"Net Neutrality is the Obamacare of the Internet..."

[Czernobog]

The problem is that too many people trust the government. I hate Comcast just as much as the next guy but if you think that the government is going to just make sure that the Internet is equal then you are the worst of naive fools and have learned nothing from history. A free and open Internet is doomed with either choice.

Okay...this isn't about "hating" Comcast. Comcast is a business. I expect it to behave as a business will - to make profits any way it can. That's what businesses do. However, this is why I do support federal regulatory agencies like the EPA, the FDC, the FDA, and the FCC to hep to ensure that these businesses are not able to hunt those profits at the cost of my safety, well-being, and individual liberties.

Also, one of the nice things about these oversight agencies is that they operate independently of any administration, or party. You don't have to trust Obama in order to trust that the EPA is going to do what it does. You don't have to trust Republicans to know that the EPA is going to do what it does. You don't have to trust Progressives to know that the FCC is going to do what it does. These agencies existed long before any of the current players in Washington were in the game, and they will be around long after all of them are long gone.

Those ARE government agencies and this isn't about Obama and the progressives. This us about government. Government never does anything efficiently, and it is never ever satisfied with the power and authority that it has. Your example of the EPA is a case in point. It has way too often overstepped its bounds and gone off the rails. If you let the government get it's hooks into the Internet then that will be all she wrote, and it won't matter who is in the White House. In the "interest of fairness", or the "security of the nation" blah blah blah. No freedom.

Okay. I don't agree, but okay. You never answered my original question. So, your solution would be...?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Net Neutrality is the Obamacare of the Internet..."

Yeah, that was extremely moronic.

Not surprise coming from Cruz, of course.

 

[PredFan]

There is probably a third option that isn't even being considered. I don't think that allowing huge companies like Comcast to dictate and parcel out the Internet leads to anything like freedom, and I'm absolutely sure that if the Internet comes under government control, it will definitely not be free.

And so your "third option" would be...


And for the record, no one wants the internet "under government control" any more than television, or radio is "under government control". However, having the government put into place protections to prevent anyone "taking control" of the internet seems like a pretty good idea.

But TV is under government control. And it is never a good idea to have government control anything.

Really? No. In China television is under government control. In most Middle East countries television is under government control. If television were truly under government control do you honestly believe that the NSA story would ever have seen the light of day? I'm not sure you really understand what "government control" actually means. You should speak to someone who had to grow up under a totalitarian regime sometime, and you might have a some idea of what "government controlled" media actually looks like.

If anything television is under corporate control. Although, fortunately, even that is not universal - yet.

TV is under government control, it's called the FCC. You cannot just open up a TV station and begin broadcasting, you cannot put anything you want to on your station. Television is regulated out the wazoo. Try showing midget nude mud wrestling on channel two at 6 pm and see if it isn't regulated.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

There is probably a third option that isn't even being considered. I don't think that allowing huge companies like Comcast to dictate and parcel out the Internet leads to anything like freedom, and I'm absolutely sure that if the Internet comes under government control, it will definitely not be free.

And so your "third option" would be...


And for the record, no one wants the internet "under government control" any more than television, or radio is "under government control". However, having the government put into place protections to prevent anyone "taking control" of the internet seems like a pretty good idea.

But TV is under government control. And it is never a good idea to have government control anything.

Really? No. In China television is under government control. In most Middle East countries television is under government control. If television were truly under government control do you honestly believe that the NSA story would ever have seen the light of day? I'm not sure you really understand what "government control" actually means. You should speak to someone who had to grow up under a totalitarian regime sometime, and you might have a some idea of what "government controlled" media actually looks like.

If anything television is under corporate control. Although, fortunately, even that is not universal - yet.

Not with people like Edward Snowden working for the NSA Some Americans are patriots even if they work for the government.

You really are that stupid, aren't you? If television, in the United states, were "under government control" what makes you think that you would ever have even heard of Edward Snowden? Control means just that - control. That means the government decides what you see, what you hear, what you read. The government decides what is for "public consumption". The very fact that you even know who Edward Snowden is is proof that the government does. not. control. our. media.

