Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

[Phoenall]

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No; that's not what you do.
But he still currently has to deal with a million potential Arab Serial Killers.

He has to deal with a very tense situation where Israeli Jews are afraid of Arab attackers and Israeli Arabs are afraid of Jewish retaliation. BOTH are Israeli citizens. At this point - stoking fear and inflaming tensions with statements like that is sheer irresponsibility.

Mathematically, you have stated "Israeli Jews are afraid of Arab attackers and Israeli Arabs are afraid of Jewish retaliation" in the correct order.
Morally, you are equating retaliation with deliberate murder.
You've got to be kidding yourself.

Murder is murder, and if you disguise it as "retaliation" it is no less murder when innocent people are killed.

Bullshit.
Muslims are murdering humans all over the globe.
One Jew says something and you equate that with murder.
Are you an idiot?

You don't seem to comprehend what I wrote. Are you an idiot?

I'm talking about Palestinians killing Jews and Jews killing Palestinians. This is occurring. When the people being targeted are innocent, it's usually called "murder".

The Palestinians are the murderers as the Jews are retaliating to the existential threat of being murders by Palestinians. If Black September announced that African Americans would be killing random white Americans you could bet that the rate of black American deaths would go through the roof. And the lawyers would use the threat as the reason for the deaths and that is why they were all self defence. The same applies to Jerusalem and the deaths of Palestinians are self defence because the threat has been made

 

[Phoenall]

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Bullshit.
Muslims are murdering humans all over the globe.
One Jew says something and you equate that with murder.
Are you an idiot?

You don't seem to comprehend what I wrote. Are you an idiot?

I'm talking about Palestinians killing Jews and Jews killing Palestinians. This is occurring. When the people being targeted are innocent, it's usually called "murder".

Jews are NOT killing Palestinians; don't even TRY pulling that one off.
One crowd of Jews on edge for weeks runs after ONE Arab and you're equating them to Muslim MASS SERIAL MURDERS?
I call bullshit on you.

Read the news before spouting off.

You spout this "Equal" bullshit all the time.
Muslims are murdering people all around the globe and all you do is call out when a Jew raises his voice.

We're not talking about what's going on around the globe where all kinds of people are murdering all kinds of other people. We're talking about a very specific situation but hey - it's an Israeli head of state, he gets a free pass. Imagine if an American president made statements like that about blacks and the crime rate and threw in some faux historic distortions to scare the public.

You may have missed it but - it's JEWS who are incensed at Netanyahu's remarks.

NO only some Jews who don't want to rock the boat. Most agree with Netanyahu and so do the majority of the world. He is making the holocaust outcome equal on all parties that had a hand in it, so not letting the world forget that the Palestinians are also culpable of the holocaust.

 

[Phoenall]

Jews are NOT killing Palestinians; don't even TRY pulling that one off.
One crowd of Jews on edge for weeks runs after ONE Arab and you're equating them to Muslim MASS SERIAL MURDERS?
I call bullshit on you.

Read the news before spouting off.

You spout this "Equal" bullshit all the time.
Muslims are murdering people all around the globe and all you do is call out when a Jew raises his voice.

We're not talking about what's going on around the globe where all kinds of people are murdering all kinds of other people. We're talking about a very specific situation but hey - it's an Israeli head of state, he gets a free pass. Imagine if an American president made statements like that about blacks and the crime rate and threw in some faux historic distortions to scare the public.

You may have missed it but - it's JEWS who are incensed at Netanyahu's remarks.

I don't give a crap about what Netanyahu said.
His fellow Jews are being viciously picked off 1 by 1 by Arab scum and you keep equating Jews defending themselves to this scum.

I equate the killing of innocent people with murder. Is that a problem for you?

No you equate the killing of murderers as murder when it is self defence.

 

[Phoenall]

I can't imagine it has anything to do with Arab Serial Killers.

So...you decide to inflame fears and tensions with deliberate distortions? That's what a head of state is supposed to do?

No; that's not what you do.
But he still currently has to deal with a million potential Arab Serial Killers.

He has to deal with a very tense situation where Israeli Jews are afraid of Arab attackers and Israeli Arabs are afraid of Jewish retaliation. BOTH are Israeli citizens. At this point - stoking fear and inflaming tensions with statements like that is sheer irresponsibility.

Palestinians are not Israeli citizens. The attackers don't really care if the victim is jewish or arab or even a visitor. It causes anger, fear and retaliation....making the palestinians victims of the Israeli response and the cycle goes round and round.

