Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

[aris2chat]

Me: Did you READ the article?
You: No, I read the headline.

If the Arabs want to stir up a frenzy, they better be able to handle the reaction from the would be "helpless" Jews.

Me: I read the article. Where was the self-defense in attacking people because they looked like Arabs?

The psychological effect of living in constant fear.
Why not take a trip to Remallah and we'll see how cool, calm and collected you remain?

Nice attempt to distract from the issue. Yes, living in constant fear does have a psychological impact - both for the Palestinians and for the Israeli's. So what is the job of a nation's leader? To inflame those fears?

I have an idea...tell me when...
the 1st attack occurred and who did it
the 2nd attack occurred and who did it
the 3rd attack occurred and who did it
the 4th attack occurred and who did it
the 5th attack occurred and who did it

Go all the way to the 10th and you STILL won't get to where a Jew did it.

All that to say it's ok if Jews murder and it's ok if the head of state inflames those fears and tensions? What a hypocrite you are. Murder is murder and no one should be absolved. Everything should be geared towards calming the fears and improving the security but neither side seems to be doing that and you are applauding it.

Israelis have a right to respond to attack.

 

[Coyote]

And again - why does Netanyahu choose this moment to say the things he said?

Why did the palestinians advocate and carry a spree of stabbing and killing Israelis? "stab the jews" "kill jews", "exterminate jews", "wipe out the jews".................
It's like the mufti all over again.

Israelis are mad about this wave of attacks everyday. Netanyahu's language reflects that. He is not saying anything new. It was no state secret.
Maybe if more Palestinians, and the world realize the connection, they won't so easily dismiss events today. They might change their course and seek different language and actions or move back to talks better yet.

People need to be reminded that security for the Israelis is vital to prevent another holocaust of jews. Israelis have a right to protect themselves from guns, knives, cars, rocks, molotovs and any attacks.

Abbas has been inciting for months, and he was portrayed as the moderate by the world. Hamas is giving detailed instruction on sharpening a knife and how to use it to stab jews. Praising attacks and even offering money to remaining family for those who attack.

Why shouldn't the world remember and maybe be concerned by the wave of violence which could if it keeps growing be the beginning of another holocaust?

Why can arab incite violence over every media but Israelis have to carefully dance around their every word uttered?

Mufti was no saint and culpable for the holocaust then and the violence now. Sorry but that is fact.

So your argument is because the Palestinian leadership is doing it, the Israeli leadership should do it? Great way to explode the murder rate on both sides. Netanyahu has been inflamming the situation everybit has much as Abbas, but he gets a free pass from you.

And yes, Mufti was no saint - no one is making that argument - but he was not Hitler's mentor, as Netanyahu would have you believe.

Israelis get mad and vent, but they get criticized over the meaning of every word, while palestinians blatantly say what ever they want and the world does not even blink.

Mufti was convicted for his part after the war but you just pass over that fact. Documents and books have been written on his involvement and suddenly no one is supposed to mention him?
Palestinians can bring up every libel and spread disinformation inciting violence and Israelis have to get preapproval before opening their mouth?

Everybody gets mad and vents, including the Palistinians. The Palistinians get criticized every time they spout over the top rhetoric - it's in the news. Statements about destroying Israel, etc etc - you've posted as much. But when Israel does the same - everyone defends it.

Yes, the Mufti was convicted but no - I'm not passing over the fact - you are distorting what I'm saying. NO ONE is arguing that the Mufti was evil - ok? No one. But he wasn't Hitler's mentor, he did not give Hitler the idea for the final solution. He was, in fact, repeatedly rejected by Hitler at first. Netanyahu is deliberately repeating what is essentially disinformation (and note - historians have repudiated Netanyahu's statements) and conspiracy theory to inflame tensions and you think this is acceptable because it's Israel?

 

[Coyote]

,

Murder is murder, and if you disguise it as "retaliation" it is no less murder when innocent people are killed.

Bullshit.
Muslims are murdering humans all over the globe.
One Jew says something and you equate that with murder.
Are you an idiot?

You don't seem to comprehend what I wrote. Are you an idiot?

