Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

[Phoenall]

Netanyahu's aim is to paint the Palestinians as the living heritage of Hitler and prevent any meaningful diplomatic initiative, much less a state - that is clearly supported by other statements he has made on Arab Israeli voters, and on how he will never allow a state for them.

And he is partly correct in this as islam is the mother and father of Nazism, it is the founding of Nazism as shown by the koran, hadiths and sharia laws

No, it isn't. That's just more hate mongering and avoiding responsibility for genocide. Nazism sprang out of European anti-semitism, eugenics and ideals of racial "superiority" and "purity".

No that was German national socialism which was based on islam and the koran . I advise you to read them and see just how close they are to what the Germans preached in the 1930's

 

[Coyote]

Netanyahu's aim is to paint the Palestinians as the living heritage of Hitler and prevent any meaningful diplomatic initiative, much less a state - that is clearly supported by other statements he has made on Arab Israeli voters, and on how he will never allow a state for them.

They're painting themselves as well.
You must have missed the current "Kill the Jews" fest.

Actually...I kind of see why, from their perspective:
they are living under an unending occupation
they have few rights and little say about the conditions in which they live
they have no state or citizenship and are at the complete mercy of the occupying power
they see their children being killed (and whether the percpetion is accurate or not, that is how they are seeing it)
from Netanyahu's own mouth they know they will never gain a state or any kind of equality (makes me wonder how Arab non-Jewish Israeli's feel, hearing his fear-mongering tactics).
They are stuck with corrupt unaccountable leadership (when was the last election?)
They see no path to a future that is liveable.
What have they to lose?

Where I am sympathetic to the average Israeli's fears now, with these attacks coming out of nowhere, that sympathy is tempered by Netanyahu's words and actions in fanning flames, fear, and hatred in a deliberate manner.

 

[Coyote]

,
You don't seem to comprehend what I wrote. Are you an idiot?

I'm talking about Palestinians killing Jews and Jews killing Palestinians. This is occurring. When the people being targeted are innocent, it's usually called "murder".

The Palestinians are the murderers as the Jews are retaliating to the existential threat of being murders by Palestinians. If Black September announced that African Americans would be killing random white Americans you could bet that the rate of black American deaths would go through the roof. And the lawyers would use the threat as the reason for the deaths and that is why they were all self defence. The same applies to Jerusalem and the deaths of Palestinians are self defence because the threat has been made

That makes no sense. Murder is murder. When you killed a person who is not threatening you - it's murder.

Since Abu Mazen made the threat 2 weeks ago then every Palestinian became a possible murderer. So the threat is there no matter how hard you try and hide it.

No one is absolving Abbas of stirring the flames, but Netanyahu gets a free pass.

Now every Jew becomes a potential murderer since Netanyahu told them to take up arms.

So where is this going to go? Who's going to act the part of statesman and calm fears?

Not Bibi. Not Abu Mazen.

And it all started with Abu Mazen calling for the Palestinians to take up arms and kill the Jews, don't forget that when the real fighting starts. Once again the Palestinians are eager for a fight and don't care how many innocents they kill in the process.

It doesn't matter where it started. Netanyahu is the PM of a nation that consists of multiple ethnic and religious groups. His duty to his citizens is to keep things as calm and secure as he can rather than pitting them against each other.

 

[Phoenall]

...and yet still no-one can adequately answer the question, if Zionist Israel was prepared to spend time and resources hunting down Eichmann across the other side of the world 1000 miles away, why they never bothered to bring the Mufti to trial, who lived out his life peacefully in Beirut only 100miles away?

Because the allies were not prepared to try him for war crimes. Where he was he was protected and he could not of been spirited away. To all intents and purposes the allies were keeping him safe from harm. His home was considered a refugee camp by the UN and so they gave himn round the clock armed protection.

 

[Penelope]

Really Bibi? Really? I'm sure this is going to go a long ways towards calming the situation - something no one in a leadership position seems to be doing!

Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

Learn some history CAIR girl

From the OP...in case you missed it:

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...​

Hitler was talking about a "Final Solution" in Mein Kampf.

Well as we are aware there are several versions of Mein Kampf out:

What I read is he originally wanted to ship families out together, as a family unit, and the final solution would be individuals will be sent out, splitting families up just to get them out.

