NE Patriots cheated their way to a Super Bowl

[LA RAM FAN]

How many games do you think any suspensions should be?

As long as it takes to rehabilitate the image of the NFL and send out a powerful message to the rest of the league that cheating and lack of cooperation will not be tolerated. I do not have the number of games or what importance the game he should be prohibited from playing. He lied in the AFC championship.

I personally am satisfied that he was found out to be the cheating liar that he is. His smug and cavalier attitude toward the league and the rules he agreed to abide by is disturbing to say the least. The culture of cheating and lying that is woven into the fabric of the Flatriots needs to be extinguished.

What about San Diego? What about Minnesota? What about Atlanta? what about Cleveland? What about Seattle? All these teams were fined for cheating, sounds like a culture to me.

Is Jerry Rice's reputation diminished? What about Romanoski and his reputation? George Brett? Phil Niekro? Lyle Alzado? Joe Montana?

You are really concerned about integrity, just wondering where you fall on these issues.

I do not know what occurred on the teams and players you mentioned. If they are current players and those issues are outstanding they need to be addressed. Were each of those players and teams investigated? Were rules broken? Did those players lied and refuse to reasonable cooperate with the investigators?

Interesting that you know nothing about any scandal except for deflategate. That could be the issue as to why it is a big deal.

No the game has gone under so many changes and the past ten or so years have brought forth a more commercial product. This is a big deal because a marquee player has made a fool out of the league, the organization, the brand and this spells dollars. He gained the trust of so many with lies and deception. He cannot stand next to the "greats" such as Montana or Bradshaw.

You are making wayyyyyy too much sense for pooper to comprehend here.

That is what i have said a million times here.something new I havent said about that though is that Brady wanted to have a fourth ring so badly and so badly wanted to be mentioned in the same breath as Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw as the only quarterbacks to win four superbowls that he went to the lengths to lie and cheat his way to achieve that and because of that,nobody outside of Boston holds him in the same breath as them though. When his OWN IDOL joe montana has even came out and called him a cheater,was it REALLY worth it Tom to sell your soul down the drain to achieve that greatness?

If I was a public figure like brady,I would be embarrassed as hell to show my face in public again knowing your OWN IDOL called you out for the fraud you are.



If Pete Rose is banned from the baseball hall of fame,a punishment that the majority of americans think is not justified,how is it that favorites wont be being played here if they allow these two cheaters and liars into canton when everyone outside of boston or is not a patriots fan,can see them for the frauds and cheaters they are?

It will then become the hall of SHAME. that kind of logic though doesnt sink in with people like pooper,zander and other brady/belicheat worshippers though.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I doubt you will have any say over the great ones or not. In ten years this will be laughed at and Brady will be talked as a great one along with Montana, Marino, Elway and Manning. Bradshaw was an average QB on very good teams.

No NFL player whose career hadn't crested prior to the 1994 CBA should even be considered for the HOF, nevermind being considered among the greatest of all time. Playing in an era where greatness is considered contrary to the ideals of the league means you cannot be great.... by definition.

amen to that.the NFL just like major league baseball,needs to be reformed.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

What about San Diego? What about Minnesota? What about Atlanta? what about Cleveland? What about Seattle? All these teams were fined for cheating, sounds like a culture to me.

Is Jerry Rice's reputation diminished? What about Romanoski and his reputation? George Brett? Phil Niekro? Lyle Alzado? Joe Montana?

You are really concerned about integrity, just wondering where you fall on these issues.

I do not know what occurred on the teams and players you mentioned. If they are current players and those issues are outstanding they need to be addressed. Were each of those players and teams investigated? Were rules broken? Did those players lied and refuse to reasonable cooperate with the investigators?

Interesting that you know nothing about any scandal except for deflategate. That could be the issue as to why it is a big deal.

No the game has gone under so many changes and the past ten or so years have brought forth a more commercial product. This is a big deal because a marquee player has made a fool out of the league, the organization, the brand and this spells dollars. He gained the trust of so many with lies and deception. He cannot stand next to the "greats" such as Montana or Bradshaw.

