taking it.

and?

It's where most people stand -- until they don't. Jews and Zionists along with their friends have long prided themselves on a principle "Never Forget"

I believe we've seen that put in a back pocket for safe keeping to be pulled out later. I now understand Jews who were never supporters of Zionism. I struggled with understanding them -- for decades. I now longer struggle. I weep.

 

[Shusha]

Nope, it is not.

And, see? This is why I ask for clarification.

 

[Shusha]

and?

It's where most people stand -- until they don't. Jews and Zionists along with their friends have long prided themselves on a principle "Never Forget"

I believe we've seen that put in a back pocket for safe keeping to be pulled out later. I now understand Jews who were never supporters of Zionism. I struggled with understanding them -- for decades. I now longer struggle. I weep.

So help a girl out, here. What is your new understanding of Jewish self-determination in the Jewish homeland?

 

[Dante]

So help a girl out, here. What is your new understanding of Jewish self-determination in the Jewish homeland?

I wrote "I now understand Jews who were never supporters of Zionism." I'm not sure why you feel an urge, a need to engage in deflection.

carry on

 

[Zebra]

It is true that - The rabid folks in Israel and Egypt assassinated the peacemakers -- Anwar Sadat & Yitzhak Rabin. Nobody can deny it.

Golda also said there'd be peace in the region when Arab moms loved their kids more than they hated Jews (paraphrasing). She was right -- at one time. But then the rabid folks assassinated the peacemakers -- Anwar Sadat & Yitzhak Rabin

Now there are two groups who are so full of hate, and now they want to drag us all into their shit storms. **** em. **** em all.

Not one American life is worth getting involved.

Rephrasing a paraphrasing of Golda Meir: "There will be peace in the Middle East when Jewish mothers in Israel and the USA love their children more than they hate Muslims/Arabs/Palestinians - paraphrased

TWO STATE SOLUTION. VIVA La Macron!!!

30 years today Rabin was murdered

 

[Dante]

30 years today Rabin was murdered

To think so many Jews and Israeli's celebrated the man's assassination.

 

[Dante]

To think so many Jews and Israeli's celebrated the man's assassination.

Wow! Forgot this one