Did you actually read him discussing genocide as a final solution?

Hitler was very clear that he wanted the "destruction of the Jewish race" - most people would consider that threats of genocide, and he certainly acted on it. Please don't try to white wash him.

Prove it. and not with Jewish writings. He did not like Jews, no one did and no one wanted them in their country, but there is not a shred of evidence he wanted to kill them all. None and most of the Jew WWII stories are false and made up. Hey lots of money is riding on the fake planned genocide story, but your thread is now about how the muffi was really the cause of Hitler was not. Shows how much Bibi believe in the big hoax, and now blaming it on the Palestinians, what a nightmare. Hey , the Hebrews change their story like the wind.

Anyway its proof positive like you said, that Bibi wants riots and fighting to justify their own slow genocide.

 

[Sallow]

Netanyahu's aim is to paint the Palestinians as the living heritage of Hitler and prevent any meaningful diplomatic initiative, much less a state - that is clearly supported by other statements he has made on Arab Israeli voters, and on how he will never allow a state for them.

And he is partly correct in this as islam is the mother and father of Nazism, it is the founding of Nazism as shown by the koran, hadiths and sharia laws

No, it isn't. That's just more hate mongering and avoiding responsibility for genocide. Nazism sprang out of European anti-semitism, eugenics and ideals of racial "superiority" and "purity".

No that was German national socialism which was based on islam and the koran . I advise you to read them and see just how close they are to what the Germans preached in the 1930's

No. Actually it was based on Christianity and the Christian faith.

This is not the first time the Christians tried to purge Europe of Jews. They've been at it for a very long time.

 

[fanger]

Netanyahu's aim is to paint the Palestinians as the living heritage of Hitler and prevent any meaningful diplomatic initiative, much less a state - that is clearly supported by other statements he has made on Arab Israeli voters, and on how he will never allow a state for them.

And he is partly correct in this as islam is the mother and father of Nazism, it is the founding of Nazism as shown by the koran, hadiths and sharia laws

No, it isn't. That's just more hate mongering and avoiding responsibility for genocide. Nazism sprang out of European anti-semitism, eugenics and ideals of racial "superiority" and "purity".

No that was German national socialism which was based on islam and the koran . I advise you to read them and see just how close they are to what the Germans preached in the 1930's

No. Actually it was based on Christianity and the Christian faith.

This is not the first time the Christians tried to purge Europe of Jews. They've been at it for a very long time.

I wonder why?

 

[Sallow]

Learn some history CAIR girl

From the OP...in case you missed it:

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...​

Hitler was talking about a "Final Solution" in Mein Kampf.

Well as we are aware there are several versions of Mein Kampf out:

What I read is he originally wanted to ship families out together, as a family unit, and the final solution would be individuals will be sent out, splitting families up just to get them out.

Did you actually read him discussing genocide as a final solution?

Hitler was very clear that he wanted the "destruction of the Jewish race" - most people would consider that threats of genocide, and he certainly acted on it. Please don't try to white wash him.

Prove it. and not with Jewish writings. He did not like Jews, no one did and no one wanted them in their country, but there is not a shred of evidence he wanted to kill them all. None and most of the Jew WWII stories are false and made up. Hey lots of money is riding on the fake planned genocide story, but your thread is now about how the muffi was really the cause of Hitler was not. Shows how much Bibi believe in the big hoax, and now blaming it on the Palestinians, what a nightmare. Hey , the Hebrews change their story like the wind.

Anyway its proof positive like you said, that Bibi wants riots and fighting to justify their own slow genocide.

Prove what?

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

 

[aris2chat]

Yet the mufti was convicted for his part in the holocaust, so why is Netanyahu off base? The mufti was paid in gold to carry on the extermination of jews.

Hitlers own speech after the '41 meeting with the mufti call for the elimination of jews and their agreement on the subject.

............but Netanyahu is the liar?

Here are Netanyahu's words:

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said,

.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Lie or truth?

Hitler came out the meeting with the mufti and spoke of the agreement to eliminate the jews. With in moths the formal plan was laid out and implemented.

So hitler lied about the agreement with the mufti in '41?