Lol! Stickum was ruled out since the 80's and San Diego had it on a towel, they refused to give the towel over to the league, that was 2012, nothing hardly made print. $20,000 fine.

December 2014, Minnesota and Carolina in a very cold game in Minnesota were told the day before and before the game not to heat up their footballs. The Vikings heated up the football during the game and was caught by league officials. Nothing happened. So spare the integrity and all the other BS.

George Brett pine tarred his bat. His reputation and legacy will stand. Jerry Rice used stickum after is was banned by the league, does it tarnish his accomplishments? joe Montana had to know Rice used stickum, does it tarnish his accomplishments?

I doubt you will have any say over the great ones or not. In ten years this will be laughed at and Brady will be talked as a great one along with Montana, Marino, Elway and Manning. Bradshaw was an average QB on very good teams.

I will have say as I do now, my say comes in the form of withholding dollars, lack of attendance at games and not being part of the viewership during broadcasts. I will remember how Brady came to be known and a liar and cheat so will you. People still talk about "Charlie Hustle" and the Chicago Black Sox of 1919.

Pooper if he would get off the crack he smokes everyday,would understand it that Brady is now going to be remembered even WORSE than Pete Rose is.

as i said,the majority of americans think the banning of Rose is unjustified rightfully so because baseball is judging him for what he did OFF THE FIELD.

where in this case,you got many former NFL greats saying they are not legitimate winners for what they did ON THE FIELD because they had to cheat ON THE FIELD to get to their last superbowl.

people outside of boston,not just here in america,but around the world, are never going to think of them as a great football team in the same breath as the 49ers and steelers because of the fact they had to cheat on the field to win games.they are always going to wonder just how many other games in all the previous years they had to cheat to win their division titles they did.


pooper and the other belicheat/brady worshippers,cant escape FACTS that just like you said,this is going to be greatest scandal in sports history that will rival the black sox scandal.

I love how in EVERY ONE OF THESE discussions,pooper evades these facts and changes the topic.many people here have noticed that.I assume you have as well? he changes the subject when he is cornered. and can only do this.

and shit all over the floor as well.

 

[Anathema]

amen to that.the NFL just like major league baseball,needs to be reformed.

MLB's fixes are largely on the field. The NFL's are largely off the field.

 

[Alex.]

I will have say as I do now, my say comes in the form of withholding dollars, lack of attendance at games and not being part of the viewership during broadcasts. I will remember how Brady came to be known and a liar and cheat so will you. People still talk about "Charlie Hustle" and the Chicago Black Sox of 1919.

Lol! This doesn't even come close to gambling. Are you for real? This is close to pine tar on a bat or stickum on a towel or heating up footballs.

As far as money and popularity and ratings, the NFL is bigger than ever.

Should the Vikings been suspended, fined for an even more advantage of heating up the footballs in below freezing conditions?

As far as me thinking Brady as a cheat, no more so than Rice, Brett or Montana.

You are missing the point what Brady did effects the outcome of the game to the pint of cheating even Vegas is afraid to take the Pats because of what Brady did. You under play the importance of what his cheating and his lying did.

"THE PATRIOTS' AFC title game shenanigans are also taking some air out of sports wagering.

Vegas Vic reports that a number of sportsbooks in his town, as well as many international websites, are no longer taking wagers on New England's Week 1 opener against visiting Pittsburgh.

"The game has been taken off the board at a number of sportsbooks here in Vegas, because the line swing would be dramatic," said Vic, the Daily News' gambling authority. "With Brady, we're looking at the Pats minus 6. If Brady was to be suspended, it would probably be Jimmy Garoppolo quarterbacking the Patriots, and the line would drop to minus 1 or maybe even a pick 'em."


Deflategate shaking things up in Las Vegas

They aren't taking bets because if Brady doesn't play, it changes the odds immensely. And who cares if it hurts gambling. It has nothing to do with whether anyone is deflating footballs. Vegas wants to make money, not lose money so they are going to do what they do to make money.

You don't think what Minnesota did effects the game? Try catching a frozen football as opposed to a 70 degree football and tell me it doesn't effect the game.