I'm talking about Palestinians killing Jews and Jews killing Palestinians. This is occurring. When the people being targeted are innocent, it's usually called "murder".

Palestinians are told by their leaders they are righteous targets for attacks regardless of religion or age. "Kill the jews" and instructions are being broadcast on Palestinian media to incite more attacks

............but Israelis are being chastised?

Oh, I see - so if they hate, or spread hate, or incite the get a free pass? The Palestinians are held accountable but not the Israeli's? Come on Aris - this is a HEAD OF STATE - he is responsible for ALL his citizens, and for insuring the peace and security and well being of all his people - why is he saying crap like that which is designed only to inflame and spread fear and violence???? How is that being responsible? The excuses I hear are - well, Abbas is doing it...well, the Palestinians teach hate...well, does that make it right?

Yet the mufti was convicted for his part in the holocaust, so why is Netanyahu off base? The mufti was paid in gold to carry on the extermination of jews.

Hitlers own speech after the '41 meeting with the mufti call for the elimination of jews and their agreement on the subject.

............but Netanyahu is the liar?

Hitler had already started killing Jews several years before meeting with the Mufti so yes, he is a liar.

 

[Coyote]

Me: I read the article. Where was the self-defense in attacking people because they looked like Arabs?

The psychological effect of living in constant fear.
Why not take a trip to Remallah and we'll see how cool, calm and collected you remain?

Nice attempt to distract from the issue. Yes, living in constant fear does have a psychological impact - both for the Palestinians and for the Israeli's. So what is the job of a nation's leader? To inflame those fears?

I have an idea...tell me when...
the 1st attack occurred and who did it
the 2nd attack occurred and who did it
the 3rd attack occurred and who did it
the 4th attack occurred and who did it
the 5th attack occurred and who did it

Go all the way to the 10th and you STILL won't get to where a Jew did it.

All that to say it's ok if Jews murder and it's ok if the head of state inflames those fears and tensions? What a hypocrite you are. Murder is murder and no one should be absolved. Everything should be geared towards calming the fears and improving the security but neither side seems to be doing that and you are applauding it.

Israelis have a right to respond to attack.

They have the right to kill innocent civilians?

Do the Palestinians have a right to respond to attack then?

 

[Billo_Really]

I thought it was against the rules to talk about Mufti without Roudy present?

 

[Coyote]

Me: I read the article. Where was the self-defense in attacking people because they looked like Arabs?

The psychological effect of living in constant fear.
Why not take a trip to Remallah and we'll see how cool, calm and collected you remain?

Nice attempt to distract from the issue. Yes, living in constant fear does have a psychological impact - both for the Palestinians and for the Israeli's. So what is the job of a nation's leader? To inflame those fears?

I have an idea...tell me when...
the 1st attack occurred and who did it
the 2nd attack occurred and who did it
the 3rd attack occurred and who did it
the 4th attack occurred and who did it
the 5th attack occurred and who did it

Go all the way to the 10th and you STILL won't get to where a Jew did it.

All that to say it's ok if Jews murder and it's ok if the head of state inflames those fears and tensions? What a hypocrite you are. Murder is murder and no one should be absolved. Everything should be geared towards calming the fears and improving the security but neither side seems to be doing that and you are applauding it.

You won't take the challenge because you know you're dead in the water.
Take the challenge and see that it took almost a MONTH and a few DOZENS murders for panic to set in.

You're no longer making sense.

Are you saying you agree with murder?

 

[Billo_Really]

Israelis have a right to respond to attack.

And when the attack is not a response?

 

[Coyote]

,

Murder is murder, and if you disguise it as "retaliation" it is no less murder when innocent people are killed.

Bullshit.
Muslims are murdering humans all over the globe.
One Jew says something and you equate that with murder.
Are you an idiot?

You don't seem to comprehend what I wrote. Are you an idiot?

I'm talking about Palestinians killing Jews and Jews killing Palestinians. This is occurring. When the people being targeted are innocent, it's usually called "murder".

Palestinians are told by their leaders they are righteous targets for attacks regardless of religion or age. "Kill the jews" and instructions are being broadcast on Palestinian media to incite more attacks

............but Israelis are being chastised?