Palestinians can do what they want and Israelis have to tiptoe around political correctness?

Who said that?

Arab Israeli's are Israeli citizens. Netanyahu has a responsibility to them as the head of state. Jews can do what they want and non-Jewish citizens have to suck it up?

Netanyahu's words are also causing anger, fear and retaliation and the victims cover all demographics.

And the arab Israeli's are not the ones attacking Jews in the west bank are they, it is the arab muslim Palestinians doing that. But there are some Israeli muslims that are vocal on the matter of killing Jews and they are the ones causing the problems

 

[Phoenall]

I don't give a crap about what Netanyahu said.
His fellow Jews are being viciously picked off 1 by 1 by Arab scum and you keep equating Jews defending themselves to this scum.

I equate the killing of innocent people with murder. Is that a problem for you?

You are so worthless.
You have been spouting your bullshit equating proactive violence by Arabs and Jews reactively defending themselves in reaction to the murders since I started here 2 years ago.
You're just a Jew Hating hypocrite and we all recognize that.

Thank you for finally being honest enough to state that you support murdering innocent people as long as they aren't Jews.

Thank you for equating a one time attempted killing in self defense to dozens of first degree murders in the span of a month.
Asshole.

Again, read the news. This is not a one-time attempted killing and they were not in self defense: When Israelis Kill Innocents for the Crime of Looking Arab - Opinion

Asshole? Jew hater? Look at your own bigotry when you start resorting to that.

And how many innocents have been killed then, I bet you can count on one hand. Now compare that to how many Jews have been attacked in the last month and you will get the picture

 

[Phoenall]

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Mathematically, you have stated "Israeli Jews are afraid of Arab attackers and Israeli Arabs are afraid of Jewish retaliation" in the correct order.
Morally, you are equating retaliation with deliberate murder.
You've got to be kidding yourself.

Murder is murder, and if you disguise it as "retaliation" it is no less murder when innocent people are killed.

Bullshit.
Muslims are murdering humans all over the globe.
One Jew says something and you equate that with murder.
Are you an idiot?

You don't seem to comprehend what I wrote. Are you an idiot?

I'm talking about Palestinians killing Jews and Jews killing Palestinians. This is occurring. When the people being targeted are innocent, it's usually called "murder".

Palestinians are told by their leaders they are righteous targets for attacks regardless of religion or age. "Kill the jews" and instructions are being broadcast on Palestinian media to incite more attacks

............but Israelis are being chastised?

Oh, I see - so if they hate, or spread hate, or incite the get a free pass? The Palestinians are held accountable but not the Israeli's? Come on Aris - this is a HEAD OF STATE - he is responsible for ALL his citizens, and for insuring the peace and security and well being of all his people - why is he saying crap like that which is designed only to inflame and spread fear and violence???? How is that being responsible? The excuses I hear are - well, Abbas is doing it...well, the Palestinians teach hate...well, does that make it right?

No comment on the war mongering coming from Abu Mazen every month ? Isnt he a head of state responsible for the Palestinians ?

 

[Phoenall]

You are so worthless.
You have been spouting your bullshit equating proactive violence by Arabs and Jews reactively defending themselves in reaction to the murders since I started here 2 years ago.
You're just a Jew Hating hypocrite and we all recognize that.

Thank you for finally being honest enough to state that you support murdering innocent people as long as they aren't Jews.

Thank you for equating a one time attempted killing in self defense to dozens of first degree murders in the span of a month.
Asshole.

Again, read the news. This is not a one-time attempted killing and they were not in self defense: When Israelis Kill Innocents for the Crime of Looking Arab - Opinion

Asshole? Jew hater? Look at your own bigotry when you start resorting to that.

Me: Did you READ the article?
You: No, I read the headline.

If the Arabs want to stir up a frenzy, they better be able to handle the reaction from the would be "helpless" Jews.

Me: I read the article. Where was the self-defense in attacking people because they looked like Arabs?

The worst part is, this isn’t the first case in recent days of an innocent getting killed by misdirected Israeli Jewish vigilante justice — and, if things keep going the way they’ve been going, it probably won’t be the last.


As violence spirals in the region, Israeli Jews are increasingly taking matters into their own hands. Of course, it’s not hard to understand the psychology at work here, where a climate of fear pushes people to extreme, impulsive behavior. But the cost is very high, and the people bearing the brunt of it, aside from the Palestinians, are the “others” of Israeli society: African asylum seekers and Mizrahi (Arab) Jews.