How was Netanyhu wrong about the mufti's concerns regarding the jews being deported and going to Israel or wanting hitler to burn them?

This is what he said:

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said,

.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"
​

From the article I quoted earlier in this thread:

But the book says that the mufti “met Hitler in person for the first time” on Nov. 28, 1941 — two months before the Final Solution was formalized and the construction of extermination camps accelerated, according to historians, but after the mass murder of Jews had begun, and roughly one million had perished.

Professor Zimmermann, the Hebrew University historian, said on Israel Radio that Mr. Netanyahu was “doing something he must not do,” and that in “the protocol” of the 1941 meeting between the mufti and Hitler, “the text that Netanyahu speaks of does not appear.”

“He moves the responsibility of the Holocaust, for the destruction of the Jews, to the mufti and the Arab world,” Professor Zimmermann said. “This is a trick intended to stain the Arabs of today because of the Arabs of the past. To pile on the Arabs of the past by easing up on the Germans of the past.”

Professor Litvak of Tel Aviv University said the speech was “the height of the distortion of history.”

“Hitler did not need Husseini to convince him.” he said on Army Radio. “Hitler spoke of the destruction of the Jews in his famous speech in 1939, in which he prophesied that if war will break out and the Jews started it, the result will be the destruction of the Jewish race. He repeated these declarations.”
​

1. Hitler's genocide of the Jews had been rationalized and started well before he met with the Mufti, according to historians quoted - one million had already perished by then and Hitler had spoke about the destruction of the Jewish race in 1939.
2. There is no historic record for the quote Netanyahu claims the Mufti made.

So yes, I would say Netanyahu's statements were lies. What else would you call them?

before WWII, hitler did was willing to expel the jews and after the '41 face ti face with the mufti hitler was ready to draw up plans for the final solution. It coincides with mufti's visit and was stated by hitler after the meeting.

What is happening today is a carry over of the hate and violence the mufti created.

Netanyahu Wrong About Hitler, Right About Palestinian Mufti

The holocaust was for the two of them a mutual necessity

There is no evidence that that came out of his meeting with the Mufti and the quote Netanyahu claims can not be authenticated by historians. The Mufti was a minor figure to Hitler, not the architect of his final solution. Hitler was already killing Jews before he met the Mufti - in 1940 he was slaughtering Jews in Poland.

The claim that he just wanted to expel them is partially true, when his sites were set on Germany only but he had already turned to his final solution before the Mufti.

If the Mufti gave him the idea - where is the evidence - documents of the meeting don't show it.

Not the extermination in the camps of jewish prisoners. That was not begun till late Dec of '41 and Jan of '42.

The Einsatzgruppen task force in Poland were shooting jews and gypsies but that was not the mass extermination of jews in the prison camps throughout nazi Europe. It preceded the final solution it was not "the" final solution.

By then then WWII had started and the jews were not allowed to leave.

Did you read any of the sites, books and documents suggested on this thread about the mufti?

Mufti was not just an ornament for the nazis. He had a driving cause.

Both of them were vicious killers, no one should white wash them. Mufti carried on even after Hitler was gone. He fed much of the hate that is so prevalent in the middle east against the jews. Mufti wanted to carry on the "extermination". You think his influence was not felt well before and during black September or the civil war in Lebanon? You think he was not a banner for every war against Israel? You think he was not widely responsible for the sale of htler's book in the region?

Mufti and hitler were two peas on the pot were the jews were concerned after the beginning of WWII. They are both guilty of the holocaust.

That legacy is still being carried on

 

[Sallow]

Netanyahu's aim is to paint the Palestinians as the living heritage of Hitler and prevent any meaningful diplomatic initiative, much less a state - that is clearly supported by other statements he has made on Arab Israeli voters, and on how he will never allow a state for them.

And he is partly correct in this as islam is the mother and father of Nazism, it is the founding of Nazism as shown by the koran, hadiths and sharia laws

No, it isn't. That's just more hate mongering and avoiding responsibility for genocide. Nazism sprang out of European anti-semitism, eugenics and ideals of racial "superiority" and "purity".

No that was German national socialism which was based on islam and the koran . I advise you to read them and see just how close they are to what the Germans preached in the 1930's

No. Actually it was based on Christianity and the Christian faith.