Oh, I see - so if they hate, or spread hate, or incite the get a free pass? The Palestinians are held accountable but not the Israeli's? Come on Aris - this is a HEAD OF STATE - he is responsible for ALL his citizens, and for insuring the peace and security and well being of all his people - why is he saying crap like that which is designed only to inflame and spread fear and violence???? How is that being responsible? The excuses I hear are - well, Abbas is doing it...well, the Palestinians teach hate...well, does that make it right?

Yet the mufti was convicted for his part in the holocaust, so why is Netanyahu off base? The mufti was paid in gold to carry on the extermination of jews.

Hitlers own speech after the '41 meeting with the mufti call for the elimination of jews and their agreement on the subject.

............but Netanyahu is the liar?

Here are Netanyahu's words:

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Lie or truth?

 

[Indeependent]

You try to kill my people, you're ******* dead.
I won't sacrifice one college educated Jew for a kindergarten dropout knife wielding piece of slime.

What if the knife wielding piece of slime, is your college educated Jew?

What are you gonna do then?

Why bring up fantasy; it would NEVER happen.

 

[Indeependent]

The psychological effect of living in constant fear.
Why not take a trip to Remallah and we'll see how cool, calm and collected you remain?

Nice attempt to distract from the issue. Yes, living in constant fear does have a psychological impact - both for the Palestinians and for the Israeli's. So what is the job of a nation's leader? To inflame those fears?

I have an idea...tell me when...
the 1st attack occurred and who did it
the 2nd attack occurred and who did it
the 3rd attack occurred and who did it
the 4th attack occurred and who did it
the 5th attack occurred and who did it

Go all the way to the 10th and you STILL won't get to where a Jew did it.

All that to say it's ok if Jews murder and it's ok if the head of state inflames those fears and tensions? What a hypocrite you are. Murder is murder and no one should be absolved. Everything should be geared towards calming the fears and improving the security but neither side seems to be doing that and you are applauding it.

Israelis have a right to respond to attack.

They have the right to kill innocent civilians?

Do the Palestinians have a right to respond to attack then?

If Jews go out of their way to Murder ANYONE, the attacked have the right to full force defense.

But you are deflecting my SPECIFIC challenge in the hope that I will post something that will allow you to go off on some irrelevant tangent.

 

[jillian]

Really Bibi? Really? I'm sure this is going to go a long ways towards calming the situation - something no one in a leadership position seems to be doing!

Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

JERUSALEM (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked uproar in Israel on Wednesday for suggesting that a World War II-era Palestinian leader convinced the Nazis to adopt their Final Solution to exterminate European Jews.

Holocaust experts slammed Netanyahu's comments as historically inaccurate and serving the interests of Holocaust deniers by lessening the responsibility of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. Critics also said the statement amounts to incitement against modern-day Palestinians in the midst of a wave of violent unrest and Israeli-Palestinian tensions.

Speaking to a group of Jewish leaders Tuesday, Netanyahu tried to use a historical anecdote to illustrate his point that Palestinian incitement surrounding Jerusalem's most sensitive holy site goes back decades.

He said the World War II-era Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Nazi sympathizer Haj Amin al-Husseini, instigated Palestinian attacks on Jews over lies that they planned to destroy the Temple Mount, known to Muslims at the Noble Sanctuary.

The hilltop compound in Jerusalem's Old City, housing the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the gold-topped Dome of the Rock, lies at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and completing claims over it are the source of the current round of violence. It is the third-holiest site in Islam and the holiest site in Judaism, where the two Jewish biblical Temples once stood.

Netanyahu said al-Husseini played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Historians quickly noted that the Nazi Final Solution was already well underway at this point, with several concentration camps up and running. Hitler had previously repeatedly declared his lethal intentions for the Jews.

Moshe Zimmermann, a prominent Holocaust and anti-Semitism researcher at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu made a "far-reaching argument" for political purposes that didn't hold water. He said the comments essentially made Netanyahu a Holocaust denier.

"Any attempt to deflect the burden from Hitler to others is a form of Holocaust denial," he told The Associated Press.