On October 13, in the Haifa suburb of Kiryat Ata, an Israeli Jew who was seeking to avenge the deaths of other Israeli Jews stabbed a young man, believing him to be an Arab. In fact, this man was an Arab — only not the kind that the assailant took him for.​

And don't you think that if the Palestinians did not resort to violence and terrorism all the time that this would not have happened ?

 

[Phoenall]

Thank you for equating a one time attempted killing in self defense to dozens of first degree murders in the span of a month.
Asshole.

Again, read the news. This is not a one-time attempted killing and they were not in self defense: When Israelis Kill Innocents for the Crime of Looking Arab - Opinion

Asshole? Jew hater? Look at your own bigotry when you start resorting to that.

Me: Did you READ the article?
You: No, I read the headline.

If the Arabs want to stir up a frenzy, they better be able to handle the reaction from the would be "helpless" Jews.

Me: I read the article. Where was the self-defense in attacking people because they looked like Arabs?

The psychological effect of living in constant fear.
Why not take a trip to Remallah and we'll see how cool, calm and collected you remain?

Nice attempt to distract from the issue. Yes, living in constant fear does have a psychological impact - both for the Palestinians and for the Israeli's. So what is the job of a nation's leader? To inflame those fears?

Which Abu Mazen does every month, and you stay silent on this. Hypocrisy or double standards, which ?

 

[Sallow]

Really Bibi? Really? I'm sure this is going to go a long ways towards calming the situation - something no one in a leadership position seems to be doing!

Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

JERUSALEM (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked uproar in Israel on Wednesday for suggesting that a World War II-era Palestinian leader convinced the Nazis to adopt their Final Solution to exterminate European Jews.

Holocaust experts slammed Netanyahu's comments as historically inaccurate and serving the interests of Holocaust deniers by lessening the responsibility of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. Critics also said the statement amounts to incitement against modern-day Palestinians in the midst of a wave of violent unrest and Israeli-Palestinian tensions.

Speaking to a group of Jewish leaders Tuesday, Netanyahu tried to use a historical anecdote to illustrate his point that Palestinian incitement surrounding Jerusalem's most sensitive holy site goes back decades.

He said the World War II-era Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Nazi sympathizer Haj Amin al-Husseini, instigated Palestinian attacks on Jews over lies that they planned to destroy the Temple Mount, known to Muslims at the Noble Sanctuary.

The hilltop compound in Jerusalem's Old City, housing the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the gold-topped Dome of the Rock, lies at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and completing claims over it are the source of the current round of violence. It is the third-holiest site in Islam and the holiest site in Judaism, where the two Jewish biblical Temples once stood.

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...

That was hilarious.

Merkel had to come in and clear the record.

 

[Sallow]

Really Bibi? Really? I'm sure this is going to go a long ways towards calming the situation - something no one in a leadership position seems to be doing!

Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

JERUSALEM (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked uproar in Israel on Wednesday for suggesting that a World War II-era Palestinian leader convinced the Nazis to adopt their Final Solution to exterminate European Jews.

Holocaust experts slammed Netanyahu's comments as historically inaccurate and serving the interests of Holocaust deniers by lessening the responsibility of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. Critics also said the statement amounts to incitement against modern-day Palestinians in the midst of a wave of violent unrest and Israeli-Palestinian tensions.

Speaking to a group of Jewish leaders Tuesday, Netanyahu tried to use a historical anecdote to illustrate his point that Palestinian incitement surrounding Jerusalem's most sensitive holy site goes back decades.

He said the World War II-era Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Nazi sympathizer Haj Amin al-Husseini, instigated Palestinian attacks on Jews over lies that they planned to destroy the Temple Mount, known to Muslims at the Noble Sanctuary.

The hilltop compound in Jerusalem's Old City, housing the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the gold-topped Dome of the Rock, lies at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and completing claims over it are the source of the current round of violence. It is the third-holiest site in Islam and the holiest site in Judaism, where the two Jewish biblical Temples once stood.

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...

Learn some history CAIR girl

From the OP...in case you missed it:

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...​

Hitler was talking about a "Final Solution" in Mein Kampf.

 

[Penelope]

Really Bibi? Really? I'm sure this is going to go a long ways towards calming the situation - something no one in a leadership position seems to be doing!

Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

JERUSALEM (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked uproar in Israel on Wednesday for suggesting that a World War II-era Palestinian leader convinced the Nazis to adopt their Final Solution to exterminate European Jews.