This is not the first time the Christians tried to purge Europe of Jews. They've been at it for a very long time.

I wonder why?

Christianity is an extremely intolerant religion.

 

[Sallow]

Here are Netanyahu's words:

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said,

.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Lie or truth?

Hitler came out the meeting with the mufti and spoke of the agreement to eliminate the jews. With in moths the formal plan was laid out and implemented.

So hitler lied about the agreement with the mufti in '41?

How was Netanyhu wrong about the mufti's concerns regarding the jews being deported and going to Israel or wanting hitler to burn them?

This is what he said:

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said,

.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"
​

From the article I quoted earlier in this thread:

But the book says that the mufti “met Hitler in person for the first time” on Nov. 28, 1941 — two months before the Final Solution was formalized and the construction of extermination camps accelerated, according to historians, but after the mass murder of Jews had begun, and roughly one million had perished.

Professor Zimmermann, the Hebrew University historian, said on Israel Radio that Mr. Netanyahu was “doing something he must not do,” and that in “the protocol” of the 1941 meeting between the mufti and Hitler, “the text that Netanyahu speaks of does not appear.”

“He moves the responsibility of the Holocaust, for the destruction of the Jews, to the mufti and the Arab world,” Professor Zimmermann said. “This is a trick intended to stain the Arabs of today because of the Arabs of the past. To pile on the Arabs of the past by easing up on the Germans of the past.”

Professor Litvak of Tel Aviv University said the speech was “the height of the distortion of history.”

“Hitler did not need Husseini to convince him.” he said on Army Radio. “Hitler spoke of the destruction of the Jews in his famous speech in 1939, in which he prophesied that if war will break out and the Jews started it, the result will be the destruction of the Jewish race. He repeated these declarations.”
​

1. Hitler's genocide of the Jews had been rationalized and started well before he met with the Mufti, according to historians quoted - one million had already perished by then and Hitler had spoke about the destruction of the Jewish race in 1939.
2. There is no historic record for the quote Netanyahu claims the Mufti made.

So yes, I would say Netanyahu's statements were lies. What else would you call them?

before WWII, hitler did was willing to expel the jews and after the '41 face ti face with the mufti hitler was ready to draw up plans for the final solution. It coincides with mufti's visit and was stated by hitler after the meeting.

What is happening today is a carry over of the hate and violence the mufti created.

Netanyahu Wrong About Hitler, Right About Palestinian Mufti

The holocaust was for the two of them a mutual necessity

There is no evidence that that came out of his meeting with the Mufti and the quote Netanyahu claims can not be authenticated by historians. The Mufti was a minor figure to Hitler, not the architect of his final solution. Hitler was already killing Jews before he met the Mufti - in 1940 he was slaughtering Jews in Poland.

The claim that he just wanted to expel them is partially true, when his sites were set on Germany only but he had already turned to his final solution before the Mufti.

If the Mufti gave him the idea - where is the evidence - documents of the meeting don't show it.

Not the extermination in the camps of jewish prisoners. That was not begun till late Dec of '41 and Jan of '42.

The Einsatzgruppen task force in Poland were shooting jews and gypsies but that was not the mass extermination of jews in the prison camps throughout nazi Europe. It preceded the final solution it was not "the" final solution.

By then then WWII had started and the jews were not allowed to leave.

Did you read any of the sites, books and documents suggested on this thread about the mufti?

Mufti was not just an ornament for the nazis. He had a driving cause.

Both of them were vicious killers, no one should white wash them. Mufti carried on even after Hitler was gone. He fed much of the hate that is so prevalent in the middle east against the jews. Mufti wanted to carry on the "extermination". You think his influence was not felt well before and during black September or the civil war in Lebanon? You think he was not a banner for every war against Israel? You think he was not widely responsible for the sale of htler's book in the region?

Mufti and hitler were two peas on the pot were the jews were concerned after the beginning of WWII. They are both guilty of the holocaust.

That legacy is still being carried on

Bullshit

 

[aris2chat]

From the OP...in case you missed it:

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...​

Hitler was talking about a "Final Solution" in Mein Kampf.

