Neo-nazis and black gangs

[dilloduck]

TOLEDO, Ohio (CNN) -- A neo-Nazi group's scheduled march against "black crime" in Toledo, Ohio, sparked rioting Saturday afternoon.

Police and SWAT teams moved in, and about two dozen rioters were arrested, Toledo Police Chief Michael Navarre said. He said he expected 30 to 40 arrests by the end of the day.

Toledo Mayor Jack Ford declared a state of emergency and asked for 50 highway patrol officers to reinforce Toledo police. A curfew came into effect at 8 p.m. for people "roaming around the streets," he said.(Watch neo-Nazi protests turn violent)

He also blamed gang members for the violence, saying it turned into "exactly what they wanted," referring to the Nazi group. Ford said he had appealed to the community Friday night to ignore the Nazi march.

It's not clear why the National Socialist Movement chose north Toledo for its march, said Ford, himself African-American. "It is not a neighborhood where you have a lot of friction in the first place," he said.

The NSM promotes itself as America's Nazi Party and said that it was protesting black gangs, which it claimed were harassing white residents. The group said it had received support from Toledo's white citizens and community activists.

A spokesman for the group, Bill White, blamed the riot on Toledo police, saying the police intentionally changed the group's march route to make it collide with a counter-demonstration.

About 20 members from both the International Socialists Organization and One People's Project showed up, and some handed eggs to African-American residents to throw at the Nazi marchers, White said
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/15/nazi.march/index.html

 

[KarlMarx]

Don't expect to hear anything from the Left denouncing this, you won't

At the risk of sounding like William Joyce, it seems obvious to me and to any casual observer that the color of one's skin grants license to riot, raise mayhem and just about anything else. I'm reminded of the aftermath of the Rodney King incident and the riots back in 1992.

Of course, without a doubt, "racism" will be brought up as an issue and the perpetrators and participants of this repugnant affair will be granted automatic victimhood. I can't wait to hear what Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and all the other cockroaches will have to say about this.

As much as I can't stand to listen to them and I believe the neo-Nazis as one step above an amoeba in the intellect department, they DO have the right to peaceably assemble and express their political views. The black gangs should learn a lesson.

 

[Trigg]

Don't expect to hear anything from the Left denouncing this, you won't

At the risk of sounding like William Joyce, it seems obvious to me and to any casual observer that the color of one's skin grants license to riot, raise mayhem and just about anything else. I'm reminded of the aftermath of the Rodney King incident and the riots back in 1992.

Of course, without a doubt, "racism" will be brought up as an issue and the perpetrators and participants of this repugnant affair will be granted automatic victimhood. I can't wait to hear what Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and all the other cockroaches will have to say about this.

As much as I can't stand to listen to them and I believe the neo-Nazis as one step above an amoeba in the intellect department, they DO have the right to peaceably assemble and express their political views. The black gangs should learn a lesson.

I completely agree with you here. There were something like 15 marchers, they should have done what the Mayor said and just ignored them, it's the attention they wanted.

Most people don't take them seriously, but by rioting it's the blacks that end up looking bad.

 

[William Joyce]

Meanwhile, it's perfectly OK for racist blacks to gather in D.C. and denounce white America as "out to kill them":

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sweet16.html

And note that not only was there no rampaging riot of whites through the streets of Washington in "protest," whites didn't even have anything to say about the matter, except probably to complain to their significant other over coffee at the breakfast table.

 

[dilloduck]

I completely agree with you here. There were something like 15 marchers, they should have done what the Mayor said and just ignored them, it's the attention they wanted.

Most people don't take them seriously, but by rioting it's the blacks that end up looking bad.

It's more than just looking bad---they ARE bad. It's bullshit they can get away with deny anyones' legal right to assemble and protest. TIme for the ACLU to defend the neo-nazis.

 

[musicman]

Kind of ironic, isn't it - black gangs proving the neo-Nazis' point for them ?

 

[Avatar4321]

I am more worried about implications for our free society in this demonstration

Neo-Nazis have no right to march

When the people start demanding that government prohibit people from marching and speaking freely, regardless how hateful their politics is, we have some serious problems with our Republic. I mean if we prohibit this hate speech how long before the ruling party whether conservatives or liberals begins claiming the other party is promoting hate and they should be prohibited from marching?

There are much more creative and non-violent ways to drowning out the message of hate these guys bring. One suggestion i heard was to have the neo-nazis message drowned out by boomboxes from the people. I know Salt Lake has alot of religious protestors and more recent methods of drowning the opposing messages is to get a choir together and start singing hymns. I also know of groups of young men who had the habit of whittling pieces of wood and whenever someone started promoting hate in their town they would get a group of them together and just start whittling with some huge knives. They wouldn't do anything violent but just the intimidation factor would be enough to get the others to go away.

Government interference, violence, and vandalism is totally unnecessary in these situations. How exactly is the community benefited if the hatemongers stir the people up to destroy their own neighborhoods? Sadly, I think the reaction of the people in this town played right into the nazis. I dont believe for a second that they wouldnt have every attention to destroy our freedom if given a chance. They are just using free speech to protect themselves while they are in a minority.

This whole situation has me pretty worried about the future of our republic.

 

[KarlMarx]

I am more worried about implications for our free society in this demonstration

Neo-Nazis have no right to march

When the people start demanding that government prohibit people from marching and speaking freely, regardless how hateful their politics is, we have some serious problems with our Republic. I mean if we prohibit this hate speech how long before the ruling party whether conservatives or liberals begins claiming the other party is promoting hate and they should be prohibited from marching?