Holocaust experts slammed Netanyahu's comments as historically inaccurate and serving the interests of Holocaust deniers by lessening the responsibility of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. Critics also said the statement amounts to incitement against modern-day Palestinians in the midst of a wave of violent unrest and Israeli-Palestinian tensions.

Speaking to a group of Jewish leaders Tuesday, Netanyahu tried to use a historical anecdote to illustrate his point that Palestinian incitement surrounding Jerusalem's most sensitive holy site goes back decades.

He said the World War II-era Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Nazi sympathizer Haj Amin al-Husseini, instigated Palestinian attacks on Jews over lies that they planned to destroy the Temple Mount, known to Muslims at the Noble Sanctuary.

The hilltop compound in Jerusalem's Old City, housing the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the gold-topped Dome of the Rock, lies at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and completing claims over it are the source of the current round of violence. It is the third-holiest site in Islam and the holiest site in Judaism, where the two Jewish biblical Temples once stood.

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...

Learn some history CAIR girl

From the OP...in case you missed it:

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...​

Hitler was talking about a "Final Solution" in Mein Kampf.

Well as we are aware there are several versions of Mein Kampf out:

What I read is he originally wanted to ship families out together, as a family unit, and the final solution would be individuals will be sent out, splitting families up just to get them out.

Did you actually read him discussing genocide as a final solution?

 

[aris2chat]

Palestinians are told by their leaders they are righteous targets for attacks regardless of religion or age. "Kill the jews" and instructions are being broadcast on Palestinian media to incite more attacks

............but Israelis are being chastised?

Oh, I see - so if they hate, or spread hate, or incite the get a free pass? The Palestinians are held accountable but not the Israeli's? Come on Aris - this is a HEAD OF STATE - he is responsible for ALL his citizens, and for insuring the peace and security and well being of all his people - why is he saying crap like that which is designed only to inflame and spread fear and violence???? How is that being responsible? The excuses I hear are - well, Abbas is doing it...well, the Palestinians teach hate...well, does that make it right?

Yet the mufti was convicted for his part in the holocaust, so why is Netanyahu off base? The mufti was paid in gold to carry on the extermination of jews.

Hitlers own speech after the '41 meeting with the mufti call for the elimination of jews and their agreement on the subject.

............but Netanyahu is the liar?

Here are Netanyahu's words:

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said,

.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Lie or truth?

Hitler came out the meeting with the mufti and spoke of the agreement to eliminate the jews. With in moths the formal plan was laid out and implemented.

So hitler lied about the agreement with the mufti in '41?

How was Netanyhu wrong about the mufti's concerns regarding the jews being deported and going to Israel or wanting hitler to burn them?

This is what he said:

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said,

.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"
​

From the article I quoted earlier in this thread:

But the book says that the mufti “met Hitler in person for the first time” on Nov. 28, 1941 — two months before the Final Solution was formalized and the construction of extermination camps accelerated, according to historians, but after the mass murder of Jews had begun, and roughly one million had perished.

Professor Zimmermann, the Hebrew University historian, said on Israel Radio that Mr. Netanyahu was “doing something he must not do,” and that in “the protocol” of the 1941 meeting between the mufti and Hitler, “the text that Netanyahu speaks of does not appear.”

“He moves the responsibility of the Holocaust, for the destruction of the Jews, to the mufti and the Arab world,” Professor Zimmermann said. “This is a trick intended to stain the Arabs of today because of the Arabs of the past. To pile on the Arabs of the past by easing up on the Germans of the past.”

Professor Litvak of Tel Aviv University said the speech was “the height of the distortion of history.”

“Hitler did not need Husseini to convince him.” he said on Army Radio. “Hitler spoke of the destruction of the Jews in his famous speech in 1939, in which he prophesied that if war will break out and the Jews started it, the result will be the destruction of the Jewish race. He repeated these declarations.”
​

1. Hitler's genocide of the Jews had been rationalized and started well before he met with the Mufti, according to historians quoted - one million had already perished by then and Hitler had spoke about the destruction of the Jewish race in 1939.
2. There is no historic record for the quote Netanyahu claims the Mufti made.

So yes, I would say Netanyahu's statements were lies. What else would you call them?

before WWII, hitler did was willing to expel the jews and after the '41 face ti face with the mufti hitler was ready to draw up plans for the final solution. It coincides with mufti's visit and was stated by hitler after the meeting.