Dude obama has people on his staff that are related to those who control the flow of information from every major news outlet but fox, and I'm sure if I dug hard enough A fox executive will have a relative on obamas staff. So yes obama controls the mainstream media.

 

[Czernobog]

There is probably a third option that isn't even being considered. I don't think that allowing huge companies like Comcast to dictate and parcel out the Internet leads to anything like freedom, and I'm absolutely sure that if the Internet comes under government control, it will definitely not be free.

And so your "third option" would be...


And for the record, no one wants the internet "under government control" any more than television, or radio is "under government control". However, having the government put into place protections to prevent anyone "taking control" of the internet seems like a pretty good idea.

But TV is under government control. And it is never a good idea to have government control anything.

Really? No. In China television is under government control. In most Middle East countries television is under government control. If television were truly under government control do you honestly believe that the NSA story would ever have seen the light of day? I'm not sure you really understand what "government control" actually means. You should speak to someone who had to grow up under a totalitarian regime sometime, and you might have a some idea of what "government controlled" media actually looks like.

If anything television is under corporate control. Although, fortunately, even that is not universal - yet.

TV is under government control, it's called the FCC. You cannot just open up a TV station and begin broadcasting, you cannot put anything you want to on your station. Television is regulated out the wazoo. Try showing midget nude mud wrestling on channel two at 6 pm and see if it isn't regulated.

Regulation is not the same as control, and you know it. Come back when you have something more substantial than , "I have to follow rules, so my government is a dictatorship!!!"

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Can Cruz ever be a bigger asshole?

Like healthcare, he wants the Internet reserved for those who can afford it

Not just Cruz, but most on the right.

 

[Czernobog]

And so your "third option" would be...


And for the record, no one wants the internet "under government control" any more than television, or radio is "under government control". However, having the government put into place protections to prevent anyone "taking control" of the internet seems like a pretty good idea.

But TV is under government control. And it is never a good idea to have government control anything.

Really? No. In China television is under government control. In most Middle East countries television is under government control. If television were truly under government control do you honestly believe that the NSA story would ever have seen the light of day? I'm not sure you really understand what "government control" actually means. You should speak to someone who had to grow up under a totalitarian regime sometime, and you might have a some idea of what "government controlled" media actually looks like.

If anything television is under corporate control. Although, fortunately, even that is not universal - yet.

Not with people like Edward Snowden working for the NSA Some Americans are patriots even if they work for the government.

You really are that stupid, aren't you? If television, in the United states, were "under government control" what makes you think that you would ever have even heard of Edward Snowden? Control means just that - control. That means the government decides what you see, what you hear, what you read. The government decides what is for "public consumption". The very fact that you even know who Edward Snowden is is proof that the government does. not. control. our. media.

Dude obama has people on his staff that are related to those who control the flow of information from every major news outlet but fox, and I'm sure if I dug hard enough A fox executive will have a relative on obamas staff. So yes obama controls the mainstream media.

Sure...and the moon landing was a hoax...the Twin Towers were brought down by Bush...and there really was someone on the grassy knoll...

Lemme know when we have decided to stroll back from Tinfoil Hatland.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Can Cruz be a bigger asshole?

Like healthcare, he wants the Internet reserved for those who can afford it

It scares me that you are allowed to vote in elections.

 

[Rikurzhen]

There is probably a third option that isn't even being considered. I don't think that allowing huge companies like Comcast to dictate and parcel out the Internet leads to anything like freedom, and I'm absolutely sure that if the Internet comes under government control, it will definitely not be free.

And so your "third option" would be...


And for the record, no one wants the internet "under government control" any more than television, or radio is "under government control". However, having the government put into place protections to prevent anyone "taking control" of the internet seems like a pretty good idea.

But TV is under government control. And it is never a good idea to have government control anything.

Really? No. In China television is under government control. In most Middle East countries television is under government control. If television were truly under government control do you honestly believe that the NSA story would ever have seen the light of day? I'm not sure you really understand what "government control" actually means. You should speak to someone who had to grow up under a totalitarian regime sometime, and you might have a some idea of what "government controlled" media actually looks like.