Al-Husseini was an enthusiastic Nazi supporter. But Zimmermann called him a "lightweight" who was pleading with Hitler for assistance in getting rid of the British Mandate and the Jewish immigrants coming to the Holy Land. He said there was no evidence al-Husseini had any real influence on Hitler...

while i'm sure Israel appreciates your advice, I've never seen you equipped to opine on this subject... well, except when you defend sunni ijit.

The 'princess' has spoken! hahahaha!

And the donkey has brayed! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Oh no...

Not another 'princess'...

Sorry your highness, I thought you said something interesting...

My mistake, it was just a fart!

not only a jew-haters. but a vulgar one.

cool... living up to type.

 

[jillian]

Nice attempt to distract from the issue. Yes, living in constant fear does have a psychological impact - both for the Palestinians and for the Israeli's. So what is the job of a nation's leader? To inflame those fears?

I have an idea...tell me when...
the 1st attack occurred and who did it
the 2nd attack occurred and who did it
the 3rd attack occurred and who did it
the 4th attack occurred and who did it
the 5th attack occurred and who did it

Go all the way to the 10th and you STILL won't get to where a Jew did it.

All that to say it's ok if Jews murder and it's ok if the head of state inflames those fears and tensions? What a hypocrite you are. Murder is murder and no one should be absolved. Everything should be geared towards calming the fears and improving the security but neither side seems to be doing that and you are applauding it.

Israelis have a right to respond to attack.

They have the right to kill innocent civilians?

Do the Palestinians have a right to respond to attack then?

If Jews go out of their way to Murder ANYONE, the attacked have the right to full force defense.

But you are deflecting my SPECIFIC challenge in the hope that I will post something that will allow you to go off on some irrelevant tangent.

no jew hater... if a terrorist group commits terrorist acts, israel has the right to retaliate

see how that works, jew-hater?

 

[Billo_Really]

Why bring up fantasy; it would NEVER happen.

So you're the only one who can have fantasy's?

 

[Coyote]

Nice attempt to distract from the issue. Yes, living in constant fear does have a psychological impact - both for the Palestinians and for the Israeli's. So what is the job of a nation's leader? To inflame those fears?

I have an idea...tell me when...
the 1st attack occurred and who did it
the 2nd attack occurred and who did it
the 3rd attack occurred and who did it
the 4th attack occurred and who did it
the 5th attack occurred and who did it

Go all the way to the 10th and you STILL won't get to where a Jew did it.

All that to say it's ok if Jews murder and it's ok if the head of state inflames those fears and tensions? What a hypocrite you are. Murder is murder and no one should be absolved. Everything should be geared towards calming the fears and improving the security but neither side seems to be doing that and you are applauding it.

Israelis have a right to respond to attack.

They have the right to kill innocent civilians?

Do the Palestinians have a right to respond to attack then?

If Jews go out of their way to Murder ANYONE, the attacked have the right to full force defense.

But you are deflecting my SPECIFIC challenge in the hope that I will post something that will allow you to go off on some irrelevant tangent.

How is attacking an innocent passerby "defense"?

 

[Billo_Really]

How is attacking an innocent passerby "defense"?

Be careful, he might feel attacked by questions like that?

 

[Indeependent]

I have an idea...tell me when...
the 1st attack occurred and who did it
the 2nd attack occurred and who did it
the 3rd attack occurred and who did it
the 4th attack occurred and who did it
the 5th attack occurred and who did it

Go all the way to the 10th and you STILL won't get to where a Jew did it.

All that to say it's ok if Jews murder and it's ok if the head of state inflames those fears and tensions? What a hypocrite you are. Murder is murder and no one should be absolved. Everything should be geared towards calming the fears and improving the security but neither side seems to be doing that and you are applauding it.

Israelis have a right to respond to attack.

They have the right to kill innocent civilians?

Do the Palestinians have a right to respond to attack then?

If Jews go out of their way to Murder ANYONE, the attacked have the right to full force defense.

But you are deflecting my SPECIFIC challenge in the hope that I will post something that will allow you to go off on some irrelevant tangent.

How is attacking an innocent passerby "defense"?

My last post for the evening.