You don't think stickum effects the game? You are kidding right? You even know what stickum is? It gives a tremendous advantage for catching a ball. A lot more than a pound of air pressure.

The NFL has a rule for inflating or deflating footballs over or under the league allowance. The penalty for breaking that rule is $25,000. That is how little the NFL thinks it influences a game only $25,000 in a game of billions.

You are deliberately omitting some important pieces to this situation: Brady lied.

Wait a second did you write your post or did Tom Brady.

I already said Brady needs suspended for lying, it is worse than the initial crime. What I find funny is San Diego lied and would not turn over the towels with the stickum on them and that isn't important to you, you fail to address what Minnesota did in December of the same season you are ripping another team for.

You are purposely ignoring other situations, similar or not and claiming I'm a Brady supporter for wanting to be fair. You hate Brady and the Patriots, I get it. Hate him all you want. I hate the Patriots but you assholes are absolutely off the hook.

This is a $25,000 fine and his lying is worth a suspension. But it isn't not even close to Pete Rose, it is more like George Brett.

Nah you got Bradyitis in your brain. This is what happened with the Chargers"The NFL found no competitive violation with the use of the towel and the Chargers were not fined for using the towel. The League has directed all clubs to not use the towel pending further notice. We are appealing the fine for failing to cooperate with a game official’s directive. Our staff member was unaware that the game official was trying to get his attention and he cooperated fully once he became aware."

"Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the fine was later overturned on appeal.

So the Chargers ultimately paid nothing. And they ultimately were found to be not guilty of any violation of the rules, since the fine came not from the use of the towel but from the failure to produce the towel quickly enough once suspicion arose."

Chargers ultimately prevailed in appeal of towel fine ProFootballTalk

 

[Papageorgio]

Lol! This doesn't even come close to gambling. Are you for real? This is close to pine tar on a bat or stickum on a towel or heating up footballs.

As far as money and popularity and ratings, the NFL is bigger than ever.

Should the Vikings been suspended, fined for an even more advantage of heating up the footballs in below freezing conditions?

As far as me thinking Brady as a cheat, no more so than Rice, Brett or Montana.

You are missing the point what Brady did effects the outcome of the game to the pint of cheating even Vegas is afraid to take the Pats because of what Brady did. You under play the importance of what his cheating and his lying did.

"THE PATRIOTS' AFC title game shenanigans are also taking some air out of sports wagering.

Vegas Vic reports that a number of sportsbooks in his town, as well as many international websites, are no longer taking wagers on New England's Week 1 opener against visiting Pittsburgh.

"The game has been taken off the board at a number of sportsbooks here in Vegas, because the line swing would be dramatic," said Vic, the Daily News' gambling authority. "With Brady, we're looking at the Pats minus 6. If Brady was to be suspended, it would probably be Jimmy Garoppolo quarterbacking the Patriots, and the line would drop to minus 1 or maybe even a pick 'em."


Deflategate shaking things up in Las Vegas

They aren't taking bets because if Brady doesn't play, it changes the odds immensely. And who cares if it hurts gambling. It has nothing to do with whether anyone is deflating footballs. Vegas wants to make money, not lose money so they are going to do what they do to make money.

You don't think what Minnesota did effects the game? Try catching a frozen football as opposed to a 70 degree football and tell me it doesn't effect the game.

You don't think stickum effects the game? You are kidding right? You even know what stickum is? It gives a tremendous advantage for catching a ball. A lot more than a pound of air pressure.

The NFL has a rule for inflating or deflating footballs over or under the league allowance. The penalty for breaking that rule is $25,000. That is how little the NFL thinks it influences a game only $25,000 in a game of billions.

You are deliberately omitting some important pieces to this situation: Brady lied.

Wait a second did you write your post or did Tom Brady.

I already said Brady needs suspended for lying, it is worse than the initial crime. What I find funny is San Diego lied and would not turn over the towels with the stickum on them and that isn't important to you, you fail to address what Minnesota did in December of the same season you are ripping another team for.

You are purposely ignoring other situations, similar or not and claiming I'm a Brady supporter for wanting to be fair. You hate Brady and the Patriots, I get it. Hate him all you want. I hate the Patriots but you assholes are absolutely off the hook.