Well as we are aware there are several versions of Mein Kampf out:

What I read is he originally wanted to ship families out together, as a family unit, and the final solution would be individuals will be sent out, splitting families up just to get them out.

Did you actually read him discussing genocide as a final solution?

Hitler was very clear that he wanted the "destruction of the Jewish race" - most people would consider that threats of genocide, and he certainly acted on it. Please don't try to white wash him.

Prove it. and not with Jewish writings. He did not like Jews, no one did and no one wanted them in their country, but there is not a shred of evidence he wanted to kill them all. None and most of the Jew WWII stories are false and made up. Hey lots of money is riding on the fake planned genocide story, but your thread is now about how the muffi was really the cause of Hitler was not. Shows how much Bibi believe in the big hoax, and now blaming it on the Palestinians, what a nightmare. Hey , the Hebrews change their story like the wind.

Anyway its proof positive like you said, that Bibi wants riots and fighting to justify their own slow genocide.

Prove what?

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

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hitler used a lot of imagery and justification, including christianity, occultism, paganism, mythology and nationalism. He was a master manipulator and orator.

 

[aris2chat]

Hitler came out the meeting with the mufti and spoke of the agreement to eliminate the jews. With in moths the formal plan was laid out and implemented.

So hitler lied about the agreement with the mufti in '41?

How was Netanyhu wrong about the mufti's concerns regarding the jews being deported and going to Israel or wanting hitler to burn them?

This is what he said:

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said,

.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"
​

From the article I quoted earlier in this thread:

But the book says that the mufti “met Hitler in person for the first time” on Nov. 28, 1941 — two months before the Final Solution was formalized and the construction of extermination camps accelerated, according to historians, but after the mass murder of Jews had begun, and roughly one million had perished.

Professor Zimmermann, the Hebrew University historian, said on Israel Radio that Mr. Netanyahu was “doing something he must not do,” and that in “the protocol” of the 1941 meeting between the mufti and Hitler, “the text that Netanyahu speaks of does not appear.”

“He moves the responsibility of the Holocaust, for the destruction of the Jews, to the mufti and the Arab world,” Professor Zimmermann said. “This is a trick intended to stain the Arabs of today because of the Arabs of the past. To pile on the Arabs of the past by easing up on the Germans of the past.”

Professor Litvak of Tel Aviv University said the speech was “the height of the distortion of history.”

“Hitler did not need Husseini to convince him.” he said on Army Radio. “Hitler spoke of the destruction of the Jews in his famous speech in 1939, in which he prophesied that if war will break out and the Jews started it, the result will be the destruction of the Jewish race. He repeated these declarations.”
​

1. Hitler's genocide of the Jews had been rationalized and started well before he met with the Mufti, according to historians quoted - one million had already perished by then and Hitler had spoke about the destruction of the Jewish race in 1939.
2. There is no historic record for the quote Netanyahu claims the Mufti made.

So yes, I would say Netanyahu's statements were lies. What else would you call them?

before WWII, hitler did was willing to expel the jews and after the '41 face ti face with the mufti hitler was ready to draw up plans for the final solution. It coincides with mufti's visit and was stated by hitler after the meeting.

What is happening today is a carry over of the hate and violence the mufti created.

Netanyahu Wrong About Hitler, Right About Palestinian Mufti

The holocaust was for the two of them a mutual necessity

There is no evidence that that came out of his meeting with the Mufti and the quote Netanyahu claims can not be authenticated by historians. The Mufti was a minor figure to Hitler, not the architect of his final solution. Hitler was already killing Jews before he met the Mufti - in 1940 he was slaughtering Jews in Poland.

The claim that he just wanted to expel them is partially true, when his sites were set on Germany only but he had already turned to his final solution before the Mufti.

If the Mufti gave him the idea - where is the evidence - documents of the meeting don't show it.

Not the extermination in the camps of jewish prisoners. That was not begun till late Dec of '41 and Jan of '42.

The Einsatzgruppen task force in Poland were shooting jews and gypsies but that was not the mass extermination of jews in the prison camps throughout nazi Europe. It preceded the final solution it was not "the" final solution.

By then then WWII had started and the jews were not allowed to leave.

Did you read any of the sites, books and documents suggested on this thread about the mufti?

Mufti was not just an ornament for the nazis. He had a driving cause.