There are much more creative and non-violent ways to drowning out the message of hate these guys bring. One suggestion i heard was to have the neo-nazis message drowned out by boomboxes from the people. I know Salt Lake has alot of religious protestors and more recent methods of drowning the opposing messages is to get a choir together and start singing hymns. I also know of groups of young men who had the habit of whittling pieces of wood and whenever someone started promoting hate in their town they would get a group of them together and just start whittling with some huge knives. They wouldn't do anything violent but just the intimidation factor would be enough to get the others to go away.

Government interference, violence, and vandalism is totally unnecessary in these situations. How exactly is the community benefited if the hatemongers stir the people up to destroy their own neighborhoods? Sadly, I think the reaction of the people in this town played right into the nazis. I dont believe for a second that they wouldnt have every attention to destroy our freedom if given a chance. They are just using free speech to protect themselves while they are in a minority.

This whole situation has me pretty worried about the future of our republic.

Absolutely.... and this whole idea of "hate speech" being anything that you don't agree with has already been used by those on the Left to shut down criticism...

It may only be a matter of time before the next Julius Caesar crosses the Rubicon

 

[The ClayTaurus]

Don't feel bad for the nazi's, this was exactly what they wanted to do. Their assembly was nothing more than bait that was bit. But they aren't victims, they're just playing the role to prove their point.

 

[no1tovote4]

Don't feel bad for the nazi's, this was exactly what they wanted to do. Their assembly was nothing more than bait that was bit. But they aren't victims, they're just playing the role to prove their point.

They did this here when Denver had its first Marade (a combo of march and parade) on MLK day. They filed and got permission to hold a protest on the steps of the capital where they had microphones etc they used to bait the people in the Marade. In our case the result wasn't what they wanted, those in the Marade never attacked them...

 

[The ClayTaurus]

You had people who understood MLK then. MLK would have never attacked a neo-nazi.. or anyone else for that matter. He was a pacifist.

 

[Johnney]

Kind of ironic, isn't it - black gangs proving the neo-Nazis' point for them ?

i guess they are a little smarter than we thought. but why not go to chicago or NY or some place like that.

 

[The ClayTaurus]

i guess they are a little smarter than we thought. but why not go to chicago or NY or some place like that.

Because they wouldn't have gotten the reaction. Toledo is more apt for these kinds of situation where the show of force isn't as well thought-out. New York or Chicago it would have been a peaceful response, too big a spotlight. The violence would have never happened or been subdued before it had a chance to get out of control.

That and there are probably people in the bigger cities who know how to work the angles to prevent the klan from speaking.

 

[Nuc]

I'm not a big advocate of "cruel and unusual" punishment, but..........

It's tempting to think about the Nazis and the Blacks getting arrested and thrown into the same holding tank and see what happens. :finger: :funnyface :duh3:

 

[The ClayTaurus]

I'm not a big advocate of "cruel and unusual" punishment, but..........

It's tempting to think about the Nazis and the Blacks getting arrested and thrown into the same holding tank and see what happens. :finger: :funnyface :duh3:

Tea and crumpets?

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Tea and crumpets?

can we all sing "cumbaya"?

The blacks who attacked might be stupid, but those Nazi's are some sick bastards.

 

[The ClayTaurus]

can we all sing "cumbaya"?

The blacks who attacked might be stupid, but those Nazi's are some sick bastards.

MLK would be ashamed, the Nazi's plan the whole time was to incite exactly what they did so that members of the media could say "look at how irresponsible those black people are." It's a passive-agressive means to advancing their agenda through proxy.

And the blacks got suckered right into it perfectly. It's disgusting all around.

 

[007]

MLK would be ashamed, the Nazi's plan the whole time was to incite exactly what they did so that members of the media could say "look at how irresponsible those black people are." It's a passive-agressive means to advancing their agenda through proxy.

And the blacks got suckered right into it perfectly. It's disgusting all around.

The blacks got "suckered into it"?

Where do you think the Nazi's got the idea that the blacks would riot in the first place? They got the idea from the track record of blacks. They're violent by nature, and require little to no reason at all to get violent. That was no doubt what the Nazi's were trying to showcase. How violent blacks are. But no one ever seems to pick up on that. Sad.

 

[Annie]

The blacks got "suckered into it"?

Where do you think the Nazi's got the idea that the blacks would riot in the first place? They got the idea from the track record of blacks. They're violent by nature, and require little to no reason at all to get violent. That was no doubt what the Nazi's were trying to showcase. How violent blacks are. But no one ever seems to pick up on that. Sad.

Ok, and the Nazis are not? Or perhaps the arguement is that the Nazis are smarter?

BTW, I think the rioters and the Nazis are beyond the definition of stupid. Hateful and anti-establishment come to mind.

 

[Hobbit]

I blame the panzies that let blacks get away with violence in the first place. Once upon a time, blacks had to protest just to get the basic rights afforded whites. When they got these rights, many blacks considered the war mostly won and settled down, using their newfound freedoms and many equalizing programs to get a education, a good job, and a nice place to live. However, many blacks kept protesting. The first group realized that everything they were entitled to was given and that they'd have to work for anything else they wanted. The latter group didn't want to work for anything. Protesting had worked in the past, so they just kept protesting, and the politicians let them get away with it because they were just that afraid of being called a racist. Now, blacks can get away with anything and they know it. If somebody tries to stop you, call them a racist. However, the government can't afford to breast feed millions of people for their entire lives, so they're stuck in slums and can't understand why, so they protest and whine some more, and riot when anything they don't like happens simply because they can get away with it.