You are completely full of shit as always.
I challenged you to connect the dots and you deflected over and over.
You are a Jew Hating asshole and have been for at least the last two years.
You are dismissible.

 

[Billo_Really]

My last post for the evening.

You are completely full of shit as always.
I challenged you to connect the dots and you deflected over and over.
You are a Jew Hating asshole and have been for at least the last two years.
You are dismissible.

Can you be anymore condescending?

 

[Coyote]

All that to say it's ok if Jews murder and it's ok if the head of state inflames those fears and tensions? What a hypocrite you are. Murder is murder and no one should be absolved. Everything should be geared towards calming the fears and improving the security but neither side seems to be doing that and you are applauding it.

Israelis have a right to respond to attack.

They have the right to kill innocent civilians?

Do the Palestinians have a right to respond to attack then?

If Jews go out of their way to Murder ANYONE, the attacked have the right to full force defense.

But you are deflecting my SPECIFIC challenge in the hope that I will post something that will allow you to go off on some irrelevant tangent.

How is attacking an innocent passerby "defense"?

My last post for the evening.

You are completely full of shit as always.
I challenged you to connect the dots and you deflected over and over.
You are a Jew Hating asshole and have been for at least the last two years.
You are dismissible.

You can't answer a simple question? How is attacking an innocent passerby "defense"?

 

[aris2chat]

,

Bullshit.
Muslims are murdering humans all over the globe.
One Jew says something and you equate that with murder.
Are you an idiot?

You don't seem to comprehend what I wrote. Are you an idiot?

I'm talking about Palestinians killing Jews and Jews killing Palestinians. This is occurring. When the people being targeted are innocent, it's usually called "murder".

Palestinians are told by their leaders they are righteous targets for attacks regardless of religion or age. "Kill the jews" and instructions are being broadcast on Palestinian media to incite more attacks

............but Israelis are being chastised?

Oh, I see - so if they hate, or spread hate, or incite the get a free pass? The Palestinians are held accountable but not the Israeli's? Come on Aris - this is a HEAD OF STATE - he is responsible for ALL his citizens, and for insuring the peace and security and well being of all his people - why is he saying crap like that which is designed only to inflame and spread fear and violence???? How is that being responsible? The excuses I hear are - well, Abbas is doing it...well, the Palestinians teach hate...well, does that make it right?

Yet the mufti was convicted for his part in the holocaust, so why is Netanyahu off base? The mufti was paid in gold to carry on the extermination of jews.

Hitlers own speech after the '41 meeting with the mufti call for the elimination of jews and their agreement on the subject.

............but Netanyahu is the liar?

Here are Netanyahu's words:

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu told the group. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said,

.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them.'"

Lie or truth?

Hitler came out the meeting with the mufti and spoke of the agreement to eliminate the jews. With in moths the formal plan was laid out and implemented.

So hitler lied about the agreement with the mufti in '41?

How was Netanyhu wrong about the mufti's concerns regarding the jews being deported and going to Israel or wanting hitler to burn them?

 

[aris2chat]

I have an idea...tell me when...
the 1st attack occurred and who did it
the 2nd attack occurred and who did it
the 3rd attack occurred and who did it
the 4th attack occurred and who did it
the 5th attack occurred and who did it

Go all the way to the 10th and you STILL won't get to where a Jew did it.

All that to say it's ok if Jews murder and it's ok if the head of state inflames those fears and tensions? What a hypocrite you are. Murder is murder and no one should be absolved. Everything should be geared towards calming the fears and improving the security but neither side seems to be doing that and you are applauding it.

Israelis have a right to respond to attack.

They have the right to kill innocent civilians?

Do the Palestinians have a right to respond to attack then?

If Jews go out of their way to Murder ANYONE, the attacked have the right to full force defense.

But you are deflecting my SPECIFIC challenge in the hope that I will post something that will allow you to go off on some irrelevant tangent.

How is attacking an innocent passerby "defense"?

Palestinians were attacking innocents. There was one mistake where an Israeli officer was trying to protect the suspect and the Israeli attack him. They did not know it eritrean was innocent.

Palestinians are being told to attack civilians.