This is a $25,000 fine and his lying is worth a suspension. But it isn't not even close to Pete Rose, it is more like George Brett.

Nah you got Bradyitis in your brain. This is what happened with the Chargers"The NFL found no competitive violation with the use of the towel and the Chargers were not fined for using the towel. The League has directed all clubs to not use the towel pending further notice. We are appealing the fine for failing to cooperate with a game official’s directive. Our staff member was unaware that the game official was trying to get his attention and he cooperated fully once he became aware."

"Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the fine was later overturned on appeal.

So the Chargers ultimately paid nothing. And they ultimately were found to be not guilty of any violation of the rules, since the fine came not from the use of the towel but from the failure to produce the towel quickly enough once suspicion arose."

Chargers ultimately prevailed in appeal of towel fine ProFootballTalk

They paid for not giving up the towel.
Chargers fined 20K for towel incident Fox News

 

[Papageorgio]

You are missing the point what Brady did effects the outcome of the game to the pint of cheating even Vegas is afraid to take the Pats because of what Brady did. You under play the importance of what his cheating and his lying did.

"THE PATRIOTS' AFC title game shenanigans are also taking some air out of sports wagering.

Vegas Vic reports that a number of sportsbooks in his town, as well as many international websites, are no longer taking wagers on New England's Week 1 opener against visiting Pittsburgh.

"The game has been taken off the board at a number of sportsbooks here in Vegas, because the line swing would be dramatic," said Vic, the Daily News' gambling authority. "With Brady, we're looking at the Pats minus 6. If Brady was to be suspended, it would probably be Jimmy Garoppolo quarterbacking the Patriots, and the line would drop to minus 1 or maybe even a pick 'em."


Deflategate shaking things up in Las Vegas

They aren't taking bets because if Brady doesn't play, it changes the odds immensely. And who cares if it hurts gambling. It has nothing to do with whether anyone is deflating footballs. Vegas wants to make money, not lose money so they are going to do what they do to make money.

You don't think what Minnesota did effects the game? Try catching a frozen football as opposed to a 70 degree football and tell me it doesn't effect the game.

You don't think stickum effects the game? You are kidding right? You even know what stickum is? It gives a tremendous advantage for catching a ball. A lot more than a pound of air pressure.

The NFL has a rule for inflating or deflating footballs over or under the league allowance. The penalty for breaking that rule is $25,000. That is how little the NFL thinks it influences a game only $25,000 in a game of billions.

You are deliberately omitting some important pieces to this situation: Brady lied.

Wait a second did you write your post or did Tom Brady.

I already said Brady needs suspended for lying, it is worse than the initial crime. What I find funny is San Diego lied and would not turn over the towels with the stickum on them and that isn't important to you, you fail to address what Minnesota did in December of the same season you are ripping another team for.

You are purposely ignoring other situations, similar or not and claiming I'm a Brady supporter for wanting to be fair. You hate Brady and the Patriots, I get it. Hate him all you want. I hate the Patriots but you assholes are absolutely off the hook.

This is a $25,000 fine and his lying is worth a suspension. But it isn't not even close to Pete Rose, it is more like George Brett.

Nah you got Bradyitis in your brain. This is what happened with the Chargers"The NFL found no competitive violation with the use of the towel and the Chargers were not fined for using the towel. The League has directed all clubs to not use the towel pending further notice. We are appealing the fine for failing to cooperate with a game official’s directive. Our staff member was unaware that the game official was trying to get his attention and he cooperated fully once he became aware."

"Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the fine was later overturned on appeal.

So the Chargers ultimately paid nothing. And they ultimately were found to be not guilty of any violation of the rules, since the fine came not from the use of the towel but from the failure to produce the towel quickly enough once suspicion arose."

Chargers ultimately prevailed in appeal of towel fine ProFootballTalk

They paid for not giving up the towel.
Chargers fined 20K for towel incident Fox News

Also the you left out Minnesota.

As far as the rest of blather, that's all it is, go hate Brady and leave me out of it.

BTW, who is your favorite football team?

 

[Alex.]