If anything television is under corporate control. Although, fortunately, even that is not universal - yet.

TV is under government control, it's called the FCC. You cannot just open up a TV station and begin broadcasting, you cannot put anything you want to on your station. Television is regulated out the wazoo. Try showing midget nude mud wrestling on channel two at 6 pm and see if it isn't regulated.

Regulation is not the same as control, and you know it.

 

[PredFan]

The problem is that too many people trust the government. I hate Comcast just as much as the next guy but if you think that the government is going to just make sure that the Internet is equal then you are the worst of naive fools and have learned nothing from history. A free and open Internet is doomed with either choice.

Okay...this isn't about "hating" Comcast. Comcast is a business. I expect it to behave as a business will - to make profits any way it can. That's what businesses do. However, this is why I do support federal regulatory agencies like the EPA, the FDC, the FDA, and the FCC to hep to ensure that these businesses are not able to hunt those profits at the cost of my safety, well-being, and individual liberties.

Also, one of the nice things about these oversight agencies is that they operate independently of any administration, or party. You don't have to trust Obama in order to trust that the EPA is going to do what it does. You don't have to trust Republicans to know that the EPA is going to do what it does. You don't have to trust Progressives to know that the FCC is going to do what it does. These agencies existed long before any of the current players in Washington were in the game, and they will be around long after all of them are long gone.

Those ARE government agencies and this isn't about Obama and the progressives. This us about government. Government never does anything efficiently, and it is never ever satisfied with the power and authority that it has. Your example of the EPA is a case in point. It has way too often overstepped its bounds and gone off the rails. If you let the government get it's hooks into the Internet then that will be all she wrote, and it won't matter who is in the White House. In the "interest of fairness", or the "security of the nation" blah blah blah. No freedom.

Okay. I don't agree, but okay. You never answered my original question. So, your solution would be...?

I have no idea what would be the best solution. That is why I said we were screwed either way. I do believe that the goverent would be more evil than Comcast simply from my perspective since I can afford the higher speeds. Other than that I can't see a good ending here.

 

[PredFan]

"Net Neutrality is the Obamacare of the Internet..."

Yeah, that was extremely moronic.

Not surprise coming from Cruz, of course.

It isn't moronic, it's simply over your head.

 

[Stephanie]

And so your "third option" would be...


And for the record, no one wants the internet "under government control" any more than television, or radio is "under government control". However, having the government put into place protections to prevent anyone "taking control" of the internet seems like a pretty good idea.

But TV is under government control. And it is never a good idea to have government control anything.

Really? No. In China television is under government control. In most Middle East countries television is under government control. If television were truly under government control do you honestly believe that the NSA story would ever have seen the light of day? I'm not sure you really understand what "government control" actually means. You should speak to someone who had to grow up under a totalitarian regime sometime, and you might have a some idea of what "government controlled" media actually looks like.

If anything television is under corporate control. Although, fortunately, even that is not universal - yet.

TV is under government control, it's called the FCC. You cannot just open up a TV station and begin broadcasting, you cannot put anything you want to on your station. Television is regulated out the wazoo. Try showing midget nude mud wrestling on channel two at 6 pm and see if it isn't regulated.

Regulation is not the same as control, and you know it.

no shit

 

[PredFan]

There is probably a third option that isn't even being considered. I don't think that allowing huge companies like Comcast to dictate and parcel out the Internet leads to anything like freedom, and I'm absolutely sure that if the Internet comes under government control, it will definitely not be free.

And so your "third option" would be...


And for the record, no one wants the internet "under government control" any more than television, or radio is "under government control". However, having the government put into place protections to prevent anyone "taking control" of the internet seems like a pretty good idea.

But TV is under government control. And it is never a good idea to have government control anything.

Really? No. In China television is under government control. In most Middle East countries television is under government control. If television were truly under government control do you honestly believe that the NSA story would ever have seen the light of day? I'm not sure you really understand what "government control" actually means. You should speak to someone who had to grow up under a totalitarian regime sometime, and you might have a some idea of what "government controlled" media actually looks like.