What is happening today is a carry over of the hate and violence the mufti created.

Netanyahu Wrong About Hitler, Right About Palestinian Mufti

The holocaust was for the two of them a mutual necessity

 

[Penelope]

Oh, I see - so if they hate, or spread hate, or incite the get a free pass? The Palestinians are held accountable but not the Israeli's? Come on Aris - this is a HEAD OF STATE - he is responsible for ALL his citizens, and for insuring the peace and security and well being of all his people - why is he saying crap like that which is designed only to inflame and spread fear and violence???? How is that being responsible? The excuses I hear are - well, Abbas is doing it...well, the Palestinians teach hate...well, does that make it right?

Yet the mufti was convicted for his part in the holocaust, so why is Netanyahu off base? The mufti was paid in gold to carry on the extermination of jews.

Hitlers own speech after the '41 meeting with the mufti call for the elimination of jews and their agreement on the subject.

............but Netanyahu is the liar?

Here are Netanyahu's words:

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said,

.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Lie or truth?

Hitler came out the meeting with the mufti and spoke of the agreement to eliminate the jews. With in moths the formal plan was laid out and implemented.

So hitler lied about the agreement with the mufti in '41?

How was Netanyhu wrong about the mufti's concerns regarding the jews being deported and going to Israel or wanting hitler to burn them?

This is what he said:

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said,

.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"
​

From the article I quoted earlier in this thread:

But the book says that the mufti “met Hitler in person for the first time” on Nov. 28, 1941 — two months before the Final Solution was formalized and the construction of extermination camps accelerated, according to historians, but after the mass murder of Jews had begun, and roughly one million had perished.

Professor Zimmermann, the Hebrew University historian, said on Israel Radio that Mr. Netanyahu was “doing something he must not do,” and that in “the protocol” of the 1941 meeting between the mufti and Hitler, “the text that Netanyahu speaks of does not appear.”

“He moves the responsibility of the Holocaust, for the destruction of the Jews, to the mufti and the Arab world,” Professor Zimmermann said. “This is a trick intended to stain the Arabs of today because of the Arabs of the past. To pile on the Arabs of the past by easing up on the Germans of the past.”

Professor Litvak of Tel Aviv University said the speech was “the height of the distortion of history.”

“Hitler did not need Husseini to convince him.” he said on Army Radio. “Hitler spoke of the destruction of the Jews in his famous speech in 1939, in which he prophesied that if war will break out and the Jews started it, the result will be the destruction of the Jewish race. He repeated these declarations.”
​

1. Hitler's genocide of the Jews had been rationalized and started well before he met with the Mufti, according to historians quoted - one million had already perished by then and Hitler had spoke about the destruction of the Jewish race in 1939.
2. There is no historic record for the quote Netanyahu claims the Mufti made.

So yes, I would say Netanyahu's statements were lies. What else would you call them?

before WWII, hitler did was willing to expel the jews and after the '41 face ti face with the mufti hitler was ready to draw up plans for the final solution. It coincides with mufti's visit and was stated by hitler after the meeting.

What is happening today is a carry over of the hate and violence the mufti created.

Netanyahu Wrong About Hitler, Right About Palestinian Mufti

The holocaust was for the two of them a mutual necessity

I am not going to even read that, if Hitler wanted the Jews dead, half a million would not of survived,, and also he could of just set fire to the ghettos, instead he hauled them to work camps , and then to sick camps , also there was no evidence of Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, Chelmno and Auschwitz and Majdanek were forced labor camps. So many lies. 6 million is the biggest lie.

This is not to say, many Jews did not died in WWII, as many lived in Poland, being kicked out of Russia, but planned genocide, no evidence of that at all and it does not add up.

 

[Phoenall]

Really Bibi? Really? I'm sure this is going to go a long ways towards calming the situation - something no one in a leadership position seems to be doing!

Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

JERUSALEM (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked uproar in Israel on Wednesday for suggesting that a World War II-era Palestinian leader convinced the Nazis to adopt their Final Solution to exterminate European Jews.

Holocaust experts slammed Netanyahu's comments as historically inaccurate and serving the interests of Holocaust deniers by lessening the responsibility of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. Critics also said the statement amounts to incitement against modern-day Palestinians in the midst of a wave of violent unrest and Israeli-Palestinian tensions.

Speaking to a group of Jewish leaders Tuesday, Netanyahu tried to use a historical anecdote to illustrate his point that Palestinian incitement surrounding Jerusalem's most sensitive holy site goes back decades.