They aren't taking bets because if Brady doesn't play, it changes the odds immensely. And who cares if it hurts gambling. It has nothing to do with whether anyone is deflating footballs. Vegas wants to make money, not lose money so they are going to do what they do to make money.

You don't think what Minnesota did effects the game? Try catching a frozen football as opposed to a 70 degree football and tell me it doesn't effect the game.

You don't think stickum effects the game? You are kidding right? You even know what stickum is? It gives a tremendous advantage for catching a ball. A lot more than a pound of air pressure.

The NFL has a rule for inflating or deflating footballs over or under the league allowance. The penalty for breaking that rule is $25,000. That is how little the NFL thinks it influences a game only $25,000 in a game of billions.

You are deliberately omitting some important pieces to this situation: Brady lied.

Wait a second did you write your post or did Tom Brady.

I already said Brady needs suspended for lying, it is worse than the initial crime. What I find funny is San Diego lied and would not turn over the towels with the stickum on them and that isn't important to you, you fail to address what Minnesota did in December of the same season you are ripping another team for.

You are purposely ignoring other situations, similar or not and claiming I'm a Brady supporter for wanting to be fair. You hate Brady and the Patriots, I get it. Hate him all you want. I hate the Patriots but you assholes are absolutely off the hook.

This is a $25,000 fine and his lying is worth a suspension. But it isn't not even close to Pete Rose, it is more like George Brett.

Nah you got Bradyitis in your brain. This is what happened with the Chargers"The NFL found no competitive violation with the use of the towel and the Chargers were not fined for using the towel. The League has directed all clubs to not use the towel pending further notice. We are appealing the fine for failing to cooperate with a game official’s directive. Our staff member was unaware that the game official was trying to get his attention and he cooperated fully once he became aware."

"Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the fine was later overturned on appeal.

So the Chargers ultimately paid nothing. And they ultimately were found to be not guilty of any violation of the rules, since the fine came not from the use of the towel but from the failure to produce the towel quickly enough once suspicion arose."

Chargers ultimately prevailed in appeal of towel fine ProFootballTalk

They paid for not giving up the towel.
Chargers fined 20K for towel incident Fox News

Also the you left out Minnesota.

As far as the rest of blather, that's all it is, go hate Brady and leave me out of it.

BTW, who is your favorite football team?

You wanted to continue with bring unrelated incidences to somehow normalize your hero Brady. There is no justification for his actions there is precedent for a consequence he did break a rule and he lied. Brady hate my eye, he is wrong in many ways.

My team are those who beat him twice in the SB, and when Belicheat was coach they won as well those wins should be investigated

 

[Papageorgio]

You are deliberately omitting some important pieces to this situation: Brady lied.

Wait a second did you write your post or did Tom Brady.

I already said Brady needs suspended for lying, it is worse than the initial crime. What I find funny is San Diego lied and would not turn over the towels with the stickum on them and that isn't important to you, you fail to address what Minnesota did in December of the same season you are ripping another team for.

You are purposely ignoring other situations, similar or not and claiming I'm a Brady supporter for wanting to be fair. You hate Brady and the Patriots, I get it. Hate him all you want. I hate the Patriots but you assholes are absolutely off the hook.

This is a $25,000 fine and his lying is worth a suspension. But it isn't not even close to Pete Rose, it is more like George Brett.

Nah you got Bradyitis in your brain. This is what happened with the Chargers"The NFL found no competitive violation with the use of the towel and the Chargers were not fined for using the towel. The League has directed all clubs to not use the towel pending further notice. We are appealing the fine for failing to cooperate with a game official’s directive. Our staff member was unaware that the game official was trying to get his attention and he cooperated fully once he became aware."

"Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the fine was later overturned on appeal.

So the Chargers ultimately paid nothing. And they ultimately were found to be not guilty of any violation of the rules, since the fine came not from the use of the towel but from the failure to produce the towel quickly enough once suspicion arose."

Chargers ultimately prevailed in appeal of towel fine ProFootballTalk

They paid for not giving up the towel.
Chargers fined 20K for towel incident Fox News

Also the you left out Minnesota.