Both of them were vicious killers, no one should white wash them. Mufti carried on even after Hitler was gone. He fed much of the hate that is so prevalent in the middle east against the jews. Mufti wanted to carry on the "extermination". You think his influence was not felt well before and during black September or the civil war in Lebanon? You think he was not a banner for every war against Israel? You think he was not widely responsible for the sale of htler's book in the region?

Mufti and hitler were two peas on the pot were the jews were concerned after the beginning of WWII. They are both guilty of the holocaust.

That legacy is still being carried on

Bullshit

Littering is illegal in most places. Please clean up after yourself.............and try something for the gas.

 

[Sallow]

Hitler was talking about a "Final Solution" in Mein Kampf.

Well as we are aware there are several versions of Mein Kampf out:

What I read is he originally wanted to ship families out together, as a family unit, and the final solution would be individuals will be sent out, splitting families up just to get them out.

Did you actually read him discussing genocide as a final solution?

Hitler was very clear that he wanted the "destruction of the Jewish race" - most people would consider that threats of genocide, and he certainly acted on it. Please don't try to white wash him.

Prove it. and not with Jewish writings. He did not like Jews, no one did and no one wanted them in their country, but there is not a shred of evidence he wanted to kill them all. None and most of the Jew WWII stories are false and made up. Hey lots of money is riding on the fake planned genocide story, but your thread is now about how the muffi was really the cause of Hitler was not. Shows how much Bibi believe in the big hoax, and now blaming it on the Palestinians, what a nightmare. Hey , the Hebrews change their story like the wind.

Anyway its proof positive like you said, that Bibi wants riots and fighting to justify their own slow genocide.

Prove what?

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

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hitler used a lot of imagery and justification, including christianity, occultism, paganism, mythology and nationalism. He was a master manipulator and orator.

Were the Crusaders, "master manipulators"?

How about those in the Spanish Inquisition? Master Manipulators, as well?


Martin Luther - "The Jews & Their Lies" | Jewish Virtual Library

 

[montelatici]

Here are Netanyahu's words:

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said,

.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Lie or truth?

Hitler came out the meeting with the mufti and spoke of the agreement to eliminate the jews. With in moths the formal plan was laid out and implemented.

So hitler lied about the agreement with the mufti in '41?

How was Netanyhu wrong about the mufti's concerns regarding the jews being deported and going to Israel or wanting hitler to burn them?

This is what he said:

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said,

.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"
​

From the article I quoted earlier in this thread:

But the book says that the mufti “met Hitler in person for the first time” on Nov. 28, 1941 — two months before the Final Solution was formalized and the construction of extermination camps accelerated, according to historians, but after the mass murder of Jews had begun, and roughly one million had perished.

Professor Zimmermann, the Hebrew University historian, said on Israel Radio that Mr. Netanyahu was “doing something he must not do,” and that in “the protocol” of the 1941 meeting between the mufti and Hitler, “the text that Netanyahu speaks of does not appear.”

“He moves the responsibility of the Holocaust, for the destruction of the Jews, to the mufti and the Arab world,” Professor Zimmermann said. “This is a trick intended to stain the Arabs of today because of the Arabs of the past. To pile on the Arabs of the past by easing up on the Germans of the past.”

Professor Litvak of Tel Aviv University said the speech was “the height of the distortion of history.”

“Hitler did not need Husseini to convince him.” he said on Army Radio. “Hitler spoke of the destruction of the Jews in his famous speech in 1939, in which he prophesied that if war will break out and the Jews started it, the result will be the destruction of the Jewish race. He repeated these declarations.”
​

1. Hitler's genocide of the Jews had been rationalized and started well before he met with the Mufti, according to historians quoted - one million had already perished by then and Hitler had spoke about the destruction of the Jewish race in 1939.
2. There is no historic record for the quote Netanyahu claims the Mufti made.

So yes, I would say Netanyahu's statements were lies. What else would you call them?

before WWII, hitler did was willing to expel the jews and after the '41 face ti face with the mufti hitler was ready to draw up plans for the final solution. It coincides with mufti's visit and was stated by hitler after the meeting.

What is happening today is a carry over of the hate and violence the mufti created.