He said the World War II-era Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Nazi sympathizer Haj Amin al-Husseini, instigated Palestinian attacks on Jews over lies that they planned to destroy the Temple Mount, known to Muslims at the Noble Sanctuary.

The hilltop compound in Jerusalem's Old City, housing the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the gold-topped Dome of the Rock, lies at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and completing claims over it are the source of the current round of violence. It is the third-holiest site in Islam and the holiest site in Judaism, where the two Jewish biblical Temples once stood.

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...

Learn some history CAIR girl

From the OP...in case you missed it:

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...​

Hitler was talking about a "Final Solution" in Mein Kampf.

Well as we are aware there are several versions of Mein Kampf out:

What I read is he originally wanted to ship families out together, as a family unit, and the final solution would be individuals will be sent out, splitting families up just to get them out.

Did you actually read him discussing genocide as a final solution?

Is there, then you will be able to produce the evidence to back this up.

From when he was arrested and thrown into prison he wanted to wipe out the Jews who he blamed for the Germans getting beaten in WW1. He wrote this down in the only version of Mein Kamf, and it is now the second highest selling book in islamonazi nations next to the koran.

Yes in his book that he wrote while in prison

 

[Phoenall]

Yet the mufti was convicted for his part in the holocaust, so why is Netanyahu off base? The mufti was paid in gold to carry on the extermination of jews.

Hitlers own speech after the '41 meeting with the mufti call for the elimination of jews and their agreement on the subject.

............but Netanyahu is the liar?

Here are Netanyahu's words:

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said,

.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Lie or truth?

Hitler came out the meeting with the mufti and spoke of the agreement to eliminate the jews. With in moths the formal plan was laid out and implemented.

So hitler lied about the agreement with the mufti in '41?

How was Netanyhu wrong about the mufti's concerns regarding the jews being deported and going to Israel or wanting hitler to burn them?

This is what he said:

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said,

.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"
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From the article I quoted earlier in this thread:

But the book says that the mufti “met Hitler in person for the first time” on Nov. 28, 1941 — two months before the Final Solution was formalized and the construction of extermination camps accelerated, according to historians, but after the mass murder of Jews had begun, and roughly one million had perished.

Professor Zimmermann, the Hebrew University historian, said on Israel Radio that Mr. Netanyahu was “doing something he must not do,” and that in “the protocol” of the 1941 meeting between the mufti and Hitler, “the text that Netanyahu speaks of does not appear.”

“He moves the responsibility of the Holocaust, for the destruction of the Jews, to the mufti and the Arab world,” Professor Zimmermann said. “This is a trick intended to stain the Arabs of today because of the Arabs of the past. To pile on the Arabs of the past by easing up on the Germans of the past.”

Professor Litvak of Tel Aviv University said the speech was “the height of the distortion of history.”

“Hitler did not need Husseini to convince him.” he said on Army Radio. “Hitler spoke of the destruction of the Jews in his famous speech in 1939, in which he prophesied that if war will break out and the Jews started it, the result will be the destruction of the Jewish race. He repeated these declarations.”
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1. Hitler's genocide of the Jews had been rationalized and started well before he met with the Mufti, according to historians quoted - one million had already perished by then and Hitler had spoke about the destruction of the Jewish race in 1939.
2. There is no historic record for the quote Netanyahu claims the Mufti made.

So yes, I would say Netanyahu's statements were lies. What else would you call them?

before WWII, hitler did was willing to expel the jews and after the '41 face ti face with the mufti hitler was ready to draw up plans for the final solution. It coincides with mufti's visit and was stated by hitler after the meeting.

What is happening today is a carry over of the hate and violence the mufti created.

Netanyahu Wrong About Hitler, Right About Palestinian Mufti

The holocaust was for the two of them a mutual necessity

I am not going to even read that, if Hitler wanted the Jews dead, half a million would not of survived,, and also he could of just set fire to the ghettos, instead he hauled them to work camps , and then to sick camps , also there was no evidence of Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, Chelmno and Auschwitz and Majdanek were forced labor camps. So many lies. 6 million is the biggest lie.

This is not to say, many Jews did not died in WWII, as many lived in Poland, being kicked out of Russia, but planned genocide, no evidence of that at all and it does not add up.