As far as the rest of blather, that's all it is, go hate Brady and leave me out of it.

BTW, who is your favorite football team?

You wanted to continue with bring unrelated incidences to somehow normalize your hero Brady. There is no justification for his actions there is precedent for a consequence he did break a rule and he lied. Brady hate my eye, he is wrong in many ways.

My team are those who beat him twice in the SB, and when Belicheat was coach they won as well those wins should be investigated

I rooted for the Giants both times. I was especially happy with the win over the undefeated team Pats. My cousin was ticked off but it was extremely happy.

I still disagree and it doesn't matter the QB, the lying was the worst part, the act was $25,000. I expect the league to suspend Brady 4-16 games. Fair would be 1-3.

This doesn't rise to Rose, steroids, and PEDs. This is pine tar, heating footballs and getting caught with stickum. Which are fines. The lying I have an issue.

You don't seem to know what the punishment should be, so I have no idea why you keep going after me.

Of course anyone that listens to 911nutter, I don't expect a rational conversation.

 

[Alex.]

I already said Brady needs suspended for lying, it is worse than the initial crime. What I find funny is San Diego lied and would not turn over the towels with the stickum on them and that isn't important to you, you fail to address what Minnesota did in December of the same season you are ripping another team for.

You are purposely ignoring other situations, similar or not and claiming I'm a Brady supporter for wanting to be fair. You hate Brady and the Patriots, I get it. Hate him all you want. I hate the Patriots but you assholes are absolutely off the hook.

This is a $25,000 fine and his lying is worth a suspension. But it isn't not even close to Pete Rose, it is more like George Brett.

Nah you got Bradyitis in your brain. This is what happened with the Chargers"The NFL found no competitive violation with the use of the towel and the Chargers were not fined for using the towel. The League has directed all clubs to not use the towel pending further notice. We are appealing the fine for failing to cooperate with a game official’s directive. Our staff member was unaware that the game official was trying to get his attention and he cooperated fully once he became aware."

"Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the fine was later overturned on appeal.

So the Chargers ultimately paid nothing. And they ultimately were found to be not guilty of any violation of the rules, since the fine came not from the use of the towel but from the failure to produce the towel quickly enough once suspicion arose."

Chargers ultimately prevailed in appeal of towel fine ProFootballTalk

They paid for not giving up the towel.
Chargers fined 20K for towel incident Fox News

Also the you left out Minnesota.

As far as the rest of blather, that's all it is, go hate Brady and leave me out of it.

BTW, who is your favorite football team?

You wanted to continue with bring unrelated incidences to somehow normalize your hero Brady. There is no justification for his actions there is precedent for a consequence he did break a rule and he lied. Brady hate my eye, he is wrong in many ways.

My team are those who beat him twice in the SB, and when Belicheat was coach they won as well those wins should be investigated

I rooted for the Giants both times. I was especially happy with the win over the undefeated team Pats. My cousin was ticked off but it was extremely happy.

I still disagree and it doesn't matter the QB, the lying was the worst part, the act was $25,000. I expect the league to suspend Brady 4-16 games. Fair would be 1-3.

This doesn't rise to Rose, steroids, and PEDs. This is pine tar, heating footballs and getting caught with stickum. Which are fines. The lying I have an issue.

You don't seem to know what the punishment should be, so I have no idea why you keep going after me.

Of course anyone that listens to 911nutter, I don't expect a rational conversation.

I told you what the punishment should be . I am not the commissioner so I do not know what other interests he needs to serve with his decision. There is more than what we are seeing. I am happy he is outed as a cheater and a liar.The game was a playoff game and he lied so he could play in the SB the implication is unprecedented.

I am not going after you I am discussing feel free to leave the discussion anytime you wish.

 

[Papageorgio]

Nah you got Bradyitis in your brain. This is what happened with the Chargers"The NFL found no competitive violation with the use of the towel and the Chargers were not fined for using the towel. The League has directed all clubs to not use the towel pending further notice. We are appealing the fine for failing to cooperate with a game official’s directive. Our staff member was unaware that the game official was trying to get his attention and he cooperated fully once he became aware."

"Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the fine was later overturned on appeal.

So the Chargers ultimately paid nothing. And they ultimately were found to be not guilty of any violation of the rules, since the fine came not from the use of the towel but from the failure to produce the towel quickly enough once suspicion arose."

Chargers ultimately prevailed in appeal of towel fine ProFootballTalk

They paid for not giving up the towel.
Chargers fined 20K for towel incident Fox News

Also the you left out Minnesota.

As far as the rest of blather, that's all it is, go hate Brady and leave me out of it.

BTW, who is your favorite football team?

You wanted to continue with bring unrelated incidences to somehow normalize your hero Brady. There is no justification for his actions there is precedent for a consequence he did break a rule and he lied. Brady hate my eye, he is wrong in many ways.

My team are those who beat him twice in the SB, and when Belicheat was coach they won as well those wins should be investigated

I rooted for the Giants both times. I was especially happy with the win over the undefeated team Pats. My cousin was ticked off but it was extremely happy.

I still disagree and it doesn't matter the QB, the lying was the worst part, the act was $25,000. I expect the league to suspend Brady 4-16 games. Fair would be 1-3.

This doesn't rise to Rose, steroids, and PEDs. This is pine tar, heating footballs and getting caught with stickum. Which are fines. The lying I have an issue.

You don't seem to know what the punishment should be, so I have no idea why you keep going after me.

Of course anyone that listens to 911nutter, I don't expect a rational conversation.

I told you what the punishment should be . I am not the commissioner so I do not know what other interests he needs to serve with his decision. There is more than what we are seeing. I am happy he is outed as a cheater and a liar.The game was a playoff game and he lied so he could play in the SB the implication is unprecedented.

I am not going after you I am discussing feel free to leave the discussion anytime you wish.

Yes, your punishment was vague. You aren't discussing anything, you keep accusing me of siding on one side, I'm not. I like the Commissioner am looking at other types of violations and see where it fall. There are only two teams I hate worse than New England. Dallas and Seattle and I would take the same approach with them as I have with New England. It's a rule violation, the lying made it worse, it doesn't rise to the same level as PEDs or gambling on the sport.

 

[Alex.]

They paid for not giving up the towel.
Chargers fined 20K for towel incident Fox News

Also the you left out Minnesota.

As far as the rest of blather, that's all it is, go hate Brady and leave me out of it.

BTW, who is your favorite football team?

You wanted to continue with bring unrelated incidences to somehow normalize your hero Brady. There is no justification for his actions there is precedent for a consequence he did break a rule and he lied. Brady hate my eye, he is wrong in many ways.

My team are those who beat him twice in the SB, and when Belicheat was coach they won as well those wins should be investigated

I rooted for the Giants both times. I was especially happy with the win over the undefeated team Pats. My cousin was ticked off but it was extremely happy.

I still disagree and it doesn't matter the QB, the lying was the worst part, the act was $25,000. I expect the league to suspend Brady 4-16 games. Fair would be 1-3.

This doesn't rise to Rose, steroids, and PEDs. This is pine tar, heating footballs and getting caught with stickum. Which are fines. The lying I have an issue.

You don't seem to know what the punishment should be, so I have no idea why you keep going after me.

Of course anyone that listens to 911nutter, I don't expect a rational conversation.

I told you what the punishment should be . I am not the commissioner so I do not know what other interests he needs to serve with his decision. There is more than what we are seeing. I am happy he is outed as a cheater and a liar.The game was a playoff game and he lied so he could play in the SB the implication is unprecedented.

I am not going after you I am discussing feel free to leave the discussion anytime you wish.

Yes, your punishment was vague. You aren't discussing anything, you keep accusing me of siding on one side, I'm not. I like the Commissioner am looking at other types of violations and see where it fall. There are only two teams I hate worse than New England. Dallas and Seattle and I would take the same approach with them as I have with New England. It's a rule violation, the lying made it worse, it doesn't rise to the same level as PEDs or gambling on the sport.

