israel has counted on us? some...
in 1948, the arabs were armed by the soviets. the u.s. and britain said they couldn't get involved and didn't sell weapons to the jewish fighters.
in 1948, when the mandate was divided by the british, the high ground, fortresses and defensible positions were given to the arabs.
israel fought it's own battles, fought it's own wars.
it wasn't until daddy bush asked israel to take SCUD missiles without response that an attack went unpunished by israel.
it wasn't until baby bush asked israel to stop defending itself against hezbollah in lebanon that israel could be perceived as weak and beatable.
it wasn't until baby bush de-stabilized the mid-east by deposing saddam hussein and took away the one counterweight to iran that israel was in danger from a potentially nuclear iran.
so what is all this BS that republicans are good for israel?
words are cheap.
Those talking points of yours make no sense why would Israel have any need to responsed to those scuds? That would be
stupid as the U.S. and its coalition partners annihilated Saddam HusseinÂ’s forces, what would be the point of a response from Israel? As far as Shimon PeresÂ’s liberal weak response to Hezbollah that was on him, he was unprepared as libs usually are. Saddam Husain helped Israel?
ThatÂ’s a good one Israelis know who their friends are, and it isn't liberal Americans or liberal Israelis who were prepared to give away half the country that's a fact
But, wait, there's more. jillian's operating under the idea, advanced by liberals when criticizing Bush, that the former regime in Iraq served as a stabilizing bulwark against Iran. (The other complaint of liberals is that we used Iraq as a stabilizing bulwark against Iran.) In my opinion, our past associations with Hussein's regime as the supposed lesser of two evils only served to corrupt American foreign policy.
Hell, it threatened Israel, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Kuwait . . . just like the present regime of Iran. But wait it minute, it was a Democrat, Jimmy Carter, that pushed out a friendly regime in Iran and heralded in the rabidly anti-American regime that assaulted our embassy and held American hostages all those many days. No. We have Carter to thank for the current Iranian regime. The Israeli, Saudi Arabian, Egyptian and Jordanian governments of the time, as well as American conservatives, pleaded with Carter to not do what he did.
But jillian blames Bush II! As if Bush I could have stood by and allowed Hussein to remain in Kuwait and then turn on Saudi Arabia as was Hussein's original intent. Stability? LOL! And then once we were there, we were supposed to stay there forever? Bush I rightly said, "No!" Hussein had to go. Bush I should have taken him out the first time.
And what is this nonsense about Bush II pressuring Israel to not defend itself against Hezbollah? Bush II was the most adamantly pro-Israeli American president in history. The only thing Bush II did was to encourage Israel to proceed with caution in official pronouncements. Diplomatic speak. Everybody knew, except for jillian, apparently, that those remarks were for public consumption. Bush II made it clear in both backdoor communiqués and in semi-official comments, those made in interviews, that he would not criticize Israel for doing whatever it considered necessary. Green light. The leftist MSM understood that, and they didn't like it.
Here's a little flashback in the face of jillian's historical revisionism:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/02/world/americas/02iht-bush.2363483.html?_r=0
Moreover (LOL!), Israel sure as hell did defend itself, with Bush II's blessings, in a two-front offensive against Hezbollah in Lebanon and against Hamas in so-called Palestine in that little flare up. Things eventually cooled down after Israeli forces stalled, and Bush II, once again via backdoor communiqués, let Syria know that it was about five-minutes-to-twelve-o'clock away from facing direct American intervention from the air if it didn't successfully encourage Hezbollah in Lebanon to come to terms, Iran's opinion on the matter be damned. Assad believed Bush. Got the message. Just like Gadaffi got the message, turned over his WMDs and swore off the support of terrorist activities in Israel. Bush wasn't bluffing.
jillian doesn't know what the hell she's talking about. She either makes this shit up as she goes along or gets all her information from leftists rags. On the other hand, this Army Ranger, retired, followed that conflict with a great deal of interest from a wide range of sources, including inside sources supplied by old associates.
Also the main reason Bush I asked the Israelis to let us deal with the SCUDs in the first Persian Gulf War was so that Saudi Arabia with its indispensable jumping off point of attack could save face, more at the stability of the Muslim streets in the Islamic world. It was the smart geopolitical thing to do. Israel understood that, and Saudi Arabia was grateful for it. After all, Israel was in no position to exact anything like the vengeance we exacted for those SCUD attacks. Indeed, jillian's point is . . . well, rather pointless.
Finally, this cannot be reiterated too much: it was Bush II who put an end to the incessant pressure for Israel to give up vital strategic ground. jillian's prattle about SCUDS and passivism are not only fantasies, but have absolutely nothing to do with the price of beans in China. Bush I and especially Clinton pushed the paradigm of concession that yielded nothing but a better armed and strategically positioned foe, more determined to destroy Israel than ever before. It is for this reason, more than any other, that relations between the current American president and the Israeli prime minister are strained. Israel is never going back to the pre-Bush II paradigm. It won't. It can't. And that arrogant SOB in the White House is just too stupid or indifferent to Israel's plight to get it. No doubt, in his mind, Israel is being uppity.
I loath Obama.
Great post, all true, and that’s exactly what she does. She soaks up the leftist talking points then regurgitates them as her own..Sad. I owe you multiple reps for this post. She won’t come back at you because she can’t. She’ll drop out of the thread as she always does or ignore your post. There was a time when Jillian would acknowledge the fact that conservatives were pro-Israel. that was their strong point she would say, no more.