What a load of crap you can only kill so many people a day, and you can only dispose of so many bodies a day. Unless you want to infect a whole country/continent with a plague. Setting fire to the ghettos would have created a logistics nightmare and could have spread to the surrounding areas killing millions of allies. So he sent them to camps out of the towns and cities and they were forced to work until they dropped down dead. Like your LIE as 12 million plus people are supposed to have been murdered by the final solution, not all were Jews you see. There were those who spoke out against the Nazi's, the disabled, the mentally ill, the old, the intellectuals, the foriegners, the Gypsies, homosexuals and a whole host of other untermensch. Then there were the allied POW,s that were mown down rather than capture and inter, usually those of countries already captured.
Read your history books and see how many Jews from Poland survived, and then read the recent reports on the same anti Semitism rising in Poland as was there during the 1940's. The Russians had already had their holocaust only it was called the holidor. when 10 million were starved to death many of them Jews. But because this was carried out by communists the Left around the world hushed it up and swept it under the carpet. So no Jews were left after the pogroms that wiped most of them out.

All the evidence you could want, you just need an open mind and a need to know the truth.

 

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The Haavara Agreement (Hebrew: הסכם העברהTranslit.:heskem haavaraTranslated: "transfer agreement") was an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933. The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany. The agreement was designed to help facilitate the emigration of German Jews to Palestine. While it helped Jews emigrate, it forced them to temporarily give up possessions to Germany before departing. Those possessions could later be re-obtained by transferring them to Palestine as German export goods.[1][2]
Hitler's support of the Haavara Agreement varied throughout the thirties. Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but shortly reversed his opinion, and continued to support it, in the face of opposition, through 1939.[6]

After the invasion of Poland and the onset of World War II in 1939, the practical continuation of the Haavara agreement became impossible. In 1940, representatives of the underground Zionist group Lehi met with von Hentig to propose direct military cooperation with the Nazis for the continuation of the transfer of European Jews to Palestine
Haavara Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[aris2chat]

The Haavara Agreement (Hebrew: הסכם העברהTranslit.:heskem haavaraTranslated: "transfer agreement") was an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933. The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany. The agreement was designed to help facilitate the emigration of German Jews to Palestine. While it helped Jews emigrate, it forced them to temporarily give up possessions to Germany before departing. Those possessions could later be re-obtained by transferring them to Palestine as German export goods.[1][2]
Hitler's support of the Haavara Agreement varied throughout the thirties. Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but shortly reversed his opinion, and continued to support it, in the face of opposition, through 1939.[6]

After the invasion of Poland and the onset of World War II in 1939, the practical continuation of the Haavara agreement became impossible. In 1940, representatives of the underground Zionist group Lehi met with von Hentig to propose direct military cooperation with the Nazis for the continuation of the transfer of European Jews to Palestine
Haavara Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and by the start of '42 the final solution was begun, not just at Chelmno.

 

[Coyote]

Learn some history CAIR girl

From the OP...in case you missed it:

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...​

Did you understand that part you singled out then, as it says that Hitler gave the Mufti the go ahead to mass murder the Jews already in Palestine as there were plenty more were they came from. It was through the Mufti that the Nuremberg laws came to be passed as they are based on the pact of Omar that the mufti explained to his friends in the Nazi party.

1. No one is denying the Mufti was a hateful little antisemite who was responsible for war crimes - that isn't the issue. He was an evil man.
2. Do you have a link or proof for your second claim?

Reality Check:
The Nuremberg laws were passed in 1935.
There is nothing there that indicates the Mufti had anything to do with it. His first approach to Hitler was 1940.

Mufti had been in communication with Hitler since '33. Final solution was not even suggested till '41. Jews were persecuted and being rounded up, but the extermination did not begin till after the Mufti and Hitler discussed it.

Make a timeline of all correspondance and meeting with Germany and the mufti, then add in the direct meeting with Hitler. Compare that to the jewish question.

Sorry but it is not coincident when things changed.

Check the library, I'm sure there are lot of good books in English going back from the end of the war till the last decade, all connecting the mufti, hitler and holocaust. most of my books were dated from the 50's to 80's, with copies of german documents. I wish I still had access to them.

You expected the mufti to dissuade hitler? To suggest alternatives? You think the Mufti was neutral? That he was not thrilled by the final solution? That he took action to save masses of jews? He had been advocating the extermination since the 20's. The Mufti actively incited and justified massacres of jews. Now you want to white wash his image? Nothing suggest the mufti did not feed hitler's hate and paranoia. Mufti was paid to carry on the holocaust in eastern Europe and the middle east, in gold.