If anything television is under corporate control. Although, fortunately, even that is not universal - yet.

TV is under government control, it's called the FCC. You cannot just open up a TV station and begin broadcasting, you cannot put anything you want to on your station. Television is regulated out the wazoo. Try showing midget nude mud wrestling on channel two at 6 pm and see if it isn't regulated.

Regulation is not the same as control, and you know it. Come back when you have something more substantial than , "I have to follow rules, so my government is a dictatorship!!!"

Regulation isn't control? What are you smoking? At any rate regulation certainly isn't freedom now is it?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

But TV is under government control. And it is never a good idea to have government control anything.

Really? No. In China television is under government control. In most Middle East countries television is under government control. If television were truly under government control do you honestly believe that the NSA story would ever have seen the light of day? I'm not sure you really understand what "government control" actually means. You should speak to someone who had to grow up under a totalitarian regime sometime, and you might have a some idea of what "government controlled" media actually looks like.

If anything television is under corporate control. Although, fortunately, even that is not universal - yet.

Not with people like Edward Snowden working for the NSA Some Americans are patriots even if they work for the government.

You really are that stupid, aren't you? If television, in the United states, were "under government control" what makes you think that you would ever have even heard of Edward Snowden? Control means just that - control. That means the government decides what you see, what you hear, what you read. The government decides what is for "public consumption". The very fact that you even know who Edward Snowden is is proof that the government does. not. control. our. media.

Dude obama has people on his staff that are related to those who control the flow of information from every major news outlet but fox, and I'm sure if I dug hard enough A fox executive will have a relative on obamas staff. So yes obama controls the mainstream media.

Sure...and the moon landing was a hoax...the Twin Towers were brought down by Bush...and there really was someone on the grassy knoll...

Lemme know when we have decided to stroll back from Tinfoil Hatland.

Obama Official Married to NBC News Senior Political Editor

 

[Uncensored2008]

Okay. What, precisely, do you think net neutrality is, and what is at the heart of the question of net neutrality?

Between 2010 and 2014, Time Warner put in $500 BILLION in fiber infrastructure.

No doubt you believe they did this because you have a need to git on the torrents and download the latest Hunger Games movie? But they really did it because they are planning to use this backbone for content delivery.

Now think about this, they put in half a trillion, you put in not one fucking cent, but you say THEY are greedy because they want to charge a toll for you to use the infrastructure they built?

IF you looters succeed, if you can force a "to each according to his need" approach to the Internet with the your net piracy (well, it sure the fuck ain't neutrality!) bill, do you think other backbone providers will build an ever larger pipe? Knowing that you will simply swoop in and take what you want without paying? You can take what you want because you can get corrupt politicians to pass immoral laws that let you take by force what you did not build and refuse to pay for?

What is net neutrality? The credo and code of looters.

 

[Stephanie]

Regulation is

and Obama want's his grubby commie hands on our FREEDOMS OF SPEECH and he also sees, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for him and his tyrants in Governement

 

[ricechickie]

Regulation isn't control? What are you smoking? At any rate regulation certainly isn't freedom now is it?

This is the misinformation of our recent age.

Regulation is a set of rules, a framework within which you can act.

Sorry, you can't hunt your neighbor's dog, feed it to your kid, and build your tent city on airport property. You can't cook the dog meat on your car's engine and sell it to strangers, and call yourself a street vendor. You can't stand on the public street and scream at the top of your lungs at 3 in the morning, and you can't walk into the White House and complain personally to the President.

You are REGULATED.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yep. That's why he's made himself a dictator.

And why no one may criticize him upon pain of death.

Yep.

Ridiculous.

Criticizing Obama won't get you killed, it will just get you audited.

 

[rightwinger]

Can Cruz be a bigger asshole?

Like healthcare, he wants the Internet reserved for those who can afford it

It scares me that you are allowed to vote in elections.

Cruz would just as soon auction off the Internet to the highest bidder. Same as he wants for healthcare

 

[ricechickie]

Regulation is

and Obama want's his grubby commie hands on our FREEDOMS OF SPEECH and he also sees, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for him and his tyrants in Governement

Anarchist, eh?