Netanyahu Wrong About Hitler, Right About Palestinian Mufti

The holocaust was for the two of them a mutual necessity

There is no evidence that that came out of his meeting with the Mufti and the quote Netanyahu claims can not be authenticated by historians. The Mufti was a minor figure to Hitler, not the architect of his final solution. Hitler was already killing Jews before he met the Mufti - in 1940 he was slaughtering Jews in Poland.

The claim that he just wanted to expel them is partially true, when his sites were set on Germany only but he had already turned to his final solution before the Mufti.

If the Mufti gave him the idea - where is the evidence - documents of the meeting don't show it.

Not the extermination in the camps of jewish prisoners. That was not begun till late Dec of '41 and Jan of '42.

The Einsatzgruppen task force in Poland were shooting jews and gypsies but that was not the mass extermination of jews in the prison camps throughout nazi Europe. It preceded the final solution it was not "the" final solution.

By then then WWII had started and the jews were not allowed to leave.

Did you read any of the sites, books and documents suggested on this thread about the mufti?

Mufti was not just an ornament for the nazis. He had a driving cause.

Both of them were vicious killers, no one should white wash them. Mufti carried on even after Hitler was gone. He fed much of the hate that is so prevalent in the middle east against the jews. Mufti wanted to carry on the "extermination". You think his influence was not felt well before and during black September or the civil war in Lebanon? You think he was not a banner for every war against Israel? You think he was not widely responsible for the sale of htler's book in the region?

Mufti and hitler were two peas on the pot were the jews were concerned after the beginning of WWII. They are both guilty of the holocaust.

That legacy is still being carried on

You are lying propagandist. The only ones carrying on the legacy of the Nazis are the Zionists, with their outdoor prison/concentration camps where they periodically perform mass killings of the people they are oppressing.

 

[Sallow]

This is what he said:

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said,

.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"
​

From the article I quoted earlier in this thread:

But the book says that the mufti “met Hitler in person for the first time” on Nov. 28, 1941 — two months before the Final Solution was formalized and the construction of extermination camps accelerated, according to historians, but after the mass murder of Jews had begun, and roughly one million had perished.

Professor Zimmermann, the Hebrew University historian, said on Israel Radio that Mr. Netanyahu was “doing something he must not do,” and that in “the protocol” of the 1941 meeting between the mufti and Hitler, “the text that Netanyahu speaks of does not appear.”

“He moves the responsibility of the Holocaust, for the destruction of the Jews, to the mufti and the Arab world,” Professor Zimmermann said. “This is a trick intended to stain the Arabs of today because of the Arabs of the past. To pile on the Arabs of the past by easing up on the Germans of the past.”

Professor Litvak of Tel Aviv University said the speech was “the height of the distortion of history.”

“Hitler did not need Husseini to convince him.” he said on Army Radio. “Hitler spoke of the destruction of the Jews in his famous speech in 1939, in which he prophesied that if war will break out and the Jews started it, the result will be the destruction of the Jewish race. He repeated these declarations.”
​

1. Hitler's genocide of the Jews had been rationalized and started well before he met with the Mufti, according to historians quoted - one million had already perished by then and Hitler had spoke about the destruction of the Jewish race in 1939.
2. There is no historic record for the quote Netanyahu claims the Mufti made.

So yes, I would say Netanyahu's statements were lies. What else would you call them?

before WWII, hitler did was willing to expel the jews and after the '41 face ti face with the mufti hitler was ready to draw up plans for the final solution. It coincides with mufti's visit and was stated by hitler after the meeting.

What is happening today is a carry over of the hate and violence the mufti created.

Netanyahu Wrong About Hitler, Right About Palestinian Mufti

The holocaust was for the two of them a mutual necessity

There is no evidence that that came out of his meeting with the Mufti and the quote Netanyahu claims can not be authenticated by historians. The Mufti was a minor figure to Hitler, not the architect of his final solution. Hitler was already killing Jews before he met the Mufti - in 1940 he was slaughtering Jews in Poland.

The claim that he just wanted to expel them is partially true, when his sites were set on Germany only but he had already turned to his final solution before the Mufti.

If the Mufti gave him the idea - where is the evidence - documents of the meeting don't show it.