I am not being vague I am saying there are many variable which I am unaware of such as what the other owners want, what do sponsors want from this and how this all plays out in a a consequence for Brady and possibly the Flats as a whole.. As a fan I am satisfied that Brady as well as the Flatriots were once again shown to be the cheaters and liars they are. I am more concerned with how this whole thing impacts a young person who looks up to Brady the Greatest QB in NFL history now more appropriately Brady "The Liar".

I like football what jersey a player wears is not as important was what he does on and off the field.

This lying and cheating involved a playoff game and SB and an investigation. Brady lied to the entire football world when he had a presser and spoke about Deflategate.

 

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The cheatriots and their apologists stringing this out is indeed cringe worthy now.

 

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Interesting that you know nothing about any scandal except for deflategate. That could be the issue as to why it is a big deal.

No the game has gone under so many changes and the past ten or so years have brought forth a more commercial product. This is a big deal because a marquee player has made a fool out of the league, the organization, the brand and this spells dollars. He gained the trust of so many with lies and deception. He cannot stand next to the "greats" such as Montana or Bradshaw.

^ that

Thank you.

 

[Papageorgio]

Also the you left out Minnesota.

As far as the rest of blather, that's all it is, go hate Brady and leave me out of it.

BTW, who is your favorite football team?

You wanted to continue with bring unrelated incidences to somehow normalize your hero Brady. There is no justification for his actions there is precedent for a consequence he did break a rule and he lied. Brady hate my eye, he is wrong in many ways.

My team are those who beat him twice in the SB, and when Belicheat was coach they won as well those wins should be investigated

I rooted for the Giants both times. I was especially happy with the win over the undefeated team Pats. My cousin was ticked off but it was extremely happy.

I still disagree and it doesn't matter the QB, the lying was the worst part, the act was $25,000. I expect the league to suspend Brady 4-16 games. Fair would be 1-3.

This doesn't rise to Rose, steroids, and PEDs. This is pine tar, heating footballs and getting caught with stickum. Which are fines. The lying I have an issue.

You don't seem to know what the punishment should be, so I have no idea why you keep going after me.

Of course anyone that listens to 911nutter, I don't expect a rational conversation.

I told you what the punishment should be . I am not the commissioner so I do not know what other interests he needs to serve with his decision. There is more than what we are seeing. I am happy he is outed as a cheater and a liar.The game was a playoff game and he lied so he could play in the SB the implication is unprecedented.

I am not going after you I am discussing feel free to leave the discussion anytime you wish.

Yes, your punishment was vague. You aren't discussing anything, you keep accusing me of siding on one side, I'm not. I like the Commissioner am looking at other types of violations and see where it fall. There are only two teams I hate worse than New England. Dallas and Seattle and I would take the same approach with them as I have with New England. It's a rule violation, the lying made it worse, it doesn't rise to the same level as PEDs or gambling on the sport.

I am not being vague I am saying there are many variable which I am unaware of such as what the other owners want, what do sponsors want from this and how this all plays out in a a consequence for Brady and possibly the Flats as a whole.. As a fan I am satisfied that Brady as well as the Flatriots were once again shown to be the cheaters and liars they are. I am more concerned with how this whole thing impacts a young person who looks up to Brady the Greatest QB in NFL history now more appropriately Brady "The Liar".

I like football what jersey a player wears is not as important was what he does on and off the field.

This lying and cheating involved a playoff game and SB and an investigation. Brady lied to the entire football world when he had a presser and spoke about Deflategate.

I agree with most of what you say. I don't hold any of these guys as heroes, I taught my kids that sports figures, like politicians are egomaniacs. You don't look up to them because they are no better than you or I. The cheating issue isn't as big as rape, domestic violence, murder. The players and teams that cheat are disappointing, but I'm more disappointed with the bigger issues.

Thanks for the honest input.

 

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someone farted in here.^

 

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looks like Brady was suspended. It s Official NFL To Suspend Cheating Tom Brady US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Thats not good enough IMO

 

[Papageorgio]

looks like Brady was suspended. It s Official NFL To Suspend Cheating Tom Brady US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Thats not good enough IMO

I can't find the story, how many games?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

someone farted in here^

 

[mack20]

Man, 9/11 sure does do a whole lot of crying in the sports forum.