>>Dr. Serge Trifkovic documents the similarities between Al Husseini's brand of radical Islam and Nazism in his book The Sword of the Prophet. He noted parallels in both ideologies: anti-Semitism, quest for world dominance, demand for the total subordination of the free will of the individual, belief in the abolishment of the nation-state in favor of a "higher" community (in Islam the umma or community of all believers; in Nazism, the herrenvolk or master race), and belief in undemocratic governance by a "divine" leader (an Islamic caliph, or Nazi führer).

The Nazis provided Al Husseini with luxurious accommodations in Berlin and a monthly stipend in excess of $10,000. In return, he regularly appeared on German radio touting the Jews as the "most fierce enemies of Muslims," and implored an adoption of the Nazi "final solution" by Arabs. After the Nazi defeat at El Alamein in 1942, Al Husseini broadcast radio messages on Radio Berlin calling for continued Arabic resistance to Allied forces. In time, he came to be known as the "Fuhrer's Mufti" and the "Arab Fuhrer."

In March 1944, Al Husseini broadcast a call for a jihad to "kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion."

On numerous occasions, Al Husseini intervened in the fate of European Jews, most notably blocking Adolph Eichmann's deal with the Red Cross to exchange Jewish children for German POWs.

Moreover, Al Husseini personally recruited Bosnia Muslims for the German Waffen SS, including the Skanderberg Division from Albania and Hanjer Division from Bosnia. The Hanjer (Saber) Division of the Waffen SS was responsible for the murder of over 90 percent of the Yugoslavian Jewish population.

SS leader Heinrich Himmler was so pleased with Al Husseini's Muslim Nazis that he established the Dresden-based Mullah Military School for their continued recruitment and training. In 1944, Hanjer commandos parachuted into Tel Aviv and poisoned drinking wells in Jewish communities in an effort to stir up ethnic tensions.<<

Now you want to rewrite history to soften the mufti's involvement? The muslim brotherhood was support by hitler since the mid 30's. The mufti living in berlin for almost five years as a special guest of hitler's forking out $12 million a year, plus paying for his muslim SS army and the MB in the middle east.

You think hitler just through the mufti was a nice guy? You think Hitler was so generous when most germans earned maybe a couple thousand a year?

After the '41 meeting hitler made a public statement that "(the Fuhrer) would carry on the battle to the total destruction of the Judeo-Communist empire in Europe. A few months later the actual plans were drawn up to carry out the final solution and then put into play. Hitler even gave the mufti a written declaration of support and the plans they discussed after that meeting. How is this coincidence?

Also proving that the Nuremberg laws were based on the pact of Omar, sharia and dhimmi laws because the mufti informed hitler and his Generals how the muslim dealt with the Jews and other undesirables

Prove it because I can find no historical records of that and historians seem to be refuting your claim.

 

[Coyote]

So, Nutty Yahoo thinks Hitler was not responsible for the Holocaust and that the Palestinians were. Desperate man.

No he says that the Nazi's and the Palestinians were equally responsible for the holocaust and the genocide of 12 million innocents


Are you being a HOLOCAUST DENIER

Netanyahu seems to be.

 

[Coyote]

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He has to deal with a very tense situation where Israeli Jews are afraid of Arab attackers and Israeli Arabs are afraid of Jewish retaliation. BOTH are Israeli citizens. At this point - stoking fear and inflaming tensions with statements like that is sheer irresponsibility.

Mathematically, you have stated "Israeli Jews are afraid of Arab attackers and Israeli Arabs are afraid of Jewish retaliation" in the correct order.
Morally, you are equating retaliation with deliberate murder.
You've got to be kidding yourself.

Murder is murder, and if you disguise it as "retaliation" it is no less murder when innocent people are killed.

Bullshit.
Muslims are murdering humans all over the globe.
One Jew says something and you equate that with murder.
Are you an idiot?

You don't seem to comprehend what I wrote. Are you an idiot?

I'm talking about Palestinians killing Jews and Jews killing Palestinians. This is occurring. When the people being targeted are innocent, it's usually called "murder".

The Palestinians are the murderers as the Jews are retaliating to the existential threat of being murders by Palestinians. If Black September announced that African Americans would be killing random white Americans you could bet that the rate of black American deaths would go through the roof. And the lawyers would use the threat as the reason for the deaths and that is why they were all self defence. The same applies to Jerusalem and the deaths of Palestinians are self defence because the threat has been made

That makes no sense. Murder is murder. When you killed a person who is not threatening you - it's murder.