Not the extermination in the camps of jewish prisoners. That was not begun till late Dec of '41 and Jan of '42.

The Einsatzgruppen task force in Poland were shooting jews and gypsies but that was not the mass extermination of jews in the prison camps throughout nazi Europe. It preceded the final solution it was not "the" final solution.

By then then WWII had started and the jews were not allowed to leave.

Did you read any of the sites, books and documents suggested on this thread about the mufti?

Mufti was not just an ornament for the nazis. He had a driving cause.

Both of them were vicious killers, no one should white wash them. Mufti carried on even after Hitler was gone. He fed much of the hate that is so prevalent in the middle east against the jews. Mufti wanted to carry on the "extermination". You think his influence was not felt well before and during black September or the civil war in Lebanon? You think he was not a banner for every war against Israel? You think he was not widely responsible for the sale of htler's book in the region?

Mufti and hitler were two peas on the pot were the jews were concerned after the beginning of WWII. They are both guilty of the holocaust.

That legacy is still being carried on

Bullshit

Littering is illegal in most places. Please clean up after yourself.............and try something for the gas.

Onward Christian Soldiers!

 

[Sallow]

Go Christ!

 

[Sallow]

Praise the lord and pass the ammunition!

 

[aris2chat]

Well as we are aware there are several versions of Mein Kampf out:

What I read is he originally wanted to ship families out together, as a family unit, and the final solution would be individuals will be sent out, splitting families up just to get them out.

Did you actually read him discussing genocide as a final solution?

Hitler was very clear that he wanted the "destruction of the Jewish race" - most people would consider that threats of genocide, and he certainly acted on it. Please don't try to white wash him.

Prove it. and not with Jewish writings. He did not like Jews, no one did and no one wanted them in their country, but there is not a shred of evidence he wanted to kill them all. None and most of the Jew WWII stories are false and made up. Hey lots of money is riding on the fake planned genocide story, but your thread is now about how the muffi was really the cause of Hitler was not. Shows how much Bibi believe in the big hoax, and now blaming it on the Palestinians, what a nightmare. Hey , the Hebrews change their story like the wind.

Anyway its proof positive like you said, that Bibi wants riots and fighting to justify their own slow genocide.

Prove what?

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

View attachment 53180

hitler used a lot of imagery and justification, including christianity, occultism, paganism, mythology and nationalism. He was a master manipulator and orator.

Where the Crusaders, "master manipulators"?

How about those in the Spanish Inquisition? Master Manipulators, as well?


Martin Luther - "The Jews & Their Lies" | Jewish Virtual Library

The inquisition attacks almost any one that did not tow the "approved" line. Anyone could be brought before the Inquisitors for just about any reason. They were seeking to extermination all other beliefs, including other types of Christians.

They manipulated confessions and punishments.

Inquisition did not use other mythology to advance their cause, they attacked it, they tried to wipe it out

around a quater of a million people were brought up for judgement. The plague was also during the same period and contributed to many accusations. The second plague took out half the population in Europe

 

[Penelope]

From the OP...in case you missed it:

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...​

Hitler was talking about a "Final Solution" in Mein Kampf.

Well as we are aware there are several versions of Mein Kampf out:

What I read is he originally wanted to ship families out together, as a family unit, and the final solution would be individuals will be sent out, splitting families up just to get them out.

Did you actually read him discussing genocide as a final solution?

Hitler was very clear that he wanted the "destruction of the Jewish race" - most people would consider that threats of genocide, and he certainly acted on it. Please don't try to white wash him.

Prove it. and not with Jewish writings. He did not like Jews, no one did and no one wanted them in their country, but there is not a shred of evidence he wanted to kill them all. None and most of the Jew WWII stories are false and made up. Hey lots of money is riding on the fake planned genocide story, but your thread is now about how the muffi was really the cause of Hitler was not. Shows how much Bibi believe in the big hoax, and now blaming it on the Palestinians, what a nightmare. Hey , the Hebrews change their story like the wind.

Anyway its proof positive like you said, that Bibi wants riots and fighting to justify their own slow genocide.

Prove what?

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

View attachment 53180

I never said he liked the Jews, but prove he planned on mass genocide of them. He wanted rid of them no doubt, as most countries did.